Actually, I reckon I'm going to be in need of 'anger management therapy' pretty darned soon if we have to put up with much more lunacy like this.

I mean, do these people take pride in showing us all how crushigly stupid they are, or something?

Posted by: enemyofislam at February 18, 2007 5:14 AM

"Under the proposal, the Federal Government would provide psychological counseling and anger management support to terror suspects and those subject to control orders."

It should be mandatory for all Moslems entering or residing in non-Moslem countries to receive psychological counseling and anger management courses provided by the Federal government,

Whether it would be more advantageous for these services to be paid for by the Moslems so counseled or by the Federal government is debatable.

If the counseled Moslems would have to bear the expense then the double humiliation might discourage Moslems from entering or residing in non-Moslem countries. On the other hand, if the Federal government had to bear the burden of this program--with a severely limited budget--the same goal would be accomplished.

It is then a tossup. Another solution would be to add obligatory de-jihad-programming for all Moslems wishing to enter or residing in non-Moslem countries--costs to be born by said Moslems.

That plus the Federally-funded psychological and anger management counseling should double the number of Moslems discouraged from entering or residing in non-Moslem lands.

Posted by: unicorns62000 at February 18, 2007 5:45 AM

Unicorn:

I love the idea!

Its great: Everytime a muslim arrives, give him a 2-week therapy session in a re-education camp. That's the way! Make them fill out questioneers regarding the jihad ideology before they even leave their home-country, quarantine them when they arrive and put them through some serious de-programming before they are released into the community, and always only for a (say one month at a time) limited time.

One lie and you are out. Amd of course they have to pay for it, on the double!

Then of course no more mosques, no madrassahs!
Koran is forbidden, no islamic clerics allowed anywhere in Oz- Hey: We are not reinventing the wheel, wer're on to something here!

Lets do it!

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at February 18, 2007 6:05 AM

My personal choice for treatment protocol would be:

Intensive sessions of prolonged duration one-on-one parking lot therapy.

Further escalation should involve multiple-atmosphere hyperbaric therapy.

If those prescriptions prove ineffective, there's always high dose radiation therapy.

Posted by: Zenster at February 18, 2007 6:08 AM

Spike all water sources in the border area between Pakistan and Afghanistan with Methylphenidate (generic for Ritalin).

Posted by: David England at February 18, 2007 6:27 AM

This is satire, right?

Right?

Posted by: A Nonny Nonny at February 18, 2007 7:09 AM

No PRAWBlem.

Play HIGHestest nerves and PEAce shattering words repeating :
thiZZIZZKNOTTTIZZZLAAMm....

Best Therapy.

Posted by: Crows&Cows at February 18, 2007 7:19 AM

A bullet is far better therapy for these rabid mad dogs.

Posted by: dgene at February 18, 2007 8:27 AM

Well, desire to commit suicide is usually caused by low self esteem.

Desire to take out as many infidel children as possible because its "their fault" is specific to Islam

Posted by: Terry Crane at February 18, 2007 8:47 AM

my tax dollars should go to ropes to hang those condemmed terrorists, otherwise send over to devil's island or g'itmo club med.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at February 18, 2007 8:59 AM

Not real comprehension. Not any sense that there may be something wrong with the naive and sentimental love-affair with the idea that People Are the Same the Whole World Over or People All Want the Same Thing or We Are All God's Chillun' or Why Can't We All Get Along or If Only We Could Speak to Each Other We'd Be Able to Iron Things Out or Everyone Deserves High Self-Esteem No Matter What (in Louisiana this used to be translated as: Every Man a King) or...oh god, fill it in yourself.

Everything, anything, to turn the Real World and its Real Threats -- the Nazis, the Communists, those who believe, who agree (or might believe, or might agree, if they felt their triumph was inevitable) that "Islam is to dominate and is not to be dominated."

To the social-workers of this world, it is all about low self-esteem.

But even if one were to grant that there is certainly "low self-esteem" among many Muslims, at the very same time that they have inculcated in them a sense of the permanent superiority of Muslims and the duty to make Islam everywhere prevail and Muslims to rule everywhere, what should we do about it? If some are pooor, and that causes "low self-esteem," should we Infidels supply those tens or hundreds of billions of poor Muslims with Infidel aid, or should we rather suggest that the cause of their poverty is the inshallah-fatalism of Islam itself? And should we not further add that the diversion of time and resources by Muslims into the waging of permanent Jihad is not the way to create even a rudimentary economy (see Gaza, see "the West Bank")? And should we not add, still further, that if the poor Muslims need capital, they have only to knock on the doors of the rich Muslims, the ones who since 1973 have received, without any effort, some ten trillion dollars in OPEC revenues? Oh, and wouldn't that be better for Muslim self-esteem anyway, not to receive aid from the hated enemy, the Infidels, but from nice, generous fellow members of the umma al-islamiyya?

Doesn't that make more sense, if we are so solicitious of Muslim self-esteem problems?

And what about all the other political, economic, social, moral, and intellectual failures of Muslims? Shall we participate in their fantasies about the exaggerated "greatness" of the Islamic past? Shall we refrain from pointing out how much of that "past" -- more than a thousand years ago -- is well "past," and that the question What Have You Done For Me Lately? is not exactly irrelevant? And should we point out how much of that "great Islamic past" was so short-lived in nature, and constited of serving as a mere transmitter of the discoveries of others -- Chinese paper-making (see Dard Hunter), Hindu algebra and the concept of "zero" (see any history of mathematics), and some Greek works, including part of what Aristotle wrote, which Arabic-speaking Christian and Jewish translators were responsible for translating and then ultimately those works, which had so little effect in the Islamic world, were received, gratefully, back in the Europe from whence those works first originated.

Are we Infidels doing the intelligent thing by pretending to believe in the wonderfulness of Islam, or in refraining from pointing out the connection between Islam and despotism, Islam and the failure of econoomic development, Islam and the stifled artistic expression, and deep discouragement of the habit of free inquiry required for the enterprise of science?

Muslims in the West, or Muslims in Dar al-Islam, now come up against the non-Muslim world and have to endure, in their minds, this paradox:

They are, on the one hand, deeply commimtted to, devout belivers in, the Rightness and Only Truth of Islam. And in Islam, there is no real pluralism. Islam is not meant to be one faith among many, for "Islam is to dominate and not to be dominated." Muslims, rightly, must rule. Rightly, the Shari'a, or a system that does not violate the Shari'a and attempts to approximiate it, must be the legal framework for Muslims wherever they live, and of course non-Muslims must ultimately face the same three choices they have always faced under Islam: death, conversion, or (if they are considered to be People of the Book, ahl al-kitab, as Christians and Jews, or in some expanded definition, even Zoroastrians, and still later, even Hindus who needed to be kept alive to pay the Jizyah, were treated) as dhimmis. And "dhimmis" are not in Muslim-ruled societies treated as equals, as part of a committed pluralism. They are subject to all kinds of permanent disabilities that together amounted to a status of humiliation, degradation, and phyiscal insecurity.

Should we ignore all this? Or would we not be doing Muslims a favor, helping them to possibly change their texts (if such were possible), or at least to cause some Muslims, especially non-Arab Muslims, to see Islam itself in a new and different light (as the source of so much of what causes them to feel "low self-esteem"), and to come to realize that Islam was not a blessing but a curse, for their own non-Arab peoples, a vehicle for Arab cultural, linguistic, and other kinds of imperialism.

And Infidels need to know the truth about Islam, and have a firm understanding of how the teachings, attitudes, and atmospherics of this Total Belief-System explain the failure of societies suffused with Islam -- political failures, economic failures, social and moral and intellectual failures.

It is the only way.

It is the best kind, the only legitimate kind, of intervention, because it might actually have a beneficial effect. But that is not true of the therapy prescribed above. The very idea of participating, as Infidels, in some vast folie à deux, where we all agree that Islam is just great, the greater, the very greatest, in order to cure "low self-esteem" by Muslims, is merely the apotheosis of the social-work mentality that becomes more obviously comical, and at the same time, more obviously dangerous, every day.

Posted by: Hugh at February 18, 2007 9:11 AM

I would say the best remedy would be a needle to the head ? If Islam is allowed to be a government, then there'll be no Peace. This is the same reason why the Roman Catholic Church doesn't run Europe anymore. Religions are not Governments and should not be allowed to act as such.

Posted by: Jeff at February 18, 2007 10:15 AM

Just ban them from entering the country....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at February 18, 2007 11:43 AM

there is a mental illiness treatment still practiced that would work wonders on all violent muslims......

lobotomines.............

Posted by: The Texican at February 18, 2007 11:50 AM

Ah the "Ring". The Ring wishes to get back to its master, the wicked Dark Lord Sauron, based in Mordor.

I knew there was an allegory somewhere in Tolkien's tale.

Posted by: DP111 at February 18, 2007 12:42 PM

May you live to be 150, Hugh (sorry for the burden).

I read this site for many reasons, one of which is Robert's sober rationality on Islam, and the problems it brings to the world. But another is quite because I enjoy your tie-it-all-together, learned, knowledgeable posts, which are always dished up with wit & obvious passion.

Thank you. To you, and to all here who make this site, and the awareness it generates in the wider society, possible.

Posted by: Vee at February 18, 2007 12:48 PM

The book "A Clockwork Orange" was written by Anthony Burgess in 1962. It is a tale of a young "droog" named Alex who goes around with his gang, each night mugging people, beating up other gangs, raping women, and stealing from shops. Alex is betrayed by his gang, and he is sent to jail and in order to get his sentence commuted he agrees to a new treatment (called the Ludovico treatment) that will get him out in 2 weeks time. This treatment consists of him being drugged while watching movies of sex and ultra-violence. The result of this is that he is conditioned against sex and violence. Alex becomes "a clockwork orange," someone who looks normal on the outside but in reality is mechanical and cannot control their actions. Once released from prison Alex is systematically abused by all those that he had previously tormented since he has been conditioned against committing any and all violent acts. Eventually he tries to commit suicide, but lands up in the hospital and the newspapers instead. The press have attacked the government savagely for what they have done against Alex and the government reverses the process and allows Alex to be his old, violent self again.Order in Society vs. Freedom of Choice
The freedom of individuals to make choices becomes problematic when those choices undermine the safety and stability of society, and in A Clockwork Orange, the state is willing to protect society by taking away freedom of choice and replacing it with prescribed good behavior. In Alex’s world, both the unfettered power of the individual and the unfettered power of the state prove dangerous.
The minister of the interior argues that government should have the power to bring law and order to the streets, and that questions of individual liberty are insignificant compared with the values of safety and order. He cites the suffering Alex causes his victims as evidence for his argument’s merit, but the minister’s own misuse of power, such as hiring thugs as policemen and imprisoning political opponents, undermines his argument. The prison chaplain seems more sincere in his defense of the right of individuals to make moral choices, equating the ability to choose with being human, but his willful ignorance of Alex’s true destructive potential makes him seem almost naïve. Throughout A Clockwork Orange, the film forces us to weigh the values and dangers of both individual liberty and state control, and consider how much liberty we’re willing to give up for order, and how much order we’re willing to give up for liberty.

Maybe this will be the way to stop jihad from coming in our borders with the groups of political refugee Sunni's from Iraq when Iran and the Shiites fully consolidate their power. They will puke at the very mention of jihad and violence. My question: Do the themes above seem familar. Safety vs rights, violence and chaos vs order, and the political infighting over those that would sacrifice rights for safety vs those that wish to allow full rights to those that would perpetuate violence?

Posted by: GrimReaperxxx at February 18, 2007 1:12 PM

Too many bullies hide behind the shield of low self-esteem.

"Don't blame me for my actions, they're just further evidence of my low self-esteem. You have to feel sorry for me while I beat you up."

The problem with bullies is that their self-esteem is too high.

Posted by: Josephine at February 18, 2007 1:35 PM

They are correct that terrorism and Islam is a psychopathy of dellusions and low self esteem, but you can not treat a belief when it is based in a sick soul.
You can not stop rapists or pedophiles and you can not stop terrorists. You either have to kill them or leave them alone until they come to murder you.

Historically Muslims were always bought off in bribes. Thomas Jefferson said no and sent in the Marines. That is how the Islamic mind has always worked in bribery. It is how journalist are "freed" and unless on bribes the pirate you have to kill them. You can not treat this disorder.

Posted by: Lame Cherry at February 18, 2007 1:44 PM

In Islamic socities they can bury a female up to her neck and bash her brains out with rocks on charges of Adultry.

In Arabia you can have your hand choped off for stealing a pack of chewing gum from the local Mom and Pops.

Execution is the norm in any Muslim country for converting to another faith.

Suicide bombers are lionized as heros and Martyrs in every village, city and street in the Islamic world.

What does this have to do with "anger management?"

It's religion, stupid!!!

Posted by: rational at February 18, 2007 1:49 PM

During the Vietnam war the VC feared the Korean soldier , seems that many were from the Korean war era and were well informed about how you can't Re-educate a communist and killing a VC was no big deal.
Plus the skills in martial Arts made it clear for the VC that Torture would be severe and swift
rather than the American style of starting off polite and then slowly breaking down the POW so they talk .

When the Islamist cheered the slaughtering of 3000 civilian on 9/11 it negated any claim by them to be classified as Human, and therefor any attempt to re-educate them is like trying to turn a dog into a cat so you will have more sympathy for the harm they may have caused.
There is far too much mass murdering going on by followers of Islam and the gloves should have come off long ago , CAIR and Mr."Yahoo"Hooper haven't even seen true "Backlash" from 9/11 because Americans are very forgiving and don't blame all people for the actions of a few.
BUT, we now have overt calls to destroy America and instill an Islamic rule by Sharia law , we have Islamists using Free speech to spew hatred here that even the Nazis could never do on American soil, CAIR finally admitted to their links to Maher Arar and yet Arar denied any ties to terror groups or terrorism funding Org.'s.
Arar should stay on the NO-Fly list and he should be dragged into a Courtroom to back his claims of being innocent instead of CAIR's usual tactic to launch massive law Suit against Governments or Peoples just to silence them and force a out-of-court settlement.

The Imam that spoke at the DNC conference
and taked about oppressor and occupiers was right about one thing, Arabs and Muslims are becoming Occupiers in America and have no desire to have a interest in the USA, they want the jobs and money but some spit on the flag and give aid to the enemies of the USA and Global Democracies.

Mr.Hooper......just wait until another 9/11 happens and you and CAIR spew your tripe about Islam having nothing to do with it , you yourself have said the Muslims can only be pushed so far until they have no choice but to react and defend themselves , so keep this in mind because the USA was not built on gutless wimps that will give up the land to Muslim nutbars bent on Global destruction for Allah and Muhammed , when the Mosques get attacked from the True backlash to protect America you'll see exactly how Americans felt because you won't be able to blame all Americans because that's "Racist" and "Bigotted" , plus when you see how nobody comes forward to turn in the vandals you can look in the mirror to see whose to blame for the deafening silence to condone violence.

Irony is so sweet .

Know Islam - No Peace

Posted by: ala-sux at February 18, 2007 3:00 PM

Robert said:

...that ever-elusive Secret Qur'anic Decoder Ring that turns "fight against those who believe not in Allah or the Last Day...even if they are of the People of the Book" (9:29) into "be tolerant and peaceful toward those who believe not in Allah or the Last Day...even if they are of the People of the Book." This Ring is said to be in the possession of many self-proclaimed moderate leaders, but they have never shared its inner workings with the masses.

The makings of some entertaining metaphysical fiction in the above idea. Maybe a conspiracy novel in the mode of The Da Vinci Code. Maybe it would turn out that Dan Brown was a secret member of the Masons and part of a huge centuries-old secret conspiracy to subvert Christianity with the covert aid of collectivist totalitarian pagan cult remnants of ancient Vikings and ancient Aztecs and the like, a few of whose brilliant cognoscenti would have secretly survived into modern times and would manage to recognize each other and forge alliances with each other and with the Masons for the destruction of modern civilization. Maybe the Qur´an, via some group like the Knights Templar, would turn out to have been the center of a centuries long alchemical effort to transform spiritual poison into spiritual gold, an effort till now unsuccessful, despite the death and corruption of many heroes in the alchemical quest. Maybe a Templar Knight (last of a tiny secret breed still surviving in modern times and allied with anthroposophists) would somehow finally learn the secret of how to forge the Ring that would transform the Qur'an into a book of love -- or else destroy the world altogether. It would be necessary for the Knight (during the course of a series of almost unimaginably difficult trials including in the end perhaps the loss of his life) to get into the holy of holies in Mecca, the Kaaba, bearing some earliest manuscript of the Qur'an, and...

Posted by: traeh at February 18, 2007 5:23 PM

Dear Mr. Spencer,

Whether credible because of its source (Saudi Educational program for terrorists in captivity) I don't know. But information has been posted (don't want to look it up) last year regarding a Saudi plan for re educating terrorists to the lesser violent perspectives of the Koran with the goal of restructuring the basic religious interpretations of Islam's documentations. According to the referenced article describing the work and parallel study, large percentages of jihadist interpreters were successfully facilitated in adopting the supposed loftier and non violent view of Islam. I'm not a strong believer in cognitive behavioral therapies, which provides the underpinning theory for this application, but these anti terrorism clinical fighters believe that the changes they are imposing are substantial and not requiring of deep psychotherapeutic issues normally addressed with psychodynamic forms of therapy. For myself, I don't believe that their efforts are genuinely as positive as reported. But I have nothing on which to base such a skeptical view, other than the realities inherent in the Koran's cultic capacity to overcome such positive changes. Regardless, their (clinician's) reported efforts should be considered when experts like yourselves address this issue. Please know that I have great confidence in and admiration for your contributions to this war. You are the leading hero of our times, no matter that your disagreements with the Iraq war are from my view not helpful, nor correct in their logic. As always thank you for your persistence in helping the west to fight something it has not understood, but is beginning to because of the single efforts of the likes of yourself (Dr. Bostom, Pipes, Phillips, Frontpage, Malkin, Emerson, and many others rising to this ocassion.

Sincerely,
Jesse Collins

Posted by: Jesse Collins at February 18, 2007 5:50 PM

Save them a lot of money.........throw away the koran.

Posted by: sounder at February 18, 2007 6:46 PM

When all is said and done, we are reminded continually of our extraordinary unwillingness to learn from history.

Posted by: rhamning at February 18, 2007 7:31 PM

Anger management? That's hilarious! Call Cult-Busters instead.

Posted by: champ at February 18, 2007 8:02 PM

I'll toss in a comment that was originally targeted at modern day school children and all their self-esteem training, but does rather nicely for radical Muslims as well:

Never has there been a generation so full of self esteem, for so little reason.

Posted by: Zenster at February 18, 2007 10:49 PM