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Instead of cheering for the arrests of jihad terror plotters. "Plots and paranoia are mainstream views for Muslims of Sparkbrook," by Andrew Norfolk in the TimesOnline, with thanks to Jeffrey Imm:
To wander the streets of Sparkbrook yesterday, from shabby corner shop to proud, white-domed mosque, was to enter a world where conspiracy theories are the breath of life.Many ordinary Muslims did not believe that Wednesday’s arrests were an act to foil a terrorist plot aiming to visit unspeakable barbarity on a young British soldier.
Rather the entire operation was a giant con trick. This fits a growing perception of a post-9/11 world in which innocent Muslims are demonised, and the terror threat manufactured to suit the dark designs of the West’s Judaeo-Christian elite.
The decision to distribute 5,000 multilingual leaflets, carefully setting out details of the anti-terrorist operation and the events leading up to it, may have sought to offer a well intentioned reassurance “that the police are not targeting communities or faiths, but suspected criminals”.
To many Muslims that message has fallen on deaf ears. That many seem not to believe police reassurances is at least in part because they are listening to a very different message from mosques across the city. Take the Birmingham Central Mosque, where up to 4,000 people will be attending Friday prayers today.
Its chairman for the past 32 years has been Mohammed Naseem, a past champion of interfaith dialogue who was for many years regarded as a voice of Islamic moderation. A year ago, he was awarded an honorary doctorate by the University of Birmingham.
Dr Nasseem, 83, yesterday told The Times of his certainty that the nine arrested men were innocent of any crime and would eventually be released without charge.
He spoke of his conviction that the Government was “pursuing a policy of maintaining a perception of a [terrorist] threat to justify the draconian anti-terror laws they have been passing”.
He went on to compare Tony Blair’s Britain to Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union under Stalin. People were beginning to realise, he said, that the Government had embarked on “a campaign to strike terror in the hearts of the Muslim people”.
And Dr Naseem is said to be a voice of the mainstream. Indeed, he explicitly condemns terrorism and “the killing of innocent people”. He was keen to appeal for calm yesterday and to urge Muslims “not to lose their dignity by taking the law into their own hands”.
Posted by Robert at February 2, 2007 11:20 AM
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at February 2, 2007 11:26 AM
It is obvious that Europe and other democratic regions of the world WILL NEVER HAVE PEACE unless they deport all muslims from their lands followed by outlawing islam for reclassification as a political cult.
Did any of you notice that any nation with a significant muslim population has the laundry list of bombings, civil unrest-disobedience, mass rapes of non-islamic women, attacks on local police forces (Ask the French) cries of alleged discrimination, overloaded prisons with muslims, mass abuse of the public aid systems, and the regular demonstrations of thousands of those idiot muslim men in dresses fouling our streets protesting some moronic offense?
Why would any nation allow this filth into their nation?
They are trying to kill off the same people that feed them and give them free housing and this is the thanks to the host nation.
They are economic and social parasites.
Did I make my point?
THEY ALL NEED TO LEAVE AND BE MISERABLE IN THEIR OWN COUNTRIES!!
Who needs them.
My point is......NO ISLAM AND KNOW PEACE!
The alternative is KNOW ISLAM AND YOU WILL HAVE NO PEACE!
at February 2, 2007 11:35 AM
"He went on to compare Tony Blair’s Britain to Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union under Stalin".
Yet again the cult of death has things upside down. This increasing paranoia on their part is just like the paranoia of Stalin's USSR. There are plenty of examples of this but the perfect example is when these kooks claim they're being poisoned by vaccines in some plot by infidels to wipe them out. Hmm, sounds a lot like Stalin's "Jewish Doctors Plot" all over again, doesn't it?
These Infidelophobes just never stop spouting nonsense and twisting things around, do they? No wonder they're looked at as crackpots, because that's exactly what they are.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at February 2, 2007 11:36 AM
Slightly OT. From Le Figaro today.
A Turkish-authored book has apparently been sent around to French universities and schools. It seems that the Minister of Education has asked that the book not be made available to students.
An excerpt, in French, followed by my translation.
Selon l'auteur, les théories de Charles Darwin (1809-1882) seraient même « la réelle source du terrorisme ». On peut lire par exemple, sous une photo représentant les attentats du 11 Septembre, cette légende stupéfiante : « Ceux qui perpétuent la terreur dans le monde sont en réalité des darwinistes. Le darwinisme est la seule philosophie qui valorise et donc encourage le conflit. »
According to the author, the theories of Charles Darwin would be the real source of terrorism. In the book, under a picture of the 9-11 attacks, the legend reads "Those who carry out terrorist attacks around the world are, in fact, Darwinists. Darwinism is the only philosophy that promotes and encourages conflict."
Posted by: Minority of One at February 2, 2007 11:39 AM
Article: "Dr Nasseem, 83, yesterday told The Times of his certainty that the nine arrested men were innocent of any crime and would eventually be released without charge."
Certainty of their innocence? How is that possible?
Article: "He spoke of his conviction that the Government was “pursuing a policy of maintaining a perception of a [terrorist] threat to justify the draconian anti-terror laws they have been passing”."
Draconian anti-terror laws?
Article: "Mohammed Idrees was prepared to talk. A 37-year-old car mechanic, he was polite, friendly and utterly certain that any plot to kill a British Muslim soldier had been the work of “the Government or people hired by the Government”."
Because it is an impossibility that these Muslims could ever be guilty?
Article: "Mr Idrees went on to explain that his duty as a Muslim came before his duty to Britain."
Now THIS is the only statement by a Muslim, in the whole article, that is actually true.
at February 2, 2007 11:44 AM
"And Dr Naseem is said to be a voice of the mainstream. Indeed, he explicitly condemns terrorism and “the killing of innocent people”. He was keen to appeal for calm yesterday and to urge Muslims “not to lose their dignity by taking the law into their own hands”."...
I would be interested in Dr. Naseem's comments on the many, many audio and video recordings of Islamic religious leaders in Britain calling for death to the West.
Posted by: EricInTexas at February 2, 2007 11:47 AM
to urge Muslims “not to lose their dignity"
Is this not a oxymoron, do you not have to have dignity first before you can lose it?
Posted by: havekoranwilltravel at February 2, 2007 12:02 PM
Before anyone says it .. It was the Joos.
Posted by: TheOmegaMan at February 2, 2007 12:05 PM
Being Muslim means never having having to say you are sorry.
We know about the taqiya part.
Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at February 2, 2007 12:08 PM
Sure am proud of the "police state' in the UK.
Keep up the good work.
I guess Nasseem is a popular name?
Posted by: auntbea at February 2, 2007 12:22 PM
Take the Birmingham Central Mosque, where up to 4,000 people will be attending Friday prayers today.
Please do. I dont remember rightly, but didnt this particular mosk used to be called 'the President Saddam Hussein Mosque'?
Posted by: thomas ato at February 2, 2007 12:25 PM
It's illuminating that he used the words 'strike terror in the hearts of the Muslim people'. This is almost identical to the verse in the koran when it commands Muslims to strike terror into the hearts of the infidels (8:12). It seems to me that they project Islam's own traits onto non-Muslims and think that we are just as hateful and aggressive as they are.
Posted by: Elephant at February 2, 2007 12:36 PM
Cry-Baby Muslim always crying foul.
Posted by: Birbhadra at February 2, 2007 12:49 PM
The reaction of so called Moderate Muslims is what I expect from people who, in their "hearts of hearts", fully support the Jihadis' aims and even their methods. The talk of conspiracies and the like is designed to appeal to their Leftist usefull idiots so they can continue to demonize those who try to raise awareness of Jihad and Islam's role in inspiring it, as well as short circuit any response to Islamic terrorism. Quite simply, I view ALL Muslims as a threat to my and our freedoms and way of life as a result of the reaction of Moderate (-NOT) Muslims to the continued assault by Jihadis against all who are not Muslims. Obfuscate, lie and deny is all they do.
The continued insistence of so many that a majority of Muslims are peaceful and do not support the Jihadis, that Islam is a religion of peace is the big lie. One sadly repeated by too many on the Left and the Right.
Posted by: Proud Infidel at February 2, 2007 12:51 PM
"Indeed, he explicitly condemns terrorism and “the killing of innocent people”.
I notice he did not say he "condems Muslim terrorism and the killing of innocent people by Muslims"
at February 2, 2007 12:52 PM
Ahaaa, at least we got them some "kaffirphobia" but still they need some more.
Posted by: Arnie at February 2, 2007 12:55 PM
"Yes people, Russians, Indians, Muslims and the rest of the world are supersticious fools. That is what these cultures are. You can put them in suits, make them millionaires and used silverware, but at the end of the day Putin is using Polonium to poison people, Indians think cows are sacred and Muslims think everything is a plot to get them so the mahdi can come back and save them."
posted by Lame Cherry
That is about as racist a remark as I've ever come across on JihadWatch. Shame on you!
Posted by: Razdan at February 2, 2007 1:12 PM
Yes people, Russians, Indians, Muslims and the rest of the world
Razdan,
he is lashing out into all directions, hence he said also the rest of the world. I don't think he ment a particular race but all mankind.
at February 2, 2007 1:21 PM
In the recent 'Undercover Mosques' documentary there is a scene where the speakerat a mosque in Birmingham encourages Muslims to behead any fellow Muslim who joins the army.
Posted by: Elephant at February 2, 2007 1:23 PM
I found this to be interesting:
"Until Islam can find within itself the will to embrace the Golden Rule found in its own scripture, until it stops indoctrinating its children, and especially its young men, in hatred and intolerance, and I might add, finds them jobs, until it is willing to treat other religions in its own heartlands as it demands Islam be treated in its diaspora, until it can truly respect at home the diversity it hides behind in Western cultures, until it discovers its womenfolk are co-equally God's own creatures, and until it learns to ignore or laugh at what misinformed or ignorant men may say about Islam or Islam's prophet, until that day the violence will continue."
God (or Allah or YHWH) help us all.
Robert L. Egolf is a physician. He lives in Ocala.
at February 2, 2007 1:26 PM
In the recent 'Undercover Mosques' documentary there is a scene where the speakerat a mosque in Birmingham encourages Muslims to behead any fellow Muslim who joins the army.
It is here
Posted by: Elephant at February 2, 2007 01:23 PM
Good one Elepjant, thanks
Posted by: Arnie at February 2, 2007 1:35 PM
"Mohammed Naseem... spoke of his conviction that the Government was 'pursuing a policy of maintaining a perception of a [terrorist] threat to justify the draconian anti-terror laws they have been passing'."
If this guy wants to be taken seriously as a political commentator, he needs to ditch his hairpiece. He wears the worst and most blindingly obvious toupee that I've ever seen. He probably bought it in an Islamabad bazaar 40 years ago, and can't bear to part with it. It looks like a cow pie on his head. Check it out here:
http://news.aol.co.uk/britain-compared-to-nazi-germany/article/20070202113309990001
at February 2, 2007 1:36 PM
""The identity of Muslims in the U.K. is Muslim first and foremost and British second,...a recent Pew global survey of Muslim attitudes that found that 81 percent of British Muslims who responded agreed with that sentiment. Only Pakistan had a higher percentage of people who considered themselves Muslims first, the survey showed."
.......Ban Muslim Immigration...they do not want to assimilate into your society...they want to conquer it.....
at February 2, 2007 2:07 PM
"He [83-year-old Mohammed Naseem, "a past champion of interfaith dialogue who was for many years regarded as a voice of Islamic moderation. A year ago, he was awarded an honorary doctorate by the University of Birmingham"].
went on to compare Tony Blair’s Britain to Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union under Stalin. People were beginning to realise, he said, that the Government had embarked on 'a campaign to strike terror in the hearts of the Muslim people.'"
-- from the article above
This shows the depth and immutability of the problem. Not a wild-eyed youth. An 83-year-old. Not an obvious fire-breathing Hamza at the Finsbury Mosaue, but "Mohammad Nasseem" a "past champion of interfaith dialoge" [oh, you know the type, the transparent type, and you know exactly what that "interfaith dialogue" turned out to be, and what it was always, by Muslims participating in it, intended to be]. He compares Great Britain to Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia. He talks of a "campaign to strike terror."
Really? Who is engaged in a "campaign to strike terror"? Who burns down 3,000 churhces and beheads little Christian schoolgirls in Indonesia? Who kills 200,000 people, one-third of the Christians of East Timor? Who puts a bomb in Bali to kill Westerners and the local Hindus, and then gets off nearly scot-free, or even scot-free? Who beheads Buddhist schoolteachers and monks and farmers, merely going about their business, in southern Thailand? Who kills Hindus as they happen to be passing a mosque as Friday Prayers are letting out, in Bangladesh? Who puts bombs in Mumbai? Who attacks India's Parliament building in New Delhi? Who puts bombs in Christian schools and hospitals in Pakistan? Who kills Assyrians and Chaldeans in Iraq? Who terrorizes Christian nurses and all others who dare to sing, behind closed doors, Christmas carols, or dare to read the Bible, and are seized and tortured as a result, in Saudi Arabia? Who attacks the Copts, the descendants of the original Egyptians, in their own country of Egypt, and kidnaps Coptic girls, and throws bombs into churches, and kills Coptic villagres and Coptic priests? Who slits the throats of the last French priests, and Italian monks, there on ly on a vocation of charity, in Algeria? Who seizes schools, and massacres schoolchildren, and blows up busses, and kills hitchhikers, and puts bombs that blow up pizzerias, cafes, Passover ceremonies, and bus after bus after bus, and kills, kills, kills, in Israel? Who kills the Maronites in Damour, and Jounieh, and elsewhere, cutting open the stomachs of pregnant Maronite women, and visits every conceivable atrocity on thousands upon thousands of Maronites and, indeed, other Christians? Who murders or starves to death the black African Christians of the southern Sudan, over twenty years of uninterrupted genocide, and seizes and enslaves black Africans for Arab masters? Who massacred the Christians in Kano and the rest of northern Nigeria, overnight, and then proceeded to conduct a "jihad" (as Colonel Ojukwu called it) against the Christians of southern Nigeria? Who is it who put the bombs in the Atocha station in Madrid? Who killed Theo van Gogh? Who helped to arrange the killing of Pim Fortuyn? Who applauded both killings? Who seized the school in Beslan rsulting the deaths of hundreds of schoolchildren? Who seized that theatree in Moscow, where the play "North" was being shown? Who killed elderly Jewish people in an Old Age home in Munich? Who killed elderly Jewish people who stopped in Vienna on their way from Russia to, at long last, Israel? Who plotted to poison the water supply in Milan? Who threatned to kill the journalist for the Rai and Corriere della Sera Magdi Allam, who now must go about with several armed guards? Who threatened to kill Oriana Fallaci? Who threatens to kill Geert Wilders in The Netherlands? Who threatens to kill Carl Hagen, leader of a Chrsitian party in Norway? Who threatened to kill every journalist connected to the Danish paper Jyllands-Posten, and extended that threat to include every Dane found in the lands of Islam? Who threatened the life of Robert Redeker, after he published a single article analyzing and criticizing Islam, and threatened as well the life of his family? Who threatened whom in order to botain the firing of Will Cummins from the British Council after he published a few articles critical of Islam? Who got Riley-Smith fired from his television job for making remarks deemed critical of Islam? Who organized demonstrations in the middle of Paris where people shouted death to France? Who organized demonstrations in the middle of London where people shouted "death to the English" and "death to Infidels" and "England is ours"? Who killed Jews on the street in Antwerp, and Toronto, and attacks them so often that they cannot wear any outward sign of being Jews, in Paris, in London, in god-knows-where? Who prevents speakers from speaking, shouting them down, threatening them with physical attacks, in Montreal at Concordia University, at San Francisco, at Georgetown, at in Ottawa churches, and everywhere they can?
Who, who, who?
Posted by: Hugh at February 2, 2007 2:16 PM
Are they suffering from Christianophobia?.....Could the crusades be a recurring event or close at hand?.....
....People are getting angry....on both sides....
Posted by: exsgtbrown at February 2, 2007 2:18 PM
Dear Arnie
You are welcome.
At the 46 minute point of the documentary it shows a speaker in the Sparkbrook mosque saying that the hero of Islam is the one who separates the head from the shoulders of a Muslim who serves in the British army in Afghanistan.
at February 2, 2007 2:27 PM
Islam is a religion for low-EQ people.
Those who join it, do so because they themselves are flawed to begin with.
This is why they'll always seek to pin the blame on others, even if it means wallowing in self-pitying fantasies.
Posted by: sanman at February 2, 2007 2:29 PM
Re: Dr Nasseem, 83, yesterday told The Times of his certainty that the nine arrested men were innocent of any crime and would eventually be released without charge.
And if he's wrong it will all be the two Muslim soldiers' fault. It's always somebody else that is at fault.
at February 2, 2007 2:36 PM
Turnspeak: illustrating the victim as the perpetrator...
http://www.geocities.com/media_maccabee/Turnspeak.html
...learning the language of the enemy...
Posted by: squire at February 2, 2007 2:37 PM
Isn't this just a case of Muslims being Ifidelophobics?
Posted by: getrealnow4 at February 2, 2007 2:49 PM
kaffirphobia - ah, now that is funny.
Clearly muslins suffer from extreme kaffirphobia.
I am starting KAIR Kaffir American islamic Relations. And I will be quick to claim victimization and threaten lawsuits whenever I feel that a muslim has acted and spread kaffirphobia.
Posted by: KillHankKill at February 2, 2007 2:49 PM
Ps. If they don't like Britain, then they can return to their host countries. Or, here is a radical idea, start speaking out against terrorism instead of being the eternal victims.
They are their own worst enemies.
Posted by: KillHankKill at February 2, 2007 2:52 PM
Re: "They are trying to kill off the same people that feed them and give them free housing and this is the thanks to the host nation".
They don't see it that way. It's all owed to them, and when they are required to deport themselves, when the benefits are terminated, they will blame the host country. Generosity often validates a sense of entitlement in the receiver, and a resentment of the person(s) who are generous. It takes emotional maturity to be grateful for the other's generosity. They resent the generosity as coming from an inferior. (It's a satanic pride, a rejection of love.)
Posted by: Frank at February 2, 2007 2:58 PM
There is a delightful article in Al Guardian which equates 'Muslims with Jews' in their dreadful opression by Infidels.Written by a Muslim of course. Surprised to see in 'Comments'-ye Gods ,Guardian actually allows unflattering comments to their hallowed hogwash-most of replies challenge her-which gives one a glimmer of hope that even Liberals are beginning to question 'Islam is a Religion of Peace' mantra.
However,am seething myself.Has just been announced that 300 places at local University are being made available for SAUDI ARABIAN STUDENTS.Ours is a small town of 147,000-5yrs ago there was no mosque & hardly a hijab in sight-now there is a concrete monstrosity FUNDED BY SAUDI ARABIA with more Muslims appearing on the streets,usually a bored looking male seeming to distance himself from 'the wife' and her pushchair containing a baby & todlers clinging to the side...One of our dimwit politicians brightly exclaimed "It is the New Zealand Education system which makes them [Saudis] want to come here." Oh yeah!More like this quiet backwater is a perfect place for Jihadists to train among unsuspecting,rather naive Kiwis who prefer to watch sport than tune in to what is happening in the world.
at February 2, 2007 2:58 PM
"He (Dr Nasseem) went on to compare Tony Blair’s Britain to Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union under Stalin. People were beginning to realise, he said, that the Government had embarked on “a campaign to strike terror in the hearts of the Muslim people”.
Notice that Dr Nasseem compares Tony Blair’s Britain to Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union under Stalin. He doesn't mention Islamic societies like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, or scores of others, where the lives of Jews and Christians are hardly worth a pluged nickel, and couldn't hope to enjoy the rights and protections of their Muslim neighbors.
I guess it's not so hard to understand when one realizes that Dr Nassem considers these murderous Islamic socities perfectly normal expressions of the will of God.
If Hitler and Stalin were Muslims, and carried out their murders in the name of Allah and Islam, and claimed to be killing in a holy war against Infidels, the good Doctor wouldn't have the slightest problem with either of these men.
at February 2, 2007 3:02 PM
"This fits a growing perception of a post-9/11 world in which innocent Muslims are demonised, and the terror threat manufactured to suit the dark designs of the West’s Judaeo-Christian elite."
As an American Roman Catholic I have called the modern West's "ELITE" many things but never "Judaeo-Christian". If the Islamics gain the upper hand, the resistance won't come from the "elites" of academia, the legislatures, the media, etc. It will be the devout laypeople in the pews of non-elite synagogues and churches who will put up the last brave gasp of freedom.
Posted by: bevc at February 2, 2007 3:03 PM
I hope the police really have discovered evidence to shut up those whining "victims".
Soon the sincere and profuse apologies will follow.
COUGH !
Well considering these victims won`t have the decency to do so perhaps George Galloway or
Ken Livingstone will convey these apologies for
them( ......very quiet aren`t they ?)
COUGH!
I do not know how many times i have heard the
words integration and muslim areas in the same sentence this week , says it all doesn`t it MUSLIM AREAS !
Again i ask , WHY IS THIS BOOKSHOP STILL OPEN ?
Hopefully a few apologists will think long and hard about this whole disguting mess.
at February 2, 2007 3:09 PM
Darwinists, now that’s a new one. I can only assume they are against it because they feel left out.
Is the Cow not scared in India? Not that I care. Are the Russians still going around poisoning their enemies? Again, not that I care. So what does racism have to do with it? Back away from the word racism, it really means very little these days, with every one and their mother whipping it out and brandishing it like it was a switchblade.
at February 2, 2007 3:41 PM
same old, same old, islam is the land of victimhood.
poor babies, they just dont know where to turn to.. let me give them a hint, you dont want to be part of the 21st century and the "human race" then leave! go back to your cesspoolstan.
at February 2, 2007 3:48 PM
Sounds like another acute case of western-phobia that seems to have swept the paranoid islamic world.
Yup, they are western-phobes...you heard it here on JW first.
at February 2, 2007 4:42 PM
"Yes people, Russians, Indians, Muslims and the rest of the world are supersticious fools. That is what these cultures are. You can put them in suits, make them millionaires and used silverware, but at the end of the day Putin is using Polonium to poison people, Indians think cows are sacred and Muslims think everything is a plot to get them so the mahdi can come back and save them.
Posted by Lame cherry
Lame Cherry you are a fucking idiot
"the rest of the world are supersticious fools. That is what these cultures are."
Lame Cherry
please describe exactly what your culture is
For your information cows are actually sacred
no really they fucking are
"what these cultures are"
you know fuck all about culture
why do I hate you so much
at February 2, 2007 4:43 PM
Some muslims might just see a deserter in any muslim serving the British army, after all England belongs to islam's house of war. And executing deserters in wartimes has never been considered a crime..
Churchill was one of the few who foresaw the dangers of the totalitarian Nazism. Being laughed at and ignored at first he finally (and sadly) proved to be 100% right.
A good reason to pay some attention to his remarks on islam as well? The islam he witnessed is the islam of 100 years ago but that shouldn't really matter with a religion that got stuck in the 7th century anyway.
"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property - either as a child, a wife, or a concubine - must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men." (Winston Churchill in his 1899 book "The River War")
You can download the complete book for free on http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/4943
at February 2, 2007 5:23 PM
If muslims cannot assimilate into western cultures then maybe they should leave. Why should western cultures give special priviledges to muslims?? Muslims are not , I repeat, not any better than nonmuslims.
Muslims are always crying that they are being discriminated against. They have more freedoms in western societies than in their countries of origin. If there is discrimination, it is the Muslims who discriminate against minority religions.
Many imams who preach jihad are two-headed snakes. They sprewl out hatred in their sermons. Waging jihad against the infidels. Those imams should lose their citizenships and be deported to anatarctica.
Posted by: callmeinfidel at February 2, 2007 6:34 PM
bush's wasn't kidding. the military deployments are going on. I suppose quietly - for most Americans.
bush is now asking for 50,000 more men and 100 billian US$.
My son in the U.S. Navy here - for the last few years- is being shipped out - until May.
God help us ALL!
You know it's frightening across the board.
BECAUSE WE LIKE FOOLS - ARE BEING LEFT WITHOUT PROTECTIONS AT HOME!
The main part of the military was taken out of here in 2003 - the National Guards has been taken out - the Reserves and those on call.
We're wide open for disaster!
If any emergency - who know from where - but that's the idea of having the National Guard here and ready - but now we have no one.
If there's any emergency it oup to us - the civilians to defend the country.
By one means or another.
Posted by: allat at February 2, 2007 6:49 PM
My son in the U.S. Navy here - for the last few years- is being shipped out - until May.
God help us ALL!
Indeed allat
my prayers are with everyone in the military especially with their parents. What a F****** mess!
at February 2, 2007 8:05 PM
"And Dr Naseem is said to be a voice of the mainstream. Indeed, he explicitly condemns terrorism and “the killing of innocent people”."
from the article
And sargeant7 said: "Since muslims only believe that the only innocents are muslims - his statement is misleading."
Kudos to s_sgt7 for pointing that out but it's also interesting that the Times Online apparently knows their Islam, which is presumably why they put that whole comment about "the killing of innocent people" in quotes in the first place. I also noticed that they referred to Dr Naseem as someone who "is said to be" a mainstream voice, suggesting that they are on to the game. I'll take it as a general sign that 'The Times, they are A-Changing..."
Posted by: Caroline at February 2, 2007 8:47 PM
Maybe this is just the spark to put your unprotected ass back in survival mode, how do you think this nation got started in the first place, waiting for help!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: OLD SARGE at February 2, 2007 8:50 PM
If this is real paranoia, and uncertainty of their status in the UK, it is good. Keeping them off-balance is a heck of a lot better than letting them feel their oats.
The stupid "explanations"--oh forgive us dear Moslems, but we have to try and protect our loyal citizens from jihad-fueled attacks, the leaflets laying it all out and the how and why, the checking in before a raid,"Now here's how we're going to do it and where,"--result in a supposed "moderate" imam reverting to type, quickly and abruptly. One questions his "moderateness."
Paranoid, looking over their shoulder in fear of the law, is the best condition to be in for young Moslems with too much time on their hands, eager to score one for the old founder.
When you listen to them in the mosques, as we have via the u-tube presentation, you know that thie present situation cannot last. It will come to a head, and it will be a "mother."
Does anyone want to see thys? No! Blair, who is vying for the title of "the new Chamberlain" isn't helping, and neither is any UK dhimmi who feels the pain and paranoia of the "new" Eglishmen, Britons, or whatever you want to call them. They are not of any "ancestry" or "descent," they are what they are: Moslems first, last and always.
So what's Britain going to do about them?
I have ideas--oh do I have ideas--and I am certain that there are many others, disgusted with the deportment of these "immigrants," who if in postions of authority would know what to do.
Alas, the weak sisters are at the helm--there and here. The Tonys, Kens, Royal Charles', Condis, and G.Ws.
Posted by: unicorns62000 at February 2, 2007 9:25 PM
postscript to my last post:
re "If we--who know what to do with these paranoiacs were in positions of authority . . . "
Perhaps that is why we are not in positions of authority, and perhaps that is a "good thing."
To call for unbridled violence is not. Keep cool and let things develop in our favor--quietly, without commotion, but with the desired effect.
Posted by: unicorns62000 at February 2, 2007 9:31 PM
"Razdan,
he is lashing out into all directions, hence he said also the rest of the world. I don't think he ment a particular race but all mankind."
Posted by: Arnie at February 2, 2007 01:21 PM
Uh, no Arnie. Lame Cherry knew exactly what he was saying. Trust me on this one. Ever heard of the "Bell Curve?"
at February 2, 2007 10:09 PM
ppps to my last (ps) post:
"Perhaps that is why we are not in positions of authority, and perhaps that is a 'good thing.'"
Then again, perhaps not.
keep e'm guessing. Keep 'em off balance. Paranoia is a wonderful weapon; it feeds itself.
Posted by: unicorns62000 at February 2, 2007 10:09 PM
I welcome the idea that the Muslims of the UK are suffering from Paranoia. Too Baad.
Maybe with some more Paranoia, they will realize that there are spies among them. A few ritual killings should take care of that. When they are jailed for that, the Paranoia will start to take over.
I actually love it. Let them spew the hate they do on Fridays. They will be recorded and eventually exposed.
I still think that the English will wake up although, rather late. I'm starting to look for a far-right junta to take over the government.
Posted by: credit man at February 2, 2007 10:47 PM
YES you muslims the whole thing was a big government conspiracy, just a lie, flee the UK for the land of your ancestors and allies NOW. Saudis have lots of room and it will save them having to smuggle the money to you.
Posted by: Catawhumpus at February 2, 2007 10:54 PM
He was keen to appeal for calm yesterday and to urge Muslims “not to lose their dignity by taking the law into their own hands”.
This is a threat!
In other words- Stop these anti-terrorist operations or we will go on the rampage. "Taking the law into their own hands" can only mean breaking the law.
Posted by: Dsinc at February 3, 2007 12:44 AM
"kaffirphobia" is the new trend. The way to go to make them leave.
Hope other countries will follow suit.
at February 3, 2007 3:42 AM
THE arrest of nine terrorist suspects in Birmingham proves Muslims in Britain are being "persecuted" like Jews in Nazi Germany, an Islamic community leader has claimed.
While at the other hand school girls in Pakistan prepare for suicide attacks.
http://www.civoc.com/society/2007/02/03/pakistan-schoolgirls-want-to-become-suicide-bombers/
at February 3, 2007 4:09 AM
Really, Mother? You're quite sure about that I assume?
I think everyone should be able to state their views here openly and honestly. Alas, that's not always the case. Do a little research on those who speak out about "Christian Identity" and those who hate all religous people.
Islam is the problem, NOT Judaism nor Christianity etc. etc.
Now, see this post by Lame Cherry and mgoldberg's correct response to him:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/015055.php
I think I've left you a sufficient hint as to the identity of Lame Cherry...
at February 3, 2007 9:26 AM
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