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He wanted hand grenades and mines for use in turf wars by street gangs. Uh-huh. I expect that mines and grenades are a staple of gang wars in St. Louis, Missouri. Could he have had more than just street gangs in mind? "Man was arming for 'war,' FBI says," by Robert Patrick in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, with thanks to Michael:
A St. Charles man obtained fully automatic weapons and tried to buy as many explosives as possible in preparation for what an associate called "war," the FBI says in court documents.He bought three rifles and a Claymore anti-personnel mine and negotiated for a case of hand grenades, documents obtained by the Post-Dispatch show.
Mousa M. Abuelawi, 22, of Franjoe Court, was arrested Dec. 29 and charged on complaints accusing him of three counts of illegal possession or distribution of a machine gun and conspiracy to violate machine gun statutes.
Abuelawi, a Palestinian immigrant free on $50,000 bond, could not be reached. His brother declined to comment on his behalf. His lawyers, Scott Rosenblum and Gil Sison, did not return calls.
The context of the word "war" was not explained in court filings; the FBI declined to comment.
The man to whom the word was attributed, Thaer Abde Sumad, said in an interview Thursday that the purchases were not intended for terrorism but to make money supplying street gangs in a St. Louis turf war....
Sumad suggested that he and Abuelawi attracted special attention because of the sound of their names and their Arab ethnicity....
The FBI thinks it's a "terrorist thing," Sumad said, "especially after 9/11. They're trying to make it bigger than what it is."
Sumad said Abuelawi was "trying to make a few extra bucks."
Posted by Robert at February 2, 2007 9:15 AM
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And they let him free, are we sick in the head or something? He is one of the many Muslims who will run amok on US streets in the near future.
Posted by: Daffersd
at February 2, 2007 9:36 AM
Sumad said Abuelawi was "trying to make a few extra bucks."
islamist point in a good day's work is bringing in more money for the bang. they cannot produce anything worthwhile for humanity, but only lower it to the gutter. he should be sent to the streets of Gaza and join those street gangs.
Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess
at February 2, 2007 9:40 AM
No doubt he was preparing to defend himself against the murderous onslaught of the Islamophobes.
Can we do something about immigration already? Or do ordinary people need to carry weapons and act like it's the Wild West in order to defend themselves because their government steadfastly refuses to fulfill its most basic obligation?
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS
at February 2, 2007 9:43 AM
"Sumad suggested that he and Abuelawi attracted special attention because of the sound of their names and their Arab ethnicity"
I fear that if the democrats have their way in eliminating Muslim profiling, terrorist like Abuelawi might not even be arrested or at least have evidence against them thrown out that was collected because he looked to someone like he might be a Muslim Arab.
Posted by: FM
at February 2, 2007 9:51 AM
Riots on in several cities over here since moharram. In all these cities *members of a particular community* (the MSM uses this for "muslims") have a significant population.
"Curfew continues in riot-hit Gorakhpur"
http://www.dailyindia.com/show/109545.php/Curfew-continues-in-riot-hit-Gorakhpur
"Religious clashes break out in Indore on during Muharram procession"
The other cities are too small to make the international news circuit, but riots on in 6 places. In my own city, more than 3000 policemen were deployed on muharram when the muslims take out their processions.
Posted by: arjun.sevak
at February 2, 2007 9:52 AM
These poor chaps probably were trained for this career at the prestigious Islamic U in Gaza. Sounds like a couple of entreprenuers. Would make The Donald proud. But, when Donald says "Fired" he gets AK47 bursts.
Posted by: TheOmegaMan
at February 2, 2007 9:52 AM
You betcha "special attention" is paid because you're a Muslim, Sumad. Rightfully so.
Daffersd (poster) - political correctness IS being "sick in the head."
So, isn't "24" absolutely fabulous these days?!
at February 2, 2007 9:52 AM
I urge everyone to click the link and read the entire story provided by the St. Louis Dispatch. I think it safe to assume there may be more arrests forthcoming in the days ahead. Or there should be.
I have to laugh at this guy Sumad when he says the authorities are "trying to make this out to be bigger than what it is". For gawds sake, his co-religionist was negotiating down the price of 300 hand grenades from $500 each to $400 each!
As far as the "explanation" given by Sumad that the weapons would be used for St. Louis gang "war", we're not talking about the Sharks vs. the Jets. We're talking Mujhadeen vs. the Infidel.
I'm stunned the primary perp, Abuelawi, had bond set so low. I wonder, who posted $50K to get him out pending trial. Maybe the local mosque has an emergency fund that can be drawn upon in cases like this.
at February 2, 2007 10:16 AM
"Trying to make it bigger than it is..." Uh huh. Delicious.
Posted by: desertdawg29palms
at February 2, 2007 10:20 AM
Let an American accumulate an arsenal like that and see what happens-the media would be screaming about supremecist plots and the government would throw him in jail for life. But since a member of the peaceful ones is collecting such weaponry it must be OK-surely he wouldn't use these things to hurt anyone, even if he mentioned "war". It must be that "inner war" that jihad is really about that this guy referred to.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS
at February 2, 2007 10:27 AM
omvi, $50 K is less than pocket change for billionaire Saudi's who would be glad to come to the aid of a fellow Muslim.
Posted by: darcy
at February 2, 2007 10:28 AM
I'm feeling a little disgusted about the fact that this man was let out on a bail of 50,000 or for that matter released at all.
He was collecting machine guns, grenades, and mines? The reason? The least likely being the one he gave, selling them for quick cash to gangs. Likely, either the "quick cash" was to help fund Palestianian terrorism or he was preparing for an American jihad.
What is this madness? He should have been interogated by the authorities and put on a flight in hand-cuffs back to Gaza. But he is roaming free, communicating to whomever he pleases and is a flight risk.
Posted by: sci_
at February 2, 2007 10:30 AM
The truly sinister side of this is that this case will be used by the simpering weaklings in our government to institute more gun control. Rather than smoking this guy, they released him.
The fact he was in possession of these articles is enough to DENY bail. Not set it at such a low amount he is assured of disappearing.
A claymore means he has people within our military. But we will probably now never know. He will slide into oblivion - along with all the other people who mean us harm.
All with the complicity of the USG. They let them in - they make sure they are free.
Posted by: infidel!
at February 2, 2007 10:32 AM
A claymore set off in a crowd of tightly packed people leaves an awful mess..(a claymore is an anti-personnel shaped explosive device packed with metal designed to kill) .. it is detonated by a wire led to a hand held device...The operator hides the explosive and then just waits for the target of choice to appear. He hits the button and BOOMM , whatever or whomever is in the face of the explosive is no more..
Hand grenades and Claymores....if your name was Billy Bob Johnson and you lived on a ridge and the FbI came looking for your because they suspected you had illegal explosives and weapons, they would attack you...If you did not die in the assault, you no doubt would get life in jail...
if your name is Mousa M. Abuelawi, you get 50,000.00 bail and walk...
Maybe Mousa M. Abuelawi is a Democrat...
at February 2, 2007 11:06 AM
Yes, street warfare. Of course.
500 hand grenades. How often we see hand grenades being used by the Bloods against the Crips, or by the Crips against the Bloods.
Actually we do, but not in this country. In Gaza, with the Slow Jihadists of Fatah, who want all the Jizyah for themselves, and are prepared to lie a little in order to keep it going, against the Fast Jihadists of Hamas. Or in Baghdad and the rest of Iraq, where the Sunni Bloods fight the Shi'a Crips for money, for power, and for "respect."
Let those Crips and Bloods -- in Gaza, in Baghdad -- alone. Wait it out. If necessary, from time to time, a little bombing from high up, a few missiles from afar, just to make sure things are going the way you want them, might be necessary. Otherwise: Infidels, keep your distance. And save your Jizyah, so as to spend it on all kinds of alternative energy projects, and the new expenses you have incurred to monitor Muslim populations that were foolishly allowed to settle deep within the Bilad al-kufr.
Posted by: Hugh
at February 2, 2007 11:09 AM
"Palestinian" immigrant?
Why would any "palestinian" want to leave "palestine"? I thought that was the center of all muslim rage.
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at February 2, 2007 11:38 AM
Stories as this are why I said all TRUE Americans need to have a FOID card and multiple weapons in their homes for protection when the islamic revolt "tries" to do something in the USA.
I have been ready since 2003 for any islamic nonsense....capable of sending 80 of those devils to hell.
Posted by: Hungarian Crusader
at February 2, 2007 11:42 AM
Arjun
Are these riots Muslim-Hindu riots, or Sunni-Shia riots?
I'd think it's worthless if the former - after all, let them do their self flaggelation, and hopefully kill themselves in the process.
Posted by: Infidel Pride
at February 2, 2007 12:24 PM
The question was on the Gorakhpur riot.
Posted by: Infidel Pride
at February 2, 2007 12:26 PM
Wow! If the guy was buying hangrenades at $400 per why would he have any problem coming up with $50K bail. He only needs 20% to secure bail from a bonding company.
I love the "alleged" accomplice's statement that 'it really isn't a big deal. He only wanted to make a few bucks!'
Prisons are filled with asocial individuals saying the same crap! Man o man, a full auto H&K MP-5 for $600! A legal one would cost you $5K plus BATF annual registration fee!
My impression is this:
Muslims are arming in this country. I see them at the gun stores handling firearms like they know what they're doing. They are at the gun ranges slinging rounds like monkeys. I know because I go myself. They are involved in paintball activities nation-wide. The National Paintball Association president is a Muslim. Muslim youth groups in this area go on outing to the ones here! I have never been on one with the BSA troop my son belons to!
I also believe that Mosques that are being built in the US may have armories within and possess quantites of weapons within. Most of the mosques that are going up in my city would make wonderful, using this term euphemistically, fortresses or citadels. They all have excellent defilade positions for firing on enfilade attacks.
Am I just being an alarmist? Why do I feel them assualting us on every level?
This is OT, but my children go to a private Episcopal school. Recently, we have had a large influx of Saudi students to the schoolas their parents work for a large Saudi petrofirm. The annual tutition is in the low five figures. Most of the Saudi sutdents have to have ESL instruction which has strained the faculty. Recently, a parent asked that his children not participate in any Christian events at school.
Many of the faculty conforms to a cultral relativistic weltenschaung to put it succinctly. They are pratically prostrating themselves to appease them.
Now it appears that there will be a meeting with the Saudi parents where no other parents will be allowed to attend. The pretext is that the school will try to explain and help the Saudi parents better understand the cultural differences and programs of the school.
What irks me is that this meeting will take place without the knowledge of the rest of the students parents. I am sure that the Saudi parents will put forth their agenda at the meeting, and we as English speaking parents will have no say in the decision making plans.
This appears to be some form of hudna or attempt at intellectual taqqiyah.
At the previous private school our children attended, many of the students were Pakistani. During the course of my children's time there, they manage to force the cultural observance of the "celebration of Ramadan" to, as they put it, counter the Hindi observance of Divali!
How will we escape this onslaught? Wherever you turn they are in assualt mode. It's like each one must complete a little Jihad to win brownie points with Allah.
Just feltt like venting where I might have some positive response. I welcome commments and criticism.
Long live Western Civilization or die!
Posted by: detocquevilledisciple
at February 2, 2007 12:42 PM
I don't know if the FBI is EVER going to catch on. At this rate, Americans are NEVER going to be remotely safe again in America from jihadists.
I hope at least the FBI's inept squads are enjoying their fat paychecks and paid holidays.
Talk about Montezuma's revenge....
at February 2, 2007 12:49 PM
He bought three rifles and a Claymore anti-personnel mine and negotiated for a case of hand grenades
Sounds like the standard equipment for an Inner Spiritual Struggle...
Posted by: MarisolJW
at February 2, 2007 1:47 PM
Saint Charles, MO is just about as white-bread and traditional a place as you could find in Middle America. It's also not a marginal place economically - it's solidly middle class and a very stable and desirable place to live by any measurement you care to look at.
Mousa M. Abuelawi lives/(lived) in the 63304 zip code, which is one over from an affluent Saint Charles County zip code that's been recognized nationally as one of the 'best values'when balancing costs against amenities and location.
We musn't forget this isn't just about jihad in back alleys of Gaza or Fallujah; this is about the back alley streetfight in Saint Charles, MO and everywhere else young jihadis live. Saint Charles, MO is closer to most of us than we care to admit and the threat is immediate. Try to think of the threat as being within 10 miles of your home and it will put information like this into perspective.
It's not just 'over there'. It doesn't just happen to my personal friends in Ra'nana Israel or to Buddhist Ice Cream vendors in Thailand. It's everywhere. It's here. It's sitting right next to you.
And the S will HTF if jihadis like Mousa M. Abuelawi have anything measure of success. This is a back alley streetfight.
You think you're safe? You think it can't happen 'here', regardless of where 'here' is?
I see it better to prepare for 'the shadows of things to come' as Charles Dickens put it. Fight the jihad of ideas and tongues but keep preparing for the jihad of arms. That too will come.
Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses
at February 2, 2007 1:57 PM
Is this one also "mentally ill, suffers from depression and hasn't being taking his medication"???
Posted by: DCWatson
at February 2, 2007 2:34 PM
“Saint Charles, MO is just about as white-bread and traditional a place as you could find in Middle America.” -A_Plague_on_Both_Houses
True. It is also full of people who hunt. Whether bow or gun, jihadi season seems not far off.
-XRDC
at February 2, 2007 3:13 PM
“I don't know if the FBI is EVER going to catch on.” -Pythagoras
Let’s not forget that the FBI in St. Louis has become well-versed in the proper handling of muslims thanks to it’s CAIR-sponsored sensitivity training.
-XRDC
at February 2, 2007 3:14 PM
“Muslims are arming in this country … handling firearms like they know what they're doing… at the gun ranges slinging rounds like monkeys...involved in paintball activities nation-wide.”
-Detocquevilledisciple
Think also of how many stories you have read about “American muslims” traveling abroad to fight in various wars. Whether fighting alongside the Mujahideen in Afghanistan or Bosnia, Hamas or Hezbollah in Gaza, al Qaeda in Somalia, or anywhere else for that matter, a jihadist is a jihadist. They are comfortable with killing people. It is a bloodlust that only death will satisfy. The U.S. needs a colon cleansing and these parasites should be the top priority.
-XRDC
at February 2, 2007 3:16 PM
Ynkedoodl2 - thank you very much.
XRDC - I hear that Saint Charles, MO is full of Lawyers, Guns and Money and and the S will HTF if any of it comes under direct threat.
at February 2, 2007 3:24 PM
St. Charles county has it's money that's for sure.
http://www.realweb.com/demogr_stccnty.asp
http://www.st-charles-missouri.com/demographics/
-XRDC
Posted by: XRDC
at February 2, 2007 3:40 PM
Can we do something about immigration already? Or do ordinary people need to carry weapons and act like it's the Wild West in order to defend themselves because their government steadfastly refuses to fulfill its most basic obligation?
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at February 2, 2007 09:43 AM
++++++
if you do not have your firearem carry permit....GO GET ONE ASAP.
PREPARE, BE ARMED BE READY......
++++++++++++++++++
I have to laugh at this guy Sumad when he says the authorities are "trying to make this out to be bigger than what it is". For gawds sake, his co-religionist was negotiating down the price of 300 hand grenades from $500 each to $400 each!
+++++
300 grenades at $400 each = $120,000..........
just where did this guy get $120,000????????
Are the saudi's financing the terror war inside America????????
The Texican.
at February 2, 2007 5:57 PM
Texican-
The article stated 30 hand grenades but your point is still valid. Perhaps he was selling pre-paid cell phone chips to fund his mini-arsenal. Then he can sell the weapons at a good price and have a down payment for something even more potent.
-XRDC
Posted by: XRDC
at February 2, 2007 6:10 PM
Start looking around at your areas, whats out of place?????
Posted by: OLD SARGE
at February 2, 2007 8:53 PM
Treat these people like any normal drug dealer, report them for any violation that they commit,all agencies are looking for information, just do it!!!
Posted by: OLD SARGE
at February 2, 2007 9:13 PM
I'm sure the likes of Stuck Mojo would like to see them bring it on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymLJz3N8ayI
And at the risk of sounding politically incorrect (oh be honest here - we're way past that), I wouldn't mind seeing some of the anger in our black communities channeled towards a real bona-fide threat to their existence for a change.
Posted by: Caroline
at February 2, 2007 10:21 PM
Infidel Pride,
Hindu - Muslim. muslims started attacking Infidel establishments, and that led to widespread rioting. It is really bad in Gorakhpur, since the government of that state survives on muslim votes. I was talking to a friend in Agra, and he told me about riots in Eta, near Agra. The state government has clamped down on the media, news is not coming out of that place.
at February 3, 2007 1:49 AM
Every Muslim is aiming for war
Breaking News
This is how peace efforts with Muslims end up. Guess, Thailand will be next.
Philippines Muslims take govt hostages
http://www.civoc.com/society/2007/02/03/phillipines-25-goverment-offical-held-by-muslim-terrorists/
Posted by: Arnie
at February 3, 2007 2:30 AM
Another "non-terror" incident. Like the young man with the "arab-sounding" name last summer that blew himself into a cloud of mist outside the University of Oklahoma football game. No, that wasn't a terror related incident. He was a confused young man and chose to commit suicide while seated on a bench outside a football stadium filled with tens of thousand of spectators. It was still written off as a non-terror related event even after evidence was uncovered that he approached the main gate of the stadium several times apparently trying to muster the nerve to enter to carry out his act of murder. Still not related to terrorism after uncovering his connections with a mosque in Oklahoma City that has a reputation for its adherence to the ideals of jihad. Still unrelated after uncovering books, brochures and bomb making instructions and supplies inside his apartment. Nope, no links to terror, just like in this case. To tell you how far out of the picture most people are, I had a man (with a Phd.) today tell me because there have been no further attacks here at home, that proves the belief that there are very few Muslims who take to that side of Islam and that most components and beliefs of Islam are peaceful. No credit to the brave men and women fighting the war on terror at home and abroad, just take another drink of the kool-aid and believe Islam is peaceful and they mean us no harm, no harm, no harm, sip sip, no harm, no harm....
Posted by: DavidH
at February 4, 2007 3:22 PM
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