Lovely sight, those signs.

Posted by: counterjihadi at February 27, 2007 8:48 PM

Are they feeling ill?

Posted by: champ at February 27, 2007 9:00 PM

What is most interesting is the violation of law which these Muslims are conducting in prayer. I am not speaking US law, but the law of Abraham.
Abraham was ordered by God to come to Him in seclusion. The offering of Isaac or if Muslim theory of Ishmael was not done in front of an audience, but in solitude as all prayer should be.

Muslims offer great honor on Jesus and Jesus gave laws that no one was to pray in public, but to seek out closets where they could pray in secret to the Father and He would reward them in public.

Now if Muslims do not know this it is the fault of the Imams for being in violation of God's law in worshipping Him.
If they do know this, they are in rebellion and like the Pharisees spoken of in The Book who cared more about what PUBLICITY THEY COULD GENERATE FOR THEMSELVES THAN OBEYING GOD.

Well Islam which is it? Ignorance or Rebellion of God???

Posted by: Lame Cherry at February 27, 2007 9:00 PM

OT - watching Dateline "To Catch a Predator" - first guy is "Mohammmed XXX" - it's amazing how many of these guys have apparently been Muslim..

Posted by: BunrattyBill at February 27, 2007 9:04 PM

I know Robert does not feel it is worth responding to Mr. Esmay over at his site, but I find the new laws he is putting down to be very interesting. To comment on his site, you must now agree with all of the following unconditionally:

1) Islam does not represent the forces of Satan or the Anti-Christ bent on destruction of the Christian world.

2) There is no 1,400 year old "war with the West/Christianity" being waged by Muslims or anyone else.

3) Islam as a religion is no more inherently incompatible with modernity, minority rights, women's rights, or democratic pluralism than most religions.

4) Medieval, anachronistic, obscure terms like "dhimmitude" or "taqiyya" are suitable for polite intellectual discussion. They are not and never will be appropriate to slap in the face of everyday Muslims or their friends.

5) Muslims have no more need to prove that they can be good Americans, loyal citizens, decent people, or enemies of terrorism than anyone else does.

I like to read Dean`s site. He attracts some interesting commentators, or at least he did. But I can`t really believe this stance has any merit. Certainly not the merit of WF Buckley throwing out the Bircher as Dean compares himself to.

He is not banning actual slurs, he is banning thoughts.

One could easily question the belief system of Judaism or Hinduism on the pages of the National Review.

Astounding case of denial and not wanting to repeat the mistake he made in supporting Communism.

Posted by: tokyobk at February 27, 2007 9:05 PM

He is not banning actual slurs, he is banning thoughts. Posted by: tokyobk

This is exactly what he is doing.Trying to brainwash us into being brain dead like the folks he is referring to.
There goes "free speech".

Posted by: Gramfan at February 27, 2007 9:36 PM

memo to Lame Cherry:

Muslims despite their claims to the contrary do NOT worship the Judeo-Christian God, Yahweh.

That is why Islam bears absolutely NO similarities to Judeism and Christianity whatsoever. (There is none). Al-lah's teachings (Islam)run counter to anything taught the Israelites by Yahweh (Judeo-Christianity).

Al-lah is an idol (or deity, whichever term you prefer) that originated in the religions of the Babylonian-Sumerian region of Mesopotamia over 4000 years ago and is also known under such names as Baal, Marduk, or the 'moon-God'.

Muslims DO have their political-religious ideology down correctly. It's just that it is entirely unrelated to anyone else's.

Posted by: pythagoras at February 27, 2007 9:37 PM

Tokyobk,
Before comparing Judaism to Islam, maybe you should learn something about it. I recommend www.aish.com or www.chabad.org.
For a Jewish view of the conflict, visit http://www.masada1234.blogspot.com - a new blog about israeli and world politics.

Posted by: Bar Kochba at February 27, 2007 9:41 PM

Fear not Islam will be victorious we Fail to recognize Islamic hate speech law suits, Islamic bias laws suits, Islamic offended law suits, etcetera . Failure to recognize youthful unrest in France, separatists violence in Thailand similar global Islamic events or “Islamic unrest” as “Jihad” ,

• Blackmail jihad

• Financial jihad

• Intellectual jihad

• Intimidation jihad

• Evangelical jihad

• Inspirational jihad

• Political jihad .

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at February 27, 2007 9:43 PM

Tokyobk,
Before comparing Judaism to Islam, maybe you should learn something about it. I recommend www.aish.com or www.chabad.org.
For a Jewish view of the conflict, visit http://www.masada1234.blogspot.com - a new blog about israeli and world politics.

Posted by: Bar Kochba at February 27, 2007 9:43 PM

That is why we are losing

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at February 27, 2007 9:44 PM

Just wanted to correct a typo (that's my picture from the meeting). "NCAA" should read "NAACP".

Sorry about that.

Posted by: Greg Z at February 27, 2007 9:45 PM

What does he do to those who violate his unconditional code of islamophelia, amputate their hand? That has to be the most idiotic set of rules I have ever seen.

Posted by: tgusa at February 27, 2007 9:46 PM

tgusa, do you mean Islamophobic? Islamophillic? apohelia is the point farthest from the sun and it's the only word with that suffix that I can find.

Only curious.

Posted by: Mike H. at February 27, 2007 10:11 PM

Champ,

Either ill or ...

where could that contact have fallen?

Posted by: LoneRanger at February 27, 2007 10:11 PM

Ha Ha Ha....I keep wondering if they pray like that at Muslims nudist colonies. My eyes are burning at the thought.

Posted by: champ at February 27, 2007 10:16 PM

Oh man....I'm gonna get canned for that comment.

Posted by: champ at February 27, 2007 10:20 PM

The picture of the Muslims praying reminded me of an incident I saw here in Houston one hot summer night a couple of years ago. This guy, his wife, and five kids came into Taco Cabana while I was there. They looked like an average couple except maybe they had too many kids. The wife goes to order while the guy heads out back to the patio. I sat and watched while the wife ordered the food, chased the kids, got the condiments and utensils, filled drinks, got the booster seats for the kiddos, and then, finally, went to pick up their order with one of the older kids. I was finishing up as they began to set out their food and headed out back through the patio where I had parked. To my surprise, there was the dad kneeling with his butt in the air and his face and hands in the bird poop laden cement praying to Allah. As I walked by him I thought, “Looser.”

Posted by: butterfly at February 27, 2007 10:25 PM

Canada has lost it's bid to stop Terrorists
since today's vote in Parliament was hijacked by CAIR and the CAIR friendly Muslim MP's , the Liberal leader Mr.Dion attended the CAIR fundraiser on Feb 14th which Dr.Elmasry and Sheema Khan were also at , these two were part of a crusade to impose Sharia law in Canada.

Check out this Imam from last week who wants Sharia law to kill adulters in Canada.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OTfacRDBJo

Posted by: ala-sux at February 27, 2007 10:31 PM

In Islamic countries Muslims make a great show of the 'forehead bruise' which they get by banging their foreheads to the ground when they praiy a lot - you may have noticed that dark spot on Zarqawi's head. "Hey, look at me! I'M HOLY!".

Isn't there something in the New Testament about those 'who make a show of piety before men'.

Posted by: poetcomic1 at February 27, 2007 10:41 PM

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pedophelia
Ok Mike h?

These cabbies don’t fit in here in the USA, it isn’t working out. They should go back where they came from so some others who really want to be a part of America can get in.

Posted by: tgusa at February 27, 2007 10:54 PM

Somalia is safe now, ship 'em all back there. we don't need no moslem cab drivers here. Come to think of it, do we really need any moslems here? What have they contributed? Except for trouble.

Posted by: unicorns62000 at February 27, 2007 11:25 PM

The two numbskulls in the photo above....Are they really praying? Or are they out to prove that the early bird truly does get the worm?

Posted by: DCWatson at February 27, 2007 11:34 PM

You guys are crazy if you think the Somalis are gonna leave Minnesota. They get several gubmint checks a month, plus free healthcare, plus tacit tolerance of bigamy by AFDC social workers who look away, thinking how cool and diverse it all is. Hell, MedicAID even foots their clitorodectomy bills. Best of all, their women can stay home and breed, although the younger Moslimas do work retail jobs.

The Somalis get money from the Feds, from the State of Minnesota, and from Hennepin and Ramsey Counties. They get money from the multiculturalists who are joyous to dole it out and they ain't gonna stop.

Marxism is here, and so Sharia has an honest to god shot to make it here.

For example, the Minnesota Department of Human Rights is working with a front organization of the Moslem Brotherhood to see how to thwart Islamophobia here.

The answer to this burning problem? Betcha a dollar to a doughnut it'll involve dollars.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at February 27, 2007 11:52 PM

Regarding praying in public, this is what Jesus had to say:

"And when you pray, don't be as the hypocrites are. They love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go to your room, close the door and pray to the Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what you do in secret, will reward you."

That being said, Jesus did pray in public and public prayer can also be a powerful statement of faith as well as a coming together of believers. But I believe Jesus was talking about in this verse was petitioning the Father which should be done in private.

I really don't understand what the benefit of praying like this 5 times a day, especially in a public place. Is there a sincerity to this act, even though it is a command?

I especially question why they chose that spot. Why not find someplace more secluded?

Too many questions here. Not enough answers.

Posted by: Canadian Christian at February 28, 2007 1:07 AM

As if the signs weren't enough of an attention grabber.

Posted by: champ at February 28, 2007 1:10 AM

Bigamy, Genital Mutilation, Outright Mooching?
I’m starting to wonder, should the Pres. attack Iran or Minnesota first?

Posted by: tgusa at February 28, 2007 1:18 AM

For a Jewish view of the conflict, visit http://www.masada1234.blogspot.com - a new blog about israeli and world politics.

Posted by: Bar Kochba

Thanks for re-posting this Bar Kochba. A while ago I couldn't get to it, then I forgot about it! Have saved it now:)

Posted by: Gramfan at February 28, 2007 1:31 AM

About this praying in public thing. I had a college teacher that was muslim. During some classes he would pull out his rug ask not to be disturbed and do his head banging IN THE MIDDLE OF CLASS. A lot of us students despised him for his lack of knowledge and help. Trouble was we could complain but we couldn't get him fired. Damn unions.

Posted by: Paladin3000 at February 28, 2007 1:32 AM

Praying in public is part of jihad.
An in your face demonstration, it is psyops.
Just like with the Burkas.
"We are here, and we are staying. Deal with it!"

Posted by: pr126 at February 28, 2007 2:01 AM

"Deal with it"

or....Kiss my_____!

Posted by: champ at February 28, 2007 2:13 AM

tokyobk really must be one of those comedic Muslims, because everything he says would be laughable only if it wasn't such an infuriating lie. Muslims are truly members of a despicable cult of lies, disrespect for fellow humans, turning woman into chattel, rape, sodomy, murder, and lies. Remember Mohamed was a murder, thief, liar, pedophile, and more. I have yet to hear any Muslim, and especially those who are deemed as moderates, stand up and say no to or condemn terrorism. Look at what these animals are doing throughout the world. They hack, murder, blow-up, torture, stone, commit genocide, especially in Africa, and blow each other up in Iraq. Yet, they spew out this garbage that they are a religion of peace, well their idea of peace is to kill anyone that does not agree with them even their own kind.

Posted by: fifthcolumn at February 28, 2007 2:33 AM

To: pythagoras (and RS)

I've seen a couple of authors, Frazer's Golden Bough particularly if I remember right, that postulate a development from the Egyptian notion of Rah, and other local thunder gods to the idea of Yahweh that led to current judeo-christian notions of God.

Is there any good source material that indicates a development from Mesopotamian Baal and/or Marduk and/or the moon-god to Allah?

Certainly I've often wondered why the moon figures so prominantly in their imagery.

Posted by: joeblough at February 28, 2007 2:34 AM

Robert,

I recommend that you get the great Charles Johnson to advise you on allowing commenters to link and also make clear deliniation of what is a quote.

From now on, I will draw lines since I obviously confused a few people.

Bar Kochba -- don`t revolt! -- My point is that one is able to critique the belief system of Judaism without being labled antisemetic, while those of us who critique Islam, a belief system, are called Islamaphobe.

fifthcolumn, please reread my comment and notice the colon, after which follows the new rules listed on Dean Esmay`s site.

Posted by: tokyobk at February 28, 2007 2:48 AM

"Abraham was ordered by God to come to Him in seclusion."

I was thinking the same thing Lame Cherry. But these nimrods... They want to show the world how "religious" they are, so pious - holier than thou. I can hear them saying, okay we've got an audience now, let's go over there by the ticket counter and pray..." Do they ever do this sh*t when a camera isn't on them.

They don't let anything get in the way of their prayer. Why, they drop to the floor quicker than a five dollar hooker. But I have a lot more respect for a hooker.

Posted by: Kemaste at February 28, 2007 3:02 AM

tokyobk my deepest apologies, I think I need a better CRT or maybe some new eyeglasses. My thoughts should not have been directed at you, but at Mr. Esmay.

I would like to add one more comment from my own personal contact with Muslims. I have dated a couple of Muslim woman and became friends with one family that considered themselves very moderate. Now this was a few years back when a tourist bus in Israel was blown up by tourists. Mostly Jews were killed on the bus, but if I remember right, something like ten Americans were killed. This moderate family rejoiced at the fact that all those Jews were killed and then remembering I was their guest made platitudes about the Americans being killed. I must say this truly angered me and I let them know immediately that the murdered Jews were innocent people, too. This is only one example of the mindset of the Moslems and it is scary. This family have spent most of their lives in this country and yet they cheer on these lowlife murderous Moslems. It just proves that we must keep a constant vigil against all enemies abroad and at home. I would like to point out that I am not a Jew; however, feel very strongly about the existence of Israel and feel that the so-called Palestinians are the invaders of this historically Jewish land.

Posted by: fifthcolumn at February 28, 2007 3:18 AM

Now why would those two mobots plant themselves between the narrow space of the two chairs with the signs? Hmmm?

Not by accident, I am sure.

Posted by: pr126 at February 28, 2007 3:35 AM

Islam is a cobbled together hotch potch of ill thought out religious ideas. It is like Mohamed sat in Judaism and Christianity 101 and because he was illiterate wasn't able to take notes. So all these ideas and revisions he came up with was because he basically wasn't paying attention in class.

You wont find any spiritual truths in it, so don't be surprised when you see Muslims dong arrogant praying as its meaningless anyway.

Posted by: payingattention at February 28, 2007 3:53 AM

thanks for deleting my post. You must be kidding, like I said anything more controversial than is being said now?

Posted by: SoteriA at February 28, 2007 3:56 AM

fifthcolumn

No Prob!

I remember I had a conversation once long ago with a Muslim woman who was completely unable to relate to the feelings of other religions.

I thought it strange but did not extrapolate to even a large majority of Muslims let alone associate it with Islam.

However, as it is clear that Muslim feelings matter more to many Muslims, if not most, than kuffir lives, I am no willing to extrapolate.

If you read the response in the Emory Wheel to Robert`s piece, you see a complete unwilling ness to be introspective when asked perfectly reasonable questions about what people are doing in the name of Islam.

Posted by: tokyobk at February 28, 2007 4:00 AM

Blah my bad, my lame internet...lol. Anyways I live in the Mpls metro and yet to have takin' a ride in a Islam-o-cab. Man this is hitting close to home now.

Posted by: SoteriA at February 28, 2007 5:00 AM

The two yo-yos in the photo are intentionally "praying" at the signs location to insult whoever placed the signs.. By "praying" there, they are demonstrating an "up yours" type of attitude...pure and simple....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at February 28, 2007 5:47 AM

HA HA! Mecca is the OTHER way!

Thank you for playing.

Posted by: Greek Fire at February 28, 2007 6:53 AM

This Muslim prayer thing is just for show. There is nothing in the Koran on how to pray or an example what a prayer should be. I dont think Muslims are actually praying, they are merely bowing down to allah.

What Mohammed saw was that Jews and Christians prayed to God. He found that this impressed people, and so he took the form without bothering about content. In fact, that is what Islam is, lot of show of piety but no substance.

Posted by: DP111 at February 28, 2007 7:01 AM

Exsgtbrown, could it be possible that these two guys can only read enough English to barely get by? I can imagine that some wiseguy told them that the sign says "PRAYER AREA."

Many years ago we were treveling to Riverside, California and stopped for a late lunch near Blythe. I noticed that about five men were in the parking lot with "blankets" under their arms. They were standing around, looking at a map and three of them were pointing in different directions. The older man finally pointed in a direction and they all knelt and assumed the Muslim prayer position. I had a road map with me in the restaurant and looked at it and concluded they were praying toward Las Vegas, Nevada. I we all had a great laugh.

Posted by: Pelayo at February 28, 2007 7:29 AM

Off Topic Comment:
Why can't the signing in facility sit at the head of the column? It is really annoying to have to scroll to the end of the comments first.

FAO: fifthcolumn:
Why, oh why, would you ever want to date a Muslim woman? Was that in your lefty-liberal days before you viewed the light at the end of the tunnel of multiculturalism? Or when you were in the FBI undercover in the hotbeds of Islamic USA? Whatever, why not tell us about life as you saw it in a Muslim household, in all its various aspects like personal cleanliness, family relationships, civic responsibilities, religious observance and patriotic fervour, not failing to mention the country of origin of the famililies you befriended?

Posted by: meekee at February 28, 2007 7:37 AM

if you are at the point on Earth antipodal to mecca

I have seen differing opinions, but is it Tuamotu in Polynesia? In my experience of Pacific Islanders, they are far too laid back to get signed up for stupidities like the Mahomet Cult, so the point may remain moot.

I do like the thought though, that becasue the earth is a globe, whatever direction you face, yo will be s**ing in the direction of the unholy meteorite. Thats cool.

Posted by: thomas ato at February 28, 2007 7:40 AM

"Exsgtbrown, could it be possible that these two guys can only read enough English to barely get by? I can imagine that some wiseguy told them that the sign says "PRAYER AREA"

...yes it is possible, but unlikely...these guys are taxi drivers. I would assume they know enough English to navigate around town reading the various road signs they encounter...I am sure they can read No Shar'ia in Minnesota, Mosque and Airport....there is little doubt they understand the signs at that location...They have seen the word No as in NO Parking, No Loitering, No Smoking, etc...These Muslims are making a statement, NO doubt...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at February 28, 2007 7:53 AM

It just goes to show, how Islam is trying to intervene religion into government; they'd be better off in a suit and tie if they want to win in considerations ?

Posted by: Jeff at February 28, 2007 7:56 AM

" (Canadian) Liberal leader Mr.Dion attended the CAIR fundraiser on Feb 14th which Dr.Elmasry and Sheema Khan were also at , these two were part of a crusade to impose Sharia law in Canada.

Check out this Imam from last week who wants Sharia law to kill adulters in Canada.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OTfacRDBJo

posted by: ala-sux"

This video really requires a main post of its own. Robert or Hugh or Marisol should give this amazing piece its own headline. This individual displays exactly the dangerously insane Islamic agenda to overturn the Canadian justice system, and then attempts to deflect the talk show host's questions just like all the rest of these facists.

As for Dion -- he's yet another pathetic individual from the left, not doing their homework, not really taking the time to figure out who they're getting in bed with. In this case, individuals determined to replace the Canadian system with a 7th century fascist one. Dion is just like the Democrats and their ex-con, raving mad terrorist supporting Imam doing his prayer for their conversion to Islam. They're all just completely oblivious or in denial -- it's all about an identifiable block of voters for these people.

Posted by: Abraham_Lincoln at February 28, 2007 8:02 AM

Muslims might gain more respect if they did not constantly try to publicly force their "religious" beliefs and actions, such as the prayer ritual in the photo...They might gain more respect if they voiced some objection to the sensless Muslim violence world wide, They might gaine some recognition if they demonstrated some effort to get the stupid Muslims who advocated rejection to common vaccines used to eliminate deadly diseases...

They might do many things that would truly indicate that Islam is a religion of peace or tolerance,,, but they won't....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at February 28, 2007 8:06 AM

"some effort to get the stupid Muslims who advocated rejection to common vaccines used to eliminate deadly diseases..."

..to stop acting so foolishly....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at February 28, 2007 8:08 AM

Meekee wrote:

“why not tell us about life as you saw it in a Muslim household, in all its various aspects like personal cleanliness, family relationships, civic responsibilities, religious observance and patriotic fervour, not failing to mention the country of origin of the famililies you befriended?”

Perhaps you missed the point:

“…This moderate family rejoiced at the fact that all those Jews were killed”

and

“…This family have spent most of their lives in this country and yet they cheer on these lowlife murderous Moslems…”

Yes, but of course, they had great table manners, said the pledge of allegiance at baseball games (I even saw them put their hands on their hearts!), they love to wash their hands, and I’ve never noticed them going over the speed limit. So they hate Jews and want them all dead…that’s no reason to overlook personal cleanliness.

Whether from Suriname, Sierra Leone, Sri Lanka, or Syria…who cares? Hate is hate no matter where it spews from and this world is not big enough to support a hateful religion with such a large number of adherents.

-XRDC

Posted by: XRDC at February 28, 2007 8:49 AM

if only the passion could be harvested and used for good of mankind!

Posted by: sectionOne at February 28, 2007 9:16 AM

Islam is founded by bandits and the Qur'an is but a field manual for bandits....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at February 28, 2007 9:50 AM

Excellent opportunity to give them a swift kick, while they are busy praying to their moon god. Hope someone took the opportunity.

Posted by: The Goobs at February 28, 2007 10:48 AM

Man-made RELIGION

Even so ye also outwardly APPEAR righteous UNTO MEN, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

Matthew 23:28

Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men.

Mark 7:7

Posted by: The Goobs at February 28, 2007 11:12 AM

Lame Cherry,

"What is most interesting is the violation of law which these Muslims are conducting in prayer. I am not speaking US law, but the law of Abraham.
Abraham was ordered by God to come to Him in seclusion. The offering of Isaac or if Muslim theory of Ishmael was not done in front of an audience, but in solitude as all prayer should be.

Muslims offer great honor on Jesus and Jesus gave laws that no one was to pray in public, but to seek out closets where they could pray in secret to the Father and He would reward them in public.

Now if Muslims do not know this it is the fault of the Imams for being in violation of God's law in worshipping Him.
If they do know this, they are in rebellion and like the Pharisees spoken of in The Book who cared more about what PUBLICITY THEY COULD GENERATE FOR THEMSELVES THAN OBEYING GOD.

Well Islam which is it? Ignorance or Rebellion of God???"

Also latter in the NT, Jesus warns not only His disciples, but all Christians down thru the ages in the Gospel of Mathew, Chapter 6:8-15 about not showing off in one's prayer life. That passage, with the commands about both fasting and almsgiving is the Gospel that is always read on Ash Wednesday each year and the part about prayer, the Tuesday in Week 1 in Lent. What Jesus had said about keeping prayer between you and God is simply doing what Abraham had done and what you had writen in your post. The two Muslims are making themselves look good and thinking by doing so, our faith is better then your faith.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at February 28, 2007 11:31 AM

FAO: XRDC

I'm sorry if my (misplaced) ironical questions re the 'moderate' Muslim family befriended by fifthcolumn have led to you believe that I have missed the point.
What I was actually asking was what attributes the family had previously shown to fifthcolumn which had endeared it to him; and how did living, I presume, a standard type of American family life accommodate the practise of Islamic tenets?
Perhaps fifthcolumn will deign to enlighten the both of us, since certainly myself, and possibly your good self, have had mere fleeting personal contact with the followers of the Prophet Mohammed.
I suppose the parents were in the first wave of Muslim immigration when scholars, doctors, (apparently) sophisticated, skilled personnel arrived at the shores of the USA and acted in ways to lull the American people into believing that Islam was indeed a religion of peace and that its followers were rational human beings prepared to live and let live.
And whomever was allowing Muslim women to date an infidel was indeed hiding aspects of Islam from the kuffah .. or perhaps fifthcolumn is an apostate Muslim who has since that time abandoned that cult's teachings?
Who knows:
Only fifthcolumn can say.

Posted by: meekee at February 28, 2007 11:47 AM

Would that I had the opprotunity I would have stood in front the muslim boys in the photo above and recited out LOUD the Apostle's Creed: I believe in God the Father Almighty, maker of Heaven and earth, and in Jesus Christ, His only begotten Son, born of the Virgin Mary etc, etc...

Priceless.

Posted by: omvi at February 28, 2007 11:49 AM

Revelation 13

16He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.

Posted by: pvb at February 28, 2007 11:57 AM

To Abraham Lincoln:

You said:
"As for Dion -- he's yet another pathetic individual from the left, not doing their homework, not really taking the time to figure out who they're getting in bed with."

Dion is a Liberal (Liberal is a political party up here, for those that don't know). His sole goal is to ensure that Canada's "natural governing party" gets a majority in the House of Commons. And damned be the consequences. He doesn't _care_ who he gets into bed with as long as he doesn't look like our current Prime Minister, the Rt. Hon. Stephen Harper.

Mr. Dion kicked a liberal MP out of Caucus because the MP was acting as an advisor to the Prime Minister regarding middle eastern affairs. This MP is a former Pakistani Air Force Pilot and is thus emminently qualified to provide insight into the Middle East from a muslim perspective (keep in mind that the PM is an "Evanglical Christian", so his view of the middle east will be tempered by his faith). Mr. Dion is not concerned with making Canada work, just getting Canadians to vote Liberal so his party can get into power again.

Anyhow, that's my 2¢.

Posted by: Canadian Christian at February 28, 2007 12:23 PM

Ah, I bask in this ignorance.

I'm sure most of you would not take at least one moment of your day to speak to God. Muslims are asked to take 5.

I don't know about you guys, but I admire that type of dedication to a spiritual lifestyle.

Posted by: Red Seal at February 28, 2007 12:34 PM

These fellows actually aren't making an attempt to face Mecca. The Ramada Mall of America is laid out more or less east-west/north-south (according to satellite imagery on Google Maps), making it a practical certainty that the interior walls are oriented either east-west or north-south. These Muslims are lined up either due south to the pole, or north to the pole, or east-west roughly along the 45th parallel, facing east to Bordeaux, France, or west to Harbin, China.

To face Mecca from Bloomington, Minnesota, according to the commonly calculated method, one would have to orient oneself 44 degrees to the east of due north.

Besides, they're not on a magic rug. Bottom line, Allah didn't hear the prayers. This is a vain display of piety.

Posted by: Greek Fire at February 28, 2007 1:08 PM

"Muslims are asked to take 5"

...no they are not asked, they are told....big difference..

Posted by: exsgtbrown at February 28, 2007 1:39 PM

in fact, there are documented cases where muslims have killed other muslims for not praying 5 times...that is domination at a high level...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at February 28, 2007 1:41 PM

exsgtbrown-

Red Troll admires the position more than the compulsion I'm sure.

-XRDC

Posted by: XRDC at February 28, 2007 1:59 PM

meekee-

Interesting questions all. Sorry to have misconstrued your intent (hadn’t seen your postings here before this). A good book to learn about personal experiences in Islam is:
Leaving Islam: Apostates Speak Out by Ibn Warraq

http://www.amazon.com/Leaving-Islam-Apostates-Speak-Out/dp/1591020689

fifthcolumn didn’t seem to indicate being an apostate which would certainly give him much credit. I think he simply was attracted to a freedom-loving girl who happened to be born into a muslim family with all the (Israel-hating) baggage that comes with it.

You’re right though, only fifthcolumn can tell us.

Regards,

-XRDC

Posted by: XRDC at February 28, 2007 2:40 PM

Hello!

I was also at the MAC hearing, and I have a summary of the meeting here.

I made the signs and put them up at the back of the room before the meeting started.

Posted by: Douglas at February 28, 2007 2:46 PM

Douglas,

Did anyone ask the aggrieved cabbies to substantiate their religious beliefs with facts (i.e. specific chapters and verses from Qur'an, Sunnah, etc.), and how non-Mulims are 'in sin' for merely carrying alcohol?

I haven't seen the issue addressed from a factual point of view yet.

Posted by: PRCS at February 28, 2007 3:40 PM

Douglas,

Thanks for attending the MAC hearing. I read your summary. Interesting.

Did anyone point out that in fact the blind with seeing eye dogs are being rejected? I understand the muslims might deny this for obvious reasons), but there was a story just this week verifying that the blind (w/ dogs) are still being rejected at St. Paul airport by muslim cabbies to this day.

Anyone at the meeting point out the slippery slope potential for this entire matter? I mean, if muslims can reject alcohol this week, will they being able to reject unaccompanied women next week? Or women not sufficiently covered? Will they be able to reject someone carrying a Virginia smoked ham next month? Could they reject gay men and lesbian women the month after that?

Did anyone mention that we should NOT tolerate the intolerant (and ungrateful) amongst us?

Did anyone mention that a license to drive a cab is a privilege and not a right?

Did anyone suggest that permanent revocation of a license for a first violation should be the rule and not a mere 30 day suspension?

Douglas: You don't have to answer this post. I'm just ranting.

Posted by: omvi at February 28, 2007 3:44 PM

"I haven't seen the issue addressed from a factual point of view yet."

....When dealing with Muslims, all you get are demands, lies, and threats...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at February 28, 2007 3:47 PM

PRCS, I believe that there has been a long series of discussions between the Muslim activists and the MAC leading up to this hearing.

An imam was the first person to address the panel, and someone asked him why this was only a problem in Minnesota and nowhere else in the US. I must confess I didn't really get the imam's answer. It was something to the effect of saying "Well, we're more observant here."

You might find more information if you follow the links to the January media stories I provided.

Posted by: Douglas at February 28, 2007 5:04 PM

Off Topic Comment:
Why can't the signing in facility sit at the head of the column? It is really annoying to have to scroll to the end of the comments first.

Hit the end key, under home, it goes straight there. But your less confused if your read the other posts first. Hope this helps.

Aunt Bea

Posted by: auntbea at February 28, 2007 5:06 PM

omvi,

Some of the blind people who spoke to the panel mentioned that they had been refused. The leader of the guide dog user association mentioned that there are overt and covert refusals, where the driver tells the dispatcher they picked up another fare, or couldn't find the blind person, etc. Without a sighted witness, the blind person has a hard time documenting a covert refusal.

A few of the cabbies suggested that the stories about people with guide dogs being refused was made up.

No one mentioned the slippery slope argument to the panel. I suggested it to the reporter from the Star-Tribune during a private conversation, but that didn't make it into the Star-Tribune article.

The president of Airport Taxi mentioned that driving a cab was a privelege, and came out strongly for the rule changes.

I thought about making the penalty stronger, but thought better of saying anything about it, as the proposed rule changes constitute a sixty-fold increase in the penalty in terms of lost money.

Posted by: Douglas at February 28, 2007 5:20 PM

You know guys, it may be ackward, but I think if I travel on an airplane nowdays I am going to get a 18 inch tall brass cross like the on they took out of the chapel at Georgetown and carry it in front of me.
Should work as well garlic and vampires. At least I will have some personal space.

Aunt Bea

Posted by: auntbea at February 28, 2007 5:21 PM

Sorry, saw the typo just as I posted "awkward"

Posted by: auntbea at February 28, 2007 5:23 PM

I think it's not a matter of the leftists in MSM not being aware of what muslim immigration bring to the US, but that they would find that useful. Think about it. Say they are able to encourage muslim immigration to the point where we have about 10% muslim, say 30 million. That's 30 million lemmings easily induced to seethe and violently target uncomfortable individuals. In that demographic context, the hit piece the MSM did on Hirsi Ali would be just that, a hit piece. Substitute pesky fundamentalist or conservative of choice, and repeat. True, there's the right to bear arms. But then they are working on that too, right?

But then the MSM would never sink so low as incite muslims to kill US citizens, right? Except that they already have - see the Abu Ghraib "coverage" (actually explicitly given as motivation by jihadis before killing and torturing Americans), the false report of Korans flushed down the toilet at Gitmo, etc. So, since this works for the MSM like gangbusters with patriotic US servicemen and civilians in Iraq, why not bring some of these ROPers to the US so the MSM can repeat the process, only at home, right?

Cause a good number of the leftists have quite openly been bemoaning the fact that the jihadis missed Cheney in Afghanistan. So when they think about muslim immigration, they probably think pretty much the same thing conservatives do. 30 million muslims = more jihadis to try to blow up Cheney. Except they see this as a GOOD thing. They just might be thinking, we'll buy off the jihadis with ROP crap, so they can concentrate on ridding us of the Cheneys, those annoying fundamentalists, and conservatives of all stripes.

Posted by: godfreyofbouillon at February 28, 2007 6:03 PM

Thank you for your comments. I have to address the comment about perhaps being a liberal in some bygone time. I’ve have to say that I have never been a liberal and have always been on the conservative right. You may ask then why is your moniker “Fifthcolumn?” My response is this is my way of saying I know what is going on. I know what you are up to. That I have always understood there is an enemy within, which is more insidious than the howling masses of rabid Muslims and others without. These people are the left and near left of our beautiful country. These are the traitors, the deconstructoners, the rot within our boarders, they are the left. In part, they consist of the judges that make laws from the bench, the prosecutors that demonize and persecute our hard working boarder patrol, the government leaders and civil fanatics that want to crush our second amendment rights and leave us defenseless and helpless to the onslaught of criminals. The leftist government factions such as our courts that make the victim the criminal and the criminal the victim. Television and movies that are so out of joint with the realities of the world that they encourage violence, rape, murder, disrespect, and foster the hate of the United States. (I’ll have a lot more to say about that in future postings.) Music, which is so disgusting and hatful (sorry a liberal over used word) that it truly hurts the ears and damages the soul. This all comes from the fifth column within this nation. By design the very fabric of our life is being torn to shreds, the blame the U.S. for every problem in the world, and I mean every, is the mantra of the left and their hypocrisy. They are against defending ourselves from terrorism and say we are not the policeman of the world. Yet, they turn around and say we should be sending troops here and there to stop this and that. This is the rhetoric of the left. This is the way of the left to talk out of both sides of your mouth. Condemn something, then turn around, and do the same thing, because it is the flavor of the day, and then move on to some other hypocritical stance. Remember what happened to the Roman Empire, they became lazy, soft, greedy, backstabbing, just like us. They lasted over half a millennium, and we are only a little over 200 years old, and we are caving in upon ourselves. The outside enemy sees this and is storming our gates with their hordes of Jihadis, and illegal aliens looking to pick us apart and drive us into submission and turn us into a third world nation. Sadly, we are letting it happen.

So, what does all this have to do with the topic of discussion? Well plenty! It is our tolerance of this circus and mockery that is made daily of our courts and judicial system. Where a foreign cab driver can run you down on our own streets, because he thinks you have insulted him. He is now being portrayed by the leftist Nazi media as the victim and the victim is now the criminal. This is happening all over the country every day. The leftist media and Hollywood have a chokehold on us and ram their anti American hate down our throats. People say, well just don’t watch it, or don’t listen to it, or don’t read it, or, or, but the problem is not being address. It’s a chokehold. It’s a monopoly. It is so pervasive that it is woven into the very fabric of our lives. You can’t get away from it. It’s destroying us and we have to do something about it. So, how do we do that? First off, we hit them in the pocketbook, and we hit them hard. As is said, money is the root of all evil. Well let us deny them some of that evil by not giving them their pieces of silver. Boycott their movies; let their advertisers know we will not buy their product if they continue to air their filth and lies. Let the publishers know we will not buy their publication. This works and will be one nail in their coffin. Another nail would be to take them to task on the garbage, lies, and lunacy they regurgitate. Single them out and take them down one at a time. Expose them for what they are. Demand that the newspapers are held accountable for what they print or say. Stop the lies and the leftist opinion that is put forth as fact. This will have a ripple effect, and it all will work.

I have said a lot and maybe too much, so let us move on.

To answer the question of why I dated the Muslim woman: it is because they were beautiful and Persian. Persians are not Arabs and consider themselves Arian. Iran means Arian and some Persians I have met you would have thought they were Germans, but I am not going to go into the history of Persia here. All I am going to say is that the two women were babes and as a red-blooded American boy, I went for them. Does this mean I have some feelings for Iran? Well let me put it this way “hell no.” I think they are an evil empire that needs to be dealt with immediately and with finality.

Oh, one more thing, this does not mean I have anything against Arab woman, if I met one I thought was beautiful, I would date her, too.

Thank you for letting me to get some of my thoughts out.

Posted by: fifthcolumn at February 28, 2007 6:03 PM

fifthcolumn:

Thanks for your latest posting.
But I am still curious as to:
a) how you were allowed by the 'guardians' of the Iranian women to date those ladies, and
b) how well you knew, or thought you knew, the family you befriended before discovering that they rejoiced at the murder of innocent Jews, and
c) is it your implication that even 'moderate' Muslims are actually fully incorporated into the evil that is Islam?
d) do you think that a beautiful Muslim woman will not harm you, or are you into living dangerously?

My intuition tells me that you are an academic or a professional man who mixing with Muslims of apparently similar status was led into a premature acceptance of their good will and companionship.

Posted by: meekee at February 28, 2007 7:59 PM

Aunt Bea:

Sorry, I don't see/find 'home' and don't know which is the end key under 'home'.

I am obviously too dull to be able to access quick signing in, so I'll have to stay with my current ineptness.

Thanks anyway.

Posted by: meekee at February 28, 2007 8:07 PM

I came upon a situation similar to this while waiting for my son to return home some time ago from a far off country, these two suspects decided to exercise their cult time just as i was entering a lobby, did'nt hesitate one moment, really don't care about their perception of me, sat down in front of them and started praying as loud as possible without disturbing my fellow americans, made quite a scene so my wife tells me, the two dummies looked rather disturbed but freedom of speach had the upper hand, do it again in a heart beat!!!!

Posted by: OLD SARGE at February 28, 2007 8:15 PM

Douglas - thanks for taking the time to attend, and thanks for your cogent description of the event!

Posted by: MP at February 28, 2007 8:23 PM

"I'm sure most of you would not take at least one moment of your day to speak to God. Muslims are asked to take 5.

Posted by: Red Seal"""

Yes? I have a better idea.

Better to spend 'some' time praying with a sincere heart that wants to KNOW God. Better to walk in love with the help of the Holy Spirit. Better obeying God by living according to His WORD

....as opposed to PRETENDING to be holy (so men can see them) by going through RITUALS 5 times a day and praying to a manufactured idol moon god.

Walking around with evil intent in one's heart towards those who do not wish to worship their false god - an abomination to GOD ALMIGHTY.

Ignorantly, obeying the devil and working evil (the work of their father).

Even an athiest can recognise EVIL when they see it. Some of the things done by muslims is far worse than the maniac Charles Manson and even far more horrific and evil than the monster Freddy Krugger.

Posted by: The Goobs at February 28, 2007 8:42 PM

OLD SARGE, BRAVO. I hope you prayed for them to be released from the bondage of the devil, and for God to open their eyes to the truth.

Posted by: The Goobs at February 28, 2007 8:45 PM

Miranshah, Pakistan - Suspected pro-Taliban militants beheaded and cut off the hands and feet of a man in a Pakistani border area, accusing him of spying for US forces in Afghanistan, officials said on Tuesday.
Authorities in North Waziristan tribal district found the body of the Afghan national dumped on a road near the frontier late on Monday with a note identifying the man as "American spy Nek Amal," a security official told AFP.
The man's head, hands and feet had all been severed and were lying near the body, the official said, adding that the remains were taken to Afghanistan's Khost province by relatives.

Anyone else think this sounds a bit DEMONIC? SICK SICK EVIL followers of a false god.

Posted by: The Goobs at February 28, 2007 8:54 PM

Meekee thank you for your response.

No I am and wasn’t that gullible. I had no illusions of what I was getting into and never thought for a second that I was not considered an outsider. Although it was never exhibited to me. I must say that I was treated very well, but I did not trust them as far as I could throw them. I have had contact with Muslims before and those ones were really an eye opener. The ones I am talking about, the family that befriended me, are very moderate Muslims, who I think don’t know what the inside of a mosque looks like. The point I am trying to make is this hatred is ingrained in them. It comes out, in some cases, without them realizing, as in the case I sited in my first essay. They are brainwashed from youth to hate all that are not Muslim, to lie, cheat, or steal if that will serve them. To treat woman like property. To treat non-believers as dirt. Now multiply this a hundred fold and that is what we are fighting against.

This is not to say that all Muslims are going to don a bomb vest and blow up innocent people, or will commit treasonous acts against our country. That would be ignorant and placing ones self in the same genre of the Islamist nuts out there. However, we do have to bear in mind what their upbringing has taught them and that is a hard thing to overcome on their part. Everyone is resistant to change even when they want to change.

You ask why was I allowed to date one of their own. Well she wasn’t a relative of theirs, but I did meet her relatives and they had no problem with it, she was a friend and lived with them. By the way, my friend is now on her way to becoming a Christian. Like most Muslims were, before they were run over by the Arabs. Her brother is a Zoroastrian, the ancient religion of Persia. Persians are different in many respects than other Muslims, especially the ones that came over at our bequest after the fall of the Shah. They are more open to new ideas and were smart enough to escape the Islamic dogs that run Iran now. We can thank Carter for that and the mess we are in now.

One last thing, I do love living dangerously…

Posted by: fifthcolumn at February 28, 2007 10:06 PM

"In Islamic countries Muslims make a great show of the 'forehead bruise' which they get by banging their foreheads to the ground"

Cool beans. It gives our snipers something to aim at.

Posted by: Zenster at February 28, 2007 11:42 PM

FAO: fifthcolumn

Hey, you are one interesting and intriguing fellow. You seem to have a story to tell .. why not post it here or on a blog perhaps.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and answering my intrusive questions .. living dangerously indeed!

Posted by: meekee at March 1, 2007 8:14 AM

Although modern medicine teaches us that the motility of the GI tract is important to the elimination of toxins and wastes, Islam encourages the retention of same through the practice of continuous frustration of the forces of gravity.

It is any wonder then that such toxins and waste, aided by the forces of gravity, flow in the opposite direction Yahweh intended, and enter the cerebral cortex?

This accumulation of excrement in the cerebral cortex prevents the 'prostrate ones' from 'thinking clearly' and predisposes them to endorsing their religion of murder, mayhem and misogyny.

Sarcasm on.

Posted by: BurkasforHitlery at March 1, 2007 5:03 PM

This newly diagnosed medical condition is akin to toxic megacolon. It is called, "Toxic Mega-Islam."

Posted by: BurkasforHitlery at March 1, 2007 5:06 PM

they might as well have a giant middle finger sticking out their rear ends, because that's all there doing....flipping the collective Kafir the bird

Posted by: kelisw at March 2, 2007 11:13 AM

"You know guys, it may be ackward, but I think if I travel on an airplane nowdays I am going to get a 18 inch tall brass cross like the on they took out of the chapel at Georgetown and carry it in front of me.
Should work as well garlic and vampires. At least I will have some personal space.

Aunt Bea

Posted by: auntbea at February "

...just place your hands in the prayer position, then loudly begin.....Our father, who art in heaven.......

.....If you make it to the end....and neither the Muslims nor the stewardesses stop you...then proceed with....I pledge allegiance to the flag......

.....If you have not been maced nor gagged...begin singing..."God bless America.....

...Enjoy your flight....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at March 2, 2007 2:36 PM

oh yea, and make sure you are wearing your sweatshirt that proudly boasts..."They call me Sue......

Posted by: exsgtbrown at March 2, 2007 2:39 PM

I love the picture- of course no Sharia law in Minnesota while the Muslims are vastly outnumbered by people who do not want Islamic law.

As they grow in population, thanks to immigration, they will become more bold and things could change.

Posted by: eaglecap at March 2, 2007 5:03 PM

liberalism is the mouthpiece of marxism and their isalmic brethren stooges

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at March 2, 2007 10:04 PM

joeblough: Serge Trifkovic raises the theological issue of the development of al-lah in his work, "THE SWORD OF THE PROHET". Although not thorough, he provides a reasonable background on this topic.

Dr, Robert Morey has discussed it in some of his internet lectures. There are other sources, which at the moment are escaping me (they'll come back to me).

But suffice it to say, that Babylon was the center of the Middle East's cultural development; in fact, many areas of the Middle East worshiped Baal. The Arabian Peninsula was once a colony of Babylon's. And it had been so for a number of centuries. It makes sense that Islam's origins show strong Babylonian influences.

Posted by: pythagoras at March 3, 2007 1:59 PM