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February 25, 2007

Muslim insurgency stokes fear in southern Thailand

From the International Herald Tribune:

PATTANI, Thailand: Some are already calling it war, a brutal Muslim separatist insurgency in southern Thailand that has taken as many as 2,000 lives in three years, with almost daily bombings, drive-by shootings, arson and beheadings.

It is a conflict the government admits it is losing. A harsh crackdown and martial law in recent years seem only to have fueled the insurgency, generating fear and anger and undermining moderate Muslim voices.

A new policy of conciliation pursued by Thailand's junta since it took power in a coup five months ago has been met by increased violence, including a barrage of 28 coordinated bombings in the south that killed or injured about 60 people a week ago.

"The momentum of violence is now beyond the control of government policy," said Srisompob Jitpiromsri, a political scientist at Prince of Songkhla University here.

[...]

"Buddhist monks have been hacked to death, clubbed to death, bombed and burned to death," said Sunai Phasuk, a political analyst with the Human Rights Watch monitoring group. "This has never happened before. This is a new aspect of violence in the south."

Some remote areas in the south have become, in effect, no-go zones for the police or military, according to Francesca Lawe-Davies, an analyst with the International Crisis Group.

Exactly the sort of thing happening in the major metropolitan centers of Western Europe.

"It appears in the last year or so that insurgent groups are actually starting to control territory in a more conventional sense," she said.

Some Buddhist and Muslim villages have begun sealing themselves off from one another. People say that old friendships and patterns of cooperation are being undermined by mistrust.

In a report published last month, Zachary Abuza, the author of "Militant Islam in Southeast Asia," said that entire Buddhist communities have fled in a "de facto ethnic cleansing."

"The social fabric of the south has been irreparably damaged," he said.

[...]

"In the local communities in the red zones, it already is a war situation," Srisompob said. "It is different now from last year, from the last two years."

About 1.3 million ethnic-Malay Muslims form a majority in Thailand's three southernmost provinces of Yala, Narathiwat and Pattani, accounting for a tiny percentage of Thailand's overwhelmingly Buddhist population of 65 million.

The Muslims have complained of discrimination and attempts at forced assimilation since Thailand annexed the former Sultanate of Pattani a century ago. Armed insurgencies have risen and subsided over the past four decades, but the government may now be facing its most dangerous challenge.

"What is new about the current conflict is the level and degree of violence, the Islamist agenda of the insurgents, and their unprecedented degree of cooperation and coordination," Abuza said.

"The level of violence in Thailand's south has never been higher," he said. "Nor has it been more brutal."

He said there had been more than 24 beheadings in the past three years and as many as 60 attempted beheadings.

Human Rights Watch counted more than 6,000 violent incidents over the past three years. It said that more than 60 teachers and 10 students had been killed and 110 schools — the most visible signs of central government authority in many places — had been set ablaze.

The insurgency is all the more difficult to combat because it does not show its face. Unlike similar movements around the world, this one has not set out its demands or published a manifesto. It is a collection of violent groups without an identifiable central leadership.

"We are fighting a ghost," said Chidchanok Rahimmula, a lecturer in security at Prince of Songkhla University.

The new policy of conciliation was put in place by Prime Minister Surayud Chulanont, a Muslim, who took power after Thaksin Shinawatra was ousted as prime minister in a coup in September.

Surayud apologized for the harsh policies his predecessor implemented during his six years in office, promised to investigate abuses and restructured the military command for the south.

People in rural areas say that soldiers and police officers have become less aggressive and are attempting to reach out by attending local fairs and holding dialogues.

Last week, Surayud conceded that none of this was working. "We can't see the results in three to four months because the painful feelings of southern people in the past four to five years run deep," he said. "This is not easy to cure."

Indeed, the insurgency has responded by stepping up its violence, in an apparent effort to block any peace process. There has been no serious reply to Surayud's offer of negotiations.

People who live here, both in the villages and urban areas, say they have never been so frightened.

Posted by Greg at February 25, 2007 11:21 AM
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Ahhhhh, the blessings of islam. The religion of peace, the One True Way.

Posted by: Arm A. Geddon [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 25, 2007 12:18 PM

....the Muslims will tell you...Muslim violence is being taken out of context...the Muslim violence is attributable to only a minority of Muslims....."with almost daily bombings, drive-by shootings, arson and beheadings."...their actions speak loudly......and Thailand is not the only country where Muslims behave in this manner...

...Ban Muslim Immigration now...

Posted by: exsgtbrown [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 25, 2007 12:28 PM

Buddhist monks have been hacked to death, clubbed to death, bombed and burned to death.

All's fair in love and war:

The battle cry of the Companions of Mohammed that night was: "Kill! Kill! Kill!"
--- The History of al-Tabari 8:141

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 25, 2007 1:02 PM

As in Kosovo - a local concentration of Muslims ethnically cleanses itself of non-Muslims and even of moderate Muslims and creates a gangster state. The face of the world will soon be pocked with these syphillitic, oozing chancre sores called 'states'.

There was a culture of Buddhists and Muslims living side by side - a more easygoing 'modified' Islam with admixtures of pre-Islamic elements. When REAL Islam is revived and enforced, Quranic Islam, TRUE Islam.... Islam as Muhammed created it.... then life becomes full of death and fear and hate and evil.

What the hell kind of religion is this that when people get 'religious' it is so vile?

Posted by: poetcomic1 [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 25, 2007 1:06 PM

Are there more countries being divided by Islam or bringing more divisions to society and separtist behaviour? Is an Islamic Africa better than a Christian or Democratic Africa?
Let you decide.

Posted by: jesusisthelamb [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 25, 2007 1:13 PM

Are there more countries being divided by Islam or bringing more divisions to society and separtist behaviour? Is an Islamic Africa better than a Christian or Democratic Africa?
Let you decide.

Posted by: jesusisthelamb [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 25, 2007 1:13 PM

would like to know by people here what's the most practical way to go.

Engage in a war with southern separatists (like there is one in chechenia) or give it up and lock borders?

since the demented opinion makers in the west are by default against military action even when it's justified, I'd say the second, make thailand a muslim free zone. Start from there, they can still do it, they are less politically correct.

Posted by: StillFedUpAgain [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 25, 2007 1:14 PM

yet more evidence that the Religion of the Anti-Christ needs to be outlawed world-wide and the proponents of such need to be eliminated. Period.

Posted by: angryeagle [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 25, 2007 2:15 PM

Ban the Qur'an....

Ban Muslim Immigration....

Ban Mosque building.....

Ban Islam......

Be prepared to fight to the death. Islam is already attacking....

Posted by: exsgtbrown [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 25, 2007 2:29 PM

stop the hate.

Look at the reasons driving muslim greivances across the globe. They are under siege in most of places.

Posted by: xasan Maxamed [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 25, 2007 2:29 PM

TROLL ALERT!!!

"Look at the reasons driving muslim greivances across the globe. "

the existence of non-muslims

"They are under siege in most of places."

saudi arabia is 100% muslim, they are not under siege, however non-muslims are treated like slaves

Maldives too

when muslims make up 40% of population they are not anymore under siege, on the contrary they drive everybody else out of the country with intimidation, harassment, murder.

You selected the wrong place to troll

Posted by: StillFedUpAgain [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 25, 2007 2:42 PM

About 1.3 million ethnic-Malay Muslims form a majority in Thailand's three southernmost provinces of Yala, Narathiwat and Pattani, accounting for a tiny percentage of Thailand's overwhelmingly Buddhist population of 65 million.

I hope the rest of the world is taking note at how much instability can be caused by a seemingly "tiny percentage" (about 2% in this case) of Muslims within a non-Muslim country. How long until something like this happens in France or other European countries with even larger percentages of Muslims who decide to rise up due to "discrimination and attempts at forced assimilation"?

Posted by: staff_of_magius [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 25, 2007 2:58 PM

"The insurgency is all the more difficult to combat because it does not show its face. Unlike similar movements around the world, this one has not set out its demands or published a manifesto. It is a collection of violent groups without an identifiable central leadership.

"We are fighting a ghost," said Chidchanok Rahimmula, a lecturer in security at Prince of Songkhla University."

No manifesto? Pardon me?

The Quran and the Hadith...let's start there. Maybe you should crack those books open and discover that these crazed killers are simply following the words of their "prophet" and quoting the manifesto as Jihadists have done for centuries. Why is this so hard to grasp and admit? The Jihadists seem to make no secret of it as they slaughter people.

Fighting a ghost?

Yes, Chidchanok, you are. The ghost of probably the most intollerant mass-murder, slaver, rapist, pedophile, and tyrant in history. At least, that's what the books of the manifesto says he was.

What part don't you get?

What part won't the rest of the world get watching yet another example of Islam reaching "critical mass"?

Posted by: Abraham_Lincoln [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 25, 2007 3:15 PM

A little more info on the Salt Lake City jihad
http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/2726

Posted by: Carolyn2 [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 25, 2007 3:26 PM

Troll sez:

"Look at the reasons driving muslim grievances across the globe."

Okay, lets look:

India and the Sudan and Algeria and Afghanistan and New York and Pakistan and Israel and Russia and Chechnya and the Philippines and Indonesia and Nigeria and England and Thailand and Spain and Egypt and Bangladesh and Saudi Arabia and Ingushetia and Dagestan and Turkey and Kabardino-Balkaria and Morocco and Yemen and Lebanon and France and Uzbekistan and Gaza and Tunisia and Kosovo and Bosnia and Mauritania and Kenya and Eritrea and Syria and Somalia and California and Argentina and Kuwait and Virginia and Ethiopia and Iran and Jordan and United Arab Emirates and Louisiana and Texas and Tanzania and Germany and Australia and Pennsylvania and Belgium and Denmark and East Timor and Qatar and Maryland and Tajikistan and the Netherlands and Scotland and Chad and Canada and China and...

...and pretty much wherever Muslims believe their religion tells them to:

"Fight those who do not believe in Allah, ... nor follow
the religion of truth... until they pay the tax in acknowledgment
of superiority and they are in a state of subjection."
Qur'an, Sura 9:29

Posted by: sheik yer'mami [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 25, 2007 3:38 PM

And to think that radical Muslims were only out to get the US and its Western allies. Hmmmmm, guess we need to re-think that one, don't we? My only question is how long will it be until we see this very type of violence in the US? I hope it never happens obviously.

Posted by: Adam_Schwartz [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 25, 2007 3:43 PM

Thai jihad:

'Lebensraum' for the ummah:

http://sheikyermami.com/2007/02/19/my-heart-goes-out-to-thailand-rop-strikes-again/

http://www.irrawaddy.org/aviewer.asp?a=5021&z=153

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/008353.php

http://jamestown.org/terrorism/news/article.php?articleid=2369795&printthis=1


http://sheikyermami.com/2007/01/27/thai-jihad-continues/

Posted by: sheik yer'mami [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 25, 2007 3:46 PM

Muslim ‘critical mass’:

Percentage; Symptoms; Example
0.0001% ; Sheepish Behavior; Wyoming
1%; Whine, complain, random violence; US
3%; Threats, organized acts of violence; UK, Thailand
10%; Claim territory, sustained violence; France
33%; Victory Assured per 8:66*; Local Neighborhoods
50%; Assassinate Opposition; Lebanon
Majority; Cleanse population; Turkey, Bethlehem

* 8:66 Now hath Allah lightened your burden, for He knoweth that there is weakness in you. So if there be of you a steadfast hundred they shall overcome two hundred, and if there be of you a thousand (steadfast) they shall overcome two thousand by permission of Allah. Allah is with the steadfast.

Western ‘critical mass’:

A man’s right to swing his arms ends where my nose begins. I think I just saw a fast neutron. Call Charles Martel.

Posted by: pez [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 25, 2007 3:46 PM

xasan Maxamed,

By your own words Muslims are under siege in most places. So, what about the places where they are not under siege? Please share with us which places those are.

Is your argument that those places where Muslims aren't under siege and still commit barbarous acts a small minority compared to where they are under siege, so as not to represent a real threat? Can you please elaborate?

Posted by: deesine [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 25, 2007 4:07 PM

From the article:

A harsh crackdown and martial law in recent years seem only to have fueled the insurgency, ...

Maybe the crackdown and martial law fueled the insurgency. Or, maybe a response of handing out origami birds to jihadists who are cutting the heads off schoolgirls walking to school emboldened the jihadists. Or, maybe the intensity of the jihad has little to do with what the infidels do or don't do. Maybe it is fueled by the intensity of core Islamic ideology and supported by billions or trillions of petro-dollars. But isn't it a question worth answering, or at least debating, instead of just assuming that "the crackdown and martial law" are the cause? Don't the media have some responsibility to ask those questions?

... generating fear and anger and undermining moderate Muslim voices

How long will we continue to assume responsibility for their humiliation and fear and anger and fury? How long will we continue to hold out hope for the appearance of any voices of "moderate Islam"? How can those "moderate" voices be undermined if they are eternally silent, or if they don't exist in the first place?

Posted by: special_guest [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 25, 2007 4:07 PM

xasan Maxamed said

They [Muslims] are under siege in most of places.

Yeah, we heard about that giant Christian/Jewish/Hindu/Buddhist/atheist conspiracy too. All those Buddhist schoolgirls and elderly monks violently oppressing you peaceful and friendly Muslims. The way those schoolgirls violently walked to school, it was very oppressive. What else could you peaceful and friendly Muslims do, other than peacefully beheading everyone in sight? Your Allah made it clear that this was the only way to respond.

I hate Islamic violence. And I won't stop.

Posted by: special_guest [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 25, 2007 4:27 PM

The Muslims have complained of discrimination and attempts at forced assimilation

Forced assimilation as in: abiding by the secular laws enacted and enforced by a democratically elected government; attending integrated schools that offer courses in art, music, history, and comparative religion; living in a community where there are Buddhist temples, where Buddhists are free to practice their faith, where women are allowed to drive a car, venture into public without wearing a veil, and vote.

If Muslims living in Thailand do not wish to "assimilate", they can be relocated to Malaysia where I'm sure they will get a more sympathetic ear from Mahathir Mohamad. The Palestinian Arabs can follow suit to Egypt and Jordan; the Bosnian Muslims to Albania; and the European Muslims to their native homes in North Africa and Turkey.

Posted by: Charles Martel [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 25, 2007 4:31 PM

Pez Says:

Muslim ‘critical mass’:

Percentage; Symptoms; Example
0.0001% ; Sheepish Behavior; Wyoming
1%; Whine, complain, random violence; US
3%; Threats, organized acts of violence; UK, Thailand
10%; Claim territory, sustained violence; France
33%; Victory Assured per 8:66*; Local Neighborhoods
50%; Assassinate Opposition; Lebanon
Majority; Cleanse population; Turkey, Bethlehem

You are so right-on. These are exactly the figures/results we've been keeping.

Israel is at 16% - half way to the 8:66 threshold.

Posted by: Arm A. Geddon [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 25, 2007 5:04 PM

Two words: Disproportionate Retaliation

For every Buddhist killed, burn down a mosque, preferrably during peak prayer time.

Only when other Muslims begin to feel pain in far greater numbers will anything change.

As yet, the West fails to realize this and nothing will change until it becomes policy. America's people and government have largely forgotten the lessons of WWII. All those millions of lives lost to quell Nazism, only to quail in the face of it being reborn. The 9-11 atrocity was our new Pearl Harbor. Why it is taking so long for people to realize this goes beyond all comprehension.

Posted by: Zenster [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 25, 2007 5:10 PM

I just love these "stories" written by leftists and I quote, "A harsh crackdown and martial law in recent years seem only to have fueled the insurgency"

What a crock! A harsh crackdown would have killed the terrorists, so it was not a crackdown or martial law which had anything to do with Thailand's Muslim murderers.

Look, this Muslim mayhem could be stopped in 60 days if the Thai junta would hire some Israeli advisors and employ some Chicom brute force.
Simply cordon off the areas, infared the travel ways and in one massive boom the government wipes out the problem.
The government evacuates the Muslims into FDR detention camps which are Islam free and opens the 3 provinces up for settlement. Prosperity and peace for all and every Muslim finds out the Muhammed medicine he dished out and dishes out in the Koran.

The Thai people are a lovely people and as Islam is making them crazed murderers....remove Islam.

Posted by: Lame Cherry [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 25, 2007 5:33 PM

I would think Thais will have even more problems with this then the west because in my view that Christianity and the west has always had a violent streak more so then Buddhism is actually an advantage when dealing with Islam. I think the reason the west is having a problem with this is that this is sort of a perfect storm, the oil money for renewed jihad appeared at a time when the west still hasn't appropriately dealt with "the death of God" issue. By this I mean that when it was found that the existence of God isn't scientifically provable, a portion of the west then made the mistake of going the next step and declaring all ways of life equal, and favoring an epicurean materialistic way of life.

However, all ways of life are not equal, and the way of life that is favored in a society has real implications for how vibrant and viable that society is. For example, the muslim code results in a bestial society that is a threat to its' neighbors and unpleasant to live in. The epicurean way of life is pleasant, but makes a society vulnerable to outside threats. I think the Romans and Greeks discovered the way of life that makes a vibrant society when they valued democratic ideals but also admired and encouraged honorable conduct in their leaders and citizens, while holding epicurean selfish behavior in contempt.

Because there is a lot of over-reliance on democracy in the west. Democracy and majority rule are only as good as the leaders and the body politic. If you get a democracy full of muslims, it's the wolves voting over which sheep they'll have for dinner. If you have a democracy full of Pelosis, then it just won't be around for very long, because it lacks the warrior ethic needed to fight off outside threats. If you have a democracy with leaders and body politic that values honor, temperence, prudence, justice and courage, and that has the warrior ethic to ruthlessly fight off outside threats, then you have a viable and vibrant state.

It's not necessarily a revival of Christianity that is needed in the west, as much as an increased realization that selfish epicurean behavior by individuals in a democracy has dire consequences and should be held in low esteem, and that the society, in its' families and educational system, needs to enculturate its' citizens to be honorable and virtuous (in the classical sense of temperate, prudent, courageous, and just) because that is what makes a society strong.

It needs to get away from the '60's "hey who are you to hold me in low esteem just because I spend my life getting high and not actually doing anything constructive, I am happy and therefore my way of life is equal to the man who is serving under harsh conditions to defend our freedom in Iraq". On the contrary, people like that a society has to hold in contempt, while all doors should be open to the warriors returning from Iraq and Afghanistan, and they need to become our next generation of community and political leaders. We as a country cannot afford another Vietnam, when the Democrat Congress stole the US soldiers’ victory by taking advantage of Watergate to cut aid to South Vietnam in the face of North Vietnamese invasion, and stole their honor in collaboration with liars like Kerry, in a conscious and largely successful effort to keep them out of leadership positions after they got back from Vietnam - which is how we eventually ended up with Clinton as president and Kerry as presidential candidate.

We need to become again like the early American democracy that the Founding Fathers created, the Constitution was only one half of the success, the other half was the belief in honor and classical virtues that the Founding Fathers had. Further, the west needs to realize that creation of wealth attracts raiders from alien cultures that come to plunder that wealth, which raiders need to be kicked out and kept out by brutal force. Of course, this will essentially involve the death of liberalism, which is why the leftists are in denial about the muslim threat, because they would have to abandon large portions of their ideology in order to effectively counter it.

Posted by: godfreyofbouillon [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 25, 2007 6:23 PM

"Troll sez:

"Look at the reasons driving muslim grievances across the globe."

Okay, lets look:

India and the Sudan and Algeria and Afghanistan and New York and Pakistan and Israel and Russia and Chechnya and the Philippines and Indonesia and Nigeria and England and Thailand and Spain and Egypt and Bangladesh and Saudi Arabia and Ingushetia and Dagestan and Turkey and Kabardino-Balkaria and Morocco and Yemen and Lebanon and France and Uzbekistan and Gaza and Tunisia and Kosovo and Bosnia and Mauritania and Kenya and Eritrea and Syria and Somalia and California and Argentina and Kuwait and Virginia and Ethiopia and Iran and Jordan and United Arab Emirates and Louisiana and Texas and Tanzania and Germany and Australia and Pennsylvania and Belgium and Denmark and East Timor and Qatar and Maryland and Tajikistan and the Netherlands and Scotland and Chad and Canada and China and..."
-posted by sheik yer'mami

Oh. So good.

The anti-jihadists ought to emphasize what is happening in Thailand most of all in order to get this whole thing into the thick skulls of infidels everywhere. While it is certainly true that Europeans have largely abandoned Christianity, I would bet that 1/2 of what we call secular Europeans are actually some variant of closet Buddhists in their personal spiritual lives. While they may be willing to play the tu quoque game vis a vis Christianity, not too many of them are about to come up with some Muslim "grievences" or tu quoque arguments against Buddhists, for Pete's sake!

"All those Buddhist schoolgirls and elderly monks violently oppressing you peaceful and friendly Muslims. The way those schoolgirls violently walked to school, it was very oppressive."
-posted by special_guest

Seriously. What a joke. The likes of xasan Maxamed ought to be loudly laughed out of civilized society. They should be publicly mocked and ridiculed and ostracized just as civilized people would nowadays mock and ridicule and socially ostracize Nazis. Whatever non-violent tactic (insult is still a non-violent tactic) that non-Muslims can collectively muster to deal with this 7th century tribal mentality that has no place in this 21st century world, is the way to go - as a first response. Now if a whole lot of folks who eschew violence could come to understand that they are going to need to wage a serious non-violent war of words against this ideology before it actually turns violent on a global scale - we'd be a whole lot further along in this fight. If they won't do it though - then they shall get violence. They will get what is happening to these peaceful Buddhist monks and schoolgirls and shopkeepers in Thailand. That's the reality. It WILL come to a neighborhood near you eventually. And that will be YOUR child walking the gauntlet on the way to school.

Posted by: Caroline [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 25, 2007 6:42 PM

"This has never happened before. This is a new aspect of violence in the south."
-from the article

Well no - this has never happened before UNTIL IT HAS HAPPENED IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD! But obviously, this is the steady and relentless drumbeat of Islamic expansion for 1350 years! And a look at the map and a look at history demonstrates that if it has never happened before in your neighborhood it's because someone before you actually took active measures to stop it! It's so weird how people who have been minding their own business can't open their eyes and abruptly realize that that no matter how affluent or peaceful they may have been - that history , as it has existed for 1350 years, is marching on just as it always has and that though they may well have had their heads stuck in the sand until now, they're still smack in the path of the oncoming train, nonetheless! What about that is so difficult to understand?

Do so many individuals actually happen to entertain the delusion that they stand outside of the trajectory of history somehow? That history somehow applies to other people, but not to them personally??

Posted by: Caroline [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 25, 2007 6:59 PM

http://www.politicallyincorrect.de/uploads/islamofascist.jpg

Posted by: Freewheelin [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 25, 2007 7:03 PM

This is precisely how it all started in Kashmir.. random acts of violence, then more organized violence.. then announcements from the local mosques calling for jihad.. calling for the Hindus and Sikhs to get out of Kashmir... and finally full scale pogroms.. Oh yes, we have seen it all in India and if the Thais don't wake up, they will soo have to bid goodbye to their south.

Posted by: Rationalist [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 25, 2007 7:38 PM

Too many liberals dealing with the problem. When you finally realize your enemy, then, you'll wake-up and deal with him accordingly. Think ! There was a time America suffered from savageness, and they had to deal with it. Thialand will have to do the same.

Posted by: Jeff [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 25, 2007 8:22 PM

Pay jizzya? Aren't we paying jizzya every time we go to a gas station?

Posted by: sb5k [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 25, 2007 11:13 PM

"Only when muslims feel like they'll some real consequences to their brutal actions will they stop and think twice before going beserk"

I really don't care whether the jihadist perpetrators are made to "think twice". I want the general population of Muslims to begin sharing the pain. When 20 or 30 of them suddenly get offed because some jihadi firebrand down at the mosque got a wild hair up his @ss and beheaded another poor Buddhist, maybe then they'll go and slit the imam's throat for preaching violence.

This is the only way possible to get the ummah's attention. Each victim of terrorism has to result in dozens, if not hundreds, of putatatively "innocent" Muslims taking the dirt nap. It needs to be made clear that major terrorist atrocities will result in whole Muslim cities being razed. Nothing short of this is going to have the desired impact. If Muslims are so unwilling to criticize their holy men, we need to make sure they undergo enough deprivation and fear that they'll hunt down the jihadis for us.

Is this collective punishment? You better believe it! Now go ahead and try to tell me that dhimmitude is not the epitome of collective punishment. Islam must be given a taste of its own medicine. Preferrably the most bitter draughts of all.

Posted by: Zenster [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 27, 2007 12:40 AM
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