In my opinion, even if they (Hamas) agreed to "recognise" Israel, it would not be any reason TO support the Palestinians. I might not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but how can you "respect" an accord without being commited to it?

It sounds to me like the same rubbish that we always hear... all they likely agreed upon was to refocus their hostilities against Israel... "can't we all get along? ...and kill the Jews!"

Posted by: gnegypt at February 11, 2007 6:59 AM

Gnegypt raises a good question. How can one "respect" an accord that one is "committed" to? The answer is by not "honoring" it. In other words, the unity government of Hamasistan will "respect" all prior agreements, but not "honor" or follow them! No contradiction hear, move along. Why pay attention to the mutterings of murderers and liars.

The good news is the the government of Hamasistan now becomes a legitimate target.

Posted by: David England at February 11, 2007 7:14 AM

Some people will do anything for a Billion Dollars. No need for the West to continue Ecomonic aid seeing the Saudis are opening up the Purse strings.

Can we now come up with a Billion reasons why Fatah and Hamas will not get along in the future?

Posted by: flowerknife_us at February 11, 2007 7:44 AM

That's all about the 1967 territories. It's all because of the Six-Day War, right? Evacuate the 1967 territories and it's all peace and flowers, right?

Nope. Nope nope. Take a look at this:

The Future Vision of the Palestinian Arabs in Israel, by National Committee.
Subtitle: Report, The National Committee for the Heads of the Arab Local Authorities in Israel, 12 January 2007; The following is an excerpt from "The Future Vision of the Palestinian Arabs in Israel," a report issued in December 2006.

If anyone thinks the world believes just that "1967 was a mistake", he'd better get up to date. The world now believes, with an acceptability growing at breakneck pace, that "1947 was a mistake".

The stage is being set as we speak. HaShem help us all.

Posted by: ZionistYoungster at February 11, 2007 8:05 AM

Buy out Palestinians Save Yad Vashem

Buy out Palestinian Muslims on West Bank and Gaza to move to Syria, Jordan and Egypt. Their per capita income is 1300 dollars per year. This is about the same in Syria and Egypt. Note this is not purchasing power parity, but actual cash. Israelis have 20k per capita income.

By paying the new host country 650 dollars and each person 650, all per year, Israel and they earn arbitrage. They get to keep what they make in the new country and Israeli per capita income would go up with them gone. So its win win.

The Muslim birth rate combined with their support of Islam means they will ethnically cleanse the Jews and Christians when they get the chance, there and here. If allowed to out breed the Jews and Christians then one day Yad Vashem will be closed by the Muslims and all the records burned. Same with the Holocaust Museum in DC.

Christians and Jews in Turkey in 20th Century

Posted by: Old Atlantic at February 11, 2007 8:42 AM

Well, Israel. I think the time has finally come to face reality. Namely, that the Palestinians will never let you live in peace no matter what you do and they will never stop trying to wipe you out. That being the case the time has come to forcibily expel the Palestinians from the occupied territories. Europe will, of course, moan and groan and complain and have an emotional fit but in the end that's all they'll do. What else are they capable of? In any case, the Pals have to go. Enough is enough. They had their chance repeatedly and they blew it.

Posted by: A.I. Steamroller at February 11, 2007 10:06 AM

The Jizyah is the name we give to the tax imposed in Muslim-ruled societies on the non-Muslims (so-called "protected people" -- protected, by a method of legalized community-wide extortion, from the Muslms themselves, who would otherwise be perfectly justified either in forcibly converting, or in killing, the non-Muslims impose forced conversion, or kill the Ideally, the Jizyah everywhere would stop. That is, the aid that is given, by Infidel nation-states, to Muslim nation-states and polities, out of some dreamy belief that this will somehow make those Muslims like us -- i.e., be less Muslim -- rather than simply make them better able to continue to engage in the Jihad, using whatever instruments come to hand, and are deemed most effective for a particular time or a particular place (from qitaal, or combat, to the money weapon, Da'wa, propaganda, and of course demographic conquest).

The aid that has been given by Infidel governments in Western Europe, and in North America, in the manner in which it is both given, and in which it has been received, and in which it is now by universal agreement of both donors and recipients assumed as being given as a matter of right, and can only be halted, and then only temporarily, in the most extreme circumstances, exhibits all the features of the Jizyah that for 1350 years was paid, by non-Muslims, to Muslims within those Muslim-dominated societies, and that is now being given, by non-Muslims, who even before their societies have been taken over by Muslims, have taught themselves the habit of dhimmitude, a proleptic state of psychological capitulation, befor those who would be judged both hostile and primitive by any rational and self-assured Western observer.

The local shock troops of the Lesser Jihad against Israel are those Arabs who renamed themselves, with cunning, in order to disguise as a "nationalist" undertaking -- you know, the "two tiny peoples" business, what otherwise would appear to be, as in fact it is and always has been, an enormous gang-up, by Arabs, and by other Muslims, with all their numbers and vast territories and incredible, unearned wealth from oil and gas deposits, on a sliver of land so small as to be nearly invisible on maps of the world. That "two tiny peoples" argument hides both the real basis for the refusal to recognize, and by "recognition" we mean of course not merely taking notice that Israel now exists (which is how Mahmoud Abbas and Fatah mean it, and of course have explained this to those stubborn members of Hamas who prefer the Fast Jihad to the Slow Jihad), but "recognition" as meaning -- yes, we accept you, in perpetuity, we have abandoned the ultimate goal of destroying Israel as a Jewish, i.e., Infidel, state, we have accepted the idea that non-Muslims, too, have histories, and rights, and we will in fact, extend that understanding to other non-Muslim peoples and, as well, to other Muslmi but non-Arab peoples, such as the Kurds, the Berbers, the black African Muslims in Darfur.

That, of course, will never happen. It can't happen becasue Muslims cannot go against the central duty of Jihad, and the basic opposition of Believer to Infidel that is to last for all time -- at least, they cannot do so and remain Muslims. And the hold of Islam on its brainwashed-from-birth followers is immense, is like no other religion, is like nothing so much as what happens to the fanatical members of a political cult, such as the Nazis or the Communists, where deviation from the party line could be grounds for removal and even imprisonment, even death.

Here we have a comical spectacle: two branches of the same army fighting the Lesser Jihad against Israel (which is only a local branch, or outpost, or manifestation of what is a World-Wide Jihad), meet under the auspices of the fabulously-rich Saudis. And the main point of the meeting is to arrive at some formula by whcih the Infidels will again have a flimsy formula offered them by which they, those Infidels, will turn on the spigot of aid. And the denial of that aid has been called, referred to endlessly, as a "blockade" or a "boycott." Now I wonder how many of us who in our own lives, out of some misguided impulse, heaped large sums of money on those who gave every indication of regarding us, despite that aid, as their permanent enemies ("Infidels"), who were to be regarded with contempt, with hostility (their holy books telling them they must not take us as friends, they must indeed, either "cut off the heads of the Unbelievers" or, if those Unbelievers -- and we are those Unbelievers -- are finally conquered, they are to be offered only a choice: death, conversion to Islam, or a permanent state of humiliation, degradation, and physical insecurity, that status known as being a "dhimmi," and its rules codified in the Shari'a or Holy Law of Islam. (See Antoine Fattal, "Le status legal des non-musulmanes en pays d'Islam").

Now, funnily, these sums we have been doling out to these people who are inculcated with the belief that we must be hated, we must ultimately be conquered and our lands made places where Isllam dominates ("Islam is to dominate and is not to be dominated") and Muslims rule, are regarded by us as something we simply must keep paying, otherwise those whom we initially may, out of ignorance and naivete, sought to treat with such kindness, such generosity, will turn on us, will harm us.

And in turn, those recipients of our largesse do not show us any kindness. They denounce us. They grab and kill our citizens, our aid-workers, our representatives coming to Gaza only to announce the winners of scholarships to Amnerica, our ambassadorial staff in Khartoum. They have not modified their murderous desires in the slightest, but have only used what aid the Infidels -- that is, we -- have given them -- to make war on other Infidels.

Now we have the Saudis, who have received several trillion dollars since 1973, and have never been asked, it seems, to divert some of the money they spend on sowing the seeds of Islam everywhee in the Western world, with mosques built, and then maintained, through Saudi (and other Arab) money -- in Rome, in London, in Paris, and in a thousand or ten thousand other places. In those mosques the most horrific sermons, the most horrific audiocassettes, the most horrific literature, denouncing the Infidels in murderous language, is a given, at least until some Infidel police manage to uncover, here and there, a particular case of what is in fact a systematic scandal.

Yet in Mecca, the Slow Jihadists of Abbas and the Fast Jihadists of Meshaal came away with the idea that the Infidels should renew their Jizyah. No one seems to think this absurd, in the Western world. No one seems to think that there is anything wrong with the Infidels, already having transferred ten trillion dollars -- the greatest transfer of wealth in human history -- to the almost entirely Muslim membership of OPEC since 1973, all because of an accident of geology and not out of any actual effort or merit on the part of those Arab and Muslim states that happen to sit on top ofr this oil, and who are going to continue to receive similar, though even larger sums, in the future, should be the ones properly asked to support -- if support there is to be -- for those local Arabs and fellow Muslims, whom some persit in pretending should be identified as a separate people -- what a semantic farce -0- that is, the "Palestinian people."

What presidential candidate will stand up and say what I have just written here? Who will stand up and say "Stop the Jizyah" and in saying that, start the public discussion of what the JIzyah is and always was, and point out the absurdity of the vast sums being spent, not only in Iraq to create that idiotic Light Unto the Muslim Nations, but also to create a pseudo-prosperity when there is no connection between prosperity and the fanaticism of Muslims purusing Jihad, but Infidel aid can only make that pursuit more likely, more easy of achievement. Finally, the man (or woman) who stands up and says simply -- We Must Not Renew The Jizyah to the "Palestinians" -- will also force others to discuss this matter, and to discuss as well, ways to use up Saudi Arabia's discreetionary income that it plows into the Jihad that harms us so much, and one of those ways is to make the poor Arabs and Muslims stop counting on the West, but to go hat in hand to the Saudis. Let them pay for the "Palestinians," let them keep Mubarak's Family-and-Friends plan going (why should Egyptians continue to blame Americans for propping up the corrupt and oppressive regime? Let them blame the Saudis). If Abdullah of Jordan is, as some say, a force for stability and "moderation" (this is the usual unthinking nonsense, but in the spirit of the first-year law student who likes to preface his remarks or his exam answer with "assuming arguendo" we can run with it here), then surely Saudi Arabia, that "stauch ally" of the United States, circumjacent to Jordan, has a much greater stake in that country's stability and prosperity, and should be the one most desirous to prop it up -- shouldn't it?

Not everyone in the United States is a fool. Not everyone shares the foolishenss, the mental inertia, or the sheer hectic vacancy and busy-busyiness (too busy to find out about Islam, too busy to read history, too busy to think) of those who are "taking a leadership role."

Be leaders. Study. Learn. Make sense of things, the way Washington, Adams, Jefferson, John Quincy Adams, Lincoln would have known how to do. You don't have to be as mediocre as you have allowed yourselves to be.

Those you presume to protect and instruct deserve better.

Posted by: Hugh at February 11, 2007 11:03 AM

Cutting off all aid to all muslim countries from the West is a starter, and let the sowdis take up the slack. give more guns to abbas's boys, who will in turn take on their brothers the hammas boys.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at February 11, 2007 4:33 PM

People are missing that the Muslims are dupes in Hamas and are meant like all Islam in being trained in schools for violence aimed at Judeans and the Anglo American west, so the Judeans and Americans will be blamed in the anihilation wars......while the central European cartels and their proxy Russian Bolshevik Nationalists coo "naught naughty" and pick of the pieces for power and gain.

Why on earth do you think Queenie Jordan is meeting with the Jesuit Pope and King Jordan is part of the European "peace" plan for them to gain control in the Middle East. The Europeans have given over a billion dollars to the PLO to murder Judeans while America backs the loosing side not represented by the Olmert cabal.
Jordan is thee partner as they get rid of their neo Syrian Palestinian problem in exchange. It is no accident the King turned on America which our CIA put him into power in the first place.
King has a new master and that master is cartel money and Jesuit influence.

This is meant to be war and is set up in kills zones as I have written extensively about. This is all about the central European Empire taking control which they are accomplishing.
European peacekeepers in control of Lebanon and soon the West Bank.

Posted by: Lame Cherry at February 11, 2007 6:18 PM

Where is Palestine ? Last I heard, they're all split-up into factions. Isn't kind of hard not to recognize Israel when if in fact, you don't exist anyway ? Ah, get a government !

Posted by: Jeff at February 11, 2007 7:40 PM

...No more foreign aid to countries or entities who promote and practice violent activites...No more shipments of food, medicine, or weapons to countries who promote and practice violent activies...

.......No more attempts at negotiating "peace agreements" with contries who promote and practice violent activites...

...No more....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at February 12, 2007 7:25 AM