jihad for a muslim is one step from being a moderate muslilm to a pious muslim. so the theory of a very small minority of muslims are actually terrorists is blown off the charts. quite literally.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at February 18, 2007 9:12 AM

anyone surprised?

anyone??

I wonder just how long we will sit back and allow this war to be waged against us before we even get the balls to name it out loud, much less to fight against it.

And all those moonbat Leftists are gonna be the ones standing around, dazed and confused in the aftermath, holding nothing but their dicks in their hands and wondering, 'What the hell happened, and where was I??'

Posted by: JenBee at February 18, 2007 9:13 AM

When someone drives a SUV into a crowd of people and admits on the spot it was jihad, we still pay attention for a day, maybe two...

It doesn't surprise me that no one listened when they tried to tell people it was political.

Posted by: Moose at February 18, 2007 9:34 AM

"when we wanted to clarify that to the Media, nobody listened to us."

Well that's a BIG suprise! Who would have ever thought...

Posted by: flowerknife_us at February 18, 2007 9:37 AM

But three days after the shootings, Kamal's family got a copy of a letter that was found on his body, they said. The letter said he planned the violence as a political statement, his daughter said.

"When we wanted to clarify that to the media, nobody listened to us," she said. "His goal was patriotic. He wanted to take revenge from the Americans, the British, the French and the Israelis."

(from above)
I would sure like to know who had that letter for three days.
I would also like to know which media they contacted.
Facts..just the facts.

"Prejudice is a great time saver. You can form opinions without having to get the facts."

Quote: E. B. White

Posted by: auntbea at February 18, 2007 9:43 AM

The FBI is still learning that the truth will eventually come out, it just takes-em 30 or 40 years.

Posted by: Jeff at February 18, 2007 10:02 AM

A poster above makes a point that needs to be emphasized: the letter was found on the body by the Americans. They knew exactly what the contents of that letter were. So why were those contents deliberatel withheld from the American press? Why was the American government, back in 1997, essentially playing along with, doing everything to accomodate, Arafat and the PLO in de-emphasizing the Jihad-duty, the Jihad-impulse? We know why, when a Jordanian soldier massacres six little Israeli girls visiiting a "Peace Garden" with their class on the Israeli-Jordan border, King Hussein rushed to pretend that the soldier has merely "gone crazy" and never mentions the promptings of Islam. We know why the Egyptians did the same when an Egyptain Airlines co-pilot grabs the controls and, shouting "Allah Akbar" aims the plane downard, he is committing an act that is prompted by his understanding of Islam. We know why Mubarak would claim, like Hussein, that when an Egyptian soldier kills Israeli tourists he has "gone mad." We know all this.

But we do not understand why the FBI, and the American police pretend that when an Egyptian kills two Israelis at Los Angeles airport, when a Muslim fires at a van with Jewish yeshiva studeents and kills one young boy and wounds another, when attack after murderous attack is reportedhere and there and everywhere, in Antwerp and Montreal, in Toronto and Paris, by Muslims beating up, stabbing, killiing Jews, this is never connected, ever, with the clear statements in the Qur'an and Hadith that, over the centuries, resulted in the mass killings of Jews, ignored by much of the Western world, in Grenada during the supposedly wonderful "convivencia," in Morocco under the Alhmohads, and through the centuries in almost every major and many minor cities in the Muslim Middle East (and think how much was never recorded, for who would have bothered to record such things?), and even in distant San'a, where 90% of the city's Jews were killed by Muslims in the late 17th century, right up to modern times, with the 1941 "Farhud" in Baghdad, and assorted pogroms in Tripoli, in Cairo, in Damascus, everywhere that there were Jews to be found.

And while, being weaker, the Jews were more eaasily attacked, Christians too -- all over the Muslim world -- have been the subject of similar massacres. Within the full light of today's reporting, Muslims have killed 200,000 Christians in East Timor and are busily killing tens of thousands, and destroying thousands of churches, all over Indonesia but especially in the Moluccas. Muslims have been attacking Christians (and Hindus) in Bangladesh and Pakistan, and Hindus in Kashmir (driving 400,000 Kashmiri Pandits permanently into exile).

But the American authorities seem dead-set in not finding Islam as the motivating force behind Muslim attacks on non-Muslims. The more they do this, the more they become themselves an object of mistrust and suspicion by Americans who would like to trust the FBI, and the police. This attempt to hold the lid on things, this attempt to appease Muslims and to mislead their victims, non-Muslims, will not work, but may destroy the effectiveness of the FBI and the Police.

Think back to the most famous political murder in recent American history: the assassination of Robert Kennedy. Sirhan Sirhan, the "Palestinian" murderer, has always been depicted as some kind of madman. He wasn't crazed at all. He was a perfectly rational Muslim, acting out Muslim revenge against the Infidels, and against someone whom he regarded as one more pro-Israel political figure. That is why Robert Kennedy was killed. Yet neither then, nor during the decades since, nor even today, has it been made clear that Sirhan Sirhan (those tautonyms are sinister, aren't they?) was merely carrying out what he considered to be his right and his duty as a Muslim.

Why hasn't this been made clear? Why haven't all of his statements at the time been released? Why don't we know exactly what he said Robert Kennedy had said or done (or that he thought he had said or done) that explained Sirhan Sirhan's decision to kill him?

Posted by: Hugh at February 18, 2007 10:35 AM

Hugh,
Thank you.

I do remember the first reports after RFK was killed that said that Sirhan had killed him because he supported Israel. It was barely a year after the Six Day War.
I don't remember it being hushed up, since political correctness had not yet taken us over and the Democrats were strongly pro-defense, George McGovern notwithstanding.

Will anyone question Bill Clinton or Rudy Giuliani about the Empire State Building attack? More than anyone, Giuliani needs to be confronted since he wants to become president and he was mayor at the time. What did he know and when did he know it?

Posted by: PMK at February 18, 2007 10:56 AM

The Leftists in this country and the muslims have something in common. It is their use of Taquiya. I think though that the Leftists are better at it than the muzzies. Time after time their actions show their spinelessness but half of this country still believes their "rhetoric" (Tacquiya). Even after a Muslim jihadist kills one of their Royalty
(Robert Kennedy) they will not do anything. The sad thing is they were alot less spineless 45 years ago than they are today. Zawahiri is right.
All they have to do is wait till 2008 and if the lemmings in this country elect a Dhimmicrat to the presidency the victory is theirs, this country indeed the free world is lost.

Posted by: TEXROCK at February 18, 2007 11:05 AM

All I understand is we the people ,our leaders and all non muslims have to wake up to the fact that the Islamic war on all of us has started long long back in different parts of world.
And time is running out fast or it may be too late to realise and accept it.
Around six years back,I was in similar state of denial and used to think its just a few minority people from Islam who are whacko and indulge in this so called jihad.
I was just like many of my friends right now, lost in our world of fun and joy,thinking well it does not concern us and it is not our problem and they got no enemity against us.

Sept 11 woke me up. I started to pay more attention and keep myself updated. Unfortunately even today many of the people I know call me crazy when I say that global warming will kill us later ,Islam will kill us first demographically or with a N-bomb.

My friends still argue that its not as big a problem as I make it sound.This is really discouraging because most of us ,like my denying friends ,still feel its not our problem.We are not affected.
We should make a huge effort to educate people on the danger ahead which is far more greate than Nazism or Commmunism or even racism.
I send jihadwatch links to all people I know, sometimes even to email id I just collect from other websites in the hope that people will read it atleast once and get intrested and make others aware of this website and the real picture will spread before its too late.

I hope everyone does this and spreads the danger of jihad message to everyone they can. We can mobilise support for the war declared on us only after our people realise that war has been declared and for majority of us ,its not our problem yet. The message has to spread fast and real fast because,I fear we may be out numbered by people like my friends who still beleive they are doing right thing by bieng secular minded but in reality they are ignoring the problem likely to hit them sooner or later.

This does not mean I am non-secular. I see no danger from the Chinese/Indian hindus/jews but I do see danger from a religion which calls me infidel/kaffir and whose religious book the koran says Kill kaffirs no matter what.

Posted by: Indiana_jones at February 18, 2007 11:10 AM

We desperately want an 'entity' to deal with and if not to reason with to fight. If it can't be a 'government' at least an 'organization' like 'al qaeda' that is 'a tiny minority perverting islam'.

The implications of individual Jihad as noble and 'acceptable' and at the very least 'understandable' to the vast MAJORITY of believing Muslims is so grotesque and horrific to us we don't want to(to use Okra Windbag's idiotic phrase) 'wrap our heads around it'.

These random mass murders of 'infidels' are not aberrations of Islam they ARE Islam in its purest form.

Posted by: poetcomic1 at February 18, 2007 11:20 AM

The Muslims can be reached. They can be touched. They have many Jihadist preachers and Jihadist mosques. You start by deporting and jailing these preachers and shuttering the mosques. If this gets escalated then you start liquidating preachers of Jihad and leveling their mosques. Last of all there are numerous "holy sites" that can be obliterated in Saudi Arabia, Iran and elsewhere in the Muslim world

But to do this all we have to break free of dependence on Arab and Venezuelan oil. We have to start liquefaction of our clean coal reserves in our Western States. Texas has just signed up for some new clean coal fired electricity generation plants. This is music to my ears

Posted by: dennisw at February 18, 2007 11:41 AM

"Killer's daughter admits it was political"

The admission is big, but the most important part of this story is not that the press, and apparently the police felt the need to hide this from us.

It's another "you can't handle the truth" incident.

Posted by: Jan Sobieski at February 18, 2007 11:48 AM

The Muslims can be reached. They can be touched. They have many Jihadist preachers and Jihadist mosques. You start by deporting and jailing these preachers and shuttering the mosques. If this gets escalated then you start liquidating preachers of Jihad and leveling their mosques. Last of all there are numerous "holy sites" that can be obliterated in Saudi Arabia, Iran and elsewhere in the Muslim world - Posted by: dennisw

Is it time to ressurect the Alien and Sedition Act?

There were actually four separate laws making up what is commonly referred to as the "Alien and Sedition Acts":

1. The Naturalization Act (official title: An Act to Establish an Uniform Rule of Naturalization) extended the duration of residence required for aliens to become citizens, from five years to fourteen. Enacted June 18, 1798, with no expiration date, it was repealed in 1802.
2. The Alien Friends Act (official title: An Act Concerning Aliens) authorized the president to deport any resident alien considered "dangerous to the peace and safety of the United States." Enacted June 25, 1798, with a two year expiration date.
3. The Alien Enemies Act (official title: An Act Respecting Alien Enemies) authorized the president to apprehend and deport resident aliens if their home countries were at war with the United States. Enacted July 6, 1798, with no expiration date, it remains in effect today as 50 USC Sections 21-24.
4. The Sedition Act (official title: An Act for the Punishment of Certain Crimes against the United States) made it a crime to publish "false, scandalous, and malicious writing" against the government or its officials. Enacted July 14, 1798, with an expiration date of March 3, 1801.

Posted by: miira at February 18, 2007 12:07 PM

By Tom Hays, Associated Press writer
NEW YORK -- The Palestinian teacher who went on a fatal shooting rampage atop the Empire State Building carried a note blaming the United States for using Israel as "an instrument" against his people.

http://www.s-t.com/daily/02-97/02-25-97/a05wn036.htm

Posted by: Arm A. Geddon at February 18, 2007 12:15 PM

Oh, and a solid saudi-official relationship right before the arab, muslim terror attack.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&res=9D06E5DC1531F934A15751C0A961958260

Shocking! saudis and muslim terror attacks on the US.

Good thing thing bush al-saud made a special point to personally import 10,000 MORE saudi muslims AFTER 9-11.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/008674.php

Writing. Wall.
Death.
Lather Rinse Repeat.

Posted by: Arm A. Geddon at February 18, 2007 12:27 PM

"Think back to the most famous political murder in recent American history: the assassination of Robert Kennedy. Sirhan Sirhan, the "Palestinian" murderer, has always been depicted as some kind of madman. He wasn't crazed at all. He was a perfectly rational Muslim, acting out Muslim revenge against the Infidels, and against someone whom he regarded as one more pro-Israel political figure. That is why Robert Kennedy was killed. Yet neither then, nor during the decades since, nor even today, has it been made clear that Sirhan Sirhan (those tautonyms are sinister, aren't they?) was merely carrying out what he considered to be his right and his duty as a Muslim."

Sirhan Sirhan was born a Maronite Christian, I wasn't aware that he coverted to Islam. He definitely sided with Muslim causes, more specifically, pan-Arabism but I wasn't sure if it was confirmed that he converted to Islam prior to the assassination. Also, during the 60's the American Muslim population was miniscule and most Arab Americans were overwhelmingly Christian so it's hard to see the dhimmi angle here. I think the antisemitism angle here is more salient than the Islam angle since Sirhan Sirhan was a hardcore antisemite.

Posted by: igor at February 18, 2007 12:33 PM

Identity, motives and background of muslim criminals get supressed all the time in the media, and that happens all over the world.

Swiss state television reported today, that the train station in Bern was evacuated for a few hours, due to a bomb threat by "an obviously confused passenger".

http://tagesschau.sf.tv/nachrichten/archiv/2007/02/18/schweiz/bombendrohung_im_berner_bahnhof

One has to scour a long range of publications diligently to find out finally in one newspaper, that surprise surprise, the police overpowered an "Algerian" this morning at the main train station in connection with a bomb threat.

http://www.blick.ch/news/schweiz/artikel56287

Deranged indeed.

Posted by: Hugo Schmidt-Fischer at February 18, 2007 12:45 PM

To bad Dan Glaister wasn't in line of fire during the "incident". Take your Prozac, Danny. Puff puff, snort snort....Danny's Bumper Sticker: Reality is a crutch for people who can't handle drugs.

Posted by: Frank at February 18, 2007 12:47 PM

I went up to the Observation Deck about 2 weeks ago and had to go through metal detectors. Now I know why. The price we pay every day is enormous and increasing, even if another wholesale carnage like 9/11 doesn't happen, all these little retail attacks are adding up..

Posted by: BunrattyBill at February 18, 2007 12:48 PM

A concern: Is every political act of terrorism necessarily attributable to the religion of the perpetrator?

I mean that HAMAS is a religious organization and FATAH his a secular one. Both have horrifically murdered Israelis.

We also know that the Serb Orthodox priests blessed and absolved the paramilitaries on their way to Srebrenica to murder (premeditated and planned) 7,800 people. But those murders were NOT the work of the Serb Orthodox church overall and therefore they can't be classified as "Crusader" violence.

If this man had killed as Islamic jihad, I think he would have said so in his note. What this article says is that it was political. And that may or may not mean it was religiously motivated.

I think it's worth to take some care. I know that is not a popular opinion on this website, but on a purely academic level I think it's a valid concern.

Dead is just as dead. But blaming Muslims for everything, including things not religiously motivated, will, I think, tend to alienate non-jihadist, non-sharia Muslims whose help we will need to build a future we all can live with.

Posted by: Morgaan Sinclair at February 18, 2007 1:10 PM

I googled Rudy Giuliani and the only contact info I could find was an e-mail address for his Giuliani Partners LLC.

It is info@giulianipartners.com .

I wrote and asked why as mayor of NY he permitted this letter to be suppressed.

I could not find any contact information for Rudy’s presidential campaign. If anyone has it I would appreciate if they would post it.

After the November election I began to doubt that we as a people would find the will to do what must be done to defeat the evil that is Islam resurgent. I intend to do whatever I can.

Posted by: Ralph127 at February 18, 2007 1:22 PM

There is far too much simple extremism in every segment of society. Mr. Spencer is attacked a bigot for incorrectly a racist for pointing out the Utah incident was by a Muslim. People like myself who profile this event as not being a "jihad type" are called names also.
I would not term the above mentioned event in New York a jihad event nor political. It is though a singular act of revenge like going "postal" where postal workers went into a mania to strike back at something they are helpless to deal with.

Reports show 10,000 Bosnians are in Utah and some of them are Muslim. What people are missing in this is except for 9 11 and several stopped attacks, is the fact these Muslims in their mode of vengeance are westernized. They arm like Rambo and go out alone. Innocent dead are always a bad thing, but 5 to 10 and a mall still standing is positive compared to 4 jets, 4 buildings and 3000 dead on 9 11.

What is being missed completely though is that 1 armed nut carried out Utah, but 1 ARMED CITIZEN STOPPED THE MURDER SPREE. The Americanized Muslims do not in essence mean to commit suicide. Their thought process does not carry that far in most cases. The POSITIVE IS AGAIN that these Muslims are not living, but executed on the spot by American armed justice. There are not any twisted lawyers or Diane Sawyer Babs Walters or Rosie O'Donnell crying and sympathizing. The POSITIVE MESSAGE is Muslims who carry out violence are blowed full of lead holes immediately.

That message will keep like events happening, because no cameras were carrying the feed alive for glory seekers. All there was was a corpse and a gun by the Second Ammendment working to protect Americans as the Constitution provides by the founders.

The system is working, so find the positives, but also do not label this as jihad to inspire other crazy Muslims to act out.
Are there problems? Yes. But the way to deal with it is to shut down immigration of all 3rd worlders who bring in violence.
The Russian mafia has murdered more people in America than Muslims.

Posted by: Lame Cherry at February 18, 2007 1:23 PM

Morgaan Sinclair declares "FATAH" secular.

The truth is these satan-worshipping, genocidal, Jew-killing demons ARE MUSLIM.

"Fatah" is a reverse acronym of the Arabic, Harekat at-Tahrir al-Wataniyyeh al-Falastiniyyeh. The word "Fatah" means "conquest by means of jihad [Islamic holy war]".

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Terrorism/Fatah.html

Posted by: Arm A. Geddon at February 18, 2007 1:33 PM

Jihad is the default or religious mode for any adherent of islam, whether it be an Albanian from Kosovo or a 'palestinean' in NYC.

It's not just another religion, its a plague from hell; get these fools out of the West, or force them to live with each other, or if necessary, put them out of their misery.

Every time I hear it's a religion of peace, or worse, some taquiyya from an adherent, I feel like reaching for a gun.

The mainstreammedia have to be the dumbest offalheads in the West, led by Punchy (aptly named)Sulzberger of the NYT.

How did we end up with so many fools in powerful positions ?

Posted by: dgene at February 18, 2007 1:41 PM

MSinclair-

There is no separation of politics and religion in Islam, no separation of church and state. That's true Islam. The point of this site is not that all Muslims are terrorists-murderers, but that that the theology of Islam mandates violence against those who are part of Dar-Al-Harb.

That is not true with Christianity. (I don't think any other religion is like Islam in that regard. But I don't want to speak of other religions without full knowledge of Hinduism, etc.)Though the Serbian clerics blessed those that killed "the enemy", they could not point to one thing Jesus said to permit that. Muslims may point, point, point, to reams of passages that permit deception ("war is deception"), violence and domination of the unbeliever ("Islam must dominate") and passages that permit killing the unbeliever. Jew-hating is also a big feature of Isalm. (Jews are considered a particularly debased people in Islam.) We cannot deny reality.

Anyone who thinks that the killer on top of the Empire State building was not thinking of Dar-al-Islam when he sought "martyrdom" is in the same state of mind as Dan Glassiter of the Guardian. The reality here is painful, especially if you happen to be in the line of fire.

Posted by: Frank at February 18, 2007 1:47 PM

Armageddon: "Fatah" is a reverse acronym of the Arabic, Harekat at-Tahrir al-Wataniyyeh al-Falastiniyyeh. The word "Fatah" means "conquest by means of jihad [Islamic holy war]".

That's a real stretch, kiddo.

Frank: There are lots of secularized Muslims who have nothing to do with this mess, and lumping them all together with the jihadists is like lumping every Serb Orthodox priest in with the few that "blessed" the Srebrenica murderers.

You need to follow your thinking to its natural conclusion. If you lump in the innocent with the guilty, what are you? And where does you line of thinking naturally lead you, and the world?

Answer: It leads only one place: genocide.

Posted by: Morgaan Sinclair at February 18, 2007 1:51 PM

From the article

Ali Abu Kamal's relatives say they are tired of lying

Uh, right. Like a fish gets tired of swimming, a bird gets tired of flying, a snake gets tired of crawling. Right.

Posted by: special_guest at February 18, 2007 2:09 PM

Morgaan Sinclair you missed the point, what is the difference between a " secularized Muslim" and a "pious Muslim"? you have potential terrorist when the "Secularized muslim" becomes "pious Muslim". to become a Pious muslim is to allow terrorism. There is no other religion like islam in that respect. so you therefore have a billion possible terrorist. l dont like those numbers, but it is logical to assume my point.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at February 18, 2007 2:10 PM

Hugh wrote: "(and think how much was never recorded, for who would have bothered to record such things?)"

Too bad Muslims haven't been as anally OCD about crossing their t's and dotting their i's as the Nazis were, who liked to document every last jot and tittle of their barbarity.

Posted by: remote_control at February 18, 2007 2:14 PM

Morgaan - cannot agree with you view of the Kosovo intervention.

Clinton helped take out our allies the Serbs (who largely supported us and helped the Jews in WWII), who got mostly a bad rap from am Albanian propaganda machine aided by the local lefties.

Shame on us - we supported the jihadis. Am convinced oil money helped in this, so the beltway whores were leaping to help.

All islamics are jihadis or potential jihadis - its the islamic constant default mode. The only moderate muslim is one who has fallen away from his religion or has suppressed it (or is lying to you).

Posted by: dgene at February 18, 2007 2:14 PM

"Frank: There are lots of secularized Muslims who have nothing to do with this mess, and lumping them all together with the jihadists is like lumping every Serb Orthodox priest in with the few that "blessed" the Srebrenica murderers".-MSinclair

That may be true but only because they are not "true Muslims", just as the Serbian clerics are not "true Christians". Neither secularized Muslims nor Serbian clerics are following the commands of their religion, the commands of Muhammad or Jesus. The point of this site is to ask: what are those commands? Does that matter? (We cannot keep pretending there is no difference in the commands.)

This site does not lump all Muslims together. The site simply points out that those who act in violent Jihad are standing on firm ground when they assert that they are true Muslims following the mandates of the Koran. It's true. Doesn't that matter?

Posted by: Frank at February 18, 2007 2:15 PM

I stand corrected on Sirhan Sirhan.

He was born a Christian. Or let me be more accurate: he was born, and then raised as a "Palestinian" Islamochristian, in the manner of George Habash. His reason for killing Robert Kennedy was not, however, because of some form of "nationalist" sentiment. In 1968, when he fired his shots, the "Palestinian people" business was no longer on the drawing boards but the plane had not yet taken off. As that hybrid thing, the Arab Christian who identifies completely with the Muslim world-view, and is heedless of the real condition of Christians, even Arab Christians, under Muslim rule (now, of course, many Christian Arabs have fled Bethlehem and Nazareth and have begun dimly to realize what their fate under Islma will be - but many can't quite accept this, and insist upon blaming not the Muslims who have been harassing and threatening and attacking them, but those dastardly Israelis who somehow are blamed).

You can be sure that in the household of Sirhan Sirhan, all the standard Arab Muslim views, without any deviation, were inculcated. He was not, after all, a Maronite or a Copt, and therefore aware that his origins pre-date the arrival of Islam, but the kind of Arab Christian whose sense of himself as an "Arab" virtually requires him, even if nominally Christian, to accept and belief and present to others the Muslim view, and to feel a Muslim resentment or, in Sirhan Sirhan's case, a murderous rage toward all those deemed part of some vast conspiracy.

Stil smarting from the defeat of the Six-Day War, in the safety of Amrerica Sirhan Sirhan did what he could to avenge that defeat. And what he could do is to aim his gun at Robert Kennedy, and pull the trigger.

Posted by: Hugh at February 18, 2007 2:16 PM

Morgaan Sinclair said

Answer: It leads only one place: genocide.

Ah, the G-word. In the posting from which you quote, you will note the complete absence of a call to murder. That is your invention, not Arm A. Geddon's.

There are many solutions to the problem of jihad, and home-grown jihad, that do not involve murder. You seem to have confused us with the jihadists. They are the ones who murder on the basis of religious affiliation, or lack thereof.

Identifying who is killing us, and why, does not make us murderers. It is only the first necessary step in protecting ourselves.

Posted by: special_guest at February 18, 2007 2:17 PM

When Muslims do violence to unbelievers they are following the commands as per Mohammed, when "Christians" do violence against unbelievers they are going against the teachings of Christ. It's not rocket science. Even I get it.

Posted by: Frank at February 18, 2007 2:20 PM

Hugh makes an excellent point.

"Still smarting from the defeat of the Six-Day War, in the safety of America Sirhan Sirhan did what he could to avenge that defeat."

Having spent a little time reading Dr. Jerrold Post, forensic psychiatrist at the Elliott School of International Studies at GWU, shame, pride, and sexual deviancy, inculcated antisocial behavior, and the like are part of the madrassah and jihadist mentality. One only needs to look at the Qubt quotes in Dinesh D'Souza's insane last book to find the sources of richochet supremacist thinking based in personal and cultural failure, translated to shame by a self-hostile ideology.

And what this implies is two things: an ideological failure in the religion and deeply entrenched sense of personal irresponibility and entitlement in the culture.

Posted by: Morgaan Sinclair at February 18, 2007 2:37 PM

This site is not talking about "all Muslims". It is asking the question: do the mandates to violence of Mohammad in the Koran and the traditions taught re Mohammed matter? The Jihadists say they do. The Jihadists point out that the Koran is dictation (word for word) from God. (It's not the Gospel according to Mathew, etc.) The Jihadists say: what don't you understand about a direct order from God?

JihadWatch is saying we should examine the direct orders that are allegedly coming from God because we could be in the line of fire. Why are we ignoring them?

Posted by: Frank at February 18, 2007 2:43 PM

Frank, one asset to the way Pipes thinks about this is that the INTERPRETATION of Islam means everything -- which is why he says that militant Islam is the problem and moderate Islam is the solution.

Now, obviously, you and a lot of other people on this board don't believe that. All Muslims are despicable because their religion is horrible. You and I disagree about that.

Now, two weeks ago a woman who has taught Hebrew at a Baptist university in Texas was stripped of her position and livelihood, because the Baptists are going ever-more conservative. They dismissed her because the New Testament (Timothy I) says flatly that women shall not teach men. Period.

From a press release. Quoting:

In a 2004 Baptist Press interview, referenced by Burleson, Patterson said the biblical passage in 1 Timothy that requires submission and silence of women in church is interpreted by “the evangelical world” to mean that a woman cannot serve as a senior pastor.

“It is a question of an assignment from God, in this case that a woman not be involved in a teaching or ruling capacity over men,” he said at the time. Patterson later added that the “highest and noblest calling of God” for women is to be a mother and grandmother, "even though it runs counter to an American culture that drives women to succeed in business and other endeavors."

End Quote.

Now, there are also New Testament verses, particularly in Galatians that say a woman should not speak in church at all.

But those verses have not been approached literally AT ALL in decades or centuries in some Christian cultures. But apparently, now that the Muslims are slapping women into burqas as fast as they can, some Christians are going to follow suit.

THE QUESTION IS INTERPRETATION. The interpretation of Timothy I and Galatians II: 28 are grown with the times.

And Muslims in this country who consider themselves good Muslims INTERPRET the Medinan verses as SUBJECT TO the Mecca verses and don't pay any attention to hadith at all.

Personally, I'll looking forward to the ninth madabh that, as Geert Wilders said this week, throws out half the Qur'an. And I know some Qur'anic theorists who just can't wait for that to happen.

And I think that's our best hope for the future. Because if Christians can't maintain a modern approach and go Crusader on us (suppressing women while they're at it) and consider all Muslims fair game journalistically and militarily, I don't think the war that's gonna result is going be one any us will even want to live through -- and will result in a world our kids can't possibly live in.

Posted by: Morgaan Sinclair at February 18, 2007 2:48 PM

The Holy Inquisition lasted from 1205 until 1785, when the last "heretic" in South America was burned at the stake for speaking his native language.

Now, how come it is that all those Christians for 580 years couldn't get that killing was against the scriptures?

THAT'S INTERPRETATION, FOLKS. Body count: 11,000,000 according to most historians. 35,000 according to the Vatican.

Truth: Much lower than the historians; much higher than the Vatican.

And that's why I say that dealing with Qur'anic jihad is IMPERATIVE but the case can be made, and a lot of ground covered, just by watching what's happened in better periods of history.

For example, it's good to remember that shari'a law was never the sole law of any Muslim country outside Sau'di Arabia until the 20th century.

And that's from Boston University lecturer Houchang Chehabi, and I'll guarantee you he what he's talking about.

Posted by: Morgaan Sinclair at February 18, 2007 2:52 PM

Morgaan Sinclair said:

Answer: It leads only one place: genocide..

Hmmmmmm. Now who do we know who always go nuclear with the word "genocide," making themselves the ultimate victims?

Posted by: Arm A. Geddon at February 18, 2007 2:56 PM

JihadWatch is like Apollo 13 astronauts examining all the data, looking at all the facts, all the hard figures, and breaking the silence with "Houston, we have a problem." It would be absurd if the answer came back that quoting the unpleasant data was an example of some phobia. But that is exactly what is happening to JihadWatch. There is a problem in the mandates of Muhammed and the Koran.

There is a problem. There is a problem if the problem is spotted.

Posted by: Frank at February 18, 2007 3:00 PM

"Jan ! I did not mean the above as a critcism against you or anything you said, Love, Jud"

Posted by: jud at February 18, 2007 12:47 PM

No problem Jud, I was just making a sarcastic reference to the Jack Nicholson quote from whatever movie it was.

I know we can handle the truth, but unfortunatley, some folks have decided to lie by omission. That practice has to end in the media and in government.

Blogs like Jihad Watch do a great service in exposing stories like this to a wide audience.

Posted by: Jan Sobieski at February 18, 2007 3:03 PM

"Now, obviously, you and a lot of other people on this board don't believe that. All Muslims are despicable because their religion is horrible. You and I disagree about that".

I don't like it when people put words in my mouth or attribute thoughts (I don't have) to my head. I speak for myself. Those are not my thoughts.

This reminds me of the joke: "You have the right to remain silent. However, anything you say will be misquoted and used against you in court".

Posted by: Frank at February 18, 2007 3:07 PM

Apologies, Frank. Consider this as an invitation to completely correct me by stating your position. I say that in all seriousness. If you don't think what I think you think, what do you think so that I can correct my thinking about it.

Posted by: Morgaan Sinclair at February 18, 2007 3:14 PM

Now, two weeks ago a woman who has taught Hebrew at a Baptist university in Texas was stripped of her position and livelihood, because the Baptists are going ever-more conservative. They dismissed her because the New Testament (Timothy I) says flatly that women shall not teach men. Period.

Morgaan, the Baptist univ, sets their rules,and if that means no women teachers, its their univ and so they follow their teachings. No one forces anyone to teach there or send their children there. I am assuming its a private Univ. and does not take goverment funds, and so it sets the rules, and not the government.

Now l do have a problem with univ. that do take money from the government (tax payer's money) and then
teach only very liberal views, no dissent ie with such as global warming, economics, etc.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at February 18, 2007 3:15 PM

"it's good to remember that shari'a law was never the sole law of any Muslim country outside Sau'di Arabia until the 20th century." -- Morgaan Sinclair

Wow.

First of all, there were no Muslim "countries" before the 20th century -- only a Caliphate (the Ottoman Empire being the most recent) and then regional blocs of areas more or less in varying degrees of internecine tension against that Caliphate. The Islamic Umma did not become refracted into "countries" until the West in its geopolitical superiority finally imposed its geopolitical grid on it definitively (as opposed to inchoately, as Napoleon and 19th-century colonial powers were doing) after World War I.

Secondly, what other "laws" does Morgaan Sinclair think pertained in the Caliphate of the Ottoman Empire, or in the other regional blocs of Islam? If there were other "laws" in the Egyptian bloc or other areas of North Africa, they pertained only because of French (or other Colonial) imposition, not because of anything arising out of Islamic culture. If there were other "laws" exerting a counterpull within the Ottoman Empire, it was, again, because of European pressure, not because of any development of legal/social progress arising out of the soil of Islamic culture itself.

Posted by: remote_control at February 18, 2007 3:27 PM

MSinclair-

Fair enough. I am very careful to not assume others think something, either. Humans project a lot. It can distort a lot re our perception of reality.

As per past history, it is important, but I think in many ways it is a tool to divert us from present unpleasant reality. Someone once said (I forget who): "The past is another country, people do things differently there". That may be true one day in the future re present day Islamic Jihad, just as it is true re the Inquisition. The Inquisition is another country, another world.

Posted by: Frank at February 18, 2007 3:27 PM

ZenaWarriorPrincess ... Look, the woman was teaching there for TWENTY YEARS and then they fire her?

Come on. And the problem with universities runs in both directions: some professors are Nazis and some are Hugh Hefner. It's interesting that I hear this about all this bias, and twice a week I have dinner and melon margueritas with four Harvard professors who are "supposedly" so Liberal but who entertain every argument I have with total respect.

And as far as the global warming thing goes, I wouldn't throw that out until you THOROUGHLY understand how a Lorenz Strange Attractor works, can grok what it means that the mean CO2 level in the troposphere has risen from 150 to 330 ppm since the beginning of the industrial revolution and will DOUBLE before 2050 and there is NO WAY to get rid of it.

The bottom line about global warming is that greenhouse gas effect is one of 12 major climate variables, 9 of which have nothing to do with human activity whatsoever. HOWEVER, that one is so important to the CO2 balance of source vs. sink, and that balance is so critical to mean earth temperature that we alone could turn this planet into hell.

And the other bottom line is that the people who DELIBERATELY crashed alternative energy financing in the 1970s -- see James R. Woolsey (neocon) and Frank Holdren, US Commission for Energy policy -- and thereby GAVE the terrorist $1 a day from 1979 to the end of 2006 -- are NOT YOUR FRIENDS. They take windfall profits and stuff their CEO bank accounts with it while your kids asthma, while your kids drink bad water and breathe bad air, and while you pay taxes to clean it up.

That's YOUR water, YOUR air, YOUR safety, YOUR cancer rate, YOUR government, and YOUR kids fighting terrorists with YOUR money that was TAKEN from you by stupid, arrogant greedy people who couldn't give A SHI***T what happens to you or your kids or your unborn or anybody else.

In the 1970s when people were in gas lines two miles long, Americans got enough of this C'RAP and started funding alternative energy. As Woolsey (the neocon) points out, the Saudis flooded world light sweet crude markets with so much cheap gas that it crashed AE investment. They did it again in 1989 and again in 1993.

And THEY DID IT AGAIN AS SOON AS THE IPCC report came out that stopped softpeddling melting glaciers, rising sea levels, and choking CO2 levels that are directly influenced by the burning of fossil fuels that the TERRORISTS can't wait to sell you more of while you make excuses for them and think you're a good American while you're doing it.

No, you're not. You're financing terrorist. You're contributing to a $2/billion a day balance of payments deficit, $1/billion a day of which goes straight to the 7,000 Saudi princes, 6,999 of which give payoffs to the Wahhabis so their kids don't get kidnapped off the streets of Riyahd.

Do they get a flying (*&^(&*^ if you get attacked by terrorists? Hell no. They just keep paying them off with your money, so what the ^)(*&^ problem is it for them?

AND ... while we go into debt at $2 a day -- that means YOU PERSONALLY AND YOUR HUSBAND AND ALL YOUR KIDS AND ALL YOUR GRANDKIDS WERE $150,000 IN DEBT WHEN YOU WOKE UP THIS MIORNING -- the Chinese are holding all the paper on our national debt.

And if that doesn't worry, it should.

All three of our worst problems -- terrorism, deficits, and decaying environemnt -- all center around just one thing:

THE GAS GOIGN IN YOUR GAS-GUZZLING CAR and the creepy, narcissistically self-centered people who routinely ra'pe you out of 1/4 to 1/3 of your income in cost of the fuel you use by direct payment or by taxation and the "cleanup" you have to do on your own nest while they give huge election donations to the people who will then turn around and tell them they can pass on the costs of everything from Love Canal to your skyrocketing insurance bills for the cancer that will strike one in nine of us ... to you.

I will grant you that the liberals have their proverbial heads where the sun don't shine half the time on everything ... but the environmental is NOT one of them. It's how YOU PAY THE ISLAMIC JIHADISTS.

SO DON'T KID YOURSELF, KIDDO. Think about it every time you crank the car and leave the lights and every time you think switch grass is just a nuisance that grows on the Great Plains every time you fail to plant something else.

Want know the real kicker? The Brazilians are now 60% of ALL OIL, and they did with the sugar cane they grew themselves.

They may be screwed up about plastic surgery, but they understand happens when when spoiled people let the Saudis and Exxon/Mobil run their government.

Posted by: Morgaan Sinclair at February 18, 2007 3:36 PM

Morgaan between the islamist terrorists and leftist environmental wackos, there is a need to control your daily life. l dont believe in conspiracies from the nutbars, any real alternaive for oil would be out by now.
l dont agree with the firing of that teacher, but its a Baptist Univ. you follow their rules, and heck she can get another job. If the Baptist univ. takes no money from tax payers, no problem, its called free choice. You vote with your dollars.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at February 18, 2007 3:47 PM

Maybe attacks like the mall shooting were jihad and maybe they weren't But Muslims have only themselves to blame for people thinking that they were. They are the ones that fostered the belief that they won't even blink unless Allah tells them to. So it is only natural for us ignorant infidels to think that a Muslim's every action is jihad motivated.

Posted by: Balrog at February 18, 2007 3:49 PM

HUGH
You are incorrect about Sirhan Sirhan. He was born Christian. Wikapedia is useful here but maybe incorrect?? ---->>>

Sirhan was born to Palestinian parents in Jerusalem and was raised a Maronite Christian. However, in his adult years he frequently changed his religious thoughts, to Baptist, Seventh-day Adventist, and Rosicrucianism.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirhan_Sirhan

*****We all know that the worst Christian Arabs have internalized Islam

Posted by: dennisw at February 18, 2007 3:51 PM

HUGH
I now see your Sirhan correction. Best to you as always!

Posted by: dennisw at February 18, 2007 3:54 PM

The only people who have called for genocide are muslims. Prez Tom says it everyday or so...if they had a giant can of Raid® they would use it.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at February 18, 2007 3:54 PM

I wonder just how long we will sit back and allow this war to be waged against us before we even get the balls to name it out loud, much less to fight against it.

One thing's for sure. When the current stranglehold on our speech and thought breaks, it'll be a sudden, violent break and it won't be pretty.

And when the break does happen, will we be able to opposed Islam? I ask that question in light of the predominant media and their tremendous power over how the masses think.

For example, we just went through a year long scandal where it was known from the beginning that there was no scandal, that the publicity whore Valerie Plame had not been a field operative within the past 5 years.

When reality no longer matters, and that is certainly the case in our public discourse these days, the poisonous flower of Islam blooms.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at February 18, 2007 3:58 PM

Return the favor.

Find out where his family members are, and drop a JDAM on each one.

And drop 5 on the imam that put him up to it.

Then take credit for it.

Attack the US as a lone jihaddi, and we should strike back at what the jihaddi values.

Posted by: Kristopher at February 18, 2007 3:58 PM

Frank ... Thank you! I appreciate it. I don't want to attribute to you an attitude that you don't have. First ... I apologize. And I thank you for setting me straight and the people who may have got the wrong impression from what I wrote.

Here's the rub: Unless we want to consign all Muslims to the most violent, terrorist jihadist interpetation that we find in Al Qaeda and the Khomenite Shia Islam, in Qubt/Al Banna salafist philosphy, etc. -- then we have to leave room for another interpretation to be valid. Islam, IN PRACTICE, runs the gamut from almost entirely secular to insanely literalist.

One litmus test of this is that every time Al-Zawahiri or bin Laden or al-Bashir call for the mass of Muslims to rise ... NOTHING HAPPENS. So they keep calling for worldwide, violent jihad by the all Muslims, and they never get it.

They get a few nasty terrorist attacks, followed by a lot of financial graft, followed by a cells everywhere, in every culture that want to do us harm. They get a lot of ranting imams.

And they get NO SWELLING GROUND-BASED MASSIVE VIOLENT JIHAD.

They get ... a lot of people cowering in Thailand, cowering in Indonesian, cowering in Saudi Arabia, cowering in Bangladesh. And elsewhere.

There's a lot of problems and those problems are BIG. And now they're our problems. There is massive ideological conservatism and fundamentalism in some places -- Pakistan, Saudi, etc.

But then, on the other hand, every poll coming out of Iran says that the majority want regime change. But they can't get it. In 2003, the candidacies of ALL THE LIBERAL, MODERATE AND REFORMISTS candidates -- some 4,200 -- were voided by the Iranian Supremem Council, including those of 1,700 sitting members of the bicameral majlis (congress). They have no choice, like the Muslims under Saddam had no choice, in any election. Therea re no elections in Saudi Arabia at all. But now there is open civil disobedience in Jeddah that the muttawiyyah (the religious police) can no longer operate.

The same is true in a number of other countries. In the United States, most Muslim women don't wear cover. In Indonesia -- exclusive of the Aceh (which is now falling back under the influence of the GAM with Islamists losing badly in the last election when they elected a GAM prime minister) -- attempts to rescind the pluralistic Pancasila doctrine were voted down in a landslide that gave 87% of the vote to Badawi. In his first address and prime minister, Badawi slammed the Islamists, basically saying that over his dead body would shari'a become law in Indonesia. Do they have problems. OH YES!! But look at what they do when they vote. It's been less than five years since the Islamists bullied the Indonesian government into virtual independece, with radical imams rushing into the vacuum stupidly created by the Indonesian government when they barred the GAM independence folks from standing for election. As soon as the Muslims had the secular GAM politicians to vote for, they did!

That means something. And all I'm saying is that when we tar people like these Indonesians -- who are the most populous Muslim community in the world (Indonesia is the 4th most populous country in the world) -- we are doing them an injustice and we are stupidly turning them against us. The Bangladeshis, under siege from a small, but virulent Islamist political group, begged the US for help last year with intelligence and immediately pulled in and merged with Interpol to try to identify the terrorists in their midst. Sure, it's tempting to want to give in, but they don't. The "letters to the editor" of Bangladeshi newspapers are the most courageous single body of anti-Islamist ranting I've ever seen, and those guys, to a person, SIGNED THEIR OWN NAMES.

Guts.

Guts and grace.

Yet in much of the conservative blogging in America, these people are vilified on a daily basis. Ditto Morocco. Ditto Kosovo. Ditto anything with a majority Muslim population.

And, as Woolsey is wont to say so often: There have been periods in the past of exemplary comity, and reminding Muslims of those times -- not perfect for them, and also not perfect with regard to our behavior, either -- gives Muslism some place to go and some framework to undrestand that the Islam that Al Qaeda is so eagerto define for them is not the one there is, there was, or that can be.

And that is a distinction worth trying to maintain.

Posted by: Morgaan Sinclair at February 18, 2007 4:03 PM

We are treated to the sme old pattern. Yawn
Thank you M sinclair for a least some variation.

#1 We are Islamophobics -we tar all Muslims with same brush - in spite of the near invisabilty of the other kind.
"But blaming Muslims for everything, including things not religiously motivated, will, I think, tend to alienate non-jihadist, non-sharia Muslims whose help we will need to build a future we all can live with."

#2 Bring up some ancient Christian History as proof that Christains are just as guilty.

"The Holy Inquisition lasted from 1205 until 1785, when the last "heretic" in South America was burned at the stake for speaking his native language.

Now, how come it is that all those Christians for 580 years couldn't get that killing was against the scriptures?"

#3 Provide us with proof that modern day Christians are just as bad. This time it was a welcome change from T. McVeigh.

"But apparently, now that the Muslims are slapping women into burqas as fast as they can, some Christians are going to follow suit."

#4 Slap us with the big gun. GENOCIDE (Amazing that Muslims and their apologists never get the fact that this word does not instill the fear in our hearts that it does theirs. It is the difference between our God given gift of free choice and theirs of no choice.)

Is there a play book that tells them what to bring up in these discussions? Outside of the obvious one being the Koran.

Aunt Bea

Posted by: auntbea at February 18, 2007 4:04 PM

Frank, gotta go. So if you respond I won't see it until tomorrow. So please don't be offended if I don't answer ... Paper to write. Always another dadburned paper to write.

Posted by: Morgaan Sinclair at February 18, 2007 4:05 PM

Check out the story that is on Foxnews.com about the three women found bludgeoned to death in Chicago.
No problem mentioning their Religion even before the police released their names.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,252628,00.html

At first I thought it was Islam because of the names and the fact that the man who commited this domestic crime was caught attempting to bludgeon himself to death. Do you have any idea how hard that is to do?

Aunt Bea

Posted by: auntbea at February 18, 2007 4:16 PM

Bravo Investors Business Daily, the only paper with the balls to discuss (unattributed) Robert's "Sudden Jihad Syndrome"

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=256521423294106

Posted by: sonomaca at February 18, 2007 4:26 PM

When ever I here a MSM story about something like the Mall Shooting, being reported as an "isolated incident", I am reminded of what one of my law enforcement buddies said.

Each trigger pull is an isolated incident.

The first trigger pull could be self defense or an accident. The next trigger pull could be manslaughter or murder.

The just of this posting is that these "isolated incidents" as we well know; have a thread. We do know what the thread is. It isn't poverty, or lack of self esteem.

As we have seen this week in congress, the left has absolutely no knowledge of logic or the ability to "connect the dots." They just show us reactions and emmotional feelings. Much like the reactions and expressions that we see from Muslims.

Posted by: credit man at February 18, 2007 4:30 PM

Every time a Moslem shoots anybody but another Moslem (or a Moslimah sister, daughter, etc. for having done something to the "honor" of the clan) it is an act of jihad.

American "authorities" (in quotes because of their complicity with Moslems in fooling the American public) cover up these Moslem crimes against non-Moslems, ostensibly because they are afraid of the "backlash." In actuality it is most probably in obeisance to the Saudi paymasters, "friends" of those in high places, and the interest in keeping the owners of the oil sources mollified.

Every time a Moslem goes on a shooting spree and kills non-Moslems it is jihad. Do not allow yourself to be taken in by the coverup that most alwaays follows the act.

Whether the Moslem that shoots what-to-him are "infidels," whether he is mentally stable, unbalanced, or completely unhinged, he is committing jihad.

The "insanity defence" does not wash with us lay people. You must first of all be mentally unbalanced to believe the utter hogwash that you have to believe to be a Moslem. So, to be a Moslem, being mentally unbalanmced is a given.

As for the so-much-feared "Backlash," it will come. No matter how the "authorities" lie and obfuscate to prevent it, the clash will come. There are too many of us wise to the ways of Islam. We will not submit, regardless of what our "authorities" and their masters have in store for us.

It (backlash-resistance) must come before the percentage of Moslems in the US is high enough so that we have to become guerrillas in our own occupied country.

Posted by: unicorns62000 at February 18, 2007 4:30 PM

"Think back to the most famous political murder in recent American history: the assassination of Robert Kennedy. Sirhan Sirhan, the "Palestinian" murderer, has always been depicted as some kind of madman. He wasn't crazed at all. He was a perfectly rational Muslim, acting out Muslim revenge against the Infidels, and against someone whom he regarded as one more pro-Israel political figure."
[Emphasis Added]

Hugh, I really enjoy your posts for their informative and knowledgable content. Are you sure about Sirhan Sirhan being a Muslim?

Daniel Pipes replies:

"Sirhan Bishara Sirhan, born March 19, 1944, in Jerusalem, is a Christian, not a Muslim."

From: http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/1928

Posted by: Zenster at February 18, 2007 4:33 PM

Re. Sirhan Sirhan the "Palestinian" who killed RFK because of RFK's supposed pro-Israel stance. One does not need to attend mosque to be affected by the teachings of the Qur'an. It is enough to live in a society based on sharia. It is enough to be surrounded by friends, classmates, teachers, who pass on the "values" contained in it. Perhaps Sirhan Sirhan, the Arab nationalist, was not a follower of Islam, the religious embodiment of Arab nationalism. But he and his parents (and one supposes, his grandparents, etc.) shared the anti-Semitism, the rabid anti-Americanism, the reliance on violence to resolve conflict, of the majority Muslims in "Palestine".

The best case would be if we could identify only those "few radical" Muslims who will "go jihadi", if we could distinguish them from the "vast majority of moderates" who will not actually strap on a suicide vest. But we can't distinguish them. Fellow Muslims can't, or won't, help us distinguish them. But more than that, we can't distinguish non-Muslims who have been raised in a majority Muslim society to "go jihadi".

If/when we get serious about immigration policy, this will become important. Currently there is a controversy about the U.S. allowing a flood of Iraqi refugees into the country. Some have suggested that we should allow Iraqi Christians, but not Iraqi Muslims, into the U.S. But is that test the right one? Should the question be whether they attend mosque? Or is the question whether they believe in Arab racial supremecy, whether they believe that the U.S. is the Great Satan, whether they believe that the Jews control the world and drink the blood of children, whether they would (if given the chance) replace the Constitution, whether they can accept that women can drive cars and go out without a male escort and choose their own husband long after the age of 9 years, etc.

The Qur'an is the original source, but the ideology now permeates the entire culture. If we cannot distinguish the ideological jihadists, what is the implication for immigration policy?

Posted by: special_guest at February 18, 2007 4:38 PM

None of this should be surprising to anyone. Real truth is so often marginalized that lies are commonplace in the United States. The FBI, the President, Congress -- they have all lied to us repeatedly about the Islam threat since 9-11. The movie theater shooting -- jihad denial. The mall bombing -- jihad denial. The truck run into college students -- jihad denial.

I wish lies made bad things go away, but it just attracts more evil to roost.

These attacks aren't even the great threat: the real danger is the political inroads being built by the Islamic lobby in Washington. If Barack Obama ever gets elected President then you'll see a massive influx of Islam into this nation -- not because I believe Obama is Muslim, but because I firmly believe he won't take action against Islam.

As with all the jihadists -- the ones that blow themselves up aren't the ones to worry about so much -- it's the ones that send out the suicide bombers that you'd better start finding.

Posted by: Foehammer at February 18, 2007 4:43 PM

"Are you sure about Sirhan Sirhan being a Muslim?"
-- from a posting just above

I discovered my mistake and discuss it at length above. For the mistake I put myself in the corner with a dunce cap on, but being of a melting disposition, I also agreed to let myself write a few words (on the blackboard reachable from that corner to which I have been self-condemned)to explain that Sirhan Sirhan was in fact an "islamochristian" with an emphasis on the first part, and was getting his revenge for the defeat, the year before, of the Arabs in what is, no mattre how many local Christian Arabs may feel compelled to join in (and by now the Christian Arabs have been reduced in such numbers, by the pressure of circumambient Islam, that they are not likely to be be quite so willing to actively participate) the Lesser Jihad, which springs from the tenets, attitudes, and atmospherics of Islam.

Islamochristians such as Sirhan Sirhan may not have been brainwashed to accept the tenets of Islam, but their brains have internalized the attitudes of Islam, and they have grown up in socities suffused with Islam, where one breathes in the atmosphere, or better atmospherics, of Islam.

Posted by: Hugh at February 18, 2007 4:43 PM

miira,

The following we can do without.

4. The Sedition Act (official title: An Act for the Punishment of Certain Crimes against the United States) made it a crime to publish "false, scandalous, and malicious writing" against the government or its officials. Enacted July 14, 1798, with an expiration date of March 3, 1801.

What could be considered to be false, scandalous [or] malicious writing [by us] against those in power by those in power, can be the uncovering of the truth--complicity of those in power with the enemies of the American people (whether through ignorance, "political correctness," or economic gain).

If we cannot criticize "the government or its officials," we are in trouble. Many in the government and its officials are suspect of covering for, or being in cahoots with, the self-declared enemies of the United States: the followers of the ideology that calls itself Islam.

Posted by: unicorns62000 at February 18, 2007 4:52 PM

MSinclair-

I'm not the scholar that Robert or Hugh are in these matters. However, I look over data and see what I see and "I change my opinion as the facts change" as Churchill said. The truth-fact is that in the overwhelming portion of the Muslim world there is no freedom of conscience in the matter of religion. People have no alternatives other than Islam. That kind of condition can never produce real "moderation". It must produce a vicious intolerance of "the other".

Supremacism and the presumption of inequality of beliefs is systemic in Islam. The center of this supermacism-domination ideology is in Saudi Arabia and all Muslims must bow to that place that is barren of all freedom of conscience in matters of religion. When there is full and complete equality of religious belief in Saudi Arabia and all of the Muslim world then the facts will have changed.

Posted by: Frank at February 18, 2007 4:54 PM

Apologies for repeating the observation that igor already made.

Posted by: Zenster at February 18, 2007 4:57 PM

Good luck on your paper. (People always say that. But a good paper is not a matter of luck.) Anyway, good luck.

Posted by: Frank at February 18, 2007 5:03 PM

Hugh,

It is difficult to sort out Christian Arabs from Arab Christians. I do not know which are which, but how about Hanan Ashrawi? Christian or Arab? (actually not pure Arab as the "Palestinians" are not homogeneously that).

Then there is Joseph Frah, a finer person you will have a difficult time to find.

it is as you say, Hugh, if they imbibe the Islamicity that is in the air, they feel a common bond with those who speak the same language. When they have to choose whether to side with the Islamics amongst whom they are living or with the Jews, the choice appears limited.

It suffices that Sirhan Sirhan said he killed Robert Kennedy to avenge that one's support for Israel to see whether he stood with the "Jordanian" Arabs or with those Christian Arabs who are not Islamophiles.

Posted by: unicorns62000 at February 18, 2007 5:03 PM

I AM !)))) 1000/% Sure grate grate indians too would have played SOME DIAbolical role as they have always TANGOED with PLO. VERT openly and proudly not clandestinely. Threadbare investigation would certainly lay them exposed bare . Seriously.

Posted by: Crows&Cows at February 18, 2007 5:16 PM

Of course, shooting people at random in revenge for our support of Israel provides an object lesson in what it is that Israel faces, thereby increasing support for Israel.
One bomb is worth ten thousand words.

Posted by: jewdog at February 18, 2007 5:26 PM

Correcting typo:

"VERY" not "VERT".

Posted by: Crows&Cows at February 18, 2007 5:29 PM

"Islamochristians such as Sirhan Sirhan may not have been brainwashed to accept the tenets of Islam, but their brains have internalized the attitudes of Islam, and they have grown up in socities suffused with Islam, where one breathes in the atmosphere, or better atmospherics, of Islam."

Thanks for the idea Hugh: I now have a term for people like Bush, Rice, Rumsfeld, O'Reilly, Hannity, and even Limbaugh: Leftoconservatives.

Thus:

Leftoconservatives such as Bush may not have been brainwashed to accept the tenets of Leftism, but their brains have internalized the attitudes of PC Leftism, and they have grown up in socities suffused with PC Leftism, where one breathes in the atmosphere, or better atmospherics, of PC Leftism.

Posted by: remote_control at February 18, 2007 5:31 PM

I am quite sure Indians ,many of them must have been involved in 9/11 also.

REmember RSS and Communistsleftists are all always America haters. RSS actually tangoes with Carter and Infinity Foundations. Plus how appaallingly NAIVELY preposterous of indians (majority) to claim ignorance of JEWISH HOLOCAUST ???
They simply (sic)adore Hitler (sic ).

Indians insatiable LUST for MONEY is LEGENDARY indeeeed !!!

Posted by: Crows&Cows at February 18, 2007 5:38 PM

No surprise there. What is even more troubling is that it would only take a very limited number of muslims to bring down the US judicial system. Think about it. Muslims shoots nonmuslims. His lawyer demands he be tried by his peers, so they put muslims on the jury. Then his lawyer argues that his client is innocent, that this crime was really committed by Mossad, and Jews in the Police Department framed his client. You only need one muslim to buy into to get a hung jury. How hard do you think is to get that one muslim who thinks the shooting is justified and would not vote to convict no matter what the evidence? In my view, once the number of muslims is great enough that they don't fear a backlash, not hard at all. It would be like the OJ Simpson trial all the time.

Posted by: godfreyofbouillon at February 18, 2007 5:48 PM

The most benighted Jew-hater I ever met was a Coptic Christian from Egypt. He had all the negative stereotypes down pat, and it's the first time in my American life I've ever been hassled personally when someone didn't like something some Israeli did.
I guess that's how the terrorist mind works: It collectively indicts innocent people who are related by ethnicity or nationality to a perceived enemy. Those infidel Harbis.
Yes, Islamo-Christian. And his family had to flee Egypt because of anti-Christian persecution!
Welcome to America, now go home.

Posted by: jewdog at February 18, 2007 5:50 PM

Bravo Investors Business Daily, the only paper with the balls to discuss (unattributed) Robert's "Sudden Jihad Syndrome"

Daniel Pipes came up with the phrase "sudden Jihad syndrome"

Posted by: dennisw at February 18, 2007 6:03 PM

Ali Abu Kamal's relatives say they are tired of lying

Uh, right. Like a fish gets tired of swimming, a bird gets tired of flying, a snake gets tired of crawling. Right.

Special_guest,

I find the relatives' statement very believable. If the killer simply went crazy then there is no honor in his acts. They like to tell us that if a Muslim kills one innocent person it is as if he killed the whole world.

On the other hand, if he died after committing an act of jihad then he becomes a hero and the relatives go up a notch in the eyes of their neighbors. They WERE tired of lying. They wanted the glory that comes with having a martyr in the family.

Posted by: PMK at February 18, 2007 6:10 PM

unicorn62000
Every time a Moslem shoots anybody but another Moslem (or a Moslimah sister, daughter, etc. for having done something to the "honor" of the clan) it is an act of jihad.

I agree but there is one exception. The Sunni terrorists of Iraq are making Jihad on the Shi'ites as they mass murder them with bombs. They call the Shi'ites apostates,polytheists, infidels. I would call this Jihad

But anytime Muslims mass murder non Muslims this is Jihad. It was Jihad when the Turks (aided by Kurds) massacred Armenians and Greeks. Though rarely is it called Jihad it is Jihad in my book

Posted by: dennisw at February 18, 2007 6:10 PM

Woolsey? I saw him on CNN a few years back saying that Osama is "just like" King Ferdinand and Isabella. That he is. Except that King Ferdinand and Isabella were legitimate civil authorities leading a legitimate conventional army against a hostile state created by an invading army that constantly went on brutal slave raids into Christian Spain and hosted a major invasion from North Africa every few decades. Otherwise they are exactly the same. If you can't distinguish a terrorist from a civil authority, your tenure as CIA chief will likely have disastrous consequences for the country, and Woolsey's did. Didn't Woolsey practice the policy of allying with Osama in Kosovo and Bosnia? And how come Osama's role in the deaths of US servicemen in Somalia was not reported by MSM until years AFTER it happened, including the "paper tiger" quote? The motivations and people behind killing of US servicemen are not newsworthy? But hey, it was most important to prevent a possible backlash against muslims in this country, to raise the alarm so people are on watch for a terrorist attack and quite possibly prevent several thousand innocent non-muslims getting killed was only of secondary importance, as apparently it is now as well. Have a lot of people already forgotten how well that worked out for us?

Reading some of this crap, one would think conservatives have this magical power to control other people's minds. They think muslims are violent - voila, that creates a bad vibration of in the life force of the universe which makes muslims violent. When a significant part of your country's "elite" confuses cause and effect, you're in for some "interesting" times. So one more time; people think Islam is a violent religion BECAUSE it's adherents commit a lot of violence against non-muslims, and NOT THE CONVERSE - that muslims commit a lot of violence against non-muslims because people think Islam is a violent religion. This is elementary cause and effect, common sense really, and yet beyond the grasp of a lot of our Ivy League educated politicians and reporters. Which makes me wonder what exactly they teach there.

Posted by: godfreyofbouillon at February 18, 2007 6:26 PM

PMK, I agree with you 100%, that the family is doing this to gain glory and status. According to them, they lied for 10 years, and the strain of keeping that lie was finally too much for them. My point is that they are not tired of lying. Taqiyya is second nature, it's as natural as breathing. Lying did not stress them out. Failing to get the glory they deserved for this heroic mass murder is what motivated them.

Posted by: special_guest at February 18, 2007 6:42 PM

"1997 Empire State shooting was revenge for U.S. support for Israel"

Revenge? Why how very Islamic. And bin Laden has stated his intention to take 2 million lives of our children in revenge as well. An eye for an eye until the whole world is blind apparently. Islamic morality - a real step-forward for human civilization.

Posted by: Caroline at February 18, 2007 6:57 PM

Special-Guest,
Thanks for clarifying.

Posted by: PMK at February 18, 2007 7:04 PM

PMK,
"Like a fish gets tired of swimming, a bird gets tired of flying, a snake gets tired of crawling."

... and Hugh gets tired of writing... *grin*

Cheers,

http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com

Posted by: Doctor Bulldog at February 18, 2007 7:49 PM

... "sudden jihad syndrome," a condition in which normal-appearing American Muslims abruptly turn violent.

How can someone who observes the Sunnah and worship hatred, terrorism, extortion, lying, murder, sex-slavery, pedophilia, robbery, and genocide and the like appear normal?

Therein lies the rub.

But they weren't just anyone. They were all young Muslim men. Of course, the FBI can't treat all law-abiding young Muslim men as potential killers.

Why not?

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at February 18, 2007 7:54 PM

Has anyone emailed the article link to Deseret News?

Posted by: Brett_McS at February 18, 2007 8:17 PM

I see Sirhan Sirhan as a willing Dhimmi (as opposed to a cringing Dhimmi). Willing Dhimmis exhibit pathology somewhat similiar to Stockholm syndrome,(aka Patty Hearst syndrome), in that they identify with, and even actively assist, their overlords. This seems to be what Hugh means by "islamochristian". Hanan Ashrawi is another willing Dhimmi. Cringing Dhimmis would, for example, be the various arab Christians who are quoted, but decline to give their names or full identities in this story from 2005 by Khaled Abu Toameh, in the Jerusalem Post:

Away from the manger - a Christian-Muslim divide
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1129540575411&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FPrinter

Non Dhimmis are those (few), who state their own beliefs and position without cringing; in that JPOST article: Farid Azizeh and Samir Qumsiyeh.

Posted by: del at February 18, 2007 8:26 PM

"When we wanted to clarify that to the media, nobody listened to us," she said. "His goal was patriotic. He wanted to take revenge from the Americans, the British, the French and the Israelis."

How damning does it get? The islamic koranic ideology is a scourge on all mankind. We need to address it. WE NEED TO ADDRESS IT. JWr's need to shout it from the rooftops. Eventually, if enough of us keep on shining the lights on the truth--some one will have to pay attention--even in the MSM.

Posted by: BB at February 18, 2007 8:30 PM

jewdog-

I like your style. Don't go home. Stay.

Posted by: Frank at February 18, 2007 8:40 PM

***************ATTENTION!!!********************

Hey Everybody,

I just got this from Brigitte Gabriel's group, American Congress for Truth. It's coming on in about twenty minutes:

Eye-Opener on Extent of Islamic Activity in US

Investigative Project on Terrorism Alert
On Sunday night, February 18, on Fox's "Hannity's America" show, airing at 9:00pm ET, an exclusive undercover video shot by the Investigative Project on Terrorism over a series of years of a radical Islamic cleric, Sheik Abdul Alim Musa, will be broadcast on the Fox News Channel. The Imam, who presides over two mosques and a popular Islamic organization, has actually been invited to White House Ifthar dinners.

The Investigative Project on Terrorism (IPT) shot this undercover video of Musa during a period of 7 years. About 5 minutes of incendiary IPT video is expected to be broadcast at around 9:30pm ET during which time Hannity will be confronting Musa live about his violent exhortations. Later this year, the Investigative Project on Terrorism will be releasing the full out-takes of the extremist speeches and rallies led by Musa calling for suicide bombings and his violent anti-Semitic and anti-American speeches. What is most shocking is the degree to which Musa has achieved "mainstream" status in the Muslim community.
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Please pass turn it on and pass it on.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at February 18, 2007 8:40 PM

Thanks, Frank. You can scratch my ears. Woof!

Posted by: jewdog at February 18, 2007 9:00 PM

Jew dog sez:

'The most benighted Jew-hater I ever met was a Coptic Christian from Egypt.'

Frankly, I didn't think they were that bad.
But when it comes to the likes of Hannan Ashrawi the Jew-hatred and the fanaticism is as perverse or worse than from the most demented Jihad freak.

Truly a bizarre phenomenon!

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at February 19, 2007 6:27 AM

The way I see it, is the FBI only goes after domestic people, not international people. Look at WACO, Ruby Ridge, the list is immense ! Mention Islam, and they shy away.

Posted by: Jeff at February 19, 2007 6:54 AM

"The Investigative Project on Terrorism (IPT) shot this undercover video of Musa during a period of 7 years. About 5 minutes of incendiary IPT video is expected to be broadcast at around 9:30pm ET during which time Hannity will be confronting Musa live about his violent exhortations. Later this year, the Investigative Project on Terrorism will be releasing the full out-takes of the extremist speeches and rallies led by Musa calling for suicide bombings and his violent anti-Semitic and anti-American speeches. What is most shocking is the degree to which Musa has achieved "mainstream" status in the Muslim community"

....I watched this interview and was not surprised at the venom Musa spewed...I have heard him speak at other occassions. He is a vile person and does not deserve to be the US...
the degree to which Musa has achieved "mainstream" status in the Muslim community"

...you should not be surprised to "the degree to which Musa has achieved "mainstream" status in the Muslim community"

.....It has been shown that most Muslims it the US consider themselved Muslims first.....It has also been shown that approximately 80% of the mosques in the US are led by the firebrand type of Islamic clerics who follow the violent type of teachings that are prevalent in so many of the Mosques in Muslim led countries...Jihad in action...it would be a safe assumption to say most of his followers are just awaiting for the order to attack....The followers certainly are being politically indoctrinated and are receiving training in the various ways to kill large numbers of people at one time...As the number of the "single case assaults" rise, it becomes more clear that you will be able to connect the dots....

....Of course the Muslims deny these assaults are terror related...Muslims hate the truth....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at February 19, 2007 7:12 AM

Morgaan:

By their works shall ye know them.

That we are or have been just as bad.

Or that their evil is just our fault (using oil).

When they make the equivalence argument, they are likely apologists, socialists or fifth colimnists.

"leads to genocide" ?

Another useless limousine liberal suffering from intellectual pride.

go back to your candlelight dinners with other fools and leave the fighting to other people who didnt study and stay in school and so, according to Kerrey, ended up in Iraq

Posted by: dgene at February 19, 2007 9:26 AM

dgene,

You need not be so hard on Morgaan. After all, this is the same individual who once attacked Robert, on the word of a third party, who thought they overheard Robert mouthing hateful remarks,although, as it turned out, they had no idea whatsoever,as to his appearance. I wouldn't trust anyone who jumps to such conclusions based on hearsay,with the keys to a Dodge Pinto.

Posted by: We need G.C. Scott at February 19, 2007 3:30 PM