Having bush al-saud's fbi "fight terror" is like having his border patrol "secure our borders" and his military "win in iraq."

Now everybody clap as he spearheads the effort to create the nth + 1 M.E. muslim terror state, "palestine," in Eretz Yisrael.

Posted by: Arm A. Geddon at February 8, 2007 4:35 PM

"The Muslims are 'in denial' over the threat in their midst, one senior officer said, adding: "All they say is 'There is no problem. Stop picking on us.'"
-- from the article above

In "denial" or merely denying? There is a difference.

Posted by: Hugh at February 8, 2007 5:05 PM

"Stop picking on us.'"

...Infidels could say the same.....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at February 8, 2007 5:09 PM

Oh no this can't be true as on 24 I saw all Muslims just want to be reached to and will be loyal. We know this as Iraq was such a resounding success in Bush being told to reach out by "experts" to thugs and they would play nice.

Somewhere there is a sh*t for brains class being taught to most American kids because they don't understand that pedophiles are pedophiles, murderers are murderers and anarchists are anarchists for a reason.....THEY WANT TO BE!

Muslims are a sexual psychopathy suffering from the same oversexed mantra which governed Muhammed. The day he died he was concerned about who he was going to have sex with. That is their historical written message.
Muslim males love Islam as it feeds their Dom to prey on women and kids as they are weak males.
Muslim females are sub and it allows them to dominate as all subs do the weaker male.

Until the FBI and all these other "experts" start listening to people who take this "religion" apart in knowing America is facing the exact replica of the Japanese god hero worship to suicide, there are not going to be any solutions.

Islam's must be defanged.

Posted by: Lame Cherry at February 8, 2007 5:26 PM

Well, in America you're free; even free to copy crimes in which Justice can't do anything until a crime has been committed. It does keep the F.B.I. on the edge of their seats anyway.

Posted by: Jeff at February 8, 2007 5:51 PM

Looking for something quite different, I came across this essay by G.K.Chesterton. Now on JW/DW, LGF and other sites, we have characterised this war as not a war between civilisations but one between civilisation and barbarism. In this essay, Chesterton defines the essence of barbarism, but in the context of Prussia. Some of the language is not quite consonant with our PC times, nonetheless, this essay rings true in this war. Recommend it to all.

The Appetite of Tyranny

Download it and read at leisure.

Posted by: DP111 at February 8, 2007 5:57 PM

That’s not exactly correct Jeff. You don’t have to actually commit murder to be prosecuted for conspiracy to commit murder.
http://americandefenseleague.com/conspdef.htm

Posted by: tgusa at February 8, 2007 6:06 PM

@DPIII

From "The Appetite of Tyranny":

"The definition of the true savage is that he laughs when he hurts you; and howls when you hurt him."

Just think of the Palestinians! Think of the Flying Immams! Think of CAIR and its minions!

Just think of Wuzlims!

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at February 8, 2007 6:12 PM

What took them so long?

I can't understand why there are still Muahmmedans in the police-force, in the army, homeland-security and even in government?!

Its like hiring and employing Soviet commie-spies during the height of the cold war.
All hope is not lost, we are still trying to get the message out. But what will it take to really make fundamental changes?

http://sheikyermami.com/2007/02/08/saudi-fat-cat-peace-is-incompatible-with-the-concept-of-a-fortress-israel/

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at February 8, 2007 6:14 PM

From the article:

The Muslims are "in denial" over the threat in their midst, one senior officer said, adding: "All they say is 'There is no problem. Stop picking on us.' "

First of all, the threat is not "in their midst" since the muslim community is not the target of those threats. And second, can't some Western scholar w/ a jaundiced view of islam (read Robert or Hugh) please explain to the FBI that mohammed enjoined muslims from siding with or aiding infidels against other muslims? Muslims in denial over the threats posed by their fellow muslims? Hardly. They're just practicing their religion. Heck, I'll bet it's one of islam's deceptive tatics to promise cooperation w/ law enforcement re informing on would-be trouble-makers in a deliberate effort to head off any attempts by law enforcement to infiltrate mosques or plant eavesdropping devices in them.

Posted by: sheik yer booty at February 8, 2007 6:18 PM

Distrust, Islam, FBI? Hmmm. Well there are some things about the FBI that I don't trust either.

Will the FBI ever be able to get cooperation from Mulims? I sincerely doubt it. Why waste the money trying to get some of these Muslims to come to the table. The guys at CAIR don't trust the FBI so why should the muslims in the street? The fat guy, Ibhriham Hooper, (Porky Pig) is always accusing everyone of Islamophobia. Why not it keeps you alive.

We will only get cooperation when the deportations start. When the volitle imams are gone and their henchman are sent back to cessapoolistan the Yhetti like "moderate muslims" may appear.

Posted by: credit man at February 8, 2007 6:19 PM

The FBI, like a lot of people, need to have more faith in probability. They need to ask themselves: How probable is it that thousands of people all over the world reading the Islamic holy texts, just happen to coincidentally decide to become terrorists?
Must be something funny in those texts.

Posted by: jewdog at February 8, 2007 7:00 PM

Robert Spencer, you have opened my eyes. I always knew these people were prone to barbarism, but until I read your books "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam and the Crusades" (excellent) and "The Truth About Muhammad" (not quite done with that one), I thought there could be friendly devout Muslims. Now, I have a deeper understanding, and never fail to see through their rhetoric. Yet, I'm amazed at how clueless those who elicit this rhetoric invariably are. For example, Sean Hannity -- for two nights so far, and I just heard him on the radio -- has been focusing on the DNC guy's statement about "opression" and "occupation," never once indicating any understanding of the much more significant "who God dooms" statement.

Keep up the good work, and thank you. You are helping our children more than anyone I can think of.

Posted by: Extraneus at February 8, 2007 7:02 PM

"We're spending more money on outreach . . . so we can say: 'Please help us.

What's all this "outreach" bull???

If a Christian fundamentalist blew up an abortion clinic, and killed a couple Doctors doing it, he would be labeled a murderer, and he could look forward to the rest of his life in prison, and maybe even death row.

Can anyone even emagine the FBI responding by starting an "outreach" program to conservative Christian churches?

Can anyone even emagine that the FBI would think thay needed such a progran to wean young Christians away from the destructive influences of their Priests, Ministers and scriptures?

When have we ever needed an "outreach" program to any religious faith in our history to persuade them not to commit acts of terror against other members of society?

The fact that we have "outreach" programs to Muslims just to convince them not to kill the rest of us, should tell us that they don't have the slightest clue about what it is to be an American.

We would have better luck with "outreach" programs to the Mafia. At least they don't commit their crimes in the name of God.

Posted by: rational at February 8, 2007 7:11 PM

Denial........

the mos deny that the cult of islam is terroristic regardless of the millions murder by the muzzards in the last twenty years.

the democrats deny that the cult of islam is terroristic regardless of all of the inside info provide by the CIA and FBI.........

deny, deny, deny and it must then be true.....

when the blood is running down their necks from the slashes in their necks the dems will realize the truth about the cult of islam and it evil violence..........

if 1% of the mos were converted away from islam.....13 million....there is still an estimated 260 million radical muslims and another 1 billion that support them.........

you can not make peace with those that want no peace..........war is inevitable with the cult of islam..........

prepare be armed be ready.

The Texican.
God Family America Freedom the only choice at any cost.

Posted by: The Texican at February 8, 2007 7:26 PM

Being forgetful, I can't recall who stated it thusly ...

FBI = Fooled By Islam

... but it sure fits.

With apologies to a fellow jihadwatch.org commenter for borrowing this and using it here.

Posted by: LoneRanger at February 8, 2007 8:22 PM

@Texican.....

I could not agree more.....

If only more people would wake up and smell the gun powder.....

.....sadly, most ..... people wont wakr up til its to late.....

Posted by: infidelette at February 8, 2007 8:30 PM

rational you grabbed it. I have emphasized many times that there is a group of people coming to live among us who are inherently non-citizens; although, they may be citizens by label. This group is eternally hostile to the citizens. The FBI’s goal of forever supervising this group is flawed in many senses:
1. Supervision will not change the nature of the group.
2. Places where the group exists might go unnoticed.
3. Places (e.g., local government, local FBI offices, and state positions) where the group dominates administration will receive protection by the administration from the FBI.
4. Supervision will decrease as the group grows.
5. Imbalance of rights (granted by residency/government/constitution and more rights taken from an anti-citizen status) in favour of the group over the FBI gives the group an advantage over the FBI. (Simply put, the group has more rights than the FBI, so the FBI is doomed in this fight.)

Feel free to add to the list….

Posted by: ofcourse at February 8, 2007 8:36 PM

There seems to be a growing split within the fbi between those who sympathise with muslims and those who dont. I do know that every new agent must undergo muslim sensitivity training. What a crock of bravo sierra that is.

Posted by: rude chick at February 8, 2007 8:44 PM

The FBI’s goal of forever supervising this group is flawed in that the upper levels of management in the FBI enforce a PC doctrine of appeasement on the field agents at the lower levels.

Posted by: rude chick at February 8, 2007 8:47 PM

“We are fighting terrorists in Iraq so that we don’t have to fight them here.”

This is the basic assumptions of the clueless cons and libs as well. Anyone has knowledge of Islam knows that Islamic terrorists are not a set number of radicals but are typical of any Muslim who can pick up and follow the Koran. Yes, we can kill thousands of Muslim terrorists but there are thousands more ready to take their place. As long as there a Koran there will b terrorists, only thing we can do is to punish the whole group of Muslims collectively so that no Muslim will dare to attack. Muslims only understand one thing and that’s strength everything else is capitulation.

Posted by: desidude at February 8, 2007 9:05 PM

FBI Muslim Sensitivity Training Seminar, February 9, 2007, 1:15 pm - 7:30 pm.

After introductory remarks by Senior Officer Stan Dimmikovsky, the floor is passed to Cultural Liaison Specialist Eric Husayn Al-MacGregor, who begins today's seminar by silently drawing on the overhead projector a giant circle, then a thin slice of pie within that circle. He looks out at the audience of dutifully listening and notetaking agents.

"You see this giant circle?" he asks rhetorically. "That is Islam -- a diverse combination of many different beliefs and ways of life, all moderate and harmless."

He points to the thin slice of pie within the circle with his blue marker.

"You see this thin slice? This represents those few Muslims who are hijacking Islam and misinterpreting its doctrines of peace, tolerance and progressive values."

An agent in the audience raises his hand.

"What about jihad," the agent asks. "-- the doctrine of holy war? Isn't that a main part of Islam?"

"I'm glad you asked that," Specialist Al-MacGregor says, one hand casually in his pants pocket as he leans one hip against the overhead projector. "Actually, that's a common misunderstanding: "jihad" is actually an interior spiritual and psychological goal. The word literally means "struggle" and most of the time in Islam, it refers to the spiritual and ethical struggles that Muslims are supposed to pursue to make life better..."

And so the seminar goes, for its nearly six hours, with only one coffee break.

Posted by: remote_control at February 8, 2007 9:15 PM

Will the "real" Muslim please stand up?

The FBI wears the same dark hood as the Bush administration. With this hood they step into the ring to fight the "enemy". They take a punch and they swing wildly at where the punch came from... the puncher has moved to another spot. They take a punch to the head and they swing wildly etc. etc. etc.

Posted by: Briars at February 8, 2007 9:45 PM

desidude
You are absolutely correct.

Posted by: pismopal at February 8, 2007 9:46 PM

I wonder if listening devices are out there for us ordinary people. Then next time the local mosque has a night for infidels to take a look at the "peaceful" mosque, we can plant devices in there. If people can buy toast with the image of the Virgin Mary on it, then surely there are "bugs" out there on eBay.

Now of course there is the issue of how to retrieve those "bugs" later on. Perhaps pretend you are interested in becoming a Muslim. Perhaps come with a friend who resembles a Muslim (ie an Indian, Arab Christian, or even anyone who just happens to have olive skin and a beard. Plenty of Greeks do, like Mr. Spencer for example). And then there's the issue of whether to give them first to the Feds (and we know how useful they are) or to leak them on the web.

I best be off to bed. I've got a Chemistry exam to study for. But this is something to think about.

Posted by: wrathofasma at February 9, 2007 3:04 AM

I am one of the active users of www.pray-in-time.org - web site where muslims are getting correct prayer time for any location in the world.
They have forums there where one can see what attract interest and attention of modern muslims-internet users.
And there are discussion re Danish Cartoons scandal.
There are interesting opinions re who faked these cartton and who took bonuses from it. People are talking about a fight for moderate muslims. Radical Islam wants to have them united for jihad and inspires scandals, that will lead to the radicalization of Islam.

Posted by: Azan at February 9, 2007 4:05 AM

Qur'an Seminar:

You see that big circle? That's Islam

You see that thin blue slice? That's the proportion of Muslims who believe that armed jihad is not justified.

-Stefcho

Posted by: Stefcho at February 9, 2007 4:50 AM

Ynkedoodl2

Good you read it. There are many more similarities between the Prussian/Nazi versions and Islam. I copied the essay onto Word, then started highlight the Prussioan?Nazi variety with Islam. The whole essay started to light up.

This war has been characterised by Huntingdon as the "Clash of civilisations". From the start I posited that it was not a war between civilisations but one between civilisation and barbarism. Many have talked of barbarism, and even "barbarians" denote their enemies as "barbarians". I was finding it difficult to define what constituted barbarism, except in the vague sense that any ideology that violated the codes of liberal democracy, was in someway barbarian.

This essay by Chesterton is a must read.

The Appetite of Tyranny

Posted by: DP111 at February 9, 2007 6:01 AM

Ynkedoodl2

More from the appetite of Tyranny - Civilisation and Barbarism

1. There is another idea in human arrangements so fundamental as to be forgotten; but now for the first time denied. It may be called the idea of
reciprocity; or, in better English, of give and take. That is what I mean by not being reciprocal: and you will find it in all that they do: as in all that is done by savages.(Pope Benedicy has also noted that therte is no reciprocity with Islam)

2. First of
all, there is a curious, cloudy sort of argument, much affected by the professional rhetoricians of Prussia, who are sent out to instruct and
correct the minds of Americans or Scandinavians (Taqqiya bearing Imams).

3. Barbarism - For we do not mean anything that is an imperfect civilisation by accident. We mean something that is the enemy of civilisation by design. But (in our meaning) barbarism is not a matter of methods but of aims.

It is essential that this perilous peculiarity in the Pruss, or Positive Barbarian, should be seized. He has what he fancies is a new idea; and he is going to apply it to everybody. As a fact it is simply a false generalisation; but he is really trying to make it general

4. He does not think, as the Prussian would, that he has made a new discovery in physiology in
finding that a woman is weaker than a man (Islam does).

5. No; thedanger of the Pruss is that he is prepared to fight for old errors as if they were new truths. He has somehow heard of certain shallow simplifications; and imagines that we have never heard of them. And, as I have said, his limited but very sincere lunacy concentrates chiefly in a desire to destroy two ideas, the twin root ideas of rational society. The first is the idea of record and promise (Treaty of Hudaibya anyone?)

On that solitary string (of a promise or treaty) hangs everything from Armageddon to an almanac, from a successful revolution to a return ticket. On that solitary string the Barbarian is hacking heavily, with a sabre which is fortunately blunt.

6. Do what he will, he cannot get outside the idea that he, because he is he and not you, is
free to break the law; and also to appeal to the law.

On women in civilised nation or in barabric culture (Chesterton examines the Prussian)

Thus, the two extremes of the treatment of women might be represented by what are called the respectable classes in America and in France. In America they choose the risk of comradeship; in France the compensation of courtesy. In America it is practically possible for any young gentleman to take any young lady for
what he calls (I deeply regret to say) a joy-ride; but at least the man goes with the woman as much as the woman with the man. In France the young woman is protected like a nun while she is unmarried; but when she is a mother she is really a holy woman; and when she is a grandmother she is a holy terror. By both extremes the woman gets something back out of life. There is only one place where she gets little or nothing back; and that is the north of Germany. France and America aim alike at equality; America by similarity; France by dissimilarity. But North Germany does definitely aim at inequality. The woman stands up, with no more irritation than a butler; the man sits down, with no more embarrassment than a guest. This is the cool affirmation of inferiority, as in the case of the sabre and the
tradesman. "Thou goest with women; forget not thy whip," said Nietzsche. It will be observed that he does not say "poker"; which might come more
naturally to the mind of a more common or Christian wife-beater. But then a poker is a part of domesticity; and might be used by the wife as well as the husband. In fact, it often is. The sword and the whip are the weapons of a privileged caste.

There is more.

Posted by: DP111 at February 9, 2007 6:23 AM

here's another one in denial:

http://sheikyermami.com/2007/02/09/elbaradei-warns-us-and-iran-against-an-unstoppable-chain-reaction/

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at February 9, 2007 6:34 AM

For muslims the West is part of the house of war. In their own terms they are on the enemy's territory.
And when you're on the enemy's territory you are at war. Distrusting the enemy seems only natural.
That's what the quran tells them, that's what Mohammed teached them. Mohammed is considered the perfect man - by moderate Muslims as well as radicals. Yet I wonder if anyone with a Western background would dare call Mohammed a moderate - ordering assasinations, looting, organizing raids, taking the wives and daughters of his beheaded opponents etc, etc. Even if we admit that occasionally he was benevolant - by pardonning the one or other who dared to stand up against him.
So what effects does it have to encourage muslims to live their religion, a religion rooted profoundly in the life and teaching of such a man?
Other question - would Christians be what they are if Jesus instead of being crucified without resistance had instead asked his followers to behead his opponents? If he had asked them to rob their neighbours and give him 20% of the booty? If the martyrs wouldn't be praised for the pains they suffered but for the pains they inflicted onto others?

Posted by: flibustier at February 9, 2007 8:32 AM

okay - this seems confusing to some:

None of the four -- three U.S.-born citizens and one Pakistani immigrant -- fit a terrorist profile. They had no ties to foreign extremists or radical imams, and their public behavior had drawn no attention

Until the ideas of muslim vs. unbeliever, the house of Islam vs. the house of War and the open-ended command to fight until there is no more al-fitnah/i> and all religion is for Allah are understood by political, media, religious, social, military and law enforcement personnel we will continue to be 'surprised' and 'confused'.

the recent incident involving the Saint Charles, MO man, a Jordanian immigrant, shows the FBI looking for ties to known groups:

During 3½ hours in the store's back room, they asked him for personal information and asked what he knew about the M-16, he said. Sumad said he lied and told agents he didn't know anything about the gun. He said he didn't want them to associate him with Abuelawi or the weapon.

Sumad said the FBI asked him about overseas money transfers, whether he was a member of the factions Hamas or Fatah, and what he thought of President George W. Bush and the war in Iraq.

Note the FBI seems to be asking about political affiliations. I wonder if they ask these guys about deeper connections and affiliations? Hamas and Fatah are merely the most recent names of very old things. I wonder if the FBI guys connect the dots?

Suburban Jihad

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at February 9, 2007 10:22 AM