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The former Prime Minister of Malaysia, Dr. Mahathir "Jews rule the world by proxy" Mohamad, says now that Islam is by its very nature moderate, and so the label "moderate Muslim" is simply redundant. He does not address in detail, however, the jihadist intepretation of the Qur'an and Sunnah, or show why it is wrong: such a refutation remains the Great White Whale of moderate Muslims.
"No such thing as a moderate Muslim - Dr M," from Bernama, with thanks to Ken and Elisabeth:
(Bernama) -- Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad today asked Muslims to do away with false assumptions when declaring themselves as moderate followers of Islam because the religion is indeed moderate.The former prime minister said Muslims did not need to defend themselves as moderate or liberal Muslims as this gave a picture that were only partial followers of Islamic teachings while others (teachings) were deemed extreme.
"Islam is already a moderate religion...there is no need for us to show that were are more liberal Muslims than others. We are Muslims...period," he said when opening the 45th Annual General Meeting (AGM) of the Muslim Welfare Organisation of Malaysia (Perkim) here.
Dr Mahathir, who is also Perkim president, said that even if some Muslims were labelled extremists, it was not because of the teachings of Islam but a lack of understanding of them or the religion being manipulated by irresponsible followers.
"There is nothing extreme about Islam if we follow its teachings as contained in the Quran," he said.
Dr Mahathir said the ummah (faithful) and Islamic nations must intensify efforts to dispel the notion held by many of Islam as being extreme, its followers ignorant, poor, do not know how to administer a country and are fond of asking for help from others.
He said that if the negative perception of Islam continued, it would adversely affect efforts to spread the religion as "no one would be interested to join a religion whose followers are seen as losers".
"People will only be attracted when there is a successful track record...as such only when Muslims become successful in all spheres or better than others in them can we successfully carry out effective missionary activities," he said.
According to Dr Mahathir, efforts must also be intensified to give a clear an correct picture that the religion was not an obstacle to progress.
"We must encourage followers who want to be successful and competitive. We should show that Islam does not stand in the way of followers who want to attain great achievements," he said.
Posted by Robert at February 27, 2007 6:59 AM
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Only if you think, hacking and chopping heads off is Moderate ?
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at February 27, 2007 8:05 AM
One would think that after 1400 years it would sink in that Islam does present an obstacle to progress.
Is it possible that modern comunication systems are behind the rise of radical Islam? In the sence that as communication improved through out the world. Islamic "Countrys" found out just how far behind the 8 Ball they really are.
How deep is the hole one must climb out of when growing Tomatos is a Challenge that needs to be scapegoated?
Posted by: flowerknife_us at February 27, 2007 8:16 AM
"Is it possible that modern comunication systems are behind the rise of radical Islam? In the sence that as communication improved through out the world. Islamic "Countrys" found out just how far behind the 8 Ball they really are."
Posted by: flowerknife_us
Modern transportation systems definitely are. Large numbers of Muslims got out of their cocoons and moved to other areas of the world. They then realized that others who didn't live by their rules existed and they set about their crusade. Funny how they take offense at the word, but what is their goal of (forcibly, if necessary) expanding dar-al-Islam? It's a crusade! Qutb was influenced by his travels in America. Would he have died an unknown had he never left Egypt?
Posted by: PMK at February 27, 2007 8:34 AM
The very word "moderate" implies a "third way". You can't have moderates without both radicals and conservatives.
I guess Mahathir is saying those who don't believe as the jihadists do are, in fact, radicals.
Posted by: PMK at February 27, 2007 8:38 AM
He was never a ‘moderate’- Malaysia’s ex Prime Minister Mahathir Mohammed was always a front runner of Islamic supremacy. His unrestrained, antisemitic, Jew-hating rants have become part of Malaysia’s history. His racist, (anti-white) anti-West, hateful statements are legendary and unforgettable.
He just told the Muslim Welfare Organization of Malaysia that there is no such thing as a moderate Muslim.
at February 27, 2007 8:47 AM
Assalamau Laikum all,
Mathir is a strange bedfellow. He does not have the brillo beard or wear the attire.
He is suited and booted and says comforting things like "We must encourage followers who want to be successful and competitive. We should show that Islam does not stand in the way of followers who want to attain great achievements."
So Islam does not stand in the way of progress...but through using islamic principles. I guess this means that the Klashnikov + internet is progress...to show resistance to Jews who occupy their land....but removal of burka is not.
In this respect Islam is strange...but it is a tried and trusted formula...and it works...slowly and over time.
The infedel fights ..occupies others lands for a bit...(and here's the important bit) his womens get used to peace and non faith and act as his bitch.
Islam however is a constant...we are where we are...and it is where we want to be....that's on Allah's SWT flat earth....everywhere.
If that means that we have to live amongst non-muslim lands (for a while) then so be it.
Allah Rehamat-vala (merciful) put on earth to look at his glorious house ..which shines at night ..and which contols the tides and changes in size and shape.
It is not known to me if Allah has mood swings...but surely the dark/light/small/large size of the moon would capture this perfectly.
Where is the infedel who can understand the glories of Allah...the perfection of his message via his early suras sent through the ingel Gibreel.
We are all so lucky on this site to know and love allah SWT so.
Posted by: Naseem at February 27, 2007 9:43 AM
Islam is already a moderate religion
There can be nothing moderate about an ideology dedicated to wiping out all competing ideologies.
at February 27, 2007 10:01 AM
"We are all so lucky on this site to know and love allah SWT so.
Posted by: Naseem "
I am fed up of the taq'qiya coming from this zombie.
Posted by: arjun.sevak at February 27, 2007 10:07 AM
Assalamau laikum arjun.sevak,
You say "I am fed up of the taq'qiya coming from this zombie" in reference to Allah.
I so pity the hindoos who missed out on becoming muslims.
Your life would have been richer, more noise in da house with multiple womens and lots of childrens...and with Allah SWT striding the middle of that happy picture.
Instead there you a hindoo dalit, looking over your shoulder in envy at the Bramins who are allowed to pray while you cannot. They who can bathe in the ganges early in the morning ...while you cannot even cut thier way back to his house let alone bathe together.
Looking over you shoulder while they eat their dal-baath (or eating meat in secret...while you a dedicated veggie (in mind and body) starve.
Well Arjun....you don't need to put up with this, it's in your power to have a life changing experience...you don't need to remain a dalit...or remain a veggie...convert to Islam and you have access to loads of meat eaters...Islam has some of the best butchers going.
Get yourself down to your nearest mosque and read the shadada...treat yourself....you don't have to remain sad....this is in your power Arjun ....follow my lead.
Posted by: Naseem at February 27, 2007 10:30 AM
My, what a strange person you are Naseem. Let's see - I pray every day, I eat meat, and I certainly don't know and love your "religion" or your "god". So, guess that makes me - what - an infidel? Good. Then categorize me as that. I never can make much sense out of your ramblings. Anyway, I guess you did make one true statement. Islam does have some of the best butcher's going. They chop off heads nicely. Wonderful, "peaceful" "religion", that. What a wacko.
Posted by: igetit at February 27, 2007 11:56 AM
arjun - Better yet, I welcome you to become a Methodist!! We have some great barbeques, and believe me, the pork shoulder, tenderloins, and BBQ ribs are genuinely a taste of heaven! Wash that down with some nice cold beer, and sit back and enjoy the company of peaceful people, watching their children play games.
Posted by: EricInTexas at February 27, 2007 12:01 PM
"Where is the infedel who can understand the glories of Allah..."
There's graveyards filled with such individuals.
Naseem, until Islam genuinely and authentically renounces violent jihad along with a host of other barbaric practices (e.g., child marriage, revenge gang rapes, amputation and beheading as punishment), your pleas for understanding will not be too well received.
Western people who gain an understanding of Islam and sharia, more often than not, are revolted by its practices. You are in Pakistan. What is your position on the clerics who are demanding that children do not receive vital immunization shots against polio?
Your answer to this one single question would speak volumes to those of us here at this web site. I'll even phrase it as a yes or no type inquiry:
Naseem, should children receive the polio vaccinations being offered in Pakistan?
Yes or no?
Posted by: Zenster at February 27, 2007 6:29 PM
Assalamaua Laikum Zenster....
Yes...the chjildrens should recieve vaccinations and all other medicines to keep them happ & healthy. All childerns deserve a happy childhood.
Posted by: Naseem at February 27, 2007 8:06 PM
"And when the forbidden months have passed, slaughter the unbelievers everywhere they are found; besiege them, capture them, torture them, prepare every stratagem of warfare upon them; levy the tax upon them...."
And what's that????? Why, it's-----
Mass murder as prescibed in the Kuran by none other than Muhammad himself!
Ah, how very, very moderate!
And if that was made standard practice by Americans old garbage-mouth Mahathir would be on every TV screen in SE Asia denouncing such murderous "extremism."
Posted by: pythagoras at February 27, 2007 9:56 PM
"Yes...the chjildrens should recieve vaccinations and all other medicines to keep them happ & healthy. All childerns deserve a happy childhood."
Thank you, Naseem, for providing a clear answer to my question. You have elevated yourself from the ranks of so many other Muslim participants at this web site who cannot possibly bring themselve to ever give a straight answer to even the most basic questions.
Another question, Naseem, if you would be so kind. Do you consider Pakistan's Dr. Khan to be a hero for spreading nuclear technology to such unstable regimes as Iran and North Korea? A simple yes or no will suffice. Thank you.
Posted by: Zenster at February 28, 2007 2:05 AM
The Doctor is allowing senility to creep in. When he ruled Malaysia, he as MAD. But u cannot blame this man - he belongs to a crazy faith that creates monsters like him.
Posted by: sabiha.sayed at February 28, 2007 7:32 AM
"Islam has some of the best butchers going. "
...yes, we see their handiwork daily.....
at February 28, 2007 11:37 AM
Liquid explosives, to be used in future airline terror plots, found in Lebanon.
Source: DEBKAfile
http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=3889
Posted by: SFOD at February 28, 2007 7:46 PM
Yoo hoo, Naseem. Just in case you somehow missed my last question. Please respond, if you would be so kind. Do you consider Pakistan's Dr. Khan to be a hero for spreading nuclear technology to such unstable regimes as Iran and North Korea? A simple yes or no will suffice. Thank you.
Posted by: Zenster at February 28, 2007 8:56 PM
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