This won't end peacefully. Can't. Too many Muzlims. Not only that, but these are the shiite-for-brain Muzlims.

"Ever since the religion of Islam appeared in the world," wrote John Wesley, "the espousers of it have been as wolves and tigers to all other nations, rending and tearing all that fell into their merciless paws, and grinding them with their iron teeth; that numberless cities are raised from the foundation, and only their name remaining; that many countries, which were once as the garden of God, are now a desolate wilderness; and that so many once numerous and powerful nations are vanished from the earth! Such was, and is at this day, the rage, the fury, the revenge, of these destroyers of human kind".

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at February 13, 2007 2:38 PM

Why are the Americans and Israelis (and even the saudis, for that matter) not giving these people the means to protect themselves from these vicious bloodthirsty ayatollahs?

Posted by: Infidel33 at February 13, 2007 2:46 PM

The AP story made several references to the "pro-American government" and "US backed government." The last time I checked, the government of Lebanon was a democratically elected government, and not a puppet of the US. Most Lebanese, Muslim, Christian and Druze, want to live in a democracy (remember the Cedar Revolution last year?) and not under the Hizbollah flag and the stooge, Nisrallah, who himself is a useful idiot for the stooge sitting in Damascus, who, in turn, is a sometimes useful idiot for the mullahs in Iran. Walid Jumblatt has been fearless in pointing to the real enemies of a democratic Lebanon. Unfortunately, for the Christians, Michel Anoun is a turncoat who has put his own interests ahead of his people and has cast his lot with the enemies of a free Lebanon. My condolences to those who lost family members today.

Posted by: maryrose at February 13, 2007 2:58 PM

"Why are the Americans and Israelis (and even the saudis, for that matter) not giving these people the means to protect themselves from these vicious bloodthirsty ayatollahs?"

Well, the fact that it will be turned against oneself might be a starter?

Just as the Lebanese army just confiscated a truckload of Hezzie arms, they say they will now use against the Jews.

Posted by: akak at February 13, 2007 3:02 PM

On the subject of Lebanon, and particularly Lebanese Christians, and their attitudes towards Syria and Hizbullah, I have a question. How is Maronite and Melkiite opinion on them divided - i.e. how much of it is dhimmi, and how much of it is anti-Jihadi?

I've also read a book by a former security detail to Elie Hobeika: the book is From Israel to Damascus, and covers a lot of ground on the activities of various groups in Lebanon in support of Syria. Today, he lives in exile in France (last I checked), but to what extent is he really anti-Jihadi, since he peppers his book with the interests of Lebanese Christians?

Also, how weak are Sameer Gaegae's Lebanese Forces, and do they stand a chance of even getting majority Christian support in Lebanon, let alone Sunni or Druze?

Posted by: Infidel Pride at February 13, 2007 3:04 PM

Check out this lastes survey in Canada, not only do 53% support Sharia-law over Canadian laws
for Human Rights but take note at how roughly
18% would not condemn the Toronto-17 Jihadists that planned to slaughter thousands of Canadian civilians with 6600lbs of Amonium-Nitrate in truck-bombs.

The TV interview had Muslims claiming that Islamophobia is ghettoizing the youth and making them turn to terrorism as a last resort to get justice.
CAIR Canada and many Imams have denied any radical islamists are in Canada or that Mosques
have pro-Jihad sermons by Jihad friendly clerics and , Muslims themselves have yet to walk out of these Saudi funded Whahabbi Islam Mosques that spew the hatred that they claim doesn't exist or they don't tolerate since Islam means peace and Muhammed taught pluralism and forgivness.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/02/12/muslim-poll.html

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Here's a brief peice from the survey.

A majority of the Muslim respondents (53 per cent) would also like to see Islamic Sharia law adopted for divorce and other family disputes, and a much larger number, 86 per cent, of Canadian Muslims do not feel governments should ban the wearing of headscarves by Muslim women in public, including public schools.

Many of these concerns are more strongly backed by young Muslims under 30, the survey suggests, and Haideh Moghissi, a York University sociologist who has worked extensively in this area, says these should probably be seen as more of a "political gesture than a religious one" by those who have felt their community "bearing the brunt of this suspicion and fear" since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

Posted by: ala-sux at February 13, 2007 3:24 PM

The cosmopolitan nature of Beirut (which used to be called the Paris of the ME) and the presence of Lebanese Christians would have made Lebanon an ideal place to draw a line in the sand against Jihad . . . 10-15 years ago. Of course, that is why the Jihadists made sure to hit the place hard--it represented secularism and modernity in their midst.

Given the demographic shift (i.e. Christian exodus coupled with Muslim growth), is there any reason to be optimistic about Lebanon?

It seems like the state within the state has grown too large--like a parasite that progresses to a point where it can no longer be dislodged without killing the host.

Posted by: JSobieski at February 13, 2007 3:40 PM

Iraq closes borders in security crackdown

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200702/s1847125.htm

It's about frickin time!

Posted by: The Goobs at February 13, 2007 4:00 PM

"What is the fault of the people just going to work?"

.....They live in a Muslim majority neighborhood.....I wonder just how many of the victims participated in the anti-Israel protests when Israel was kicking Hizbollahs rear end....The people need to locate and destroy the terrorists weapons, leaders, and sympathizers if they ever expect to have some peace....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at February 13, 2007 4:35 PM

"And now we have NATO and the UN in there watching. "

.....and they are doing a poor job of even watching....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at February 13, 2007 4:49 PM

OT...the shooter in the mall has been identified as a refugee from Bosnia: Sulejmen Talovic, of Salt Lake City

Is that a Muslim name? Was that a Muslim carrying out a terrorist act? Any word on this?

Posted by: Abby at February 13, 2007 5:11 PM

As a Canadian I find the results of this poll to be very disturbing, however not surprising.

I see on a daily basis more and more Muslims in my community.

Speaking to friends of mine that are either working as Police Officers, or one that I rarely see that worked with CSIS, I find it very disturbing to hear what I hear from them. They claim we have many fanatical followings in many mosques across this country. We know for a fact that many Canadians have turned up dead fighting in places like Chechnya and Afghanistan. However the biggest obstacle we have here is an ultra liberal, affable Canadian public who believe their crap doesn't stink and that Muslims that live here will see how we live and want to be part of that.

Trust me that is probably the most common argument that I hear from my fellow Canadians. That and history doesn't matter.

Scary times ahead.

Niv

Posted by: The fanatic at February 13, 2007 5:19 PM

Salt lake City killer sounds like 'Sulejmen-the-slightly-less -than-magnificent' to me.

Posted by: wallyUK at February 13, 2007 5:25 PM

Lebanon has not yet begun to shake and the Clinton Kosovo War is not over and America just reaped an Islamic child of murder in Utah from it.

Reagan had all this tamped down and America was winning. Patrician Bush 41 was squeemish about finishing things and Clinton did every stupid thing he could to make it a menace.
Bush 43 has done about all he can in trying to settle things and get out, but with Europeans backstabbing him and most Americans fleeing him like cowards for mommy Hillary and Nancy.....this is just starting boys and girls, so know that today has been the best day and it gets worse with each day.

Posted by: Lame Cherry at February 13, 2007 6:01 PM

Uh oh, sudden jihad syndrome?
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=24429_Salt_Lake_City_Killer_Identified&only

Posted by: Carolyn2 at February 13, 2007 6:03 PM

Abby:

OT...the shooter in the mall has been identified as a refugee from Bosnia: Sulejmen Talovic, of Salt Lake City

Is that a Muslim name? Was that a Muslim carrying out a terrorist act? Any word on this?

I can't vouch for this source, but it's starting to look that way.

http://www.serbianna.com/news/2007/01204.shtml

Posted by: Bad_Attitude_Infidel at February 13, 2007 6:18 PM

"This won't end peacefully. Can't. Too many Muzlims. Not only that, but these are the shiite-for-brain Muzlims."

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2

Not sure if ALL of them are shia but most of them are. (btw, ever get your email fixed?)

Posted by: uneven and sagging at February 13, 2007 6:22 PM

Bad_Attitude_Infidel, lot's of information there..
http://www.serbianna.com/

Posted by: Carolyn2 at February 13, 2007 6:40 PM

It is unclear whether the majority of Maronite Christians prefer a Syrian-dominated political system where they retain their political advantages or a system free of Syrian influence where they would be outnumbered by Lebanon’s Muslim communities.

That is to say that under their current system, political power is split between Maronite Christians, Sunnis, and Shiites. The Parliament consists of 128 deputies, equally divided between Christian and Muslim representatives.

Recent trends in Lebanon, however, point to more power being given to its Muslim communities. Namely, Sunni Muslims. Those Muslims follow the wishes of their masters in Syria. The bombing, in my opinion, was meant as a warning and a reminder of who is ultimately in charge of things -- those in Damascus.

Posted by: Nocturna at February 13, 2007 6:53 PM

The greatest threat to Lebanon's stability is the ongoing Israeli-Syrian conflict and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. In the first case, as long as Israel and Syria remain in an official state of war, Lebanon's strategic value will remain quite high. Israel and Syria have supported one group or another since the civil war in 1976 in an attempt to control Lebanon and with it a territorial corridor to their enemy in case of invasion. As long as the conflict continues, Israel and Syria will both likely continue to play disruptive roles in Lebanese politics.

As an advantaged minority, the Maronites face little to no cultural, economic, or political discrimination in Lebanon as long as they play within the governmental system. However, in recent years there have been some instances of discrimination, although it is difficult to ascertain if this is indicative of an overall trend since the government generally targets the anti-Syrian Maronite opposition, and not the general Christian population.

For example, a few anti-Syrian demonstrations by Christian groups have been banned; there’s been some discrimination in judicial proceedings; and anti-Syrian Christians who have protested have been investigated, arrested, and imprisoned. Anti-Syrian Christian protesters have also been beaten at demonstrations.

In 2002, Lebanese security forces shut down the Christian opposition television station MTV and radio station RML, which were the main voice of Lebanese Christians opposed to the Syrian presence in Lebanon. However, the Maronites are by no means a cohesive group, especially in regard to the continued influence that Syria plays within Lebanon. Political aspirations have ranged from the conventional, most prominently in the formation of the Maronite Christian National Liberal Party, to the militant (such as the emergence of the Lebanese Forces (LF) under the leadership of Bashir Jumayyil, which consistently battled Syrian forces during the 1975-1990 civil war, but has since been disbanded.

Syria views Lebanon as it's turf. Getting a little too friendly with the US is frowned upon to put it mildly. Look for more bombings in the near future.

Posted by: Anti Islamian at February 13, 2007 7:02 PM

Yes, I see, Islam is very peaceful. I can only pray for Israel and the those that seek peace.

Posted by: Jeff at February 13, 2007 7:44 PM

Now I feel better with all the outreach the non-citizens are doing in the "heartland of America":

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070212/us_nm/usa_muslims_heartland_dc

Muslims face hatred, curiosity in U.S. heartland

By Andrea Hopkins Mon Feb 12, 10:46 AM ET

CINCINNATI (Reuters) - Tala Ali, 25, has seen the good and the bad of being a Muslim in heartland America. People have leaned out car windows to scream at her: "Terrorist go home." But strangers curious about her headscarf have also approached her apologetically to ask about Islam.
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"I love it, actually, when people ask me questions," said the pink-scarved Ali, who came to the United States with her Jordanian father and Palestinian mother when she was five.

"Out here, I'm the only Muslim some people may meet," said Ali, waiting for friends after Friday prayers at a Cincinnati mosque. "I always keep in mind that I'm an ambassador of Islam."

For Ali and other Muslims who live far from America's immigrant-rich big cities, everyday life is a test of tolerance and outreach to fellow Americans who view Islam with suspicion five years after the September 11 attacks and amid bleak and bloody wars in
Iraq and
Afghanistan.

"The negative perception gets bigger by the day, despite all we do," said Inayat Malik, a doctor and board member of the Islamic Center of Greater Cincinnati.

The center hosts 5,000 visitors a year -- from churches, schools and the simply curious. Tour coordinator Shakila Ahmad is too embarrassed to share the worst things said to her as a tour guide, but insists there are no "bad" questions.

"It's important for people to be able to ask," she said, sitting quietly in the center's empty gymnasium after a tour. Flags of dozens of nations decorate the walls. "We'd rather you ask than have a misconception."

Ahmad, Malik and others sit on inter-faith councils and speak at community forums and strive, year after year, to build bridges within predominately white Christian middle America.

But while they are dedicated to outreach, the uphill battle of educating Americans takes its toll on optimism.

"The deluge of the media coverage with its negative portrayal is overwhelming," said Malik. "I see very little light at the end of the tunnel."

BOMB THREATS AND HATE MAIL

Karen Dabdoub fights constant brushfires in her work for the Council on American-Islamic Relations in Ohio.

In 2005, a Cincinnati mosque was bombed. Fasting Muslim students were criticized in 2006 when they were allowed to avoid the cafeteria during Ramadan. Bomb threats and hate mail trickle in.

"We'll get there. It's not an easy road, but we'll get there," said Dabdoub, a native Cincinnatian who converted to Islam 16 years ago. But she admits things have gotten worse instead of better in recent years.

A 2006 Gallup poll of more than 1,000 Americans showed that 39 percent were in favor of requiring Muslims in the United States, including American citizens, to carry special identification. Roughly a quarter said they would not want Muslims as neighbors.

Dabdoub said her blue eyes and white skin have not spared her the unfriendly stares often aimed at headscarved women in America.

"Once in a while somebody will smile at me, but not as much as they used to," she said.

Cincinnati's 25,000-strong Muslim community is a microcosm of American Islam. According to CAIR, about a third of America's six to seven million Muslims are South Asian, a third African American and a quarter Arab. Still others are European immigrants or Caucasian converts.

Almost everywhere, the community is dedicated to outreach.

In Missouri, Muslim children at the Islamic School of Greater Kansas City are sent out to do community service.

Principal Saba Hamouda said the school's mosque was once vandalized and a Koran smeared with feces, but she believes the more Americans understand Islam, the more they will accept their Muslim neighbors.

Still, students sometimes feel stereotyped and misunderstood outside the comfort of their small school.

"Just because of 9/11 people think we are terrorists," said 15-year-old Sabrim Qadi, taking a break from a morning Islamic studies class.

In the U.S. Southwest, known more for its influx of Hispanic immigrants than its Islamic community, Muslims repeat the outreach approach despite sectarian slights.

Jordanian born Ahmad Al-Shqeirat, imam of the Islamic Community Center of Tempe, a city in the sprawling Phoenix valley where there are some 40,000 to 50,000 Muslims, has felt both welcome and intolerance.

The Islamic Center, with its minaret, sits alongside the First Congregational Church on a quiet Tempe backstreet. Five years ago the two were jointly awarded the Tempe city diversity award for their good neighborliness.

"We exchange visits and talk all the time," Al-Shqeirat said of his neighbors.

But despite his proudly ecumenical outlook, Al-Shqeirat hit the headlines late last year as one of the so-called "Flying Imams," a group of six Muslim clerics who were turfed off a U.S. Airways flight after some passengers and crew became alarmed at their prayers.

Looking back on the incident, Al-Shqeirat says it showed

"overreaction and discrimination" by the airline. But he says it has only redoubled his commitment to outreach.

"If those people had ever been in a mosque and seen Muslims praying, they would have understood," he told Reuters, sitting in the office at his street corner mosque after evening prayers. "Anger will not take us anywhere, what we need is more education."

(additional reporting by Carey Gillam in Kansas City and Tim Gaynor in Tempe)

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Posted by: ofcourse at February 13, 2007 8:06 PM

wow, Muslims killing people and things

no way

and this ain't no "phase" like some stoner teen listening to Ozzy or Priest -- this is a Way Of Death for this religion

I utterly despise thinking about this sub-human sect of beings on this Planet

God, we need a hand down here

now

Posted by: Crunchy Jello at February 13, 2007 8:25 PM

"The greatest threat to Lebanon's stability is the ongoing Israeli-Syrian conflict and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. "

posted by anti Islam

You must be new?

Posted by: akak at February 13, 2007 8:43 PM

"'The negative perception gets bigger by the day, despite all we do,' said Inayat Malik, a doctor and board member of the Islamic Center of Greater Cincinnati."
-- from a posting above

Erratum:

For "despite all we do" read "because of all we do"

Posted by: Hugh at February 13, 2007 10:20 PM

You must be new?

Posted by: akak

I detect a hint of sarcasm in your tone. Nevertheless, you may think of me as "new" if you wish. If you feel the need to correct what I have said then please give me the benefit of your wisdom.

Posted by: Anti Islamian at February 13, 2007 11:36 PM

Salt lake City killer sounds like 'Sulejmen-the-slightly-less -than-magnificent' to me.
Posted by: wallyUK

I say bring back VLAD THE IMPALER :-)

Look him up - he's a GOOD GUY! He kept the turks out of Europe. He used their methods on them. We are stronger than they are when we get DOWN like they do! Let's ROLL!

Posted by: scrualla at February 14, 2007 12:56 AM

Erratum:

For "despite all we do" read "because of all we do"

Posted by: Hugh

Or, perhaps, for "despite all we do" read "because of all we do, despite all of our taqiyya"

Seriously, I look to the day when we can dispense with the U.N. as "peacekeepers" and form a Christian army to kick Muslims out of places such as Lebanon.
http://www.answers.com/topic/constitution-of-lebanon
The 'Constitution of Lebanon' was adopted on 23 May 1926.
The Lebanese constitution mandates that its president must be a Christian, while the Prime Minister is always a Sunni Muslim.
On the basis of the 1932 census, parliament seats were divided according to a 6 to 5 Christian/Muslim ratio. The constitution gave the president veto power over any legislation approved by parliament, virtually ensuring that the 6:5 ratio would not be revised in the event that the population distribution changed.

Lebanon, when the 'Constitution of Lebanon' was adopted on 23 May 1926, was intended to be primarily a Christian nation, safeguards were put in place within the constitution to protect those Christians.

Now, the Muslims have formed their Hezbollah "state within a state" and the usual Mohammedan nonsense begins, or rather, continues.

Posted by: Mike_W at February 14, 2007 3:20 AM

Time to tie everything together:

Talking Turkey about Al Sadr, Iraq, Iran and the Nuclear Threat

Posted by: Foehammer at February 14, 2007 10:34 AM