Iran need a little attitude adjustment...a little something to help them rearrange their priorities...I hope they get it soon...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at February 1, 2007 10:48 AM

Soon the Iranian menace will be dealt with-hopefully in a decisive manner.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at February 1, 2007 10:51 AM

How many ways/times do they need to declare war on us before we respond?

Sheesh.

Posted by: walterc at February 1, 2007 11:04 AM

Let's see:

- 21,000 troops going to "Iraq"
- A carrier group deployed to the Gulf
- More and more articles saying how Iran is killing our troops in Iraq.
- A raid on the consulate
- GWB is not up for re-election and has nothing to lose.

Hmmmm ... I'm no rocket surgeon, but I think somethings up.

Posted by: ShortBoard Surfer at February 1, 2007 11:04 AM

Undersecretary of State Nicholas Burns.

"It's a very serious situation. And the message from the United States is, Iran should cease and desist."

They will never unless by force.

Posted by: Arnie at February 1, 2007 11:23 AM

shortboard surfer -

Yeah, something is up. Something clumsy and stupid that will backfire and make things worse. Every slot in the vending machine called George W. sells 'Loser'

Loser. Shmuck. Half-wit. Dolt and Daddy's boy. Great men do great deeds. W. builds Olympic sized swimming pools in the desert for non-existent Iraqi policeman while our troops have to BEG for sand goggles to keep from losing their sight.

Posted by: poetcomic1 at February 1, 2007 11:37 AM

Iran to US: Oh yeah? You and what army?

Posted by: Hugh at February 1, 2007 11:53 AM

Now just imagine oif the US had somebody like Winston Churchill or Theodore Roosevelt as President today. You can bet the absolute minimum they would have done is tell the Iranians "Stop supplying the terrorists .... OR ELSE!" and let the Iranians know that they actually meant it. And if the Iranians took no notice and continued their wicked ways, there's no doubt that an all-out assault on Iran, from air, sea and land would definitely take place, and the Revolutionary Guards and Basiji thugs would be chewed up by Gatlings from Spectre gunships, whilst Irans air force and anti-aircraft defences would be utterly destroyed by overwhelming fire, and their wicked Government decapitated. And would anyone like Churchill or Teddy Roosevelt have consulted lawyers to ask them how the US Army should conduct the war? No way, because they would have realised that asking lawyers to oversee Armed Forces tactics would have sent out a message that the US had 'cold feet' and was squeamish at the thought of inflicting even modest, let alone massive casualties on the enemy.

Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at February 1, 2007 11:53 AM

@ poetcomic1

Agree with most of what you say. This "limited" war is stupid, but I think that this time Imadinnerjacket will start things, and we're there to back up Isreal.

Where's the MacArthurs & Pattons when we need them?

Posted by: ShortBoard Surfer at February 1, 2007 11:55 AM

Cease and desist? Or else what? Iran will get the comfy chair treatment?

Posted by: wrathofasma at February 1, 2007 12:00 PM

@ s_sgt7

I'm not cutting down GWB, just the people that are hamstring our troops, the lawyers, the MSM, the Left Wing seditionists etc. I had to put up with this shiite in Viet Nam, and I hate to see our troops having to fight with one hand tied behind their backs like we had to. IMHO this war could have been over in 3 months.

Posted by: ShortBoard Surfer at February 1, 2007 12:03 PM

"IMHO this war could have been over in 3 months"

And if we were to sudden get this case of the dumbass we are living in, we could end it in 3 months, 6 months tops.

Posted by: walterc at February 1, 2007 12:07 PM

Hugh: maybe you could put down the pen, pick up the sword--lend a hand; the Army is looking for a few more dudes. Otherwise, we'll just have to take care of Iran with the Navy, Marines and Air Force--and maybe some help from Israel.

Posted by: counterjihadi at February 1, 2007 12:11 PM

I don't have a crystal ball so I don't know what will happen with Iran in the future. I do know that it is often repeated that if the USA does not fight "over there" that jihadists will have to be fought on the streets of our cities. Following that logic, why are any Muslims allowed to immigrate to the US?

Posted by: maryrose at February 1, 2007 12:19 PM

Because, maryrose, we appear to be in the minority of people who understand this concept.

Posted by: igetit at February 1, 2007 12:22 PM

I can't explain it but I think when the fight with Iran begins it won't be like Iraq-no months of BS before the attack. We wake up one morning and see on the news that the US has launched air attacks overnight in response to one provocation too many. If that's how it unfolds I just hope they hit every suspected nuke site first and not worry about "collateral damage".

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at February 1, 2007 12:25 PM

...or we could get the U.N. to pass another
resolution.

Posted by: aladdinsane57 at February 1, 2007 12:33 PM

...or we could get the U.N. to pass another
resolution.

Or better yet, resign our seat and tell the UN to pack up and move to Paris.

Posted by: walterc at February 1, 2007 12:41 PM

Speaking of 'Nam, the use of a very effective tactic from that time would make a "huge" impression. If along the Iraqi-Iranian border we were to implement Operation Arc Light, Rolling Thunder and a few others, Iran might back off. B-52's that you can't see or hear dropping their load, ala Afghanistan, is almost as awesome as a nuclear detonation. One night in '69 saw a mountain top go up in Fire and smoke. Pretty darn impressive.

Tom

Posted by: Marinetbryant at February 1, 2007 12:44 PM

Reading this site is like getting whipsawed emotionally.

One minute we hate Pukistan, the next Saudi Wahabism. Now its Iran's turn.

STOP THE CLOCK!

The Shiites showed great patience with the Sunni insurgency until last year when the Sunnis blew up their Golden Mosque. The Sunnis just kept killing and killing and killing and destroying until finally the Shiites had had enough. The tipping point came with the Samara bombing.

STOP AND THINK!

Can you blame the Shiites for wanting the ability to govern? They are 60% of the population. It's the Jihadi/Baath/Sunni Supremecists who will yell "Kill, Kill, Kill," and "Die, Die, Die," until the end of time, because little babies that they are, they feel they should rule because of divine decree. The Shiites call them "taqfirris"--those who call the Shiites Kaffirs.

Kaffirs Unite.

Of course Iran is helping the Shiites! I would help the Shiites against their daily 9-11s!

Bush is a clown. Somebody better tie a can to his rocket. He's mentally unbalanced if he thinks he can fight the Sunni insurgency while at the same time fighting Iran and Afghanistan.

Bush is delusional!

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Sunni Islam is a far greater threat to the West than Shiism.

We can handle Shiism over time.

The Sunni should all go to Hell!

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at February 1, 2007 12:49 PM

I believe we have a contingent of B-52s on Diego de Garcia.

Tom

Posted by: Marinetbryant at February 1, 2007 12:54 PM

Attacking Iran is not the same thing as an "invasion of Iran." No more land invasions. No more "regime change" through the American army. No more squandering of hundreds of billions, including tens of billions spent to win hearts and win minds that cannot, in truth, be won. None of that. Just eliminate the military means to cause major damage to Infidels. But not enough to prevent Iran from still being a threat to Sunni Muslims around the Gulf. Just the nuclear project need be dealt with, from the air.

Else what are ICBM's, and planes, and missiles from ships, for?

Posted by: Hugh at February 1, 2007 12:58 PM

If we say it I hope we mean it.

We Americans are guilty of not responding to Iran for the last 25 years.

We have not had official diplomatic relations with Iran but I know that we have negotiated diplomacy with Iran through third party countries. So, we are seeing the diplomacy that the left wants us to have.....what has it gotten us? It has shown us to be weak and to strengthen Iran.

Diplomacy is a way of communicating. Some people like treaties, oil, money, contracts, jobs, some only understand military force. So, don't say something you don't mean....and don't listen to the US State Department.

Posted by: alaskan1000 at February 1, 2007 1:09 PM

S_SGT7 When I said "6 months tops" I meant Iraq. I agree with you that this is going to be a looonng one between Islam and the rest of the world.

Posted by: walterc at February 1, 2007 1:25 PM

As long as there are no serious retaliation against Iran, - America, Europe and some Asian countries will never have a chance of being taken for full again. Think about it.

Freedom wil be washed away with our blood instead.

Posted by: Arnie at February 1, 2007 1:27 PM

"maybe you could put down the pen, pick up the sword--lend a hand..."
-- from a posting above

I've given at the office, so to speak -- in more ways than one.

Posted by: Hugh at February 1, 2007 1:35 PM

Just read an interview Gondoleeza Rice gave to German 'Der Spiegel'.

SPIEGEL Interview with Condoleezza Rice: "We Feel We Have a Responsibility to the World"

http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,461247,00.html

any comments?

Posted by: Arnie at February 1, 2007 1:49 PM

Nuke those bastards.
Nuke them and make an example of them for other Islamic countries getting emboldened by the day.
Just like they wanted to example for Muslims by beheading a muslim soilder in UK.
That is only solution to put fear and a sense of whats right and wrong in their pedphpile written koran.
Would not harm to nuke-bomb border of pakistan where all terorists take refuge so other ocuntries will think twice before taking/giving refuge.
Sorry to say this but of late I am loosing my mild mannered secular nature of past when I see these crazy fanatic wanting our blood.
It is better to be safe than sorry and if we let them grow in their jihadistic ideas,then someday we will be sorry.

Posted by: Indiana_jones at February 1, 2007 1:51 PM

Tom: I like your style, dammit.

Posted by: counterjihadi at February 1, 2007 2:11 PM

Iran will continue chipping away at our efforts in Iraq and elsewhere. We will continue to use bluff and bluster, threats and more threats. "Step across this line; I dare you. OK, Now step across this line; I dare you. OK, Now . . ." as long as Iran keeps their subversion low key, nothing will be done.

Posted by: Pelayo at February 1, 2007 2:15 PM

Iran has been at war with us for decades. We have been attacked over, and over again. Time for some reprisals. Turn every nuclear site into a crater. Destroy all of thier oil infrastructure, destroy every military base, destroy every port, destroy every government building. In the end destroy everything related to thier economy, and central government. Once thier air defences are knocked out blanket them 24/7 untill they behave.

Posted by: Ameriki at February 1, 2007 2:37 PM

Jpost article on possible US strike

"According to analyst Shmuel Bar of the Institute for Policy and Strategy at the Herzliya Interdisciplinary Center in Israel, an American strike would only trigger the Iranian regime's primordial survival impulse. This would almost certainly result in a full-scale Iranian assault on Kuwaiti and Saudi oil fields, in an attempt to exact a price that would dissuade the West from carrying its assault to the point of regime change, he told The Jerusalem Post."

Raw Story take on it

quote

A U.S. military official in the Gulf likened the U.S.-Iran standoff to the buildup in hostility in Europe before World War I, when the assassination of an Austrian archduke sparked a war based on alliances of multiple European powers, the AP said.

"A mistake could be made and you could end up in something that neither side ever really wanted, and suddenly it's August 1914 all over again," the U.S. officer told AP on condition of anonymity, because of the sensitivity of the issue. "I really believe neither side wants a fight."

end quote

If you can do a ground invasion and get a quick win with low losses, to choose another form of conflict is foolishness to a power. Only Bush is that stupid.

The only safe option is an immediate ground invasion of Iran. That eliminates their counter strike. They will counter strike against Nimitz class carriers which have 5700 people on them. We lost 200 killed in the ground invasion of Iraq.

re Thomas Holsinger on “The Case for Invading Iran”

Posted by: Old Atlantic at February 1, 2007 2:55 PM

We lost 241 killed in the Marine Barracks in Lebanon hiding.

We lost under 200 killed in a ground invasion of Iraq.

Posted by: Old Atlantic at February 1, 2007 2:59 PM

Well if the Irainians decided to gather in mass anywhere ,outside of Iran, that would be check and mate for us wouldnt it? What are they going to do send human waves in? I have a hard time seeing any Iranian force lasting long in the open. As long as we don't occupty them we could have our way with thier government and economy. Without money the Russian arms suppliers will dry up fast. We'd have a hard time occupying them, but we could desroy thier nuclear infrastructure and economy. With internal chaos I doubt they will have the money or time to meddle like they have in our affairs.

Posted by: Ameriki at February 1, 2007 3:09 PM

"U.S. warns Iran ...... Iran should cease and desist." BOO!

There that should put the fear into them!

Posted by: sounder at February 1, 2007 3:22 PM

The Sunburn - Iran's Awesome Nuclear Anti-Ship Missile

"The Weapon That Could Defeat The US In The Gulf"

Reviews dangers of Russian Sunburn as well as past incidents of use of exocets against US and UK ships.

" During the Falklands War, French-made Exocet missiles, fired from Argentine fighters, sunk the HMS Sheffield and another ship. And, in 1987, during the Iran-Iraq war, the USS Stark was nearly cut in half by a pair of Exocets while on patrol in the Persian Gulf."

Posted by: Old Atlantic at February 1, 2007 4:05 PM

"Without money the Russian arms suppliers will dry up fast." --by Ameriki

Yes, in one sense, but if the war is between the US and a combine China and Russia, then, the answer is no.

Take Vietcong for an example:
The vietcong did not have oil or money, but the supply of modern arms kept coming in to them.

Next, you may ask me, "How did the Vietcong pay for it?"

Answer:
After the war, the were waves of Vietnamese labors, who used to fight as soldiers had no work or food after the war, had to go to Russia, to work only for food, in the USSR fatories, which was almost prison labor, for underpinning the USSR's economy for a moment, until the econmy completely collapsed.

When the USSR disappeared, the Vietnamese in Russia, stayed and most of them have no money or jobs, and can't afford to go back to Vietnamese where there is nothing to hope for; however, the new generation of Vietnamese do the buy and sell of cheap Chinese products on Russian street. Though this has nothing to do with pay back for what the Vietcong owed.

Still the next question, "The how the Vietcong pay back?"

Answer:
The Vietcong no longer have to pay anything back because, the USSR no longer exist.

How about the Vietnamese in Russia today?
Not a problem, Russia does give them wealthfair--none, zip! They can eat or die; it makes no difference to the new Russia.

Posted by: ssa at February 1, 2007 4:11 PM

Seems we got our hands full what would you guys suggest we do? Once they get the nuke there are no go backs or do overs or we shoulda's.

Posted by: Ameriki at February 1, 2007 4:36 PM

We catch and release, they lop off heads and legs and arms on opposite sides.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3359485,00.html

Posted by: Carolyn2 at February 1, 2007 4:37 PM

Ameriki

Please go back to read my posting from yesterday under Robert's news posting, Russia-Iran Alliance"

Posted by: ssa at February 1, 2007 4:52 PM

Iraq lasted all of 6 weeks. General Tommy Franks showed exactly what the US Armed forces are capable of.

everything else is a result of "fixing what we broke".

When action is taken it will be all we can do not to stop operations befor world preasure builds to stop it.

I see no advantages haveing a campaine that Graduality builds in intensity. Iran can be expected to respond in any way they can. Iran would need an overwhelming first strike to render them impotent.

Extracting what in effect would be an unconditional surrended from them through the air will not be easy.

Iran will do all it can to drag Israel into the conflict. The real question to answer is if the Sunnis view Iran as a bigger threat over Israel.

Condemnation from Europe is about all the support we can expect. Considering the real possibility the "Europeans" will be forced to confront reality when riots break out.

Europe is hard to get a handle on. For Centurys they hacked and stabbed each other over one Ideal after another. Now they are faced with an outside threat offering the same dismal future that all the other conflicts offered. Only now their Ideals seem not to matter. If they even have any anymore.

There should be more to Life in Europe than hating America and Israel, while pretending the Muslims love them,

I would bet that a European Bulb grower producing cut blossoms has better security from the Rodents that would eat the flowers, than the population as a whole who have their heads as deeply rooted in the Sand as the bulbs are.

Posted by: flowerknife_us at February 1, 2007 4:59 PM

Iran is going to defeat the U.S. with Exocets?

Excuse me, did anyone ever hear of a boomer? Have any idea where some of them have their missiles programed to land? Iran may have all kinds of "dirty tricks" up their sleeve but when the hammer is dropped they are going to squeal like a pig. Too bad it needs to come to that but it will and the sooner the better for mankind.

Posted by: pismopal at February 1, 2007 5:08 PM

ssa I have read many of your posts you have a keen analysis. I also read some of your life story you have seen much and adapted to much. I must say your English is exellent. Anyways thanks for pointing that out it was a good perspective. May I ask what country you are from?

Posted by: Ameriki at February 1, 2007 5:18 PM

Mahmoud: "Operator, connect me to the Guardian Council, please...Thanks"

Operator, laconically: "Guardian Council. State your business."

Mahmoud: "Hello, this is President Ahmadinejad. I need to talk to the Supreme Leader, right away. . . . No, I don't think I should hold."

Ali, with some irritation: "Ayatollah Khamenei here. This had better be good! I was just researching Britney Spears videos in preparation for my upcoming fatwa on Robert Spencer and..."

Mahmoud, interrupting: "Listen, I've got some urgent news for you."

Ali: "Go ahead, Mahmound. You sound a bit fidgety--not really like you. What's up, anyhow?"

Mahmoud, fumbling for words: "Well ... it's basically what you'd call a... sort of ... 'good news and bad news' ... type of situation ... really."

Ali: "Okay already, so start with the good news."

Mahmound: "Well, you know all those playful threats I was making about wiping Israel off the map and wreaking vengeance on the Great Satan? Well, Allah be praised, the yankee infidels have fallen into our clever trap. They could not stand the humilation, Allah be praised! The crusader Bush is launching a preemptive attack on Iran--the fool!"

Ali: "I knew it! Those arrogant Zionist lackeys could not resist the bait--they will soon feel the wrath of Allah! ... Prepare the Army to counterattack! ... But you said there was bad news, too?"

Mahmound: "Well, our spies in Missouri and Washington figured out that the American strike force has only one airplane."

Ali, defiantly: "No ground troops? Hah, those impotent yankee fools think they can scare us with their fancy expensive air weapons with the demonic infidel nose art! A little fire and smoke from their pathetic "smart bombs" doesn't scare us! Don't they know that we cherish death? Let them come! And prepare to counterattack!"

Mahmound: "It's a B-2..."

Ali: "Oh. . . . "

Mahmoud: "...about seven minutes away, if our calculations are right."

Ali: "Well ... what do you recommend we do? It doesn't look like there's time to get another message down the well to the 12th Imam and..."

Mahmoud, picking up the pace now: "Under the circumstances, I think some special prayers would be the best thing--you know, to make sure Allah knows we are with him all the way, and so he will stand behind us to ultimate victory in the battle against the crusaders. ... But, just to be on the safe side, we probably should skip the ablutions."

Ali: "Good idea."

Mahmoud, lapsing into nostalgic reflection and for a moment forgetting the time pressure, blathers on: "Another quick thing that might help you out a bit here. Remember my last trip to the U.N. in New York, you know, when I mesmerized the audience with my green aura? After that speech, I was able to sneak out of the U.N. building--disguised in a burqa--and I did a little quick shopping before my flight out of Dar al Harb. Before those stupid infidels knew it, I had picked up a whole case of double thick aluminum foil! The stuff was even on sale at Sam's Club--and they sold it to me no questions asked. The idiots never suspected a thing! There's a big roll of it in the file cabinet in the communications room--you know, the office where you fax out the death fatwas."

Ali: "Great! I'll run over and get it as soon as we hang up."

Mahmoud, continuing: "One tip: It works better to use two separate pieces of foil, you know, a kind of a longish rectangular piece for your penis, and a kind of squarish clumpy one for the testicles."

Ali: "Terrific! Thanks. I have noticed that you're always thinking ahead--ten steps ahead of those Zionists schemers. And always thinking about the welfare of your brothers in Islam. I just want you to know I think you have been a great servant of Allah. Mohammed (pbuh) would be proud!"

Mahmoud, nervously: "Thanks... Well, I better get going, now. See you on the other side. Allahu Akbar!"

Ali: "Allah Ak....."

The phone goes dead.

Posted by: Stendec at February 1, 2007 5:53 PM

Americki,

I hear you, but I am keeping the card close to my chest.

Please exuce me.

Posted by: ssa at February 1, 2007 5:55 PM

:-) no excuses need completely understand.

Posted by: Ameriki at February 1, 2007 6:04 PM

Ameriki,

My fellow, it is no matter.
If you love Christ, we will meet before His throne.

The US Navy taught me one valuable lesson; that is, "Keep your card close to your chest and stay far away from the brig."

Posted by: ssa at February 1, 2007 6:25 PM

THE need of the time is an USA-Europe-Israeli-Indian axis (or call it Christian-Jews-Hindu axis) to battle the cancer of Jihad becasue if not controlled now it will spread and spread and one day it may be too late.

In short all these religion dont hate each other, but Islam hates all these three religion and uniting is neccasry to fight the cancer

Posted by: Indiana_jones at February 1, 2007 6:34 PM

Pismopal, US submarines have the capability to launch cruise missiles. I also believe that some subs have tridents with conventional warheads.

The Iranians will be at the mercy of out subs.

Posted by: Pelayo at February 1, 2007 7:28 PM

And would anyone like Churchill or Teddy Roosevelt have consulted lawyers to ask them how the US Army should conduct the war?
Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at February 1, 2007 11:53 AM

No. They were real men. They were warriors. They crawled before no one and when they faced possible death and defeat staring them in the face they just stared back with a smile cold as ice, and said "Come get some." They knew that the rule of law ends when you are dealing with savages. Then the only law is that of the gun. God, I wish we had the old "Rough Rider" back right now. My reaction would be "We're saved!!!"

Posted by: A.I. Steamroller at February 1, 2007 8:14 PM

No. They were real men. They were warriors. They crawled before no one and when they faced possible death and defeat staring them in the face they just stared back with a smile cold as ice, and said "Come get some."

Nonsense! Yes Churchill was a warrior..in an armchair. I never recall from all the history I read - of him going to any Front.

Instead, it was the common people that fought. I do admire all the Leaders and General that faced daeth with their men..in front of them!

Posted by: allat at February 2, 2007 10:44 AM

We;;. Teddy Roosevelt did fight - but where is bush and his daughters?

Posted by: allat at February 2, 2007 10:45 AM

Didn't Winston Churchill serve on the North West Frontier in 1896/7, Sudan in 1897/8 and in South Africa in 1899/1900?

Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at February 2, 2007 1:06 PM

Great post Stendec! Does anyone really believe that Russia will not be held accountable if their creation (the sunburn cruise missile) is used against our ships by Iran? Putin knows where the USA's ICBMs are still targeted.

Posted by: Drewbenstein at February 3, 2007 1:45 AM