WOW are they ever trying to hide this guys Islamic indoctrination....first he was at a wacko school...then the school was moderate....then he says MUSLIM FAITH...and now he was just in a Muslim nation.

Next I suppose Hussein Barak Obama (that IS his real name) will have only took a pee in the direction of Mecca, never left Hawaii and his real name is

Howard Brian BeautifulUSAvoteforMEMEME.

Posted by: Lame Cherry at February 12, 2007 2:59 PM

Does it matter?

Where is the difference between a childhood in a "largely Muslim country" and one in "the Muslim faith"? Show me a "largely Muslim country" whose children are NOT in "the Muslim faith".

Posted by: PMK at February 12, 2007 2:59 PM

This "quiet correction" standard is just too Orwellian for me. It's happening far too often as well.

Posted by: twoCents at February 12, 2007 3:01 PM

l had a very good laugh at this one! oh Obama your lyin eyes comes to mind. if he is not so worried that American voters would not care about his religion why does he change his story so much?
he is a great politician in facts tells good whoppers jusk like ol'Bubba!

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at February 12, 2007 3:06 PM

Between CAIR and Obama, the AP sure seems to be busy altering stories.

Posted by: DCWatson at February 12, 2007 3:10 PM

"Childhood years"? At what age was Barack Obama in Indonesia?

He's missing a trick. If he were to announce that he was raised, or was considered by some to be, a Muslim, but never accepted the faith, and openly demonstrated his Christianity just as soon as he safely could, that would gain him support. If he could depict himself, perhaps correctly, as an apostate, that would be even better: it would put him in the company of Ibn Warraq, Ayaan Hirsi Ali [he should start seeing her, start learning from her, and make sure those photographs of him with her are widely distributed, if he knows what's politically -- and morally, and intellectually -- good for him], Wafa Sultan, Ali Sina, Nonie Darwish, Walid Shoebat, and others: All the Best People Born Into Islam. For that is exactly what they are. Just the way those who were part of the Dissident Movement in the Soviet Union -- Andrei and Elena Sakharov, Valery Chalidze, Anatoly Jakobson, Andrei Amalrik, Yuri Galanskov, Pyotr Yakir, Naum Korzhavin, and a thousand others, were All The Best People in the Soviet Union.

When it comes to totalitarian belief-systems, always learn from, in depth, those who were born into societies ruled or suffused with that belief-system, and who mentally fought their way out. They should be the guides.

It's up to Barack Obama whether or not he shows himself to be able to recognize this, and to see right through Islam, and to express his opposition to the war in Iraq not as an act of appeasement, but because he abhors the "squandering" of men, money, materiel, and morale, and wishes to husband our resources in order to better defeat what he can call, for now, the "forces of Jihad." He can also talk, for a start, about how the "$750 billion spent or committed in Iraq might better have been spent on energy projects that would deprive the world-wide Jiahd of the money weapon."

Just say it. Just get those words out. And then all the other candidates will have to follow. And then the debate, and the comprehension of things by the public, will change. The dam will have burst.

Posted by: Hugh at February 12, 2007 3:11 PM

Hugh it seems you have put too much faith in this typical liberal politician. Obama does not want to say islam was found for wanting, and that he left it to become a better person, and a Christian at that. No he is a typical liberal politician who will appease all those who will vote for him, and he will help create more government take care of all your needs,, yeah universal health care.. as in Canada we all wait equally in misery! btw that $750 billion
will go into univeral health care, will be like a drop in the bucket, you can hear the giant sucking nose right now.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at February 12, 2007 3:29 PM

American in Germany:

Don't worry about being called things on this site as Mr. Spencer gets called allot worse.

Obama was fathered by an African Muslim and taken by his mother to a south Asian Islamic nation when she married another Muslim and then Obama around age 10 ended up back in Hawaii raised by his grandparents.

That is the story he tells.....but then it gets fluid as his "history" has made up people in it....and according to Obama his life in his book begins at age 10.
Maybe he jumped out of a Mahdi well.....who knows, because some sources call him Hussein Barak Obama and now I read he is Barak Hussein Obama.

His entire rise to power is about as fishy as it gets....a black guy from no where gets a book published????? Ask authors how easy it is to do that...and then they sign him to a million dollar deal (the story goes).
Ask Mr. Spencer how many million dollar book deals he gets for selling a book no one bought.

Obama is a stooge of the major players.

Posted by: Lame Cherry at February 12, 2007 3:33 PM

I'm not putting faith in anyone. I am trying to put words in the mouths of everyone. If Barack Obama sees the political advantages of declaring himself to be not a Muslim, and to make that clear -- to say that he is not, and never has been, or once was treated as if he was but never accepted Islam, or says he once as a child was treated as a Muslim and had no thoughts of his own but when he could choose, chose to be a Christian, this will help him in the Democratic race. It will help him because he needs to distance himself, clearly and unequivocally, from Islam. And in so doing -- not in making one of those "some have told me I should deny my roots, some have suggested that I make clear that I am not a Muslim, some have asked me to distance myself from what President Bush has rightly called 'one of the world's great religions"-- oh, he can go that route if he wants. But will damage him. If he takes my suggestion, he will not only have opened up a very good line of questioning, discussion, and debate, but forced Hillary Clinton, and the other candidates, to begin to make explicit statements -- asymptotically approaching the truth -- about Islam.

For example: the first candidate, Democratic or Republican, who introduces the word "Jizyah" and says "I'm against any resumption of aid to the so-called 'Palestinians.' I think the Arabs and Muslims who have received, without lifting a finger, some ten trillion dollars in OPEC aid, can take care of their fellow Arab Muslims. I'm against payment of what is, in its esseence, in the way in which it is received as a mater of right, and its cutoff regarded with resentment and hatred by the Muslim recipients, and the fear of the Infidels who keep shelling out this money, simply the Jizyah. What's the Jizyah, you ask? I'll tell you...."

The person who delivers that speech will get all kinds of attention, and a colossal rise, well-deserved, in support.

Tancredo? Webb? Anyone? Make that speech. Force that discuission. Get us out of Iraq, but for the right, not the wrong, reasons. And you will be President. And deserve to be.

Posted by: Hugh at February 12, 2007 3:37 PM

"[he [Obama] should start seeing her [Ayaan Hirsi Ali], start learning from her, and make sure those photographs of him with her are widely distributed, if he knows what's politically -- and morally, and intellectually -- good for him]"

If by "politically good" Hugh means "politically suicidal, then I suppose he's right...

Posted by: remote_control at February 12, 2007 3:39 PM

"Is Tom Tancredo not running after all, or is he one that CNN doesn't even dare to mention?"

Tom Tancredo IS running for president, but he, Duncan Hunter and any other candidates are pretty much ignored by CNN and others, since they're considered long shots, at best.
As far as CNN is concerned, the only GOP prospects are Giuliani, McCain and Romney. They'll add Newt Gingrich to the list if he joins, but the rest can forget getting much attention from the MSM. It's not just CNN.

Posted by: PMK at February 12, 2007 4:20 PM

I thought a child born to a Muslim father is considered Muslim at birth...is that correct? Obama's father was Muslim?

Posted by: Abby at February 12, 2007 4:24 PM

"or is he [Tancredo] one that CNN doesn't even dare to mention?"
-- from a posting above

Yes.

Posted by: Hugh at February 12, 2007 4:43 PM

Pray tell why I should believe AP or Obama's website? They have both been caught in lies. Obama was a Muslim at least until 10 years old, possible much longer. Did he perform daily prayer rituals while in Indonesia? Did he learn those stupid prayers glorifying Mo in Indonesia? I think there is a lor more to this and the more the Dhimmicrats work to cover it up, the more obvious it becomes.

Posted by: John Sobieski at February 12, 2007 4:57 PM

I agree with Robert that there is probably nothing to the story of Barack Obama's Muslim school in Indonesia and it probably doesn't mean very much. I also think that Barack Obama probably doesn't have any significant Muslim sympathies; however, this is Jihad Watch and if anyone is going to want to take a close look at these things it should be us: right?

We do know that the Obama campaign is very defensive about the Muslim influences in his background. His father, grandfather, step-father and brother are or were Muslims. He attended a Muslim denominated school (technically the word Madrassa means simply school in both Arabic and Indonesian). Another interesting, but very far fetched fact is that when the Democrat candidates were introduced with their chosen music, he chose not to have music.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/02/02/a-little-campaign-music-please/

Why would he not have music? Could this at least be an unconscious gaff (reflecting a lesson learned at an early age that music is an unfitting, unserious gaiety ) of the type of unconscious gaff made by Kerry(botched joke), Biden (clean) or Bush (articulate)?

So, although it is far fetched to think that Barack Huissein Obamaa is a stelth Muslim candidate, maybe we should say that the chances of this are small but greater than zero and we have more than 18 months to find out the truth.

Posted by: Papa Bear at February 12, 2007 5:48 PM

"I thought a child born to a Muslim father is considered Muslim at birth...is that correct? Obama's father was Muslim?" - Posted by: Abby

i was under the same impression. My advice for Obama would be to embrace his apostasy and celebrate it, not hide it. of course if he did that it would be political suicide for the Dems, but i might vote for him then

Posted by: kelisw at February 12, 2007 6:04 PM

Tancredo is on record as stating that he wants enough fundraising support in order to throw his hat into the presidential ring. He's currently doing that, and has spelt out what he finds wrong with the positions of McCain, Giuliani, Romney, Brownback, Hunter, et al. I have a hunch that if he waits until he has his funds and then declares, it could work in his favor, since he'd be relatively new in the field.

But for the record, he hasn't yet thrown his hat into the ring.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at February 12, 2007 6:50 PM

Same Here Americaningermany, welcome back.

Did anyone see the original story in the Magazine, I think it was Insight and I think I saw it the first time on Worldnetdaily.

The first story said that this was leaked by Hillory Clinton's campaign! Go Hill baby.

This guy gives me the creeps. I feel like I am watching Twilight Zone and what I am looking at is not what is really there.

I have to tell you when I first saw it I looked into an anti- Obama website and got knocked clean off the internet. Had to call my IP.

Posted by: auntbea at February 12, 2007 7:09 PM

PMK: Plenty of folks raised in largely Muslim countries were never Muslims. I've known Jews from Iran, Egypt, Iraq, and Uzbekistan; Christians from Indonesia and Bangladesh; Christians from Syria, Egypt, and Iraq; Buddhist-cum-Christian from a largely Muslim part of Qinghai, China--and these folks were raised in non-Muslim faiths.

Further, Barak Obama's ultimate choice of the United Church[?] or Christ [?] indicates not an Islamicist orientation, but a theologically liberal one. The UCC blesses homosexuality, abortion, female ordination, and mourned the collapse of the Soviet Bloc. I doubt we'll see BO's womenfolk wearing the hijab any time soon.

Posted by: Kepha at February 12, 2007 8:02 PM

Was Obama involved in the DNC's decision to have an imam say 'prayer' at the party meeting?

But of course if he was, we will never be told this.

ATTENTION KEPHA: Although you are 100% correct in your assertion that many people in Muslim states are non-Muslim and form substantial minorities there, this would appear NOT to be the case with Obama.

Obama attended a madrassa in Java, Indonesia for at least three years.

Need I remind you that "infidel" non-Muslims are NOT welcome at madrassas. I think it's safe to say that anyone who attends a madrassa in an Islamic state like Indonesia over a perios of years is indeed a Muslim.

The most disturbing questions remain: Has Obama truly renounced what he was taught in the Indonesian madrassa system? AND: IS OBAMA SECRETLY A JIHADIST????

(Possibly he is a jihadist).

Posted by: pythagoras at February 12, 2007 9:31 PM

Dar al-harb:

I can answer your question 'what makes Obama a rockstar politican'?

Easy. The MEDIA. And publicity agencies (Are there any Islamic ones out there?).

A plug from Oprah Winfrey as her "favorite guy" didn't hurt any. Nor did all those Afro-American mag covers he appeared on.

Posted by: pythagoras at February 12, 2007 11:18 PM

Robert Spencer wrote: "So apparently AP has quietly corrected its story. How the error could have come about in the first place, I'm not sure. But this story should be laid to rest once and for all, and this candidate evaluated on his merits or lack thereof."

--

I'm afraid I have to absolutely disagree with you on this one, Robert. Barack Obama can not be put in the White House for the very simple reason that there is any doubt about his Muslim heritage.

His step-father = a Muslim.

Religions in Indonesia:

Muslim 88%, Protestant 5%, Roman Catholic 3%, Hindu 2%, Buddhist 1%, other 1% (1998)

People

Posted by: Foehammer at February 13, 2007 1:01 AM

Barack Obama making bid for White House official

No sense in repeating myself.

Posted by: Foehammer at February 13, 2007 1:03 AM

Posted by: pythagoras

The most disturbing questions remain: Has Obama truly renounced what he was taught in the Indonesian madrassa system? AND: IS OBAMA SECRETLY A JIHADIST????

I think every body here is jumping the gun on this one,mainly due to the fact they do not know anything about the education system here in Indonesia.

Host Steve Doocy highlighted Obama’s middle name, Hussein, and questioned whether Obama was indoctrinated in extremist Muslim ideology, given that Islamic schools in Indonesia are often believed to be funded by the Saudi Arabian government, or Saudi “charities”, and to teach a Wahhabi system.

In reality it appears that Barack Obama discussed his attendance at a Muslim elementary school in Jakarta in his autobiography, “Dreams from My Father”, published in 1995. Page 142 says [2] :

In Indonesia, I’d spent 2 years at a Muslim school, 2 years at a Catholic school. In the Muslim school, the teacher wrote to tell mother I made faces during Koranic studies. In the Catholic school, when it came time to pray, I’d pretend to close my eyes, then peek around the room. Nothing happened. No angels descended.

It also appears the reason he attended the Muslim school was that his parents could not afford to send him to a “better” school, such as an international one. From his second book, “The Audacity of Hope”, page 274 [3] :

Without the money to go to the international school that most expatriate children attended, I went to local Indonesian schools and ran the streets with the children of farmers, servants, tailors, and clerks.

Obama attended the Muslim school for two years, between the ages of six and eight, and thereafter went to a Catholic school. His father was a Muslim, from Kenya, but non-practising, likely an agnostic or atheist. In any case Obama had little or no contact with his father after the age of two. His mother was a non-religious woman from Kansas. Barack Obama has been a Christian since the mid 1980’s, belonging to the United Church of Christ, although said to be not a regular attendee at services.

The school he attended was not a madrassa,it was just an elementary school,He actually went to SDN Besuki in Jl. Besuki, Menteng.

SDN Besuki is a public school, not a moslem school. Since most of the students are moslem, in Indonesian public schools, they teach Islamic religion, but the non-moslem can still learn their own religion separated from their moslem friends.

What I find remarkable,is that some-body can pass through the Indonesian education system and can stand for the president of USA,and just this fact comfirms he did not attend a maddrassa.

Posted by: shiva at February 13, 2007 2:16 AM

Posted by: Foehammer

Religions in Indonesia:

Muslim 88%, Protestant 5%, Roman Catholic 3%, Hindu 2%, Buddhist 1%, other 1% (1998)

What does this prove ?

Posted by: shiva at February 13, 2007 2:25 AM

Arnie;
You aren't the only one. Ted Kennedy called him Osama.
When the clean black comment foot in the mouth incident happened last week. A pundit on Foxnews stumbled and called him Osama.

CNN did story on OBL's location and ran the printed headline, Where's Obama instead of Where's Osama.

There have been a few others. And will be more.

Posted by: auntbea at February 13, 2007 4:18 AM

I have been berated on this website for raising the issue of culture and suggesting it has, foolishly it seems, something to do with the level of political discourse.
Millions of American never read much about politics and current events and whose grasp of the issues will probably be based on information derived from sources such as popular culture.

For instance, Oliver Stone may not be the greatest film director ever, he may have a ludicrous left-wing bias, but films like “JFK” and Nixon” do raise serious issues and communicate them to people who might not be aware of them.

A low level of culture usually means a low level of political discourse.
In the case of Obama Barack, his popularity would seem to me to be based around two issues: he is of mixed-race and is very charismatic
Well, so is Tiger Woods but that doesn’t qualify him to be President.

Obama Barack is clearly the “feelgood” candidate.
He said he would have avoided the Iraq war by developing alternative energy sources; this is so vague as to be laughable. What is his plan?
A portable nuclear reactor in every car?
.

Culture is important in the intellectual health of a nation.
If America “dumbs down” sufficiently it will probably elect someone like Tiger Woods as president.
In which case, God help America.

Posted by: Odyessus at February 13, 2007 6:48 AM

http://www.examiner.com/a-534540~Can_a_past_of_Islam_change_the_path_to__president_.html

“Although my father had been raised a Muslim, by the time he met my mother he was a confirmed atheist.” Still, when his father, a black Kenyan named Barack Obama Sr., died in 1982, “the family wanted a Muslim burial,” Obama quoted his brother, Roy, as saying in “Dreams.”....

"Obama’s grandfather, Hussein Onyango Obama, for whom the senator was given his middle name, Hussein, was fiercely devoted to Islam, according to an account in “Dreams.”".....

"As a result, he said, “I was not raised in a religious household.” Later in life, however, he was drawn to the writings of an influential American Muslim who served as the spokesman for the militant Nation of Islam."....

"Obama’s family connections to Islam would endure, however. For example, his brother Roy opted for Islam over Christianity, as Obama recounted when describing his 1992 wedding.

“The person who made me proudest of all,” Obama wrote, “was Roy. Actually, now we call him Abongo, his Luo name, for two years ago he decided to reassert his African heritage. He converted to Islam, and has sworn off pork and tobacco and alcohol.”.....

“In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans … have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging,” he laments. “I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”"

Obama may not be a Muslim but I would say that the issue of filial piety is there. I see zero evidence that he would be capable of seeing Islam for what it is and consequently incapable of facing the challenges ahead from Islam. I would also want to know more about his brother. Does he attend mosque? Which mosque? With whom does he associate? etc etc.

The question is over for me. This is the last person we need in the White House. I suspect that his numbers will crash even farther once more folks find out about all this.

Posted by: Caroline at February 13, 2007 1:56 PM

@shiva:

"What I find remarkable,is that some-body can pass through the Indonesian education system and can stand for the president of USA,and just this fact comfirms he did not attend a maddrassa."

What I find remarkable is that people keep ranting on about a "madrassa" as if Barack Hussein OBAMA isn't out of the race based on the obvious. So, he wasn't schooled in a completely Muslim-soiled madrassa, but he was enrolled as a Muslim and he did attend Islamic theology courses.

You say "what does this prove" to the basic statistics I gave of Indonesia? What that response proves is that you must have your own agenda for someone like Barack. Frankly, him being raised in his formative years in the most densely populated Islamic nation in the world makes me believe what Caroline says:

@Caroline:

"Obama may not be a Muslim but I would say that the issue of filial piety is there. I see zero evidence that he would be capable of seeing Islam for what it is and consequently incapable of facing the challenges ahead from Islam. I would also want to know more about his brother. Does he attend mosque? Which mosque? With whom does he associate? etc etc."

--

BINGO!!!!

Any more questions, shiva?

Posted by: Foehammer at February 13, 2007 2:04 PM

Posted by: Foehammer
BINGO!!!!
Any more questions, shiva?

Yes two questions

You quote that Indonesia has Muslim 88%, Protestant 5%, Roman Catholic 3%, Hindu 2%, Buddhist 1%, other 1% (1998),well question one is,I live in Indonesia,and I have been living with a woman for 12yrs who went to an Indonesian public school considerably longer than Obama,DOES THIS MAKE ME OR MY WIFE A MUSLIM ?

Question two,can you or anybody else here tell me the difference between an Indonesian Madrassa and an Indonesian Madrassa ?

I am in no way supportive of Obama,but,before putting a proverbial knife into his back,one should know a some of the facts.

When was the last time the United States had a president who had actually lived overseas (and I don’t mean only Bill Clinton in the UK when he was at Oxford!).

Senator Obama had a Kenyan Muslim father, and spent four years living in Indonesia. That kind of background gives him insights and sensitivities to cultures outside the USA that other presidential candidates simply don’t have.

That kind of exposure is very important; had George Bush lived in Indonesia for four years, we would not have the Iraq War today (of that I am convinced).

It is the blindness of American leaders when it comes to cultures and ideas outside the US that has led the country into so many foreign policy blunders.

The Republicans, and even his rivals in the Democratic party, are going to crucify him in the heat of the campaign. They will drudge up every little detail.

The cynic in me says even Obama knows he doesn’t have a snowball’s chance in Hades, but what he and I do know is that there are several million dollars in “campaign funding” that will be tossed his way.

Posted by: shiva at February 13, 2007 9:24 PM

Robert

"To be clear, Senator Obama has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian who attends the United Church of Christ in Chicago. Furthermore, the Indonesian school Obama attended in Jakarta is a public school that is not and never has been a Madrassa."

So apparently AP has quietly corrected its story. How the error could have come about in the first place, I'm not sure. But this story should be laid to rest once and for all, and this candidate evaluated on his merits or lack thereof.

AGREED

Posted by: shiva at February 13, 2007 9:30 PM

shiva: What you perceive as foreign policy "blunders" by the US government were usually calculated, deliberate machinations and were usually part of a military-espionage campaign to deter Soviet-sponsored military infiltration in the third World nations-- a subject that you seem not to know very much about. Even if these seem like blunders to you, they enabled the US to prevail over the Communist movement, at least for the time being.

As for Iraq, the events of 9-11 made it seem probable that America was going to inherit the role of combating the global jihad at various locations across the planet (somebody is going to have stop the jihadists and we all know it sure as he-- won't be the Indonesians). And that is not going to change no matter WHO gets elected. Obama would have us hide in the closet in spite of the reality that the only thing that has EVER thwarted jihad is FORCE; history has proven that as in Vienna in 1783 and the Battle of Tours in 732 AD.

I sure don't apologize for the Iraq "war". Do the Muslims apologize for the hundreds of millions of "unbelievers" their jihadists murdered over the past 14 centuries??? (no).

Posted by: pythagoras at February 13, 2007 10:25 PM

Shiva: "So apparently AP has quietly corrected its story. How the error could have come about in the first place, I'm not sure. But this story should be laid to rest once and for all, and this candidate evaluated on his merits or lack thereof."

No - this candidate should be evaluated on whether or not he has any connection with Islam, including his family (grandfather - an apparently committed Muslim) and brother (connections unknown), or, in other words, anything related to Islam in his family which would cast doubt on whether he has it in him to take a harsh stance towards Islam. If he can't do that (and many candidates without any ties to Islam at all can't do it either), then he has no business occupying the highest office in the free, as of-yet-non-Muslim world. End of story.

Posted by: Caroline at February 13, 2007 10:34 PM

And what was Obana's response to the beheading of christian students by violent Muslims in Indonesia the other year can anyone see if Obana responded to the need for human rights in that deeply troubled country? Or did he Obano not say anything about the beheadings of Christian students this is very telling since he attended Catholic school and Catholics are such a minority can you find out ?

Posted by: mark52 at February 13, 2007 10:58 PM

Why did he keep his dad's Allah-inspired name when the guy abandoned him at age two? What a weird name for a self-professed Christian to maintain all these years.

Sure, Obama is smart as a whip, but so was the kid in the movie "The Omen." I'll pass.

Posted by: Bingo at February 13, 2007 11:53 PM

This whole Muslim flap swirling around Barak Obama is a mis-information campaign being engineered by the Hilary Clinton camp.

Speaking of Barak he made a good point when responding to the Austrialian PM. If the PM or the rest of the world for that matter really believe that the stability of the Mid-East hangs in the balance in Iraq, then they should send over more troops.

----Nossy

Posted by: Nostrodamus at February 14, 2007 12:54 AM

Posted by: pythagoras
What you perceive as foreign policy "blunders" by the US government were usually calculated, deliberate machinations and were usually part of a military-espionage campaign to deter Soviet-sponsored military infiltration in the third World nations-- a subject that you seem not to know very much about. Even if these seem like blunders to you, they enabled the US to prevail over the Communist movement, at least for the time being.

You seem to know about Indonesia

Check out the story about an American pilot named Allan Lawrence Pope,chances are Indonesia would not be an Islamic nation today,if the Americans had not backed Suharto

So the Balkans was not the first time the USA supported the muslims to take power.I should like you remember about East Timor.

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Posted by: mark52

And what was Obana's response to the beheading of christian students by violent Muslims in Indonesia the other year can anyone see if Obana responded to the need for human rights in that deeply troubled country?

Or did he Obano not say anything about the beheadings of Christian students this is very telling since he attended Catholic school and Catholics are such a minority can you find out

And why was the USA still supplying the Indonesian goverment with weapons while all these abuses of human rights where being committed.

I did not see to many americans boycotting Nike sports shoes or Levi jeans and a host of other products that american companies produce in Indonesia.
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Posted by: Caroline

No - this candidate should be evaluated on whether or not he has any connection with Islam, including his family (grandfather - an apparently committed Muslim) and brother (connections unknown), or, in other words, anything related to Islam in his family which would cast doubt on whether he has it in him to take a harsh stance towards Islam. If he can't do that (and many candidates without any ties to Islam at all can't do it either), then he has no business occupying the highest office in the free, as of-yet-non-Muslim world. End of story.

Up until now he has not tried to hide anything about his brush with islam,and he has been very open about his family.In fact he has been more truthful than the people who are trying to smear him..

Posted by: shiva at February 14, 2007 1:04 PM