I just mentioned this on the Bush unveils security aid for Palestinians.

It's been going on for years. So, this week alone, we have China making the largest oil/gas deal with Iran EVER.

Now we have an article on Iran sucking up to Russia.

I believe these are tactics to warn us off. In other words, should we wish to take on Iran...we will have to deal with China and Russia.

No wonder the monkey keeps running his mouth. He's surrounded by big bullies.

Posted by: The Goobs at January 31, 2007 1:59 PM

Of course this might just be a conspiracy theory. -cough-

Posted by: The Goobs at January 31, 2007 2:00 PM

Hopefully the Russians won't be stupid enough to go for this idea. It would be incredibly foolish to tie themselves to such a reckless country in an alliance. But then again, they tied themselves to Eastern European countries that mostly didn't like them either in the Warsaw Pact so perhaps the Russians will be that stupid after all. Anything to stick a thumb in the eye of the US, even if it goes against common sense and national interest.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at January 31, 2007 2:01 PM

Hopefully the Russians won't be stupid enough to go for this idea.....Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS

They ALREADY are. Which is why they are supplying Iran with weaponry that is killing our soldiers.

Which is why they are helping Iran to build nuclear facilities.

Which is why they are heavily invested in Iran....as is China.

China and Russia don't give a ratsazz about the US. It suits them perfectly for the world to hate us and for our troops to be killed in the ME.

They sit back and watch as we crumble....and they don't need to spend much at all to help it along.

Posted by: The Goobs at January 31, 2007 2:07 PM

The Ruskies also want the US, EU and Israel to recognize Hamas as a legitimate entity and stop the blockade of monetary support for them.
The Ruskies have no shame and after all they did for Afghanistan.

Posted by: TheOmegaMan at January 31, 2007 2:09 PM

They ALREADY are. Which is why they are supplying Iran with weaponry that is killing our soldiers.

Posted by: The Goobs at January 31, 2007 02:07 PM

True. However, I would hope the Russians would not want to be tied to Iran with a pact formally obligating them to actually fight against the US with their own military-that would remove the option of the US taking out Tehran's criminal regime by force in the future.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at January 31, 2007 2:14 PM

Where has Khameini been all this time? Iran has been in a de facto alliance with Russia for the better part of two decades. Even Khomeini had warm feelings toward the USSR. Afghanistan was nothing but a minor annoyance to him.
So now he wants a treaty signed and a photo op? Big deal. Nothing has changed.

Posted by: PMK at January 31, 2007 2:18 PM

IslamforLosers said:

But then again, they tied themselves to Eastern European countries that mostly didn't like them either in the Warsaw Pact so perhaps the Russians will be that stupid after all.

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Russians didn't tie themselves to Eastern Europe, they tied Eastern Europe to Russia (against the will of the Eastern European countries).

Your statement is the equivalent of saying that Muslims are tying themselves to Christians and Jews in the Middle East. The conqueror ties others to the conqueror---the conqueror does not tie themself to others.

The Russians have a strong case of the French disease--anything that hurts us is considered good. I think the Russians figure we will ultimately handle the Iranians, but they would like the Iranians to give us trouble. China is taking a similar tact.

Posted by: JSobieski at January 31, 2007 2:23 PM

I believe these are tactics to warn us off. In other words, should we wish to take on Iran...we will have to deal with China and Russia.

No wonder the monkey keeps running his mouth. He's surrounded by big bullies.
Posted by: The Goobs

We should call their bluff. And by the way.. so much for the theory that Khameini is a 'moderate'.

There is no moderation in [their] religion.

Can our "leaders" please face the FCATS?

I say we bomb Iran BEFORE Russia is bound to them by treaty. Oh, and before Hitlery gets in.

Posted by: MeanieMo at January 31, 2007 2:31 PM

Dejavu...German-Soviet Non-aggression Pact

http://www.faits-et-documents.com/bilan_communisme/nonaggression_pact.htm

Remind me again , what happened next ?

Posted by: aladdinsane57 at January 31, 2007 2:34 PM

Re: Iran: Khamenei proposes anti-U.S. alliance to Russia

Putin does not want anything to do with these nuts. He will use them to get a good deal from the US re the reestablishment of some of the spheres of influence Russia lost with the collapse of the Russian Empire. The Russian Empire returned to the borders of 1600 with the collapse of the USSR, and Putin has called that "a geopolitical disaster" for Russia. He's right. If Putin gets a good deal, the Psychotic and Co. with be thrown to the wolves.

Make sure Putin gets a good deal. That's the key to dealing with the crazies in Iran.

Posted by: Frank at January 31, 2007 2:37 PM

Russia will befriend the devil and dig its own grave for the future if it does so.
Islam will use you and talk friendly with you as long as they need you.
Once your neeed is over they will give you two choices 1) convert to islam 2 Die.
This is becasue their ideology and goal is Islamification of world and nothnig else will be allowed to survive if its not islamic.
Russian in its quest to be a superpower gain, hope does not sign its oqn graveyard contract.

Posted by: Indiana_jones at January 31, 2007 2:39 PM

Russians didn't tie themselves to Eastern Europe, they tied Eastern Europe to Russia (against the will of the Eastern European countries).

Posted by: JSobieski at January 31, 2007 02:23 PM

True. The Russians did indeed force Eastern Europe to side with it. What I meant to say is that the Russians felt (rather stupidly) that its allies would help them in a war with the US-it's hard to believe much of the Warsaw Pact would have really helped Moscow considering the lousy treatment they received from the Russians. Iran would make an even less reliable ally (thanks to Islam's duplicitous nature) than Eastern Europe did-the Russians would have to be stupid not to realize that.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at January 31, 2007 2:40 PM

This looks like a move by two former imperial powers to regain former territories, specifically in central Asia, much of which was historically part of the Persian Empire. Russia would get Kazakh, and Iran the rest. Also, an alliance would put pressure on their common traditional enemy, Turkey.
The Turks seem to be painting themselves into a corner. They're facing an alliance of their two worst historic enemies, yet their increasingly militant islamishness is driving away their two possible allies, the EU and the US.
The joker in the deck is Pakistan: it's already a nuclear power, and its poopulation is already larger than either Russia's or Iran's. By 2050 its population will be larger than theirs combined. It might have its own aspirations in central Asia.

Posted by: ebonystone at January 31, 2007 2:45 PM

Everything said about Russia in the postings above is true, but I think the key factor isn't money or regaining influence----Russia wants to take the U.S. down a peg. No question about it. The Iranian situation is just "too good" for them to resist.

If the U.S. became energy independent tomorrow and announced that we were leaving the Middle East to its own devices, Russia would wet its pants over a nuclear enabled Iran.

With a committed U.S. presence in the Middle East, Russia can set all sorts of bad things in motion knowing that Russia will not be the first target, and that the U.S. will need to deal with it. As an added bonus, Russia's energy business will get a boost from the boost in prices that result from any conflict.

Another downside (do we need more bad news?)of this Jihad war we are in is that when we finally get this under control, the Chinese and Russians will have caught up to us in many respects.

Posted by: JSobieski at January 31, 2007 2:51 PM

Do a ground invasion now. Waiting for Iran to arm more and get a pact with Russia or China is stupid, its Bush stupid. Poland's advance warning on the Hitler Stalin pact was zero.

When are you told its no longer 1938 and its already 1939? When you are attacked on pacted.

Ground combat phase deaths in Iraq were 200. In Vietnam and Korea 50,000. The time to fight wars is now, while we have a temporary window of approximately zero deaths.

re Thomas Holsinger on “The Case for Invading Iran”

He who waits in war when they lose 200 killed per invasion ends up on the dustbin of history's empires.

Posted by: Old Atlantic at January 31, 2007 2:58 PM

I agree with the Goobs & others; I think it's a little shortsighted to analyze the Wars in Afghanistan and Iraq WITHOUT acknowledging the underlying tension between American and Russian regional influence. Every hot conflict in the Middle East since (at least) 1967 has had Soviet fingerprints, either directly or through proxies. And since Iraq and Afghanistan have been client states of the USSR at one time or another in the last 40 years, it's almost a given that there is visible and/or indirect Russian influence being projected through its remaining allies.

. . . and the Russians have been known to put their money on every horse in the race.

Posted by: wikistan at January 31, 2007 3:28 PM

I have long perceived the emerging of open alliance between Iran and others; today’s news confirmed it. The more I look at our current war in Iraq, the more perplex it seem to become; it is not as straight forward as the fighting between the terrorists and US, or between the Sunni and Shia; it has become more of a war between the US and a combined Russia and China. Iraq seems to me is a ground for the test of power between the Greater East and West. I believe China and Russia are wielding the suicidal fanatics to their advantage, in their efforts to destroy our international prestige.

As for now, America is successful in all aspects of power to influence; we have both the great military and economic power and prestige. Our economy has grown significantly that the rest of the world are receiving the great windfalls—please review the quarterly GDP’s, and also see the great cut in annual deficits, with the exception to the current war in Iraq—where its fate is still hung on a thin thread; our reputation is on the line.

From the adoption of the UN resolution 1696 (2006), under Chapter VII, one could plainly see that China and Russia who de-fanged the resolution, which rendered it useless, have worked in tandem to weaken the US and European nations as a whole. Though the sanctions are in place, it serves no purpose; in other words, everything goes as usual. Iran will continue its march towards the nuclear development, with the help of North Korea, and with the tacit approval of China and Russia.

In the pass, when we left North Korea unfinished, China and USSR became embolden; they expanded the Marxism into South Vietnam and Afghanistan. When we left South Vietnam, we became infamous for our “Last Helicopter,”-- an ominous reverberation in the Middle East, see Amir Taheri, Wall Street Journal, March 29, 2006. The bad reputation for leaving South Vietnam has also echoed throughout the world—I have overheard a lunch conversation amongst Arabs, Iranians, and the Vietnamese men, in which they besmirched, “How America walked off by sacrificing her ally in South Vietnam with no scruples”—a rapturous conversation for those who sympathize with the enemies.

Vladimir Putin once said, “Russia [will not] repeat the mistakes of the Cold War era, when a costly arms race against the United States drained Soviet resources;” and he continued to say that the new Russia will be strengthen militarily through intellectual assets, see CNN May 10, 2006. From the implication, as far as he is concerned, the war with US is not over; therefore, a less costly war with the US is being conducted through his clients, such as Iran and Syria, and with more emphasis on the Russian diplomatic exertions on all our enemies, in the work to undermine the US’s international credibility, including but not limited to the cultural war on multi-fronts.

Russia and China, both know better than getting into direct confrontation with the US. They both have learned, America, with strong allies, is formidable; therefore, if they can deprive America of her allies, America will sink on her on accord. They will take advantage of what they see how Europe loses in its cultural war again Islam, and that she has lost the will to fight, see Jerusalem Post, an article by David Machlis and Tovah Lazroff, January 29, 2007.

Further more, by looking at how 103 countries voted for the adoption of the useless UN resolution 1696 (2006), and how the Arab nations did not stand with us “shoulder to shoulder”, I can see the bleakness in the hope of stopping the nuclear Iran. Though the Arab nations on surface seems to show concerns over the danger of nuclear Iran, they tacitly hope Iran to succeed in attaining its nuclear weapons, and thereby, attain their undeniable rights to nuclear weapons; to which end, the destruction of Israel will become a reality. Once Israel is destroyed, the American demise will follow.

Though the US has gained new allies recently, such as India and Vietnam (questionable) in an effort to deter China, I personally believe, both India and Vietnam are still watching on how we treat the Iraqis—when we lose our credibility, they will switch to side with our greater enemies to save their buttocks.

Though I don’t like what I see in Iraq, I can say we have not lost the war yet. I believe, whoever to be voted into Whitehouse next, he will have no choice but keep the fight for the reason that if we quit, it will not be long before our children and grand children must return to the theatre of war, with much higher cost, considering with each day Iran is closer in coming to possess more sophisticated and more lethal weapons against our posterity. With the danger of new lethal weapons, the deaths in the future will make our current loses look like a dwarf.

If we are to win, then how shall we fight? An atheist general of USSR said at one time, “It is hard to bring Muslims down on their knees; even at the point of death, the bastards would stare at you.”

We will win, for as long as the patience amongst us does not ware out before we see victory.

How shall we fight? I cannot say, for it’s a subject outside of my province.

Posted by: ssa at January 31, 2007 3:45 PM

""As for now, America is successful in all aspects of power to influence; we have both the great military and economic power and prestige. Our economy has grown significantly that the rest of the world are receiving the great windfalls—please review the quarterly GDP’s,"".....posted by SSA.

I see things differently. Europe hates us, as does Russia the ME and China. All of the above want to see us knocked down....the UN is useless. Tell me, WHO is listening to anything we say anymore?

I don't know where you live, but the economy in our part of the country sucks. Jobs pay very little and are very scarce. Forget benefits and the illegals are weighing down our welfare system. The only new businesses opening in our area are fast-food and funeral homes....tell you anything? The factories have closed or are closing. Housing is going down the toilet and the houses people own in the area are crumbling and practically worthless. There simply isn't any new opportunity that pays anytning. People seem completely ignorant of politics and they drive their gas-sucking trucks and shop at Wal-Mart.

Maybe the rich are getting richer at the expense of the American Workers (backbone of the country). Maybe those who can afford stocks are becoming wealthier as they invest in foreign companies. Our dollar is crap and falling quickly. Our military is overstretched. Our politicians are worthless and corrupt.

This is what I see happening my my country. What we need is a new government that is for the people. One that looks after the American Worker.

I think Russia, China and the rest of the world are counting down the days until our elected officials completely ruin our country.

Sorry to be so pessimistic, but I think some folks like Rush Limbaugh, live in a world where they rarely witness or notice what is happening to the rest of the nation.

Posted by: The Goobs at January 31, 2007 4:07 PM

"I looked into his eyes (Putin's) and saw someone I could trust"...Our fearless leader

Can't remember the exact quote, but definitely it reveals a lack of good character judgment.

I must admit that although I consider myself a pretty good judge of character (as it relates to me and mine), I have been wrong more than a few times and usually got ripped off because of it. However, I have always been suspicious of Putin.
He reminds me of our liberal polititions who will align themselves with anyone who will enhance their ability to gain or retain power. He and they ignore the danger they place themselves and their constituents.

Posted by: TexasInfidel at January 31, 2007 4:36 PM

The Goobs,
Last year, I was assigned to lead a group of professionals to work in a remote desert. My group consisted of a highly skilled people. We lived in a town with a population of 3,000, where the main goal of the local youth is, to work at the local gas stations and the supermarkets. I have noticed that the diligent and responsible youths left the town to seek better future, some join Marine Corp, while the complacent remained and subsisted on a minimum pay or wealth-fair.

I was a man without a country. I witnessed a mob of Muslims shattered the head of a Kafir, where only a week later I ended up in an orphanage. I drifted from one country to another, subsisting on charity from churches and Christians who gave me education, but I did not lose hope and worked my ass off to please my benefactors. Then, only by God’s grace I ended up in America—yes, lucky me. No one can tell me whether there is another good country like America in the world—I can say: I have seen most of them. For this reason, I made friends with Christians from many different races, including Christian Arabs, who made my childhood possible. If you have followed my stories, you should have known it.

You are a son of America. You ought to know better: You have a very kind government and generous people.

Please, leave your town--immediately. There is always hope, and it will always be there for you, as long as you live in America. America has enough to feed the entire world; it only takes one thing; that is, get of your off fanny and start your marching; besides, bitching will not improve your lot!

You cannot be that poor, as I reckoned—since you have access to the inter-net as we speak.

Posted by: ssa at January 31, 2007 4:47 PM

Remember Beslan....

Posted by: JohnnyPissoff at January 31, 2007 4:58 PM

Ezekiel 38 nations against Israel:

What this article and peoples theories show and can see the connections of this alliance that Iran is building will one day be used to make war. There maybe tensions now as I guess people around the world cannot deny it otherwise. The prophecies may not happen next week but the potholes are in place for everyone to get dragged into and Ezekiel, which is about Israel at the end of the ages and what circumstances it holds.

Some argue this Gog and Magog war is in 1000 years time during the peace process when Jesus rules the earth as stated in the Book of Revelations. But this war could still go ahead and yet reapeat it self with a different generation or just some areas but with the same scenario, if Iran still plays this poker game- 'It’s a Nuclear of Peace we want to kill you' game then Israel might actually strike Iran and cause a fall out of radiation by accident, The UN may gang up and say no Nuclear weapons allowed or we will attack anymore nations that will want to use them. Then all these nations would have to gather by means of manual fighting because by then the UN would monitor everything in the East. So the war will be fought by a territorial means as Ezekiel mentions. Remember this is not Armageddon yet that is bigger.

Ezekiel 38:1-6 The word of the Lord came to me; Son of man, set your face against Gog, of the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal; prophesy against him and say: 'This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I am against you, O Gog, chief prince of Meshech and Tubal. I will turn you around, put hooks in your jaws and bring you out with your whole army - your horsemen fully armed, and a great horde with large and small shields, all of them brandishing their swords. Persia, Cush and Put will be with them, all with shields and helmets, also Gomer with all its troops, and Beth Togarmah from the far north with all its troops - the many nations with you

2500 years ago – modern nation
(could China be involved now?)
Rosh - Russia
Magog- Central Asia
Meshech- Turkey
Tubal- Turkey (also southern Russia and Iran)
Persia -Iran
Ethiopia- (Cush) Sudan
Put- Libya
Gomer- Turkey
Many peoples with you- Other Islamic nations

All I am saying is if this is right look out this is just one event with many roads leading to it. Yes you don’t have to believe but makes you wonder.

Posted by: jesusisthelamb at January 31, 2007 5:09 PM

i guess the iraninas really do not care about their fellow muslims in chechynia.

Posted by: callmeinfidel at January 31, 2007 5:38 PM

Russia and Britain have been playing the "Great Game" in that region for hundreds of years.AND China, very quietly. The U.S. is a late comer.

Finally, finally, Russia is getting ahead.

So! What is is about that area that they want so badly? What is there that they want?

Could it be the Ladakh Mountains? Do a little research in the 'net - people.

This is NOT myth. This is not here-say. This is not a conspiracy theory!

Posted by: allat at January 31, 2007 6:33 PM

F**k russia! and F**k Putin that commie piece of s**t!

Posted by: jawknee at January 31, 2007 6:50 PM

Ezekel 38,39. The great war against Israel is coming. Its ok. cause the Bible says Israel kicks their arse!

Posted by: jawknee at January 31, 2007 6:52 PM

Anyway the whole fuss of this ancient Middle East conflict comes in form of several super natural reasons.

Israel- Temple mount- is where the Jewish covenant is with God's promise aligned with heaven. And Jesus predicted that his second coming will be a sign when the 3rd Temple is built but we have a Mosque right now, try getting that down.
Where Mohammad visited heaven in a dream also Temple Mount

Jordan- Giant tombs that that keep getting destroyed and covered up by Muslim authorities. The Giants that the Israeli’s fought example David and Goliath.

Mount Ararat- is said to be where Noah's Ark is place. Too dangerous because it is forbidden and you can be attacked. Cover Up.

Iraq- Babel, Garden of Eden also the bottomless pit, where fallen Angels and demons are present.

Anyway the list goes on it's a region that is not only as it says it is the centre of everything and different people claim to be different places but they over lap. This will if it's correct in the spiritaul world and ours, will one day let lose all of it's history to accumilate to hell fire because as well as holy places there are evil ones too.

Myth or no myth too much history is there for it to not to explode and this time Billions live on this planet.

Posted by: jesusisthelamb at January 31, 2007 7:41 PM

Well, not long ago, Russia was finally admitted into the World Trade Organization, I don't believe they'll sell-off that easily; knowing it'll drive them further into isolation. The winters are rough and the Russian economy is the pits, I don't see Iran being able to take on their problems and deal with their own at the same time.

Posted by: Jeff at January 31, 2007 9:34 PM

Russia reminds me a bit of Byzantium in the late 14th/early 15th century....eagerly helping the Ottomans against perceived Christian enemies...until their policy absurdities became apparent....but had already sealed their fate.

Posted by: Cornelius at January 31, 2007 10:22 PM

The only thing behind the ties of Russia and Iran is obvious and it's called business, both in commercial and political meaning. After all it doesn't matter what you do if it brings you income both economical and political. And messing up with Iran certainly does bring Russia income. We can blackmail all the western world with it (although I personally do not support this cause for me "it's time for the people of the goodwill ...", "... and justice for all" etc.) But the Great 7 should have thought more carefully about what to speak of what's going on in Chechnya. I think it's time to realize for the US that they have to make some efforts to win Russia as a powerful ally in the coming real war on terror.
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Posted by: Hell Awaits at February 1, 2007 12:11 AM

I would hope the leaders of Russia really think about everything , about what they are doing. The choices in countrys to work with, in pacts over the last eighty years is quite telling, even though they did survive that time , how many times can you back the outlaw?

Posted by: Islofob IS-1 at February 1, 2007 12:57 AM

I doubt we will ever directly square off with either Russia or China, because they know we will force them underground for years until things stop glowing, BUT a stooge country like Iran is the ideal one to do their dirty work. The issue is neither buy into the mahdi bullcrap, but both could loan the technology to pull off the illusion of the millenium,and it seems old Ahwannajihad belives the timing will be spring equinox, I doubt the nutjob they killed at Najaf the other day is the mahdi Iran backs. Given the frenzied mentality it won't take much to convince the mob. We need to be very alert they don't try fulfilling any of these prophecies. On the bright side a nuclear winter would cool off the global warming debate.

Posted by: Catawhumpus at February 1, 2007 1:56 AM

I don't know if your population stats are factual but one thing I do know: Russia has BIGGER BOMBS.

And more of them!!

Posted by: MeanieMo

Well, these stats aren't "facts" because they refer to a future situation. But they are based on the trends of the last 40-50 years, and so far the figures have been born out. Most European countries already show a negative "natural rate of increase". Their numbers are kept up only by immigration. Even so, virtually every European country is projected to have a smaller population in 2050 than in 2005, and to have a larger islamic minority than at present. Russia's decline will be near-catastrophic, about 25%, from ca. 145 million in 2005 to less than 110 million in 2050.
Of course, trends can change, but in the case of Europe, the one that is likely to change is the rate of immigration from the 3rd world in general and islamia in particular; it will likely increase, making the islamic take-over arrive even sooner than predicted.
It will take a major change in the thinking of the European leadership to change the trends. So far, most of them don't even seem to realize that there is any danger at all in the current situation, much less a fatal danger. One place to start would be to make abortion much less common. In Russia, at present about 1/2 of all pregnancies end in abortion. Just bringing that down to the U.S. level (about 1/5, which is bad enough) would mean a lot more Russians in 2050.
I haven't figured out how to make a link to the proper website, but my figures come from the International Data Base (IDB) of the U.S. Census Bureau. Just google International Data Base; it has loads of info on the demographics of virtually every country.

Posted by: ebonystone at February 1, 2007 2:24 AM

During a meeting with Russian foreign minister Igor Ivanov in Tehran, Iran's supreme leader Ali Khamenei was reported as calling on Monday for a cooperation between the two countries to halt US ambitions in the region.

We and the Russians lived on the brink of total annihilation for some 40 years, and pulled it off without a conflagaration.

Now here we are, after a 15 yr respite, with Russia in Commie Relapse and the Moslems, who else but the Moslems, eager to set up a new epoch of nuclear brinksmanship.

Something tells me that this time around things won't turn out so well.

And exactly what are our ambitions in the region, anyway?

I am unsurprised to see Marxists and Moslems ready to see billions killed in order to stand firm against freedom. Natural allies, they are.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at February 1, 2007 11:19 AM

Too bad the mullahs have ALREADY played this card.

Posted by: pythagoras at February 1, 2007 3:21 PM

JSobieski: The US is planning to be energy independent as of July 4 2007. And the legislative force behind this is of all people none other than Nancy Pelosi (her motivations are environmental not political however). Bush has probably fought her every step of the way on this too!

Putin and his mullah monster friends can BOTH wet their pants together soon!

Posted by: pythagoras at February 1, 2007 3:27 PM

THE need of the time is an USA-Europe-Israeli-Indian axis (or call it Christian-Jews-Hindu axis) to battle the cancer of Jihad becasue if not controlled now it will spread and spread and one day it may be too late.

In short all these religion dont hate each other, but Islam hates all these three religion and uniting is neccasry to fight the cancer

Posted by: Indiana_jones at February 1, 2007 6:55 PM

Seems to me, it wasn't too long ago that were facing the Russians and Chinese as enemies. Well, maybe fifty-odd years is quite some time.

Now we are facing them once again but this time our position is worse. We are supporting the Chinese economically and Russia has managed to have an armed and stronger Iran on its side.

Having our manufacturing done in China, besides buying Chinese goods is not doing us any good. The Russians are not in good-enough shape to regain their former power and pose the same kind of threat they once did. Pushing Iran into our face, however, appears to give them added clout.

Would they do anything were we to hit Iran? Would China? the latter is not quite ready yet to face us--but they are doing their best to get there.

It will take people with a greater range of mental faculties than Bush and crew to come up with a solution.

Would something like--let's suppose it came to pass--Hillary and Obama--give us much comfort to handle the situation?

I don't think so.

Posted by: unicorns62000 at February 3, 2007 7:06 PM