The idea that these folks are going to be rational is a pipe dream. Islam is a tool of domination. It began that way and it will end as people see it is a tool of domination.

All of history shows that every nation, every empire, from the Aztecs to the Zulus, the Arab empire, China, America, etc. come into being via the conquest and subjugation (often the extermination) of some recently "native" peoples. Islam was/is the tool, the chief rationalizing force used by the Arabs (and then others)to make "holy" the usual domination and exploitation of nations/others. This pattern writes in large script what is inherent to individual human nature. (It's about domination, stupid.)

Human beings must be given good beliefs in order to exploit/dominate others with a good conscience. It appears to me that is Islam is in fact the most rational cover/tool for exploitation/domination in history. It's perfect to that purpose.

The students are expressing the will to dominate that is inherent in Islam. They will continue to do so. Islam is a rationalization for supremacism and domination. Mr. Pipes was being conquered and made to feel subdued. The students know (instinctively) that reason is their enemy. The game is over once this belief-system is subjected to critical analysis.

Posted by: Frank at February 2, 2007 5:40 AM

Islam ????The religion of peace.
They want not a word said against them even if it is valid points backed by susbtantial proof.

Well anyway by Islamic standards this was atleast a peaceful protest---- and I mean by Islamic standards not by civilised standards.

Posted by: Indiana_jones at February 2, 2007 5:50 AM

Christianity is not really a good tool of domination and conquest (though the Spaniards tried that in the Americas). I have wondered why. I think the reason is that it was the religion of the conquered in the Roman Empire. It broke the violence of the Germanic conquerors.

Islam is the perfect tool for domination (Hitler was right when he noted that). The students are dominating with a clear conscience and they will blame their victims as they do so. Expect no rationality from them. Rational analysis of Islam is a danger to Muslims because it will burst the bubble of "holiness" that covers the will to exploitation/domination that is at its root.

Posted by: Frank at February 2, 2007 5:51 AM

l attended last night the talk on terrorism in islam hosted by the Baptist Church in Windsor. they handed out little blue cards, saying no paperwork to be passed out, no loud talkig over speaker, etc. well they had several young thugs of muslims persuaion attending up front, and they just looked pissed all through the speakers talk. the ex PLO operative spoke of his childhood, and how he came to leave it islam and now a Christian. The speaker quoted from the Koran, about killing Jews etc. the muslims were squirming at this point.
before leaving there were prayers, and most people were respectful and stood silent, but the ugly muslim students sat and looked miserable. l noticed a very smug liberal couple sitting through the prayers, when all were standing ect. this elite looking couple were liberal snobs, probably thinking superior to the Christians who openly sang and prayed thanking God and Jesus. now l can see how most of these elites will never be able to stop islam, but only those people with a belief system stronger than islam, such as Christians, Jews,Hindus can defeat islam.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at February 2, 2007 5:53 AM

The attendants should find the next muslim public protest - bring about 200 people and shout anti-bomb belts, anti-terrorists, anti-beheadings, anti-hate.

Posted by: The Goobs at February 2, 2007 5:54 AM

I am a Jewish student at UC Irvine and wanted to attend the lecture but a class lasting until 7pm, when his talk started, ran a little late. Nevertheless, waiting across the street from the main campus at around 9 or so waiting for a bus I could clearly hear about 20 Muslims walking by mindlessly shouting the takbir like zombies. As they walked by I heard no less than a couple shouts of "jihad". :) Not exactly the type of people that make one feel safe sitting at night.

It is because of the MSU (Muslim Student Union) and their idiotic daily rants that I've learned to take shortcuts through the park to go to class instead of the main road. Even when they're not inviting hate speakers, you can't escape hearing the adhan as they prayer towards the administration building, which is curiously in the direction of Mecca (though it's double signifigance is very ironic: i'm sure the way teh school defends the exercise of their "freedom of speech" like at the Daniel Pipes lecture one could functionally say that they have taken over the school, just like at the end of Pipes' lecture he discusses how Western Muslims wish to take over the US and other democracies from within and make them Islamic.

And the funny thing about the MSU is they selectively decide when to and when not to support freedom of speech. When they invite jihadist speakers who talk right near the flagpoles where a large portion of the student population walks past to get to class every day, it is a sacred right. But, if you watch the videos posted from Wednesday night about what the MSU discussed after walking out, if they don't like what other people say, not only do they not have the same freedom to speak, but the Muslims' "freedom of speech' includes the very right to PREVENT others from speaking.

By the way, as watching the applause at the end of the lecture will indicate, this school and many others have not already submitted as dhimmis to Muslim student groups. But what definately doesn't help is that the non-Muslim leftist groups have likewise already picked their side. And they picked the wrong one.

Posted by: Matityahu613 at February 2, 2007 5:56 AM

The Daniel Pipes speech want on so the disruption was impotent. The speech was not canceled. The fascists of the ummah lose this round

Posted by: dennisw at February 2, 2007 5:57 AM

ZenaWarriorPrincess-

The more I think of the dynamics of Islam, the way in which ALL nations empires come into existence (violence, exploitation, extermination of some "native" peoples), the more I admire the genius of Mohammad. It is the perfect tool for rationalizing domination/exploitation of others. It's perfect. Hitler was right re that.

Guys like Robert have to be very careful. He is a rationalist/analysis oriented type. Folks like him are a real danger to many Muslims. The last thing they want is guys like Robert hauling out texts, calling for discussions, critical examination, etc.-LOL

Posted by: Frank at February 2, 2007 6:08 AM

People like Hitler-Himmler/Nazis saw history as a biological struggle of a people to conquer, dominate, exploit, and exterminate "natives" in order to set-up a nation/empire. This is indeed the pattern of the set-up of all nations, empires, in history. However, Hitler knew that common folks need to have a clear conscience in doing that. That is why he and other Nazis said that Islam was compatible with Nazi ideology and why the Nazis hated Christianity, which Hitler and the Nazis saw as religion of passive values, the religion of a conquered people. (It was the religion of the conquered in the Roman Empire.)

Islam is indeed the perfect rationalization for supremacism and makes holy the will to dominate. I never thought I would agree with Hitler-LOL.

Posted by: Frank at February 2, 2007 6:34 AM

Matityahu613-

Hang in there, pal. Don't let the bastards dominate you.

Posted by: Frank at February 2, 2007 6:57 AM

Muslims have no right to be in America to begin with, let alone attend any of our universities. In the first place, they are all enemies by their own admission. Second, they will learn nothing as they are too stupid to begin with. I can say this because these are same retarded cretins who claim the earth is flat and balanced on mountains, that the muslim call to prayer is screamed on the moon, and the sun descends into a muddy pool of water each night. Were they not one of the so-called "politically correct groups" protected by the masochistic, suicidal fools of the liberal campus academics, they would have been literally laughed off campus by the science departments. They are not interested in science or engineering at all except in matters of bomb-making. I remember the muslim freaks at my old university with their ratty beards and beady, little eyes. They were skinny, bad-smelling little guys with who always sat clustered togeather, alone and away from everybody else and perpetually glared at the "infidels" who dared to sit in the same room with them without asking their permission. It was laughable to see them so powerless even with all their arrogance. Most of us "infidels" were much bigger and stronger then them and they knew it so they steered clear. It must have really grated on them. Heh, heh, heh......

Posted by: A.I. Steamroller at February 2, 2007 7:06 AM

Truthfully, any immigrant does not have the right to protest, until he or she is a citizen. Obviously, our government has down-played the law, which allows extremetism to exist. Islamic relations will never exist, and that's Islam's law. We can pretend or wish it away, but the facts are facts. Send -em HOME !

Posted by: Jeff at February 2, 2007 7:20 AM

While watching all those muslim students walk out of the auditorium I couldn't help but think "If only they'd similarly walk out of the West." Pity it isn't that easy.

Posted by: dodemployee at February 2, 2007 8:09 AM

I am surprised that CAIR and other muslim freaks haven't tried to close this website down. It wouldn't surprise me if one day - this was no more.

Posted by: s_sgt7 at February 2, 2007 06:09 AM

The beauty of the Internet is that if this did happen we can all check out other blogs-several of the posters to this site have great sites of their own that I check out. Not only that, but I'm sure those running this site will simply start up a new site.

As for the disruptive actions of Islamaniacs in the US it is no surprise. I'm becoming more convinced that Islam is NOT a religion but another political philosophy of totalitarianism worse than any other that seeks total world conquest. It merely calls itself a religion to fool people.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at February 2, 2007 8:11 AM

I guess when you can't counter someone else's opinion with intelligent, reasoned arguments, all you can do is try to stop him from speaking.

All these thugs have managed to do is to prove Pipes's thesis that we are witnessing a crash between civilization and barbarism.

I know that Spencer et al disagree with Pipes's distinction between "Islamists" and "non-Islamist" Muslims and I agree with Spencer's arguments, but Pipes's address in London at Red Ken Livingstone's conference is full of excellent analysis;

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=26735

Posted by: waterdragon52 at February 2, 2007 8:15 AM

One thing that strikes me about Islam and its dynamics of domination is its use of projection, the blaming of its victims, in order to disguise its self-serving as disinterested principal. For example, they project with regard to the ideology of Zionism. But Zionism is really a defensive ideology, it is not primarily a tool of domination. Thus former Jewish Dhimmis in the Mideast (who comprise about 50% of Jewish people in Israel) or victims of Nazi style-domination flee to Israel for defensive reasons.

The truth is that if all the Jewish people in Israel were comprised of only those who were former Dhimmis in the Mideast, Muslims would still seek to anhilate the Jewish state. Islam must dominate. Islam is a rationalization and makes "holy" the will to dominate and Muslims will project that will to domination on their victims. It's a belief-system that, at its worst, promotes paranoia, delusions of persecution and delusions of grandeur.

Critical analysis is an absolute danger to Islam. I'm sure many Muslims know that.

Posted by: Frank at February 2, 2007 8:22 AM

Yes Frank, you are quite right that critical analysis is a danger to Islam. It is noticed quite clearly that right from its inception, Islam has been an ENFORCED religion, rather than a freely existing and self-propagating religion. So, just like it began will it end--WITH A BANG.

Posted by: proud-hindu at February 2, 2007 8:50 AM

Matityahu613,
I recommend calling the Orange County Sheriffs, they don’t take any crap from anyone. You might have heard of their leader Mike Carona, he has been out front in the arrest and deportation of illegals. I am sending a link to them and to my rep regarding this BS, and I don’t think he and his department will be too happy about it. These islamists aren’t welcome here as you can see by the audience reaction. They also know the people who live here wont take it either, so if you have trouble just try to find other residents in the area to help you. It isn’t like the TV show here you know, OC is a notoriously patriotic group of people which isn’t surprising given that half the county are ex military. The police already know they are here, why, I told them so long ago. They might have thought at the time that I was a little nuts but not any more.

Posted by: tgusa at February 2, 2007 8:55 AM

Initially, I'm inclined to suggest that our Judeo/Christian Laws and orderly rules of conduct in society be imposed on such rogue students by hiring a couple dozen off-duty police officers prior to such lectures. But Daniel Pipes' patience in the long run actually serves a real purpose to better educate the larger portion of the audience through the practical experience of actually observing potentially violent actions by Muslims, the same behavior that Daniel Pipes is describing in lecture. The Muslim students' behavior is one thread away from yelling fire in a theater, which is against the law and not free speech. Such behavior is an early sign. In time it would grow to throwing objects, violence etc. Globally throughout history Islam has always had to be externally policed, pushed back, held in check or reduced via external forces.

Posted by: Report at February 2, 2007 9:08 AM

Dr Pipes is inaccurate (in video posted above by Robert) when he says that peace occurs between groups at war with each other when one sides decides to give up. This is just not enough. As military historians can tell you, you have peace only when one side is (a) physically & mentally devastated to the extent it has no longer has the will to fight, and (b), the losing side overtly announces surrender. This occurred with Germany & Japan in WWII after tens of millions of war dead. This (a) above did not occur in Iraq where the US did not go in as conquerors to win but to naively establish a democracy among three factional Muslims groups. This is also why peace is not occurring with the Israel-Palestinians conflict (a low level war really). Israel is able to devastate its enemy but unwilling to do so while the Palestinian Muslims are willing to devastate Israel but are just not able. Hence that war continues indefinitely.

Posted by: FM at February 2, 2007 9:09 AM

Is that right that UC IrVine is a university with asians in the majority ? I heard that 60% of the university students are Asians ( Chinese , Vietnamese , Korean , Japanese , PHIlipino's). But There are not many muslim students at the University ,and Mmslim students seem to be very politically active there

Posted by: kungfu_100 at February 2, 2007 9:10 AM

Can't the campus police identify those who disrupt gatherings? Can't they then be investigated and stripped of any financial aid, or expelled? Is there nothing the university can do to prevent such disruption, or does the Administration, at Irvine, or the government, in Sacramento, that provides the funds and presumably has oversight of the state college system, not wish to enforce its will, is it for some reason fearful of doing so? Storm troopers come in all varieties, and need to be stopped early, in their tracks, and those who support them and their tactics made to suffer.

Posted by: Hugh at February 2, 2007 9:32 AM

Yes there are many oriental Asians in OC. Lots of Vietnamese, after all this is where Little Saigon is. I have done a lot of work for them in the past and they are good Americans. I nave coached some of their kids in the past, they are polite, respectful, dependable and hard working. We also have a large number of South African whites that emigrated here. I am pretty sure most of them took up residence in Irvine. For any of you who don’t know Irvine, it has long been known that there is a hand gun in almost every nightstand in the city, but that only adds to the arsenal that already exists here. All in all they have picked the wrong county to screw around with. Just ask any Iranians who were here during the 79 hostage crisis. In addition, I believe that the first OC resident killed in Iraq was an oriental asian, god bless him and his family.

Posted by: tgusa at February 2, 2007 9:33 AM

The truth is that now that Islam is being exposed for what it is, it does not suprise me that Daniel Pipes is going to have protestors show up and try to disrupt, because he is simply speaking the truth.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at February 2, 2007 10:09 AM

Good grief, I have never seen big cry babies such as these students, not only they were rude, but they had showed their true colors.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at February 2, 2007 10:23 AM

UCI campus security,
949-824-5223
Give em a ring, let them know that you know where the islamists can be found. Tell them that they are only a small campus in the middle of millions of hard working residents and if any of our children or any one else is harmed by your policies, there will be hell to pay. Who do these campuses think they are an island unto themselves? In my opinion they pose a dangerous threat to any who live in the area.
Here is a link to the OCSD,
http://www.ocsd.org/

Posted by: tgusa at February 2, 2007 10:28 AM

Welcome to the new protest style of the 21st century, the walkout.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at February 2, 2007 11:08 AM

How about a little prayer for the 'slamists,

Lord they'e broken Your laws,
Destruction is in all their ways,
Their god is their appetite,
Their children are sacrificed in the fire,
Lord, reveal yourself to them,
Let them see Jesus and fall on their knees,
Praying for forgiveness.
Save them from themselves.
Only You can do it Lord,
No one but you.

Posted by: daviebabie at February 2, 2007 11:18 AM

Can't the campus police identify those who disrupt gatherings? [...]

Posted by: Hugh at February 2, 2007 09:32 AM

Of course, they can if they want to, but if the riots at Concordia U in Montreal a few years back are any example, chances are good that a lot of the participants aren't students at UC Irvine.

One of the ringleaders at Concordia was actually a professional agitator, Jaggi Singh. (I have no idea if he is a Muslim convert or if he is simply an "anti-globalization" loon.)

For all we know the thugs at UC Irvine are members of the ISM, which is very organized active in California.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at February 2, 2007 11:28 AM

When push comes to shove, there will be Leftists (extreme ones--communists, socialists, trotzktyites [trotzkisten])and even Liberals (not as left as Leftists) who will join with Moslems in violent strife within our country.

These Leftists will have to be treated as we will treat the Islamics.

UCI is rife with Islamics (Daniel Pipes' "Islamists")

Lotsa eggs'll have to be cracked. (Old Leftist saying, now turned about: "You can't make an omlette without cracking eggs.")

Posted by: unicorns62000 at February 2, 2007 12:54 PM

While I definitely don't agree with the Muslim student union, their politics, their beliefs etc (especially at the end saying "Israel will be wiped off the map" etc) what they did was a perfectly legitimate form of civil disobedience. It was completely non-violent, their point was made, and they got a lot of attention to their cause (notice: the place basically cleared out and several people followed them to where they made their speech).

If Muslims around the world went from violence, using terrorism and waging "jihad" to protesting non-violently like they did here, we would have nothing to worry about.

Posted by: Qualis Rex at February 2, 2007 1:02 PM

Go ahead and ignore it. Civil disobedience, yeah we see the civil societies they come from. You are a fool that will someday say, why are you going to kill me, I thought you just wanted the Jews wiped out? Yes it is people like you who will get our daughters enslaved, all of our rights destroyed, in the name of so called civil disobedience. You won’t be protesting anything if they ever gain control. I think freedom has gone to your head, do you even understand what it means to be a decent citizen? Read what some of our great leaders of the past said about divided loyalties. So, as long as they peacefully enslave us everything is A ok? The Boston Massacre was civil disobedience, familiar with the outcome of that? And what about Mr. Pipes rights to hold an event and have people attend in good faith? No, the usual tactics are in play here, sneaky, underhanded and in total disregard of anyone elses freedoms.

Posted by: tgusa at February 2, 2007 1:27 PM

If this is the Tactic they are going to us then we need a counter point. The remaining guests should chant something simple as protesters walk out, Like.

Go Home, Go Home, Go Home.

The point should be made to them quite clearly that our Constitution will not be altered so as to accomidate their Religous decrees

There will be no picking and choosing what aspect of our Constitution they are willing to abide by.

It is all of it or...

Go Home!

Posted by: flowerknife_us at February 2, 2007 2:58 PM

I read a few comments but lack of time does not allow me to read them all but it reminds of the liberal at work who told me I was intolerant because of the title on Spencer's newest book, just for reading it. I did not want to argue with him because of the PC nature of my job but I invited him to chat over it at a coffee shop, but he rejected my offer. Later, I found out he was telling other people about the book I was reading and no doubt how hateful and intolerant I was towards Muslims, even though I spent five months in Turkey. He is so wrong!!!!
Just like the Muslims in this video I am sure my co-worker would have books such as "The Truth of Mohammad banned because it is hateful or hate speech.

Posted by: eaglecap at February 2, 2007 3:51 PM

eaglecap,
Back stabbing bushwackers. Your liberal co worker is perhaps the lowest life form on the planet. We have all seen the loser during our school days that makes things up about their classmates to be popular or sneaks around informing on their peers to curry favor with the teachers. They think they are honorable, they have no honor and I would bet they are yellow as well. The same kind of person who in an emergency would take shelter behind a baby. This is the same type of person that during WWII was likely to be the one who called the Gestapo to inform them of where the Jews were hiding. I cannot tell you what a despicable individual this kind is, there are no words to describe it.

Posted by: tgusa at February 2, 2007 4:11 PM

A staged walk-out implies that those who walked out planned to walk out no matter what the speaker said. These jihadists and their useful idiot partners are only discrediting themselves, showing that they pass judgement before even knowing exactly what it is that they are judging.

We have also come across, on other occasions, some anti-jihadists who heckle the talks put on by the smooth-talking taqiyya masters.* This is counterproductive. Anti-jihadists should come prepared with facts, pay keen attention to what is said, and stick to the prescribed format during the question/comments period at the end. On a fair playing field, we (anti-jihadists armed with facts, arguments, and counterarguments) will win.

*(These incidents, of course, do not have anywhere near the level of planning and personnel as are involved when the jihadists and useful idiots team up).

Posted by: Kab bin Ashraf at February 2, 2007 5:14 PM

waterdragon52

"chances are good that a lot of the participants aren't students at UC Irvine."

Unfortunately, speaking from personal knowledge as a student at UCI, the vast majority of the Islamists such as the Muslim Student Union thugs from Wednesday night are indeed students here. Which only makes the problem greater. Certainly the MSU calls in reinforements such as jihadist speakers, the most repeatedly invited and notorious among them being Amir Abdel Malik Ali http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/004938.php . (In fact, this past Tuesday, the day before Daniel Pipes' lecture, Ali was blaberring on about the evils of the American government right at the flagpoles near the administration building where large numbers of student walk past to get to class. Apparently the jihadists' "freedom of speech" gives them the "right" invite the most extremist speakers undisrupted but their same "freedom" includes the "right" to deny Jewish and anti-jihadists groups the same ability). However, the MSU, though certainly funded and supported by the Wahabbi lobby through its organs throughout America, has enough zombie members that it doesn't have to bring Muslims from elsewhere to cause havoc. Though I couldn't make it to the lecture on Wednesday, however, I have heard from friends in Jewish circles that the event was a huge success and certainly a good start in ridding the campus of jihadism. Just watch the reception of the remaining audience at the conclusion of the lecture on the videos. The MSU definately has allies on the left, but still the situation is hardly worth giving up on.

Posted by: Matityahu613 at February 2, 2007 5:45 PM

kungfu_100
"Is that right that UC IrVine is a university with asians in the majority ? I heard that 60% of the university students are Asians ( Chinese , Vietnamese , Korean , Japanese , PHIlipino's). But There are not many muslim students at the University ,and Mmslim students seem to be very politically active there"

I've never bothered to find out exact percentages, but yes, certainly a plurality if not a majority of the student population is "Asian". However note that, as opposed to in the UK, where I believe that "Asian" is a euphemism for "Muslim", as you point out, in Southern California and probably most places in the US "Asian" refers to East Asians. Which brings us to a point: most people on campus don't care about the jihadist vs. anti-jihadist battle waging on, but the fact that the MSU won't shut up makes it very hard to ignore them and just go on with your lives.

As for the Muslims themselves, I'm not sure if their student population is that small, but as you point out, the very fact that they use their mouths 10 times more than their brains gives them power nevertheless when the administration, in the interest of "resolving conflict", defends their "freedom" to invite people who say hate speech, but isn't interested enough to prevent them from disrupting events like the Daniel Pipes lecture.

When I got back to campus on Monday I'm going to grab a school newspaper, for there's a very good chance that in an article, editorial or both there will be talk about the fisco on Wednesday. At that time, if you're really interested, you can do the same online here. http://www.newu.uci.edu/ What I'm worried about, however, is that the leftists who run the paper will be busy calling Pipes a hate speaker and defending the actions of MSU as some noble resistance of people who have the right to stop people from speaking whom they don't like. I would be very surprised if I see someone tell the truth about what happened and label for Islamists what they really are.

Posted by: Matityahu613 at February 2, 2007 5:56 PM

Hugh

"Can't the campus police identify those who disrupt gatherings? Can't they then be investigated and stripped of any financial aid, or expelled? Is there nothing the university can do to prevent such disruption, or does the Administration, at Irvine, or the government, in Sacramento, that provides the funds and presumably has oversight of the state college system, not wish to enforce its will, is it for some reason fearful of doing so? "

Continuing the line of thought from my last post, the administration has made it very clear that in the name of "neutrality" and "conflict resolution" they hypocritically will as a rule defend the rights of the MSU when they repeatedly invite hate speakers like Ali, but not do anything except hire security guards to prevent things from happening like they did last Wednesday night. It is not as much fear as much as it is political correctness, to answer your question. In the past few years Jewish groups have felt isolated and without support, and recently a diverse anti-jihadist coalition has been built that has started to do things like holding the Daniel Pipes event. It is definately a good start. But the Jewish and anti-jihadist community at UCI can not count on the administration to help us, and so we don't.

Posted by: Matityahu613 at February 2, 2007 6:01 PM

Frank, Tgusa

Advice taken. :) Certainly within the past few years many of us have come to the resolve that we indeed won't agree to be dominated so easily. From watching the video clips and seeing how the remaining crowd, certainly not all of them members of Hillel, who mainly sat in the front left and apparently including a large number of guests, the anti-jihadist groups on campus are becoming more and more empowered. Soon the wider campus will come to their senses and reject the MSU's reasoning that their "freedom of speech" does not include preventing others from exercising that same freedom. And since the MSU as you can see couldn't find anything to retort Pipes' logical arguments with except the takbir and a long list of "anti"s which they themselves are guilty of, soon they will run out of BS to say and everyone will realize it.

As for police, I have found that for a majority of these types of events are covered not by sherriffs or police but instead by hired security guards. The MSU held an event last year called "Holocaust in the Holy Land", which equated the Palestinian "sufferings" to the Holocaust, and included as an attempt to legitimize the event a few anti-Zionist Orthodox Jews. Anyway, the security guards just stood there and did nothing when the Muslims, who occupied the entire road that students use to get a class, intimidated and harassed both Jewish and non-Jewish students just walking by with their propaganda. However, there was expectedly a large contigent of guards diligently watching and supervising the booth raised by Hillel, which in contrast to the illegal harrassment by the Muslims simply had set up a counterprotest booth a large distance away. The next week, the vice chancellor hypocritically defend the school's conduct as the protection of "freedom of speech" (but who's) in the school newspaper. So perhaps you are right, bringing in the sheriffs to replace the terrible jobs of security guards might help.

Also, as Tgusa points out it is important to note that UCI is largely a leftist propaganda center in the midst of a city and county that won't so easily give in to that hate. Perhaps if we gathered grassroot anti-jihadist orginzation in the wider community that might help also.

Posted by: Matityahu613 at February 2, 2007 6:13 PM

Qualis Rex

"what they did was a perfectly legitimate form of civil disobedience. "

Are you sure, even from a simply legal standpoint, which is more lenient than the moral one? The traditional way to measure whether one has a right to something is "your rights end where mine begin." To what extent does teh UCI MSU have the right to express themselves when it disrupts, violates and prevents their opponents from doing the same? And shouldn't it matter that one side argues using reason and the other with the takbir?

s_sgt7

"Too bad the Irvine students, and other college students, don't do some reading on the subject and stop listening to muslims talk about their religion while they are in dar al sulh (state of disception before dar al harb (state of war)). Oh, they sort of forget to tell non-muslim youth about that part, and the other violent parts."

Well, that is happening, slowly but surely. This quarter a history class on Jews and Muslims is being taught and I am in it. Rather than peddling propaganda about the "Islamic Golden Age" and everything else that you would expect, the majority of the class, who are history majors with no prior knowledge of the particular subject, have already learned about Muhammad's genocide of the Medinan and Khyber Jews, the brutal conquests and consequent Arabisation and Islamisation, how a city that isn't of any importance to Islam (Jerusalem) is used by leftist and propagandists for their own purposes, and all about dhimmi status and how constraining and oppressive it was to Jews, Christians and Zoroastrians (who almost completly disappeared).

The two or so Muslim students (I think at least one of which was in the mob Wednesday night) rehash the expected Islamist, moral and culturally relativist and leftist apologetics, but the fact that the professor won't lie and that there are five or so of us that know what's really going on and are willing to defend it means that the Muslims' tired excuses are being defeated every Tuesday and Thursday and class. So see, something IS being done. :)

Posted by: Matityahu613 at February 2, 2007 6:22 PM

Watched the Stormtroopers again. Hitler was right: Islam is compatible with Nazism.(Got to do something about those Dhimmi Jews in Dr-al-Islam-isn't that right?, you superior moral Muslims you-LOL.)

Posted by: Frank at February 2, 2007 6:22 PM

Kab bin Ashraf

"A staged walk-out implies that those who walked out planned to walk out no matter what the speaker said. These jihadists and their useful idiot partners are only discrediting themselves, showing that they pass judgement before even knowing exactly what it is that they are judging."

That is certainly what happened, and what's more is that it was so obvious that the organizers of the event knew something of some sort would happen and were trying to prepare for it. Tuesday night, the night before the event, I got a forwarded email from the UCI Hillel clarifying that although the lecture would start at 7, doors would open at 6:30 and "the protestors" (wow, that's a nice way of putting it) were to meet at the flagpoles at 5:30. The purpose of the email was to get people to come as early as possible so to fill up as much of the auditorium as possible with anti-jihadists and Jews so that the MSU thugs would have minimal chances to make a disruption. Obviously, the disruption happened anyway, but the point is just that it was so obvious that tens of people wearing khefiyyas and shirts saying "UC Intifadah" (pun on UCI) were not going to just sit by and listen to Daniel Pipes talk reason. The more important question is: why did they have to be let in at all?

I encourage all of you to not only watch the full video on Daniel Pipes' website of his whole lecture but maybe even more importantly the videos where a Jewish friend that I know used his cameraphone and followed the Muslims outside to record their propoaganda.

Watch what happens and you must be nuts of you still think that Muslims have any sense of reason, intelligence, or individuality in them? Someone shouts "Daniel Pipes" and everyone takes a cue to open their mouths. Then outside, someone has to explain to them why they walked out - they have the right to intimidate people who they do not like. But if Muslims are rational human beings like anyone else, why do they need to be told why they did something? Then after calling for the destruction of Israel, whenever someone randomly shouts "takbir" they all shout in unison "Allahu Akbar!" Is this the way rational human beings act, or the way cult members act? Not once do you hear someone even trying to make a 1% rational response to anything that Daniel Pipes said. And imagining going to school with these people!!!

PS, if anyone wishes to tell our Muslim Student Union friends about what you think about their religion and their despicable actions, here are the relevant emails. http://msu-uci.com/?page=Contacts Be warned, however, one way that the MSU tries to gain sympathy and power is by complaining about how much hate mail they get.
:-D

Posted by: Matityahu613 at February 3, 2007 2:14 AM

Watching this video http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=5158780407631950723&hl=en makes it disgustingly apparent how big and important the Muslims think they are.

They chant "anti oppression", "anti hate", and "anti racism". Funny though that though none of these things are true of either Daniel Pipes or Israel, they are all true characteristics of both the MSU and Islam.

When they finally settle outside and finish with their zombie chants, someone explains that there was no reason to stay because Daniel Pipes was "freakin' boring". Regardless of how they view how he speaks and acts (which I don't find boring), does that make it ok to do what they did? Was it within their rights? Furthermore, does the fact that you find someone boring except you from giving a rational and logical response to his arguments, something which Muslims obviously don't think they need to do?

Then someone says, after explaining that the event was created to "garnish support for Israel", that "and by having a UNIVERSITY CAMPUS, which a bunch of students, ALL WALK OUT" (emphasis mine) and say that "this is trash, it's garbage", "deflates the morale of everyone in that room".

How idiotic?!?! The Muslims think they are the representatives of the university community! They think that when they do something like that it is the campus community that is rejecting the anti-jihadists, instead of the community realizing what the Muslims really are.

Then the speaker claims that hte people in the lecture are "pretty depressed right now" and that when they go home they will say "crap - we're in the middle of America, in Irvine, in Republican county, and hte F-ing campus, ALL HATES OUR GUTS."

But more absurdities!!! First of all, what idiots are the Muslims to think that they represent the whole campus. Surely some leftists tag along in Muslim stunts like this, but when they say something like this they are speaking of a school the way they think it SHOULD be - Islamic. Second of all, who was depressed? Watch this video http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7799137429880565337 that shows what goes in inside the room after the Islamics left. People are singing Zionist songs, laughing, applauding. What type of people do the Muslims think we are that we should be depressed because Muslims reject us? Leftists?

Someone states that indeed the state of Israel will be wiped off the face of the earth, someone yells "takbir" and they all chant "Allahu akbar" in mindless idiocy. He talks about "jihad" - that the walk out was their "way of struggling" -makes even more appropriate the incident's reporting on jihadwatch.

"And our brothers and sisters on the other side of the world, THEY'RE HANDLING BUSINESS IN THEIR OWN WAY." Now gee, what do you think this refers to?!?! What type of idiots are we when we believe them when they say that they don't support terrorists? Why do we treat them like we treat everyone else - everyone else who aren't bent on world domination?!?!

What really worries me is that when the weekly school newspaper comes out a representative of the MSU will write an editorial decieving the masses by saying that Pipes is a racist and hater and that it was within their "freedom of speech" to do what they did. It's all projection - the racists accuse their opponents of being racist, the oppressors accuse their victims of oppressing them, and the haters accuse the people they hate of hate. Though I'm sure that someone will also be denouncing the Islamist publicity stunt. Therefore that real thing to watch is if a regular article will be written covering the incident - and you can bet there will be - how will it deal with it? Will it be neutral or biased? And if the latter, biased towards who?

Muslim organizations are everything to a Muslim studying in an otherwise infidel university because as Islam is an all-totalitarian, all-encompassing lifestyle, a Muslim is a nobody without Islam. What if the MSU disappared? What would the Muslims do? How would they function as human beings now that no one is telling them what to do, how to act, what to feel, what to believe, and who to intimidate?

Daniel Pipes said that the will of the Palestinians needs to be crushed so that they will no longer fight. How should we respond to Islamists on campus? The same way.

Posted by: Matityahu613 at February 3, 2007 2:58 AM

We {humans} need to have people there advising those thar may want to get in of the tactics being employed by the mooslimes. Encourage them to wait, fill the empty seats as soon as they become vacant.

Posted by: screw'em at February 3, 2007 7:52 PM

Any moslim want sum in Pinellas cum get sum im sooooooooooo over this shit maybe cali but u better be ready for sum southern fried boys musiz get out or pay mofo this is the kihd of shit i like bring it deport um or waste em sorry for being real but no more bullshit me or you too bad we couldn"t shoot em at the door as they left oooooohhhhhhh thats anohter thing you maggots oohh well Bring the troops home when there"s no one left victory or no more moslemms then we can talk

Too basic, good, and powerful not to pass on. Steve

Subject: Fw: The Peaceful Majority

>
>
> I> I used to know a man whose family was German aristocracy prior to
> World
>> War Two. They owned a number of large industries and estates. I asked
>> him how many German people were true Nazis, and the answer he gave has
>> stuck with me and guided my attitude toward fanaticism ever since.
>>
>> "Very few people were true Nazis," he said," but many enjoyed the
> return
>> of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of
>> those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the
>> majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew
> it,
>> they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world had
>> come. My family lost everything, I ended up in a concentration camp
> and
>> the Allies destroyed my factories."
>>
>> We are told again and again by "experts" and "talking heads" that
> Islam
>> is the religion of peace, and that the vast majority of Muslims just
>> want to live in peace.
>>
>> Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely
>> irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better,
> and
>> meant to somehow diminish the specter of fanatics rampaging across the
>> globe in the name of Islam. The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam
> at
>> this moment in history.
>>
>> It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of
> 50
>> shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics who systematically
>> slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are
> gradually
>> taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the
> fanatics
>> who bomb, behead, murder, or honor kill. It is the fanatics who take
>> over mosque after mosque. It is the fanatics who zealously spread the
>> stoning and hanging of rape victims and homosexuals. The hard
>> quantifiable fact is that the "peaceful majority" is the "silent
>> majority" and it is cowed and extraneous.
>>
>> Communist Russia comprised Russians who just wanted to live in peace,
>> yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20
>> million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant. China's huge
>> population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to
> kill
>> a staggering 70 million people.
>>
>> The average Japanese individual prior to World War Two was not a
>> warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way
> across
>> South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic
>> murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel,
>> and bayonet. And, who can forget Rwanda, which collapsed into
> butchery.
>> Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were "peace
> loving"?
>>
>> History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our
>> powers of reason we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of
>> points:
>>
>> Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence.
>>
>> Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don't speak up,
>> because like my friend from Germany, they will awaken one day and find
>> that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have
> begun.
>>
>> Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs
>> Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many
>> others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until
> it
>> was too late.
>>
>> As for us who watch it all unfold; we must pay attention to the only
>> group that counts; the fanatics who threaten our way of life.
>>
>> Lastly, I wish to add: at the risk of offending someone, I sincerely
>> think that anyone who rejects this as just another political rant, or
>> doubts the seriousness of this issue or just deletes it without
> sending
>> it on, is part of the problem. Let's quit laughing at and forwarding
> the
>> jokes and cartoons which denigrate and ridicule our leaders in this
> war
>> against terror. They are trying to protect the interests and
> well-being
>> of the US and its citizens. Best we support them.
>>

Posted by: b2gator at February 4, 2007 3:25 AM