Naaaah, they were targeting the cattle. It is a new tactic to target the ancestors of rival hindu adversaries.

A graduation certificate from the "seminary" does not exactly qualify one to step up to a western kindergarten class....

Posted by: infidel! at February 24, 2007 9:01 AM

I love this part: the slain men were students of a local seminary.

Can we now put to rest the canard that islam is a religion of peace? The perpetrators were studying islam and it would seem to make sense that the seminary would know what is true islam. Reminds me of the Dispatches videos of the British imams who studied in saudi universities and went back to England "radicalized". Um, no; they went back true, blue, died in the wool, honest-to-goodness moslems.

Now if someone in the US State Dept. or the administration would get with the program, we'd be much further along in the GWOT.

Posted by: eve_anne_gelical at February 24, 2007 9:09 AM

These terrorists would get a lot further if they used motorized transport....like a Cowasaki.

If they're going to target innocent herds, they should wear the pantomime cow outfit. Mustafa can be the head and mohammed can be the butt. I'm not sure who would carry the bomb.

Posted by: The Goobs at February 24, 2007 9:10 AM

P.S. For all you folks that think I'm a conspiracy theorist...that I'm too hard on 'corporate america'....check this out.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2007/080207dobbscalls.htm

Posted by: The Goobs at February 24, 2007 9:14 AM

I hope no cattle got killed.

Posted by: Voltaire at February 24, 2007 9:22 AM

Another day more Moslem atrocities and murders. A bicycle blows up. Several dead. Another Moslem day! Molech masquerades as Allah. Maybe our problem is not with Moslems, but with their god, Molech. Our problem is with Molech- Allah himself. What kind of god instructs his followers to murder to establish his name intending to punish for eternity in severe pain those who do not come to him accidentally or willingly? What kind of god requires you to convert when you are visited by his messengers, his loyal living followers, visiting you with bombs, threats of slavery, death, mayhem, rape, and murder to kind of persuade you? What kind of god allows his followers kill you, rape you, threaten you because you do not acknowledge Allah before you die? Kill Allah, so the Moslems can be released from this viper.

Molech masquerades as Allah. He seeks child sacrifice and ritual murder in his name. We must utterly destroy Molech and his temples to win against his war. He is an abomination to what is good. All people of good will and any faith should agree allah must be totally destroyed.

Posted by: David England at February 24, 2007 9:28 AM

These hoist-with-their-own-petard "work accidents" (as the Israelis dryly call them) are inspiriting, but one cannot rely on them.

After all, the Western world is, in a sense,hoist with its own self-inflicted petard: the petard of a debased but unshakesable "tolerance" that, based on the ideas that "everyone wants the same thing" and "all religions are essentially the same" and "we mustn't become like those who hate us" is in danger of, no is already, setting off depth charges everywhere in the sweet, clumsy, inarticulate, and confused Western world.

We too are Hoist By Our Own Petard.

Posted by: Hugh at February 24, 2007 9:53 AM

"What kind of god instructs his followers to murder to establish his name intending to punish for eternity in severe pain those who do not come to him accidentally or willingly? Posted by David England"

A demonic god. One who had so much pride that the said HE would take God's throne. Him and his followers were kicked out and they have, in their anger against God, waged war here on earth by creating false religions - to lead men straight to hell.

You will be transformed to be like the god you worship. All you need to do is look at the evil produced by their false religion/god, to know WHO they are following.

Posted by: The Goobs at February 24, 2007 9:56 AM

Given that they took no apostates or infidels with them, will these three be regarded as martyrs?

Posted by: PMK at February 24, 2007 9:58 AM

"A bicycle does get you there and more....  And there is always the thin edge of danger to keep you alert and comfortably apprehensive.  Dogs become dogs again and snap at your raincoat; potholes become personal."
(Bill Emerson)

When the oil runs dry and the elites take to riding
bicycles, then maybe they'll get a clue?

Posted by: Malinois at February 24, 2007 10:04 AM

Goobs,

You're not a conspiracy theorist. The North American Union is only too true, as we were sold out by our beloved president behind our backs.

http://www.nascocorridor.com/
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=15497
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50451

I couldn't figure out why President Bush would not close the borders after 9/11. Now it makes sense. But what doesn't make sense is that we are over fighting to build a nation in Iraq when we are basically giving ours away right here at home. This is going to benefit the Islamic Revolution of North America, not We The People, who live here.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at February 24, 2007 10:05 AM

"Given that they took no apostates or infidels with them, will these three be regarded as martyrs?

Posted by: PMK "

Yes, technically they died "struggling".

Posted by: arjun.sevak at February 24, 2007 10:07 AM

Isabellathecrusader,

THANK YOU for being aware. The reason I believe that our military is in Iraq is so that these 'corporate elitists' can power their cheap mexican labor factories cheaply. What is more interesting is that at the secret BANFF meeting, representatives from Lockeed Martin, Chevron, Mexico's PEMEX and Suncor Energy were present.

I hate to say it, but I think we have been tricked and I don't think our puppet politicians are clueless.

Regarding Islam and terrorists:

Could they not be 'useful idiots' to chip away at our constitution whilst at the same time, these greedy corporate elitists work to create the North American Union in order to line their pockets?

I have come to believe that Christians were USED to make our past 2 elections 'us and them'. Maybe we are ALL being used to create the One World Order that Bush Sr. talked about in the early 90's.

Forgive me for mentioning this. Maybe everyone would prefer to keep their heads in the sand.....but I'd like to know where our PATRIOTIC Americans are. Who would be the rebels of today? Who would fight the redcoats if we had to today? Unfortunately, I think they are all over in Iraq.

Posted by: The Goobs at February 24, 2007 10:17 AM

What a waste of perfectly good bikes.

Posted by: DCWatson at February 24, 2007 10:20 AM

One thing that Europe had before the EU, was wars. The EU was created supposedly to prevent war AND for economic benefits between the countries.

How would corporate america get the citizens to agree to a North American Union when we are not at war?

Maybe by needing to 'secure the borders' from a common enemy?

Check out the Lou Dobbs CNN interview link that I posted above.

Posted by: The Goobs at February 24, 2007 10:21 AM

Goobs,

I was brought up in a very political family. We used to sit around the dinner table and talk politics all the time. When you are taught to think then accepting the status quo when it doesn't make sense is just not going to happen. Inquiring minds want to know! My mom actually told me about this situtation over a year ago and said that Bush signed this into existence, with no treaty and no hearings before Congress, back in 2001.

Hmmm, 2001. What else was going on that year?

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at February 24, 2007 10:26 AM

The Goobs it will be the Christians of the West, particularly in the US that will save the world from islammist terrorists. the Christians in the past kicked out the muslims through the military, and not with discussions like the democrats want with iran , syria. l dont believe in conspriacies anymore than there is cheese on the moon. look at facts and use your logic, and history.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at February 24, 2007 10:28 AM

Hmmm Looking at this incident I just hope the pakis give a nuclear bomb to the terorrists(which eventually one day they will in all probablity) and they i.e the terrorists bumble it up in similar way like this and prematurely explode it while they are still in pakistan.
Now suddenly I feel cheerful;) at this thought.

Posted by: Indiana_jones at February 24, 2007 10:42 AM

Premature shahidification.

Posted by: Caroline at February 24, 2007 10:46 AM

with thanks to Morgaan Sinclair:

Not one comment about who sent this in?

Posted by: auntbea at February 24, 2007 10:57 AM

I call this proper disposal of jihadists. In place of funerals for innocents, I suggest a big celebration around the scumbag's severed head.

Posted by: Amy Alkon at February 24, 2007 11:11 AM

"Premature shahidification."

Caroline, I love it!!!!

Aunt Bea,

I wanted to thank you for the peace making effort you made the other day on that other thread. I do appreciate you and you were right. Thanks.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at February 24, 2007 11:18 AM

"Shakil said the slain men were students of a local seminary "

.....they were on a class assignment...they failed....it is no secret as to the nature of classes taught by Muslim clerics....just one of the valid reasons not to allow Muslims in your neighborhood...

..Ban Muslim immigration....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at February 24, 2007 11:21 AM

Allahu Akbar!

Posted by: BunrattyBill at February 24, 2007 11:22 AM

What a shame. A terrible, terrible shame. A tragic, terrible, terrible shame they weren't at a leadership meeting of their group.

Posted by: sceptico at February 24, 2007 11:23 AM

Goobs. Yes.

bush & company are not clueless.

-refusing to name the enemy, calling the satanic cult of death the Religion of Peace, ordering brainwashing for federal law enforcement by muslim terror front groups with long histories of muslim terror, increasing the flow of muslim terrorists into our country most notably from the ksa, keeping the border open to illegals and muslim terrorists in a supposed time of war, actively covering up muslim terror incidents of every scale via the fbi/"justice", forcefully creating yet another muslim terror state carved out of Israel - for an imaginary group of people that never existed, etc. etc. etc.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay past time to keep making excuses like failing to connect the dots, lack of interagency communication, lack of intelligence sharing, political correctness, incompetence, antiquated computer systems, and all the other bs.

The only job of the federal government is to protect the nation.

Why are they only doing a poor job of pretending to do that while OUR lives become more and more constricted?

Time to wake up and smell the hummus folks.

Posted by: Arm A. Geddon at February 24, 2007 11:30 AM

Add to the pile the New World Order Globalists from France, Britain, Holland and the rest of the the Infidel nations that should be banding together to dispose of the Islamic plague and you see that the economic fruits of oil derived bonding with Arab Islamist tyrants are put above the defense of our Western ideals of Freedom that the Islamists are trying to stomp out. This is the reason why it is never clear who the enemy really is.

Posted by: Briars at February 24, 2007 12:17 PM

A seminary or theological college is a specialized and often live-in higher education institution for the purpose of instructing students (seminarians) in philosophy, theology, spirituality and the religious life, usually in order to prepare them to become members of the clergy. The English word is taken from the Latin seminarium, translated as seed-bed.
Wikipedia.

Seed Bed, cultivating the trees that will be transplanted around the world and in turn spread the seeds of jihad far and wide. Mulla=Colonel, Islamist Seminary=Jihadist Academy.
By their fruits ye shall know them.

Posted by: tgusa at February 24, 2007 12:43 PM

"The Goobs it will be the Christians of the West, particularly in the US that will save the world from islammist terrorists. the Christians in the past kicked out the muslims through the military, and not with discussions like the democrats want with iran , syria. l dont believe in conspriacies anymore than there is cheese on the moon. look at facts and use your logic, and history.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess"

Hmmmmmmm, so which group of Christians are going to somehow magically kick out the muslims? Maybe we can independently protect ourselves should they show up at our doors, but we are hardly forming a new crusades army.

You can write off facts as conspiracy theories, but then perhaps you would like to also write off Lou Dobbs of CNN

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2007/080207dobbscalls.htm

Or maybe the meeting never took place. Maybe when you do a Google News Search, all the stories are fake?

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=&q=North+American+Union&btnG=Search+News

Go ahead and stick you head in the sand if you wish....write it off as a conspiracy theory - that's exactly what they figure you'll do.

Posted by: The Goobs at February 24, 2007 12:46 PM

Cycling is a very good form of excercise. One gets lots of fresh air, meet people and make friends, and all the while, reduce weight as well.

Posted by: DP111 at February 24, 2007 1:07 PM

Yes DP111, as long as you don't lose your head over it.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at February 24, 2007 1:15 PM

Goobs, et al,

That info is breathtaking! The map of the nasco corridor looks like the invasion by the Soviets depicted in the movie Red Dawn.

Posted by: eve_anne_gelical at February 24, 2007 1:15 PM

The suicide bombers "had links with Sipah-e-Sahaba", a Sunni paramilitary group.

In the recent past:

October 7, 2004: 40 people mass-murdered in twin bomb blasts in Multan, Pakistan. The incident occurred when hundreds of people had gathered to mark the first anniversary of the killing of Sipah-e-Sahaba chief Maulana Azam Tariq outside Islamabad.

A week earlier: a suicide attack inside a crowded Shi'a mosque in the city of Sialkot that killed at least 30 people with as many injured.

(Police sources specifically pointed towards the militant Shi'a organization Sipah-e-Muhammad Pakistan (SMP) as the prime suspect. SMP is an off-shoot of Tehrik-Nifaz-e-Fiqh-e-Jafaria (TNFJ – Movement for the Implementation of Jafaria Religious Law), the main Shi'a politico-religious party. Even as security forces claimed to have arrested one suspected mastermind of the blast, Amjad Shah of SMP in Toba Tek Singh, another source claimed that a different Shia outfit, Pasban-i-Islam (also affiliated to the TNFJ) was responsible for the Multan bomb blast.)

March 2: More than 45 people killed and over 100 wounded in an attack on Shi'a Muslims in Quetta.

[The above are just minuscule tips of the iceberg of internecine violence among Muslims in Pakistan over the years.]

The SSP exercises considerable influence on various political parties, in particular the Jamaat-e-Islami (JeI) and the Jamaat-Ulema-e-Islam (JuI), which tried to negotiate Osama bin Laden's extradition to Pakistan to stand trial for the 9/11 attacks. Moreover the SSP is believed to have strong operational ties with other Deobandi/Wahhabi organizations in Pakistan and also with some international outfits.

In 1996 there was an apparent split in the ranks of the SSP, leading to the emergence of Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (LeJ – "Jhangvi's Army"). [10] The LeJ is led by Riaz Basra (former senior cadre of the SSP), and is widely believed to be the armed wing of the SSP. The LeJ was also outlawed by President Musharraf on August 14, 2001. Despite the manufactured split, the SSP retained its half-disguised moderate political profile and denied engaging in terrorist activities.

Besides the LeJ, the SSP has forged other manufactured – or at least controlled – splinter groups. After Maulana Haq Nawaz Jhangvi's assassination, at least five splinter groups (excluding the LeJ) emerged from the ranks of the SSP. They were Jhangvi Tigers, Al Haq Tigers, Tanzeem ul-Haq, Al Farooq and Al Badr Foundation.

Commentary: Ah, the wonderfully diverse "mosaic" of Islam!

Posted by: remote_control at February 24, 2007 1:28 PM

Guess we will never know if the bomb blew up premature of if a Pakistani intel implant fixed the bombs to detonate early.
Kind of hard to know with the terrorists all dead.

Posted by: Lame Cherry at February 24, 2007 1:36 PM

Eve,

That map is put out by the group that is promoting the building of the super highway. They act like it is the most natural thing to have this frickin' huge roadway blowing right past our border guards. The other disturbing thing that I've read about this highway is that the Chinese will be off loading their goods down in Mexico and no one will check what is in the trucks that bring them up until they get to Kansas City. That sounds like a recipe for disaster to me, in light of the fact that everyday we read here about how the jihadists keep planning this attack and that mass murder. Albeit, they've been pretty stupid so far and seem to get caught a lot. But with our borders wide open, someone is going to get through and some of us are going to get killed. We can help do something about it by contacting Congress and telling them we don't want it. Perhaps if we get the word out and pitch a big enough fit...

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BTW, we can help do something about The Islamic infiltration of our schools and the changing of our traditions and culture by going to this site and voicing our opinions.

http://www.votervoice.net/Core.aspx?AID=704&APP=GAC&IssueID=9480

Our little buddy over at CAIR, Ahmed Bedier, has been causing a lot of mischief down in Hillsborough County, FL, by trying to get the school board to eradicte some Christian and Jewish holidays from the school calendar. WHAT THE HELL IS NEXT? CHRISTMAS & THANKSGIVING???? We need to make our displeasure known because if CAIR gets it's nose under that tent, how long before they do the same in youyr school district?

Someone else posted this on another thread here the other day. I went to the site and sent letters to all the school board members, and it was really easy. Please send these letters and tell everyone you know who cares about freedom to do the same.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at February 24, 2007 1:36 PM

Ah, yes. The old Bicycle O' Doom strikes again.

Yes, technically they died "struggling".

And now they can struggle to remain dead.

"Regarding Islam and terrorists:

Could they not be 'useful idiots' to chip away at our constitution ..."

If our constitution is being chipped away at, be sure to identify the real culprits. Your statement infers that the current administration or our politicians find benefit in doing so. That amounts to a fairly dangerous conspiracy theory. If anyone, it is the democrats who seek to "chip away at our constitution". Gun control, "sensitivity training", hate speech and numerous other liberal causes all represent far greater dangers to our beloved constitution than current republican efforts. It is far wiser to actually blame the Islamists for whatever reductions in the quality of our life or rights. Remember, I'm not at all fond of Bush, but the democrats currently are proving far more destructive to this nation’s constitution.

As to its economy, that’s another matter and this NASCO fiasco is just that. In an age of worrying about which container holds the American Hiroshima, expediting entry of even more shipping containers through a country (Mexico), whose security system is a cobweb compared to our tissue paper, is stupid. Allowing a hyper-corrupt government to manage incoming those shipments is even worse than stupid.

One of my running disputes with Bush has been his total immunity from all conception of conflict of interest. Bush’s subservience to corporate America has been extremely damaging to this country’s long-term goals. His condemnation of internal corporate loans rang rather hollow when precisely the same financial instruments served to build his personal wealth. Cheny’s continued links to Halliburton remain conspicuous, even if there is no actual wrongdoing. Our politicians are supposed to avoid even the appearance of conflict of interest. I will agree that failure to close the borders represents a definite security breach, but it is more a case of cheap labor than intentionally decreasing security for the sake of eroding the constitution.

That said, such an obsessive quest for financial enrichment has obviously played into the hands of our Islamic enemies who can sneak through the porous Southern border. The larger issue remains in bypassing the stranglehold that ILU and dockworkers’ unions have on our ports. I have never been a big fan of unions. Their time has long past and they represent an intentionally and unnecessarily expensive layer of bureaucratic make-work inserted into our labor economy. Union corruption is the stuff of legends and when one considers how much organized crime is driven by the Teamster’s Union alone, that group’s worth becomes even more speculative. Quite simply, corrupt dock unions might just as well admit a nuclear device for the right price as any corrupt Federale in Mexico.

One sector will most certainly benefit from this transportation superhighway, and that is the drug traffickers. The irony is less than amusing when republicans busily sniff after every profit opportunity even though it serves to defeat their precious (and futile) war on drugs.

From the NASCO article:

”A good reason Bush does not want to secure the border with Mexico may be that the administration is trying to create express lanes for Mexican trucks to bring containers with cheap Far East goods into the heart of the U.S., all without the involvement of any U.S. union workers on the docks or in the trucks.”

This statement rings far more true than all else. Careful examination of Bush’s “Pioneers” (i.e., those who make campaign contributions of $100,000 or more), will show that a large number of them (Wal-Mart, Circuit City, The Good Guys, etc.), derive their wealth from use of cheap Chinese labor. Consider Bush's abandonment of the Two Chinas policy. Democratic Taiwan has been thrown over in the name of financial profit. Read the following link for an eye-opening analysis of Bush’s fund raising methods.

(Link: http://www.commoncause.org/site/pp.asp?c=dkLNK1MQIwG&b=196483)

”… we also have watched to see how his big fundraisers - the Pioneers - prospered from their investment in the 2000 campaign. Have the last few years been kind to the Bush fundraisers?

The answer is a resounding "Yes."

Just Watch and see how successful Pioneers have been influencing Bush Administration policies. The profiles included here demonstrate how money in politics works at the highest level of government. In each case, the Pioneer has helped Bush win election and Bush Administration policies have benefited the Pioneer - in many cases, at the expense of the public interest. ”
[Emphasis Added]

Again, Bush and the republicans may not, so much, be destroying our nation’s constitution as they are our economy. Bush’s most egregious efforts have involved eroding the separation of church and state, which remains my single greatest dispute with him. Other than that, blind subservience to corporate America easily serves up clear explanations for much else of his doings.

Remember the old saying;

Do not attribute to conspiracy what can be explained by simple stupidity.

Posted by: Zenster at February 24, 2007 1:44 PM

DUH !

Posted by: aladdinsane57 at February 24, 2007 1:44 PM

Apologies, please delete the "http://" from the link's URL or just follow the one below:

Link: www.commoncause.org/site/pp.asp?c=dkLNK1MQIwG&b=196483

Posted by: Zenster at February 24, 2007 1:51 PM

The really sad thing is they destroyed a perfectly good bicycle.

Posted by: Pelayo at February 24, 2007 2:13 PM

Goobs the idoit alex jones along with islamists beieve that Bush,Cheney caused the terrorists acts of 9-11, so you want to believe in that trash, go ahead.
But l will stick to facts and logic, and understand humans cannot plan that far ahead and get things done the way they would like it to happen.(l believe in Murphy's law) or perhaps it was Mossad who took the Twin Towers down?
and attacks on the US corporations, is an attack on
our way of life, that is democracy and capitilism. muslims do not want to have either Democracy or capitilism, and want the world to live back in the stone age, bowing five times a day to that black rock. so go ahead and attack Western institutions, than your actions mirror those islamists.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at February 24, 2007 2:28 PM

Off topic, but if you get a chance check out Hirsi Ali's appearance on Bill Maher last night. Have to give her credit, an airhead actor and dimwit politician tried to make the case of moderate muslims and peaceful coexistance with Christians and she would not let them get away with it. And she did it in a way that didn't make it appear that she had an arrogant Christian agenda either.

It's just nice to see someone else getting air time and making many of the points that have been made here for years.

Posted by: amana39 at February 24, 2007 2:49 PM

"bomb accidentally exploded"

There are no accidents.

Posted by: champ at February 24, 2007 3:04 PM

Pelayo -- Ha Ha!

Not to worry, the bike is resting in peace, but I seriously doubt that the jihadists are.

Posted by: champ at February 24, 2007 3:06 PM

Guess that one could be summed up by :

"Inshallah"

Idiots...

Posted by: payingattention at February 24, 2007 3:07 PM

Good riddance!!!

Posted by: scrualla at February 24, 2007 3:46 PM

Caroline:

Congratulations to ' Premature Shahidification'- that's the best one for a while!

I changed the headline here:

http://sheikyermami.com/2007/02/24/they-hit-a-road-bump-no-virgins/

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at February 24, 2007 3:46 PM

Oh, those pesky potholes. They're so annoying. ... I hope everybody in Pakistan hears that the guy's head got blown a hundred yards and landed in a field. Now, will Pakistan charge the imams of this "seminary" with conspiracy to commit mass murder and give them the death sentence or not?

Posted by: Morgaan Sinclair at February 24, 2007 3:48 PM

Robert Spencer's inconsistency is EXPOSED:

http://muslim-responses.com/Robert_Spencers_Inconsistency/Robert_Spencers_Inconsistency_

he calls for muslims to remove violence from our religion, yet what about disgusting verses from his own un-holy bible? and as they say, incosistency is a SIGN OF A FAILED ARGUMENT. this is why robert isnt even taken seriously by muslims, the only ppl who take him seriously are haters like you, and that isnt very shocking or suprising now is it?

Posted by: SamiZ at February 24, 2007 4:07 PM

What is sorely needed is a device that detects hidden explosives AND is capable of detonating them on command.

Posted by: unicorns62000 at February 24, 2007 4:32 PM

SamiZ --

I think you need to set the bible aside for a moment and remember what Christianity is based upon: the life and teachings of Jesus Christ. The passages in question on the website you've provided are from the Old Testament, and the life of Jesus Christ can be found in the New Testament.

So a better question to ask yourself, other than the ones raised on the website you've posted, is who was Jesus Christ and what was His message -- vs -- who was Mohammad and what was his message.

There are striking differences between these two men -- and that is where your focus should lie. Jesus Christ preached love and forgiveness, and never killed anyone with his bare hands, unlike Mohammad, who murdered between 600 and 900 people singlehandedly.

I could list many more "differences" between Christ and Mohammad, but this is a good place to start.

Posted by: champ at February 24, 2007 4:36 PM

P.S. Why don't you find statements made by Jesus Christ that are up for question so that we can make this a fair argument, because all that website quotes are passages that have nothing to do with Jesus or anything He ever said. And wasn't the entire Koran written by Mohammad's followers? Not just a portion of the Koran was written by his followers, but the entire Koran!

Only PART of the bible was written by the followers of Jesus Christ.

Posted by: champ at February 24, 2007 5:08 PM

SamiZ, our dear Mohammedan visitor, be assured that we, the people on this site are not random haters but concerned and confused and bewildered people of goodwill seeking logical explanations with predictive value and a sound hypothesis to explain the torrent of similar events occurring globally. The naive and the uninformed do not satisfy our urges for the vestiges of truth.

So dear, SamiZ, rest assured, you can take your Islamic nonsense elsewhere. If you do indeed want a chance in hell at defeating rational arguments here, may I suggest a copy of Aristotle's Rhetoric? But I fear it would mangle your further mangled mind and your motorbike might end up alone.

Posted by: Tushar Saxena at February 24, 2007 5:11 PM

Tushar Saxena, you use some pretty big multisyllable words and some complex reasoning. I don't think SamiZ will understand any of it.

Posted by: Pelayo at February 24, 2007 5:22 PM

"""Goobs the idoit alex jones along with islamists beieve that Bush,Cheney caused the terrorists acts of 9-11, so you want to believe in that trash, go ahead."""

ZenaWarrierPrincess,

I never suggested that I believe that 911 was a Bush- Cheney event. I believe that it was done by terrorists. So I AM sticking to 'facts and logic'. I am also NOT anti-Semitic and do not believe Mossad took down the towers. Your suggestion that I ever suggested that is an insult.

"our way of life, that is democracy and capitilism. muslims do not want to have either Democracy or capitilism, and want the world to live back in the stone age, bowing five times a day to that black rock"

Muslims are backwards in their thinking and I do not wish to live in Saudi Arabia or any other muslim country.

I DO think that our nation has become TOO capitalist - in that we have age-discrimination, illegal immigrants getting welfare, open borders, downplay of islam/terrorism, etc. Profit at the expense of the American worker.

Zena, What I dislike most is corporate GREED. The United States is the most productive nation - but our workers are worked too death. How many weeks holiday do you get? How long do you work to get it? How many hours a week do you work? Why are factories moving to Mexico - putting American workers in the unemployment line? Why are corporate elites working so hard to get open borders?

Why are young AMERICANS unable to find employment - whilst illegals are working under the table or with false social security numbers? Why do insurance companies profit whilst workers cannot afford to get coverage or when they get sick, they can't get the insurance to pay?

Did you know that the French are the second most productive nation and they get the MOST holidays and work the shortest work weeks in all of Europe? They have national health and they have an excellent school system. Why isn't our nation doing more for its citizens? Are you at ALL worried about North American Union? I sure as hell am!

"""so go ahead and attack Western institutions, than your actions mirror those islamists."""

I am a PATRIOT- so my actions do NOT mirror terrorists. I simply want my country to hold tight to the principles that it once had! To be nationalist NOT globalist. To care for its citizens. NOT to join a one world order.

I certainly do not want my country taken over by corporate elitists!

Posted by: The Goobs at February 24, 2007 5:53 PM

I can just imagine them explaining it to Allah: "our bomb blew up out of context, but please give us the virgins anyway".

Posted by: Vera at February 24, 2007 5:53 PM

Goobs my good sir what corporate greed? In business you make profit or you go under. As far as componays leaving America they have been for the last 30 years. As far as aid to non workers goes, a lot of people that are Americans will not work period. I'm self employed, and I can't find good help. And as far as old mo goes, he just want's to rule all.

Posted by: AMartinez at February 24, 2007 6:02 PM

I hear ya Goobs! We live in Southern California, and illegals are on every street corner. I too am worried about a "North American Union"...no thank you!

Posted by: champ at February 24, 2007 6:14 PM

So we have a new islamotard posting his attempt at discrediting Mr. Spencer huh? It makes me feel stupid even responding to their BS but here goes. The argument, stop the violence, quit killing people please… well uh what about those words in the Bible what are you going to do about that? What verses in the Bible are you sighting as those that are causing all the Christian violence?...well uh those ones you know those un holy ones. Please, what verses are you talking about specifically?...well uh you are just a American Zionist Hitler, yeah uh uh Zionist American Hitler that’s it. Ok so you don’t have any verses to site, right?... well uh you are insulting me yu think just because I come here with idiot talking points I stupid, I come there and blow yer aes up you wait.
Why don’t these guys get on their Magic Horse and fly away?

Posted by: tgusa at February 24, 2007 6:19 PM

tgusa -- the islamotard provided a website in his post which sites chapter and verse on the "offending" passages. His argument is beyond weak, because there is no comparison between his false prophet, Mo, and Jesus Christ. None!

It's like comparing sweet apple pie to a pile a crap -- which would you rather chow down.

Posted by: champ at February 24, 2007 6:30 PM

Glad some agree with me.

BTW AMartinez, I too am self-employed and I believe in paying my employees well and looking after them. In return, they are loyal. There have always been bad workers and good workers. Those who work hard and those who are lazy.

Business IS about profit, but why are European companies profiting so well, when they look after their workers better, pay better, AND contribute to a National Health Plan? Why is it that when I ran a company in Europe, I was able to afford to pay my employees for 5 weeks vacation AND a hefty retirement plan?

Business is about profit, but there is a difference between being profitable and being greedy. How much profit is enough? Is a huge profit okay if your workers are barely getting by?

I guess what our corporations are lacking is morals and conscience. Gone are the days when employers CARED about the people that MADE them profitable. Where is THEIR loyalty to their workers?

Posted by: The Goobs at February 24, 2007 6:31 PM

"I DO think that our nation has become TOO capitalist - in that we have age-discrimination, illegal immigrants getting welfare, open borders, downplay of islam/terrorism, etc."

Things like "age-discrimination, illegal immigrants getting welfare, open borders, downplay of islam/terrorism", all have exactly nothing to do with capitalism. Please read "Capitalism the Unknown Ideal" by Ayn Rand, before you continue to spout off about it. Lack of ethics, corruption, poor governance, selective de-emphasis of law enforcement and Political Correctness are all much more to blame for the societal ills you cite than Capitalism will ever be.

Capitalism is the only socio-economic system that appropriately telescopes between the individual and society. All other systems are some form of socialism, communism, fascism or totalitarianism. Even America does not operate with a purely capitalistic system. It is more accurately, a mixed economy, exhibiting some socialistic aspects, such as, Social Security, welfare and other non-capitalistic features.

You should thank goodness we do live in a capitalistic system. Just because unethical people take advantage of political power, wealth, position or unfair criminal enterprise is absolutely no reason to blame capitalism. Please be more careful in what you choose to blame for society's ills. America would not be half the country it is without a capitalistic free market economy.

Posted by: Zenster at February 24, 2007 6:32 PM

Zenster, I am not against capitalism. I am against corporate greed.

Posted by: The Goobs at February 24, 2007 6:34 PM

Age discrimination- a way NOT to pay a more expensive wage and not to have possible health issues on your hands that come with age.

Illegal Immigration - a way not to pay minimum wage or a way to avoid paying taxes - CHEAP LABOR

Illegal immigrants getting welfare - well, you can't be FOR them crossing the border and then NOT provide for them when they get here. It's not our corporations paying the tab...it's the citizens that are paying the bill in higher taxes and higher insurance premiums.

Downplay of terrorism - well, who OWNS the media?

Posted by: The Goobs at February 24, 2007 6:37 PM

And they probably weren't even wearing their helmets.

Now what?

Can we expect ... bicycle rage?

Posted by: LoneRanger at February 24, 2007 6:39 PM

Only 36 virgins each for the 3 "militant"-failures?

Posted by: TINBH at February 24, 2007 6:39 PM

he calls for muslims to remove violence from our religion, yet what about disgusting verses from his own un-holy bible? --Posted by SamiZ

Every holy book has violent, "disgusting" passages in it. The difference is that Muslims still feel it is their divine obligation to act upon theirs, while most Christians and Jews don't. Islam today is in the stage of barbarism and intolerance that Christianity was during the European Medieval period, if not worse in some ways. And Islam will probably never have something resembling the Reformation or Enlightenment that Christianity finally had because anyone within Islam who advocates any kind of change is threatened with death/denounced as a heretic/imprisoned (see the story about the young Egyptian blogger sentenced to four years in prison recently for speaking against violence encouraged in the Quran, as a perfect example). So you're wrong in saying it's inconsistent to only point out the violent passages in the Quran; those are the ones that are most relevant and threatening in today's world, and causing the most violence; not anything in the Bible or Torah.

Posted by: staff_of_magius at February 24, 2007 6:41 PM

Hey, some one stole my bicycle..........

Posted by: AMartinez at February 24, 2007 6:42 PM

Zenster...seen this?

http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2007/02/23/01367.html

I am a Patriot and this makes me spitting mad!

Posted by: The Goobs at February 24, 2007 6:43 PM

It just goes to show that Islam is too premature to be a controlling government, their military expertise has short-comings, with premature detonations. Maybe they were working for their intelligence community in delivering explosives, and hit a pot-hole of bad luck ? Oh well, they'll just have to knock-up some more little girls to rebuild their military ?

Posted by: Jeff at February 24, 2007 7:22 PM

What a waste of a perfectly good bicycle...

Posted by: angryeagle at February 24, 2007 7:49 PM

Premature Detonation

Y'all think Dr. Ruth could help?

Posted by: Pelayo at February 24, 2007 7:51 PM

champ,
Weak? There are ZERO Christians committing violence because of those verses. As a matter of fact how many Christians have even heard those specific verses? Christians like to site John 3:16 but I have never heard them site Zephaniah have you? I think he is just angry about the wild animals settling there and everyone passing by laughing at him.

Posted by: tgusa at February 24, 2007 7:53 PM

Goobs, I sympathize with your PoV. However, I do believe you have fallen into a trap of following the wrong logical trail. The reason corporations (any private player infact) can and do employ illegal immigrants is because they can pay them dirt cheap. Now the problem is not 'greed'. The market and the consumer decides when to put who out of business. The problem is the MINIMUM WAGE LAW. Scrapping the minimum wage law scraps ANY incentive whatsoever to hire illegal aliens. And if this solution horrifies you, I suggest you read Capitalism and Freedom by Milton Friedman. Think about it. The whole reason the market works is because power is distributed among many and the common citizen is 'free to choose' in other words vote with his/her feet.
Hence, when corporations get tax breaks and politician-favored deals this is not the working of a free market. It is interventionism by the government.

Posted by: Tushar Saxena at February 24, 2007 7:56 PM

Capitalism and Freedom by Milton Friedman, Tushar Saxena you are correct in recommending this book.
Muslims like their brothers the communist facists want to control your everyday life, and freedom, democracy with the engine of Capitalism runs against their ideology.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at February 24, 2007 8:18 PM

"Weak?"

Correction! "Beyond weak" is what I said, Mr. Grumpy. And thanks for focusing on a small oversight on my part.

Fine, tgusa, you are right, and I am wrong; but if you had bothered reading my other posts to our islamic foe, then you would have realized that I'm ON YOUR SIDE.

Lets fight the enemy instead of nit-picking each other. OK.

Posted by: champ at February 24, 2007 8:51 PM

The really sad thing is they destroyed a perfectly good bicycle.
Posted by: Pelayo at February 24, 2007 02:13 PM
+++++++++++++

one bicycle - three muslim terrorists.....fair trade...........

i have ten or fifteen old bicycles that I will be more than happy to dedicate to the cause.....

The Texican.

Posted by: The Texican at February 24, 2007 8:57 PM

Jihadists killed when their bomb explodes prematurely
Whoops. "Biking militants die when bomb explodes prematurely,"

What a beautiful thing! I do hope this portends a trend!!!

Yes allahu akbar all the way on this deal.

Posted by: BB at February 24, 2007 9:04 PM

Texican
I visited India in 1995.
In India ,the kind of bicycles used in rural areas usually costs around 30$ those days and I am sure same must be cost in Pakistan . Taking inflation into consideration it must be around 60$ nowadays per bike.
Well I am willing to donate 100 new bikes ,if 1 bicycle can get 3 Muslims terrorists killed.
Howzthat;)

Posted by: Indiana_jones at February 24, 2007 9:07 PM

I wasn’t knit picking you. Don’t be so sensitive.
“Correction! "Beyond weak" is what I said, Mr. Grumpy. And thanks for focusing on a small oversight on my part.”
Make up your mind, do you want to call each other names and point out each others oversights or not?

Posted by: tgusa at February 24, 2007 9:11 PM

"Hence, when corporations get tax breaks and politician-favored deals this is not the working of a free market. It is interventionism by the government."

Thank you for posting on this topic, Tushar Saxena. The above is absolutely correct and is a significant part of our economic woes today.

I will also venture that a "good old boy" network has arisen within the ranks of corporate leadership (akin to the robber barons of old), to the point where massive overcompensation of CEOs has been downplayed instead of highlighted. The bloated salaries of Fortune 500 executives are crippling the performance of many other companies that do business with these market leaders.

In order to meet Wall Street demands fro profitability, newly hired CEOs immediately lay off well-paid senior workers who have the most accumulated skill. Once a company recovers, its staff is unprepared to manufacture goods because the most productive employees have been stripped out of it in a cost saving measure. CEOs must have their options and bonuses tied to a company's five-year profit goals. The golden handshakes and multi-million dollar executive parachutes are bleeding our economy white. The repercussions of CEOs making hundreds of times the salary of an average worker can only have a negative effect on the free market. It is turning industrial America (what's left of it), into a closed shop where very few truly have any real opportunity. This most definitely does not serve the public interest or even that of a properly free market.

The Goobs, thank you for bringing the Lou Dobbs article to my attention. Your other links were of interest as well. Again, this has nothing to do with capitalism and everything to do with eliteism. Curiously enough, both left and right wing parties suffer from this vile self-delusion. Rest assured that I shall be following this container shipment corridor issue with great concern. Our nation has zero need to ties its fortune to those of socialist Canada nor hyper-corrupt Mexico. Only those with the wealth and power to transcend such legal limitations as borders and currency conversion rates stand to profit from that sort of flawed economic amalgam. Please know that it infuriates me as well. I only ask that you target your arrows more accurately against filthy corporate greed (a very deserving target), and not capitalism.

If you really want to get your blood boiling, feel free to check out the link below concerning the huge Ponzi scam involving mountains of Chinese shipping containers that are being stranded on America's shores.

(Link: http://honestthings.blogspot.com/2006/10/great-container-smuggle.html)

Posted by: Zenster at February 24, 2007 9:22 PM

Not.

Posted by: champ at February 24, 2007 10:05 PM

Zenster; I enjoy your posts but would like to make an O/T comment on the shipping containers story.

"...But I'm absolutely certain that $2500 cost for a shipping container can't possibly be right. It's worth lots more than that..."

Look on eBay. You can buy shipping containers for $1,600; I think his theory is a little wet. The containers are a bargain though. People design houses out of them. If you put one in your backyard, you can get your wife’s junk out of the house without getting in trouble for throwing it out (her stuff stays dry).

Posted by: pez at February 24, 2007 10:26 PM

Is this new halal slaughter? I loooove it!!

Posted by: Kemaste at February 24, 2007 10:45 PM

"Look on eBay. You can buy shipping containers for $1,600 ... The containers are a bargain though."

Yes, pez, that is because they are worth far more than the $1,600 you mention, just as the blog author states. Can you build one, or even 100 for that sort of price, including labor, materials and overhead? In my career, I've purchased well over $1,000,000 worth of materials, goods and services, including machine shop, welding and fabrication services. There is no way I'd quote out a hermetically sealed steel container of that size for anything less than $5,000 in 500 lot quantities. Just because you can buy the stranded containers stateside used for $1,600 means absolutely nothing.

Posted by: Zenster at February 24, 2007 11:30 PM

BOMBUSINTERRUPUTUS or PREMATURE BOMBULATION

Posted by: guide inside at February 25, 2007 12:22 AM

I guess they wont be getting their seminary degree unless awarded posthumously and honors bestowed. They will get an "A" in Bomb 101 and an "F" in Bomb Delivery 101.

Post graduate work with the 72 babes to follow.

I said on an earlier post that we post these sarcastic posts because our "Can you believe this crap" meter just goes off the charts!

Posted by: guide inside at February 25, 2007 12:32 AM

Standing corrected after re-reading the article, not feeling too much pity for the banks though. I was curious: a 20ft container weighs 4500 lb empty and scrap iron goes for ~$250/ton. So if China has ‘donated’ 18 million of them, that works out to a ten-billion dollar payday. Twice that if they sell the containers to chumps like me. Somebody is having a very merry Christmas. A bargain nonetheless.

Thanks for the link…

Posted by: pez at February 25, 2007 12:35 AM

Nice story. Shows that there is a God after all and his name isn't allah.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at February 25, 2007 12:55 AM

"Thanks for the link…"

You are most welcome. Fear not, we all know that "Dere's sumting awfwy scwooowy going on awound here. Huh huh huh huh huh."

Posted by: Zenster at February 25, 2007 1:13 AM

This, presumably, is the same "Mohammed Shakil, a police inspector at the scene..." who, as usual in Pakistan, is deeply implicated in the torturing of suspects and the accepting of quite colossal bribes. The same "Mohammed Shakil" who, in 1995, stated that all Hindus should be annihilated and that no Hindu would survive longer than six hours in his custody. This, presumably, is the same "Mohammed Shakil" who, in 1999, along with "Salman Farooqui" was deeply implicated in the torturing of suspects to death.

This is the same Pakistani Police Inspector who was accused, and, I have to say, acquitted, of the rape of sixteen women and accused, and, I have to say, acquitted, of accepting bribes amounting to almost three million US dollars. The same "Mohammed Shakil" who today, on a Pakistani policeman's salary, lives in a house worth one million US dollars and sends his sons and daughters to private schools.

Of course the cattle market must have been the target. Anything else could not posibly be true - or, perhaps, anything else would have disturbet "Shakil's" private little empire if it had to be investigated. Really, you can have no idea just how corrupt Pakistan actually is!

Nice work if you can get it, though!

Dominic.

Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at February 25, 2007 1:41 AM

SamiZ/

From the website you quoted - "So Mr.Spencer can you please explain these filthy passages found in your un-holy book which you call holy?"

One can easily explain these passages: they are from our Old Testament which has been fulfilled. Jesus, the Christ, has given us a New Testament of love and forgiveness- something which you mawzlems don't have.

The passages from the Bible which you referenced on the website you linked to are part of the history of us but they are not part of the present of us. We Christians know them to be historic and of their time and place - they do not guide us today for they are merely history.

Time after time I, and others, see that you mawzlems simply don't, or, more likely, can't understand the love and compassion of God as revealed through the Son of God, Our Lord, Jesus Christ and how He fulfilled the Old Testament and gave us the New Testament by which we live today. You have some sort of insane idea that if you quote the Old Testament at us then we will be forced to agree with you - how stupid you are.

The Old Testament is precisely that - the OLD Testament: a record, a diary, of where God's faithful once were. It is not a guide to where we are now - that guide is provided by the New Testament, let me repeat that, the NEW Testament.

Please get that through your thick, sick and stupid mawzlem head. If you choose to argue with us on this site you will need to be academically a great deal more rigorous than the post which you indulged in (above).

Dominic.

Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at February 25, 2007 2:06 AM

Jihadists killed when their bomb explodes prematurely

Almighty Allah Indeed Knows Best.

Posted by: yadayada at February 25, 2007 2:22 AM

bicyclists blown to bits with a big boom. innocent people all around and not a one did die. just the ones who pedalled their poison. global warming enthusiasts no doubt. did not use any oil as they got foiled. maybe the flatulence of the cattle rattled the sweet young jihadists and they blew a tire. and now the remains in bits and pieces are just too tired to get rolling again towards their mission. bring on the sustained shriek against the madness manipulations to produce sadness among the innocent and gladness amongst the twisted vermin human garbage. the opening is there for the good guys to lead the charge. maybe even light the charge before they light it. fight the darkness with light. shine the light on the darkness. make the beasts cave in and make room for the cows to roam and fart in peace. make those busted bicyclists become the rolling models for the loonytunes who want to make noise and pierce the night with grieving children. please somebody write an anthem to the poor sweet jihadis who blew a tire when the cattle's flatulence rattled them and they went boom with plenty of room for the innocence to go about their day of work love and play and praying for the light at the end of the tunnel.

Posted by: crumbinalfighter at February 25, 2007 2:48 AM

I hope a cow took a dump on the severed head.

Posted by: sel96 at February 25, 2007 6:56 AM

What blows around will eventually blow back around taking the perpetrators with it (as has happened here)in pieces.

Islam IS, after all, pieces.

Posted by: pythagoras at February 26, 2007 3:21 PM

Seek ye the LORD, ll ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness, it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD's anger. (Zephaniah 2:3, AV).

There, tgusa. A Christian has cited Zephaniah on the web. Please note that the word is "cite", not "sight" or "site". "Sight" is the faculty of seeing; "site" is a place; and "cite" is to quote or call attention to.

Posted by: Kepha at February 26, 2007 7:06 PM