I fail to understand??
If they want to follow sharia law and do each and everythnig as per islam and if they want Islam way of life then why the hell do they want Britian or other countries to change?
Why the hell cant go back to the middle east countries.???
They wann stay here and enjoys all good thnigs of life like freedom of speech and then they just want the country to change and integrate rather than they integrate according to their adapted land????

I never supported the BNP but I guess now I will have to support the BNP becasue atleast they are 1000 times better then bieng unders Sharia law.

Posted by: Indiana_jones at February 2, 2007 7:06 AM

If by "police state," they mean the British people are finally going to kick them out of their land for planning to murder them and take away their country, that's a good thing!

Posted by: A.I. Steamroller at February 2, 2007 7:09 AM

Indiana Jones, your where I am, I will be voting BNP next election as they say it as it is and are the only people who will do what is required.

Posted by: Daffersd at February 2, 2007 7:09 AM

Stay calm, stay calm, this is an isolated incident by local criminals; no need to panic. "Why not smooth some delicious chocolate frosting on this cake, it'll make it taste better ?"

The problem is, it originated in this Islamic community, which means a considerable amount of acceptance by the constituents of this community, to allow this to go as far as it did. In short, the law calls this: Common Nuisance, which is a FELONY !

Posted by: Jeff at February 2, 2007 7:10 AM

I haven't even noticed, in the British media, a raised eyebrow concerning, let alone any criticism of, these aggressive claims for victim status by the Muslim community. The impression is given that their grievances have at least some rational basis and require sensitive handling by the authorities.Time and time again the news features interviews on the subject with Muslims as if theirs were the only views that mattered. It's difficult to gauge how much bottled up loathing for these brazenly insolent people there is among the majority population but I suspect it's considerable.

Posted by: wallyUK at February 2, 2007 7:28 AM

Muslims who don't like it here are welcome to leave any time they like. The sooner the better.

In the report, it states:

"West Midlands police held a public relations exercise in the area, distributing thousands of leaflets reassuring Muslims that they were not targeting communities or faiths, but suspected criminals."

S'funny. The police never do this when they arrest Christians, Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Pagans, Wicca worshippers or those who await the second coming of the prophet Zarquon.

Posted by: watling at February 2, 2007 7:33 AM

Why are they complaining? I'm sure they will feel at home in a police state, after all, every single Muslim country IS a police state!!!

Oh, you mean they only like police states when THEY are the police, ahhhh....

Posted by: Tziona at February 2, 2007 7:34 AM

“This unfortunate country is moving towards a police state - the laws being passed are wrong and against the traditions of this country,” Dr Naseem said....

Some police state, where officers have to remove their shoes before entering a muslim's home, cannot interrupt muslims at prayer, and give advance notice of upcoming raids.

Far better for England to become more of a police state and force the bastards right out. Yes, England is an unfortunate country...because it's being taken over by muslims.

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at February 2, 2007 7:41 AM

It's kind of outrageous for them to disturb their master-plan.

they need to feel more and more pressure

Posted by: Arnie at February 2, 2007 7:44 AM

Tziona-
Ever wonder WHY every muslim country is a police state? Maybe it's the ONLY way to function when you have a muslim population since they are FOREVER required to bring down the state and let allah, I mean anarchy, rule.

Posted by: Borg at February 2, 2007 7:45 AM

If Muslims are worried that the UK is turning into a police state they only have to look into a mirror to find out why it's happening. As usual, they stir up all the trouble, then they claim to be the only victims. You don't like it, then get the hell out. Try Saudi Arabia's version of a police state-they have lots of Islam there to suit you at least.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at February 2, 2007 7:45 AM

If Muslims are worried that the UK is turning into a police state they only have to look into a mirror to find out why it's happening. As usual, they stir up all the trouble, then they claim to be the only victims. You don't like it, then get the hell out. Try Saudi Arabia's version of a police state-they have lots of Islam there to suit you at least.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at February 2, 2007 07:45 AM

They won't go by themselves. Thy need to be kicked out.

Posted by: Arnie at February 2, 2007 7:49 AM

"Some talk of Alexander, and some of Hercules
Of Hector and Lysander, and such great names as these.
But of all the world's great heroes, there's none that can compare
With a tow, row, row, row, row, row, to the British Grenadier.

Those heroes of antiquity ne'er saw a cannon ball
Or knew the force of powder to slay their foes withal.
But our brave boys do know it, and banish all their fears,
Sing tow, row, row, row, row, row, for the British Grenadier.

Whene'er we are commanded to storm the palisades
Our leaders march with fuses, and we with hand grenades.
We throw them from the glacis, about the enemies' ears.
Sing tow, row, row, row, row, row, the British Grenadiers.

And when the siege is over, we to the town repair
The townsmen cry, "Hurrah, boys, here comes a Grenadier!
Here come the Grenadiers, my boys, who know no doubts or fears!
Then sing tow, row, row, row, row, row, the British Grenadiers.

The God of War was pleased and great Bellonia smiles
To look upon these heroes, of our British Iles
And all the gods Celestial, descending from their spheres
To hold in adoration, the British Grenadiers.

Then let us fill a bumper, and drink a health to those
Who carry caps and pouches, and wear the louped clothes.
May they and their commanders live happy all their years
With a tow, row, row, row, row, row, for the British Grenadiers."

.....The Muslims continue to push the buttons, soon they will push the wrong button...then it is all over for them...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at February 2, 2007 7:50 AM

"“This unfortunate country is moving towards a police state - the laws being passed are wrong and against the traditions of this country,” Dr Naseem said...."

.....It sounds like he is referring to "this country" as if it were a Muslim country....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at February 2, 2007 7:55 AM

There is so much adverse publicity...

Yeah, the bad pub started with Abu Afak and Asma Marwan, and we all know what happened then.

There have been a number of cases where the police have moved in and nothing has been found. But by then the damage has been done.

So cheers, the Moslem activists got away with the crime, probably because of Moslems embedded in the British police and intelligence services.

* 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 *

Police states are the natural outcome of an Islamic infection that has run its course. At first its a country or region being dragged down to the Moslem level by trying to try stave off just that, but eventually when the smoke clears it's Sharia police state, with pious clerics in charge and suddenly ok with the newly-achieved police state condition, even thrilled with it.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at February 2, 2007 8:02 AM

Indiana Jones, your where I am, I will be voting BNP next election as they say it as it is and are the only people who will do what is required.

Posted by: Daffersd at February 2, 2007 07:09 AM

Indiana and Daffersd

The BNP are also likely to do a lot of what is not required and make matters even worse. They should be trusted as far as Jean Marie LePenn.

If you are unhappy with the "mainstream" parties and lunatics like Ken Livingstone running London, get off of your butts and put some pressure on your local pols or find someone to nominate for office who recognizes that we are in a war against barbarism. Cite the little municipality of Herouxville, Quebec that has made a declaration to any immigrants that they are welcome as long as they agree that there will be no requests to live under Sharia, practice FGM, etc.

Thanks to the extremists, the lines of reasonable accommodation are starting to be drawn very clearly. It's ironic, however, that it would start in a small rural municipality in Quebec, of all places, but then Quebec has been fighting to preserve its French Roman Catholic culture in a largely English-speaking continent for a few centuries now.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at February 2, 2007 8:06 AM

Join the club Dr Naseem

I posted the first two cases on another thread a few days ago but they are worth repeating.

A man making his living putting 8000 free newspapers in local supermarkets with cheerful disregard to the laws of copyright, included a jokey piece about immigrants from a national tabloid. An ardent Liberal reported him to the police and he received a visit from two detectives to question him about publishing racist material. When they discovered the source the police backed off

A village in the West of England decided to update its Christmas pantomime as Snow White and the Seven Asylum Seekers. Another ardent liberal reported them to the Relations Board and they were required to submit a script so that they might be “Advised if they were breaking the law”.

More recently there was a Judge Finestien - I'm not sure I have spelled the name correctly but I think you will get my point, it suggests his sympathies for the BNP would be minimal. Sitting in a full court in wig robes he was faced with the trial of a ten-year-old child who had apparently called a schoolmate a “P***”. In utter disbelief he asked what this case was doing in his court - it should have been sorted out at the school - with all the serious crime on the streets had the police got nothing better to do? This was widely reported in the press. What was not so widely reported was that he was ordered by the head of the judiciary to apologise to the police for his remarks.

Like I said Dr Naseem - join the club.

Posted by: Fred at February 2, 2007 8:36 AM

I heard a radio report (from SkyNews )covering this story, and the only information I got from it was that it was a terror plot, in Birmingham, and a 'community' was upset about it.
The reporter, rather cleverly, managed to avoid using the words muslim, islam, or even the ever reliable "asian' or 'Pakistani'. I had to guess which 'community' it was that was afraid because of the raids, he left that for the listener to work out.(I had a good idea who would do the most whining)
That was it, the most uninformative report I ever heard, about anything, ever.

/bangs head on wall

Posted by: savitch at February 2, 2007 8:48 AM

They won't go by themselves. Thy need to be kicked out.

Posted by: Arnie at February 2, 2007 07:49 AM

Let the kicking begin. Governments seem to think a door works only one way in taking in all these subversives. The door can work just as well in reverse if only they would use common sense and some willpower.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at February 2, 2007 9:16 AM

Waterdragon52, first of all there is no way back from Islam, but there is often a way back from Fascism. I only have a choice now between perhaps Fascism or Islam.

I also happen to know that a lot of middle of the road people are doing the same, this will change the BNP, you could argue when looking at the BNP that they have changed.

Please do not tar the BNP with the brush of Le Pen, that idiot is even coming to some sort of alliance with Islamics, how sick, no tar the BNP with De Villiers if you please, Nick Griffin seems rather like De Villiers to me.

What can you do, it has got to the point when only fighting and death is the way to deal with it and in my view the sooner it starts the better because of the demographic time bomb. But you do like me, I have moved assets to the USA and am setting up a credit history, I have no faith in our so called leaders in Europe, they dare not open their eyes to this life and death struggle.

I vote BNP at the next election because I have to.

Posted by: Daffersd at February 2, 2007 9:24 AM

If more mainstream people vote in the BNP party it will go more to the center, and Britain will be more unwelcome for the islamist and their supporters. your labor party are appeasers, and you will change nothing if they are voted back into power. Where is Margaret Thatcher on this?

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at February 2, 2007 9:35 AM

ZenaWarriorPrincess, that is in fact my opinion, the left attacked this BNP ballerina because she was exactly the sort of person they are scared of joining the BNP and they should be...

Posted by: Daffersd at February 2, 2007 9:38 AM

@ waterdragon52 "Cite the little municipality of Herouxville, Quebec that has made a declaration.."

Of course this action by Herouxville is called unconstitutional and hate, as proclaimed by the Muslim community. So, if I say I don't want anyone stoned (murdered) in my community outside of Canada's laws, I am preaching hate? WTF? Go figure.

Glenn Beck interviewed a female muslim professor from Montreal last night about this declaration in Herouxville.

Again, all she could do was blame the problem on the media who have elevated the problem with muslims so that the public does not understand that only a tiny number of muslims are extremists.

She did not bother to condem stoning or any of the other barbaric Islamic laws and when Beck questioned her about the lack of condemnation of extremeism by the muslim community, she simply pointed out ALL religions have extremeism.

Muslims continually blame the media and hate speech as the root of the problem. Why don't we see them using the media then, to condem, with all their might, islamic extremeism and sharia law? Answer: one can't stand up and condem such actions unless you truly believe in doing so. Herein lies an enormous sleeping dog.

Posted by: sounder at February 2, 2007 9:52 AM

exsgtbrown-

Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense

"Up Guards and at 'em!"

Posted by: Wishbone at February 2, 2007 10:21 AM

Muslim groups point out that more than half of the 1,100 people arrested as terrorism suspects over the past five years have been released without charge.

And the other half?

I wish the US would get some Kohonies like this!

Posted by: MadMom at February 2, 2007 10:34 AM

MadMom

Nice one!

Posted by: Fred at February 2, 2007 10:42 AM

Glenn Beck interviewed a female muslim professor from Montreal last night about this declaration in Herouxville.
Posted by: sounder at February 2, 2007 09:52 AM

Sounder,

I saw that as well. Glenn was on the war path against Islam last night. I think he has drawn his own line in the sand which he himself, will finally cross.

He states that he believes thaT 90% of Muslims are "peaceful" and "moderate". He offers his program for these people to speak out against the atrocities performed in the name of Islam. No one ever shows up. He is obviously getting frustrated.

He also concedes, that these people are intimidated by the "radicals", and the recent Muslim soldier kidnapping plot does lend to that belief, but at this point even Glenn is like, "cmon guys, 90% of 1.4 billion people are "moderate" and no one will dare speak against Islam?"

If "moderate" Muslims will not back up Glenn's statement about them, then he no longer will as well. I believe that is the line he will eventually cross. He is setting up Islam. His call for rational dialogue sounded quite a bit like Robert's position.

All in all, it was an excellent show, and a major step in the right direction.

Posted by: awake at February 2, 2007 10:42 AM

Sounder:

I think there is also heart to be taken, not only in Herouxville's proclamation, but also in the fact that CBC Radio One listeners supported Herouxville and not "As It Happens" host Carol Off who tried to present Herouxville's proclamation as unnecessary.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at February 2, 2007 11:23 AM

My British Kinsmen:

It is beyond the borders of a police state.
Naseem perfectly exemplifies the "moderate Muslim" voice. It is a war between Muslims and non Muslims in most of Europe. Military type tactcis must be used to stem the flow and return the balance that the Islamists put so far out of whack. The BNP offers a government (though many may feel is radical) to carry out the military operation, protect the culture and the ideals of England. You can participate in that party, the one that recognizes the problem, the war, and the enemy in that war. Or you can go along with the spinless, decadent politicians that have led you to the state you are in and eventually to Sharia.
At least you have a choice. Here in America we currently do not.

Posted by: Briars at February 2, 2007 12:08 PM

Dr. Naseem is correct, though not in the way he's thinking of.

Great Britian seems to be moving toward tacit acceptance of some provisions of Sharia law. Kingdoms and dictatorships under sharia are essentially police states. Accepting any sharia practices does indeed move a nation closer to being a police state.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at February 2, 2007 12:15 PM

The British police don't hold a candle to the Religious Police when it comes to rounding up the Rabble..Only the Religious Police is not quite as nice...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at February 2, 2007 12:35 PM

Lame Cherry
wish I had the energy to explain why you are a twat
but it's late!

say something interesting.................please!

Posted by: hierophant at February 2, 2007 8:22 PM

Apologize for the lengthy comments, but this terrorism all started when Rockefeller decided to allow Arabs to pump up oil prices in trade which gave them all that money to spend on terrorism...and then the Rockefellers and Rothschilds needed slave workers so they started importing all those 3rd world rejects now well trained in our schools making war on the west.
Posted by: Lame Cherry

Oh for fuck sake get David Icke on board it's the shape shifting reptilian aliens i.e. the joooooooooz

TWAT!

Posted by: hierophant at February 2, 2007 8:29 PM

The answer is simple for those muslims in the UK, go back to the Middle East, if your religion is so wonderful and peaceful, isn't that where you belong?

Posted by: Catawhumpus at February 2, 2007 11:02 PM

I would rather live in a British police state run by British (non Muslim) politicians than under any form of Sharia or Dhimmitude.

We desperately need to start repatriation of all Muslims who are deemed a threat (about 90% I would imagine). I am still wary of the likes of the BNP, why? anyone who harbours swastika wearers, anti-Semites, and holocaust deniers, belong in the same bin as Hitler, Stalin, Chairman Mau, etc.

We do indeed need a new political force who will fight Jihad and maintain democracy for those who deserve it (those who swear allegiance to their country). This political force must however recognise and work with all our allies in the fight against world Islamic domination. Israel is a prime example of people with the guts and resources to do this. So therefore the swastika wearing N.F types are a problem for me. A great deal of what the BNP says is indeed right, and they have the guts to say it. Many of them have lost jobs through persecution by Dhimmis and "human rights" campaigners. Political correctness is so rife most big companies will fire anyone who publicly admits to being a member of the BNP, or is "exposed" by the do gooders.

If the core of the BNP were to shed the brown shirt and swastika image of the old National Front, and publicly distance themselves from Nazism that would be a good start. Islam is Fascism, we need to fight it with Democracy for the British people.

Sadly they are the only party at the moment who have the guts to publicly defend this country and offer the only practical solution (Repatriation).

Someone asked where Thatcher stood on this. Well for 18 years her government allowed countless millions of Moslem's into the UK with no controls at all. The conservatives under Edward Heath sacked the first mainstream politician who recognised the coming problem and had the guts to speak up against immigration. Who was that man? Enoch Powell. He was ostracised by British politicians including Thatcher. Were Enoch still alive I would be voting for him!!!

Posted by: Defender of The Realm at February 3, 2007 6:18 AM

Why doesn't each Western country....have one-hour a day on television, called "Islam Hour?"

In this half-hour program, various parts of the Koran which state all the murderous, hideous, women-hating philosophies will be read right out of the Koran. Then, with each statement read out of the Koran...the moderator will ask either a Left Wing twit, or a Moslem what that statement means?

If there is any hedging, then documentation will be shown to the audience of exactly what is meant by the verse in the Koran or the Hadditha.

Starting with the most horrendous statements in the Koran such as:

"All women are inferior to men....

If a woman does not obey men, they should be beaten with a green stick.

Christians and Jews are dogs and apes.

Kill all infidels who don't submit to Islam.

Islam believes in and practices slavery.

Before having sex with a female slave, kill all her children and men folk.

You can have sex with an animal, but you have to then kill it and sell the meat to a village down the road."

The list of the most ridiculous laws of Islam are long and explicit.

Its time that a daily program of education begin...in the US, the UK, or Europe. The only reason why we aren't deporting all of the Moslems is out of ignorance.

DeeVee

Posted by: DeeVee at February 4, 2007 5:45 PM