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January 31, 2007

"i am not an extremist, but i did threaten to kill a man who insulted islam"

Traditional Muslim Alert: of course Mohammed Saud, mohammed_souljha@hotmail.co.uk, who threatened to kill me in an email he sent me in December, is indeed not an extremist.

He recently wrote this in an email that was forwarded to me by a Jihad Watch reader who exchanged emails with him about his threatening me:

i am not an extremist, but i did threaten to kill a man who insulted islam.

What's "extremist" about that? The idea that people who insult Islam and Muhammad should be killed is mainstream in Islamic law, and is taught by all the schools of Islamic jurisprudence. I don't accept the assertion that I have done so by shedding light on the elements of Islam that jihadists use to justify their actions, but that is a separate matter. From the perspective of Islamic law there is nothing "extremist" about Mohammed Saud at all.

Saud also recalls romeosay@hotmail.com, who also threatened me some time ago. In the course of his threats he said:

I will be violent against anyone who hurts muslim feelings about Prophet.

It is a religion of peace for everyone until some duckhead sprews out his damn saliva on a senstive topic as this. Spencer will be delivered.

A religion of peace, until you insult us. Then we kill you.

Posted by Robert at January 31, 2007 2:28 PM
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Ok, if that guy is not an extremist as declared in this statement, I guess he falls into the "MODERATE" muslim category?

How many times do muslims prove themselves evil and totally intolerant before world "leaders" accept the threat of islam?

If a moderate threatens to kill somebody this easily, than again I say THERE IS NO HOPE FOR MUSLIMS LIVING IN THE WESTERN WORLD!

Outlaw islam yesterday....today is too late.

Posted by: Hungarian Crusader [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 31, 2007 2:48 PM

Hey Mo, if you can't accept the truth about the original Mo don't blame Robert Spencer-blame Mo himself. Robert Spence merely chronicled the deeds and words of Mr Perfect, he did not do or say them himself.

By the way, you are the spitting image of your namesake, judging from your email.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 31, 2007 2:50 PM

The risk of life and limb to the victim of these threats aside, this is in a way a good thing. Publicizing these adherences to Islamic law will hasten the wider public's understanding of Islamic law and its true meaning.

Posted by: Quijybo [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 31, 2007 2:57 PM

Hi robert,theres laws in the uk about making death threats via the internet,a criminal offence.Report this guy to scotland yards internet tracking group.
They have powers to find out who he is by checking email/ip addresses!.

Posted by: scotsguy [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 31, 2007 3:03 PM


"A religion of peace, until you insult us."

And even that's a damned lie.

I'm sure that the Buddhist schoolteachers were busily insulting Islam when they were butchered in cold blood. Same for the Christian schoolgirls who were beheaded in Indonesia. They were probably singing anti-Muslim songs on their way to school. NOT.

The HATRED comes from within Islam for what is outside of Islam, period.

Posted by: alexon [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 31, 2007 3:05 PM

"duckhead"?

I believe that's a typo.

Posted by: Hugh [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 31, 2007 3:08 PM

Off topic is it true that Muhammad use to sleep with 9 year old girls.

I was watching the BBC and they showed pieces of a video that was filmed in a mosque and the clerics were talking about sex before pubety and how it was acceptable.

Posted by: stevenz [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 31, 2007 3:12 PM

We're a Religion of peace!!! and we'll kill you to prove it!

The fact that they just don't see the irony is the cariest part .

Posted by: Concerned Canadian [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 31, 2007 3:22 PM

edit: ^^" scariest part "

Posted by: Concerned Canadian [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 31, 2007 3:23 PM

Yes you are right the prophet mohamedd married a 6 year old girl but he was so noble he waited until she was 9 to have sex with her.

He also did many other sick things, You should read up on him, it will shock you.

Posted by: BlowHammed [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 31, 2007 3:26 PM

americaningermany - Missed you.

Posted by: MP [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 31, 2007 3:31 PM

This is similar to that 'joke' about the sign at a muslim rally reading "BEHEAD THOSE WHO SAY ISLAM IS VIOLENT".

Is this the same guy who wanted to rip out robert spencers spine?

That one was so graphic I loved it.

Posted by: BlowHammed [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 31, 2007 3:32 PM

Hugh,

On the keyboard, the "d" is next to the "f" and the "i" is next to the "u". Could have been anything.....perhaps he was referring to infidel outerwear?

Posted by: QuickHenryTheFlit [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 31, 2007 3:34 PM

""i am not an extremist, but i did threaten to kill a man who insulted islam"

....Just like the other fellow was a "Cheerleader"...

"A religion of peace, until you insult us. Then we kill you."


....By the way we will kill you even if you don't insult us!...

Posted by: exsgtbrown [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 31, 2007 3:34 PM

Yes you are right the prophet mohamedd married a 6 year old girl but he was so noble he waited until she was 9 to have sex with her.

He also did many other sick things, You should read up on him, it will shock you.

Posted by: BlowHammed

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Sad thing is that i cannot seem to use any of this so called " prophet" / " model for perfect human behaviour " 's deeds or words as proof of how twisted Islams teachings are without being called a racist or a bigot! I read Muslims using all sort of retoric and get away with it, even when it's outright lies, but if a Non Muslim calls a spade a spade or calls out the hypocricy of MO,and his teachings then you are intolerant and a Bigot. truly strange times we live in.

Posted by: Concerned Canadian [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 31, 2007 3:36 PM


Mohammed, named after his supposed prophet....Seems like he behaves like him as well.

9:29

48:29

Posted by: DCWatson [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 31, 2007 3:39 PM


mohammed_souljha@hotmail.co.uk

Hey, Moe......Grow up and get an education, so that you aren't so easily impressed by the whacko Imams preaching hate over there in the land you've infested.

Posted by: DCWatson [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 31, 2007 3:43 PM

This incident, like countless others, illustrates that Muslims expect every infidel to live in constant terror that the slightest affront, even an inadvertent one, to their sensibilities will result in swift and punitive, even violent, retribution at the hands of the nearest believers.

I was thinking about that idea, and realized that perhaps the "War on Terror" phraseology is not so wrong after all. What is so bad, after all, is that the War on Terror is viewed operationally as primarily a military conflict, whereas it is really primarily an ideological one.

Therefore, we should show our respect for Islamic ideology by turning it back on them using the principle of reciprocity (others here have written similar thoughts). Since infidels may not enter Mecca, no Muslim should be permitted to immigrate to the free world. Since the Bible is not permitted in Saudi Arabia, the Koran should not be permitted here. Since Muslims belong to one big Islamic umma, rather than to individual nation states, we should consider an attack on us from any Islamic nation state as an attack on us by all of them. Since Muslims may only be loyal to each other, and only recognize Islamic law as binding, and since they may not treat infidels as equals, we should exclude them from honored positiions, including the holding of public office, in our society.

If their ideology is to be respected for what it clearly is--an implacable us versus them world supremacist conspiracy to enslave humanity--then we have no moral responsibility to treat Muslims as equals in any sphere of human activity. Indeed, I have come to believe that it is a moral failing to do so.



Posted by: Stendec [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 31, 2007 3:53 PM

"On the keyboard..."
--- from a posting above

Qwertily speaking, I ought to have observed in my initial posting the possibility not of one but of two conceivable typos. The first would involve a switcheroo, or chasse-croisée, or metathesis, involving the initial consonants; the second would result from a Great Vowel Switch, though not of the kind that lawgiver Grimm envisaged.

Posted by: Hugh [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 31, 2007 3:55 PM

AIG:

Is that really you? Where have you been the last month? Did you get that midnight knock on the door? Have the Thought Police turned you? Have you given names?

Welcome home anyway.

Posted by: western infidel [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 31, 2007 3:58 PM

"Yes you are right the prophet mohamedd married a 6 year old girl but he was so noble he waited until she was 9 to have sex with her."

I wish you would study up on your subject before you go mouthing off. Muhammed did NOT have intercourse with her before the age of 9, but it appears lawable within Islam for The Perfect Man to have given the little tyke instructions on how to fondle him to orgasm, for him to ejaculate between her little bitty legs and for her to be stimulated to kiddie-orgasm as long as she wasn't penetrated.

SO! I'd appreciate you not making MO out to be some kind of a prude.

Posted by: poetcomic1 [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 31, 2007 4:02 PM

So much of this comes from these crazies just being able to get away with it.

Concerned people should just keep hammering away that this is happening until making death threats in the name of islam becomes as unacceptable as making anti-Semitic remarks--at least unacceptable as it is in western liberal democracies, I obviously know that idiots like Amedinejad are getting away with making death threats and anti-Semitic remarks every day from their evil threocratic castles.

We need legal foundations to take the fight to them and make actions of jihad such as death threats, which 'good' muslims are compelled to do, eminently prosecutable.

Muslims should be held accountable for their actions. In some cases is ought to go beyond lawsuits, e.g. the death plotters in the UK in todays news should be hung as civilians threatening to kill a soldier just as some states carry capital punishment for individuals who kill law enforcement agents.

Posted by: GreatShaitan [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 31, 2007 4:11 PM

Banned! Why? Were you using up too much hard disk space on JW or just insulting the good prophet?

Posted by: western infidel [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 31, 2007 4:13 PM

"duckhead" I'll have to remember that one. It could be used in polite society. Kinda like "dadgummit." Thanks mo!

Posted by: TexasInfidel [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 31, 2007 4:18 PM

Mr. Spencer

Your Popular!!!!!

The wonders of using Muhammeds own words to insult Muhammed! Now is that possible with any other faith. I mean could I use the words of Buddha to insult Buddha or the words of Jesus to insult Jesus?

You have to love Islam.

Posted by: greatcometof1577 [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 31, 2007 4:21 PM

AiG. Hi, good to hear from you again. This caught my eye:

" Are we to understand that anyone who insults islam is automatically on the Big Hit "LIST"?

I think yes. Anyone who expresses any misgivings against the "un"holy islam is automatically on the "Big Hit List". "

I think you're right. I got emailed by someone who runs a blog unfriendly to Islam that I frequently comment on. He's someone who checks his blog stats and he told me that I was being tracked. I don't really mind: it's a compliment really, and confirmation that I'm getting up their noses.

Just the boost to my morale that any soldier needs in time of war.

Go have a read of Gandalf's latest post on Up Pompeii: it's a good one.

Glad you're back

Posted by: Sir Henry Morgan [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 31, 2007 4:24 PM

"I will be violent against anyone who hurts muslim feelings about Prophet."

Good I will change my first name to "Prophet".

"It is a religion of peace for everyone until some duckhead sprews out his damn saliva on a senstive topic as this. Spencer will be delivered."

Mr. Spencer do you have a saliva problem??

Are you using UPS or Fedex to ship Mr. Spencer??


Posted by: greatcometof1577 [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 31, 2007 4:27 PM

stevenz:

Here's the link to information on your off-topic question
http://www.wikiislam.org/wiki/Aisha%27s_Age_of_Consummation

Posted by: elcordobes [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 31, 2007 4:55 PM

i am not an extremist, but i did threaten to kill a man who insulted islam".

This statement re-defines the meaning of who is an extemist. But why be surprised - AP, Reuters, BBC have been redefining what constitutes extremist or terrorst for years now.

You say extremist, I say Islamist
You say terrorist, I say Islamist
Extremist, Islamist
Islamist, Extremist
Lets call the whole thing off.

Posted by: DP111 [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 31, 2007 5:12 PM

WOW elcordobes thats amazing Its says in big bold black letters MUHAMMED THE PEDOPHILE.

You cant argue with Wikipedia.

Posted by: BlowHammed [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 31, 2007 5:17 PM

I think he may have been in a bit of a rage while typing.....http://www.duckheadshoes.com/Catalog/Catalog.asp?CatalogID=102
I figure Duckhead® was not what he was going for. Heh heh We may have been in contact with Islamic Rage Boy®

Posted by: Carolyn2 [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 31, 2007 5:19 PM

The so called prophet mohammed was only a man. Since he was only a man, he can be insulted just like anyone else. He was never holy.

Posted by: callmeinfidel [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 31, 2007 5:34 PM

I like that song.

Posted by: Hugh [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 31, 2007 5:41 PM

Want to have some fun? Go here

http://www.tagged.com/havekoranwilltravel

If you become a member you can resd all my comments when you click on the pics. Then you can start your own page and really have some fun.
And no I'm not Muslim, heh heh.

Posted by: havekoranwilltravel [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 31, 2007 6:23 PM

I stand beside Robert Spencer and Hugh Fitzgerald and Ibn Warriq and all the rest of the Warriors for Freedom!

Posted by: allat [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 31, 2007 6:28 PM

Every freedom-loving American should now consider himself on notice:

Be Prepared.

Posted by: Francis W. Porretto [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 31, 2007 6:36 PM

Is exposing Islam the same as insulting?

Posted by: sheik yer'mami [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 31, 2007 6:42 PM

What a spot-on essay Francis. Congrats.

Posted by: William The Crusader [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 31, 2007 7:25 PM

Actually I have experienced this myself long back.
Well I did not pay attention or importance to it at that time.But today I look back on the incident and realise it was an incident which showed the real nature of Islam but I failed to understand it that time.

During 1994,I was in University and had a muslim buddy by name of Ali.We were great buddies and because he was close to me,he used to joke about the jews and hindus.
He called their Gods the worst of thnigs that one can imagine.
That point of time ,he never said anything about Christianity, probably becasue he was careful as I was Christian.

Well one day , during the cracking of jokes I just happened to jokingly mention "Why did Muhammad ask the woman not to talk to non muslims and wear the burqa. Was he afraid the woman would stay away from muslim guys becos of their ugly beards if they got to interact with others".
Well it was the one and only time,I had joked about Islam and was nothing compared to the shit he spoke about the jews and hindus.I assumed if a guy dishes out a hundred jokes on others religion he can take one on his own.

Boy the reaction he gave me and he almost literally said that if I insulted Muhaamad he would kill me.

I sensed things could get worse and assumed he was bit drunk or he would never say something like that to a buddy.
But today I am not sure.
I think he probably would have said same thing even if he was not drunk. And mind you he was drunk, although Islam prohibits it.

I remembered this incident when there was the reaction over the Danish newspaper cartoons.
I reached the conclusion it was not just Ali who was like that but the whole Islam religion. They cannot tolerate anyone else but want the world to tolerate anythnig they do.

Wow I dread to event hink of what an Islamic world would be.

Posted by: Indiana_jones [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 31, 2007 9:08 PM

Contradictions to more contradictions, you can't be a religion of peace and say you will kill someone or anyone. In fact, you can't be at peace with anything !

Posted by: Jeff [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 31, 2007 9:23 PM

I just thought of a way to effectively nullify CAIR's lobbing efforts.
Just go to their action Alert archives.
http://www.cair.com/default.asp?Page=archive&theType=AA

Click on the link they provide to comment in a pro Muslim way. Then write your own anti-Radical Jihad Fashist statement. To the original "offending party.

Remember Sharia violates everyone's freedom of choice.

Pass this idea on!

Posted by: Outlaw Sharia [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 1, 2007 1:19 AM

"I am not an extremist," but the spiders whose legs I pulled off,the worms whose severed bodies wriggled and squirmed,the crane flies whose wings I dislocated from them and the ants I gleefully squished with my shoe at age 5 would probably beg to differ. But I'v never threatened to kill a man who insulted Christianity.

Posted by: mustang65 [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 1, 2007 2:09 AM

Sir Henry Morgan how can they track you, and if that is so then we are all in danger,,, and this is good..
We must not push them into silence, as they would just go back to staying quite until their numbers have grown even bigger.. they have done a fantastic job in hood winking our leaders so far, and all the time their numbers grow as they intended...
Their hatred for us is obvious, by their gang raping our girls, their no rage when one of us are hurt by one of theirs, simply their no rage at all...
It amazes me how they be outraged world wide when something little happens against them but when they do something little against us and we go verbally mad they not only dont say sorry but come on talk back and tell us that we are making them terrorise by being angry at them for them doing things against us... hope you guys can understand that,,,
It appears that they dont know how to work as I have read that although most other non English speaking immigrants get work very quickly, 80% of Muslims dont ever seem to try,, is it because they are not allowed to have anything to do with us so they dont work...or cant bare to be near us...

Posted by: Gaye [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 1, 2007 7:29 AM

Newbe here, but passionate about not losing my head to fanatic muslims, who act in the name of their moon god, and the pedaphile mohamid.

I posted for a year on Topix.net, on the "DENMARK" forum, that is of course until i was banned (perminately). On that forum, muslims attack women at will, yet topix bans the westerners like myself who would defend them.

There were several threads dedicated to me, and support for my return, but the pandering mods at topix, further just banned more westerners, for challanging their authority.

The "Denmark thread was the most active thread on their entire site, now topix just pulls threads, posts and posters, Apparently for Islam.

Most of the "moderated" muslims who post ther have the same violrnt habits, like the so called "moderate"here",
One of our situations, was a mulsim male wishing the deaths of a female posters children, in front of her eyes. NICE, that religon of peace.

Visit the Denmark forum, tell em TA/ Team America, puppet movie, sent you,,,,,, You will drive the mod's crazy and give support to a handful of infadels who will dig you.......

Posted by: Team America [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 1, 2007 5:13 PM

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