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A reader asks, "Is anyone else getting bored with Iraq and Islam?"
I am. I am getting bored, quite bored, with Iraq and Islam. In fact, I've long been bored silly with the whole business of Iraq and Islam. It is not terribly interesting in itself, except as a case study offering a rich variety of different kinds of willful ignorance, sentimentalism, and avoidance of the obvious -- as well as of sheer stupidity in so many different, and differently unappealing, forms. It must have been the same for all kinds of people who encountered similar phenomena, although perhaps it was not boring for Winston Churchill to have to again and again say the obvious things (or obvious now) about Adolf Hitler, about the Storm Troopers, about Nationalsozialismus, and about how Mein Kampf was meant seriously and should not be dismissed.
Or it may not have been similarly boring for all those who wrote about Japanese militarism and emperor-worship, that is Kodo, in Japan beginning in the 1920s, with the full menace already clear to some by 1930: one Western student of the subject laid it all out, and even predicted the exact places the Japanese would attack.
And don't you think the members of Giustizia e Liberta would have preferred to do other things in southern France then have to worry about being picked off by the secret police of Il Granitico, with those endless harangues matched only by the crazed speeches of Hitler? Imagine having to watch those speeches, or having to read anything written by either one, or having to solemnly study, for example, the kind of thing Kremlinologists used to have to study: what went on at the First Party Congress in Minsk, and what Comrade Lenin wrote about Renegade Kautsky, and when Comrade Stalin first started airbrushing that wrecker Bukharin out of those photographs of the Soviet leadership.
Who in his right mind could stand it then? Who in his right mind can stand it now?
And why would we want to follow, day by day, what general or admiral in the Japanese Imperial War Office is in, or out, or on his way up, or on his way down, and the ideological origins of Emperor-worship and bushido-cults and all the rest, when one would much rather, if one were reporting on Japan in those days, write about the cherry-tree ceremony, or Murasaki Shikibu, or possibly that nice exhibit of wazikashi blades in the Japanese War Ministry's museum?
We're all bored, just as bored, even more bored, than you are with Islam, and Jihad, and with having to listen to solemn parsing of speeches by Bin Laden, or Ahmadinejad, or Mahathir Mohammed, or with having to analyze some promise made by Hosni Mubarak or Pervez Musharraf or Mahmoud Abbas. Why should primitive peoples with primitive belief-systems take up our time? Because they can. Because they must. Because the Western world made a big mistake, over the past four decades, and now it is paying for it. And the Western world will, if something is not done, pay much more for that big mistake of letting into its midst, at the moment of maximum sentimentality and softness in the collective Western brain, people who do not and cannot wish that Western world, its legal and political institutions, well.
And politics, just writing about anything involving large numbers of people -- so that one writes, actually writes and can't quite believe it, such phrases as "the Iraqis" or "the Arabs" or "the French" or "the Israelis" or "the Hindus." One writes, and then still has to look at oneself in the mirror to keep from cutting oneself when shaving. One simply has to agree to the rules of the public game, in an age of the degradation of the democratic dogma. What else can one do? No one in the world could be as bored with Islam as I am, not even you, given my natural bent and interests and hierarchy of values. But it has to be discussed, until enough people understand what the whole thing is all about, and by helping them make sense, they can be helped to come to their senses.
Posted by Hugh at February 28, 2007 9:02 AM
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maybe you need a vacation.
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at February 28, 2007 9:14 AM
Dry Tortugas is nice.
Posted by: sectionOne at February 28, 2007 9:22 AM
The enemy is not getting bored....
Posted by: exsgtbrown at February 28, 2007 9:24 AM
I read somewhere that "war is work."
Quite right. In war, glory appears in only the most limited quantities, and in proportion to blood, sweat and tears, is rare indeed. Glory is fleeting and the work never ends.
Long, thankless, work. Much the same with this intellectual effort: keeping up a holding action against the tailored suit jihad, waiting for the (here I shame myself) Bill Mahers to focus.
No duel, no joust, no Atticus Finch moment that settles it all. Just saying the same things over and over. Making the same arguments, stating the same facts again and again and again. Just like filling sand bags: boring, tiring, necessary.
We're winning, though.
Posted by: counterjihadi at February 28, 2007 9:24 AM
Excellent article and for all who have reached similar bored state - go beyond a step or two and think of life if islamists (and their cultural marxist allies) succeed ...
Posted by: TINBH at February 28, 2007 9:28 AM
Assalamau Laikum sectionOne,
Why the long face....whoever needs a vacation ...forget about the well trodden path of Florida...and come to Lahore...i.e. trade your oranges for mangoes.
Once here, we can talk about the roots of hair...or Pak ..or Islam.
For example... did you know that Islam does recognise caste only in the form of tribal distinctions ... the difference is that the classification in Islam is "vertical" and not horizontal as in Hindooism.
In fact if you consider pre-Islamic Arab society, it was divided in three classes which you "could" call castes, like Hinduism.
On the top were jews, then Christians, both grouped as 'Ahle-kitab'. And at the lowest rug were pagan Arabs called 'Ummies'.
Inspired by Islam the Ummies rose up and became the Super Power. Sound familiar? why it's your OH so friendly Umma.
The Quran says "Allah keeps changing days among humans". i.e. Nothing is eternal but subject to flux, but "Rahe naam Allah ka" (Allah's name will remain 4eva despite the flux).
As we know this to be true...those associated with allah SWT ...the ummies ...will also remain forever.
Armed with knowledge now....make your way post haste to a mosque and recite the shahada...remember over subscription can be bad...don't get caught out.
at February 28, 2007 9:29 AM
Islam continues to strangle itself...
Posted by: exsgtbrown at February 28, 2007 9:40 AM
ummies are hardly a super power. sure they have the ambition but they go about it all wrong. destruction and violence isn't the path of the masters.
Posted by: sectionOne at February 28, 2007 9:48 AM
The islamic cave man world provides some of the best black humour laughs going. Sure, the islamic torture, killing, raping, enslaving -- that's anger producing enough to keep one from getting bored for too long. And the infuriating willful ignorance of Western leadership and academia and the media -- that is infuriating. But it's the COMEDY that keeps me from getting bored for too long.
Like this wild head-smacking orangutan mullah ... these are the people running the show in islam ... hahahahhahaha:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtnOp_qD_OM
This is what the Modern World is up against!
at February 28, 2007 10:02 AM
Among Sistani's fervent admirers have been Reuel Gerecht and assorted Weiss-Schwartz Syndromists at My Weekly Standard.Fouad Ajami, too, was deeply moved by his meeting (a meeting that neither Bremer, nor any other Infidel, being unclean, or "unclean," was able to have) with Sistani, described in Ajami's tellingly mis-titled book, "The Foreigner's Gift" (for "Foreigner's" read "Infidel's").
Whether it is "staunch ally" Saudi Arabia, "staunch ally" Pakistan, "staunch ally" Egypt, "staunch ally" Jordan, "moderate" Abbas, or for that matter the Hero of Iraq, the "moderate" Sistani and the "moderate" Shi'a (as opposed to wild-man Moqtada al-Sadr) -- Sunni or Shi'a, "extremist" or "moderate" -- let's call the whole thing off.
Instead, no more mistaken seeking for the Good Muslim, but attend rather to what those who were born into and raised within Islam, but have found there way out, just as defectors from the Soviet system found their way out, and got to the West, and managed to tell the Western world what so many simply could not believe. And if those intelligent and articulate apostates -- Ibn Warraq, Wafa Sultan, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Ali Sina, and others are heeded, then policies can be constructed on some basis other than the endless and essentially pointless search for those "moderate" Muslims -- whether it is those in Amman who laugh appreciatively at the witticisms of Bernard Lewis, and he recalls so fondly, or those "moderate Muslims" who are the "answer" to the other kind, in the repeatedly expressed view of Daniel Pipes, or whether it is the Sistani-worship of his claque at My Weekly Standard -- throw it all over the side.
Look at Islam as Ibn Warraq or Wafa Sultan looks at it. Or as Bat Ye'or does. Or Arthur Jeffery. Or Samuel Zwemer or St. Clair Tisdall. Or so many others. Unreformable, yet containable. And then contain it, and work to undo the gains made by the Camp of Islam over the past forty years. It is entirley doable. It does not require Boots on the Ground and the expenditure of $750 billion to win hearts and minds in Iraq. There is a military component, but that is far less important than diminishing the money weapon, halting Da'wa or supporting campaigns of counter-Da'wa, and halting the penetration of Western societies by Muslims who were foolishly allowed into those societies by many different governments unaware of what Islam as a belief-system means, and still not able to come to grips with, to recognize, the terrible problems that will not be solved by brightly encouraging, at state expense, "integration" through better teaching of language, affirmative-action school and job programs, and all the other things that will merely increase the ability of Muslims to win over Infidels (see Tariq Ramadan, and compare him to this or that inarticulate, semi-educated Imam -- who is the greater threat?), or at least to stave them off, while the demographic conquest continues unabated, until it is, or at least is judged by many to be, too late.
Posted by: Hugh at February 28, 2007 10:02 AM
indeed, admitting there is a problem is the first step to recovery. but along with the trends of the past 30 years we give too much credit to man... in general. there is nothing that will help solve our current issues but an eventual show down.
do you think we are numb to humanity from the recent conflicts? do you think we are moving into a generation past WWII and Crusader mentality of fighting to solve problems? is this a step in evolution and where will we progress to?
take the vacation and stock on supplies when you get back because the boredom will cease soon.
at February 28, 2007 10:22 AM
Bored beyond belief.....unfortunately, the only people who are bored are those who are AWARE of the problem. It's like the choir LOOKING for someone to preach to them what they know - thus we show up here.
Where I live, folks in management positions don't even know who Nancy Pelosi is, let alone the problems with Islam....and they don't WANT to know. They are clueless and happy to keep it that way.
They are overweight, over-stressed, over-worked, under-paid, people who have decided to throw in the towel. Their primary purpose in life is to be entertained either by their satellite tv or the latest tour of WWF RAW. They live for entertainment (bread and circus), drive pick-up trucks and shop at Wal-Mart.
If you locked them in a room and FORCED them to hear the truth - they would still be complacent or choose to deny the truth to maintain their 'comfort level'.
Where are the Patriots? Where are the Rebels? Where are the people who love this country and want to protect it? Some of us older and wiser folks write on this board. The young Patriots - what there is of them, are in the armed forces. The rest of them are either like the bunch described above or worse, lefty-liberal useless 'know it all' products of our universities.
Posted by: The Goobs at February 28, 2007 10:34 AM
""Inspired by Islam the Ummies rose up and became the Super Power. Sound familiar? why it's your OH so friendly Umma"".
Naseem - yeah....'inspired' by a sword at their throats. These pagan arabs worshipped MANY idols around that big black stone until Muhammed decided to through them all out except for the moon god allah.
This PROVES that islam is not related to Abraham, Moses or Jesus. NONE of them would go NEAR a place of idol worship....because they feared the only true God - the creator God of the bible.
Islam is hogwash, pure and simple.
Posted by: The Goobs at February 28, 2007 10:39 AM
seems like Americans have become dependents. dependent on the government to protect them in crisis. dependent on their jobs to pay their bills. dependent on their tv to entertain them. dependent on nothing thats brings them knowledge.
we shouldn't apologize for American society. it's rather cushy. to be able to breathe and not worry. to be able to find comfort in not having to worry about bombs going off or trains exploding every day. America is a great place.
it's only when we are threatened and think we are weak do we think we are not patriotic and lazy. we are not, there are many many people out there who would fight for America but we aren't given the opportunity! our choices are limited...
Posted by: sectionOne at February 28, 2007 10:41 AM
Bored?
Sick and tired, fed up, had enough, you bet. If I woke up tomorrow and never saw or heard about an islamist again that would make my day. Now is not the time to tire, the islamist onslaught has begun. They are pulling out all the stops, their propaganda is seen in our major newspapers, magazines, books, movies and TV. They are trying to bury the truth but it won’t work. We need to turn up the heat, put the pedal to the floor and keep it there until we have succeeded. I said a long time ago that the anti jihad wave is building here in the west and it is. So don’t get bored get busy, they are scared, we have them freaking out. Keep them on the run, hound them to the gates of hell itself, never back down, never give an inch, as a matter of fact take a yard. Why do you think we see them pushing at us at every turn as of late? They have proven that in spite of what we hear they have no intention of melting in to our pot. Quite the opposite, they have brought their pot here and they want us to melt into theirs. Everything they believe in is in direct contradiction with our way of life. They don’t belong here any more than I belong there. The difference, I am staying home while they are coming here and soiling my country top to bottom. Enough!
at February 28, 2007 10:42 AM
The Islamists are striving to do more than make us bored with the whole fight. They are making those of us that were only lukewarm about Islam apathetic, the ones that are fearful and curious into "reverts" to their cause, making Liberals their allies in local, state and Federal governments.
And they are wearing out the resolve of the ones that fight them ideologically because words only go so far in war.
Personally, everything I'm planning for my own part of this fight from this point on stems around the entire idea of defaming and refuting Islam. I've been the hardliner around here for quite awhile. Well, it's going to get notched up to the boiling point from now on. If I'm going to get "bored to death" by this fight that seems to go nowhere, then I'll do it with honest fury.
Islam is invading our prisons, our elementary schools, our high schools, our universities, our television and radio, the blogosphere, our politics, our military, our lives. Too many people of all walks of life are "accepting" of this for too many "good" reasons, but that's exactly what evil requires -- "for good men to do nothing".
Well, I'm not a very nice man, so I'll fight the Barbarians.
And if I'm bored and tired and disgusted every day, I'll just do what I've always done -- drink more coffee and start again.
Posted by: Foehammer at February 28, 2007 10:44 AM
naseem struggles. that is what he/she does. it's part of the culture. nothing you can do to change it. he/she will never realize the curse. that's the way of Islam. by showing disapproval it only fuels his/her struggle and gives him/her strength. don't be drawn into it because you will waste energy. blow out the match and kill it with wet fingers.
Posted by: sectionOne at February 28, 2007 10:46 AM
Yeah, boring. Like it must have been boring for the Jews waiting in the bicycle stadium in Paris for days while the Nazis arranged transport.
Posted by: poetcomic1 at February 28, 2007 10:48 AM
"did you know that Islam does recognise caste only in the form of tribal distinctions"
...It seems to me, there is quite a lot the Islam does not recognize...like , the truth.....
at February 28, 2007 10:51 AM
Bored? Good heavens, I can't remember the last time I was bored. There is simply so much to learn, to study and ponder and then it takes time - and effort to bring others to the table.
Yes, perhaps there are times when interest in a topic wanes but then there are times I am caught completely off guard with side splitting laughter or given a burst of energy to explore . . .explore so much more. I have read more books in the last 32 months - with so much left to absorb and ponder stacked on nightstands and next to my easy chair, in my glovebox and I even carry reading material in my purse to keep handy in waiting rooms. With an active family, I take advantage of precious spare moments and craft each as an opportunity.
Bored? No - Exasperated. . .perhaps.
New York Times Smears "Obsession"
Newsweek Joins Islamists, Attacks Ayaan Hirsi Ali
I would charcterize my emotion as fed up with militant efforts of our msm to obscure and distort and defame with impunity. None the less, one of my children's physicians waiting office now has a copy of What Americans Need to Know About Jihad tucked inside their copy of Newsweek.
Posted by: justamomof4 at February 28, 2007 10:54 AM
Bored and angry that we have spend what little time we have in this life on earth dealing with these people that nothing better to do than to create problems for everyone else.
Think of mind power, the human capital that is being thrown away in another enterprise of spreading an ideology that no one really wants.
Where I live, folks in management positions don't even know who Nancy Pelosi is, let alone the problems with Islam....and they don't WANT to know. They are clueless and happy to keep it that way.They are overweight, over-stressed, over-worked, under-paid, people who have decided to throw in the towel. Their primary purpose in life is to be entertained either by their satellite tv or the latest tour of WWF RAW. They live for entertainment (bread and circus), drive pick-up trucks and shop at Wal-Mart.
If you locked them in a room and FORCED them to hear the truth - they would still be complacent or choose to deny the truth to maintain their 'comfort level'.
As for most Americans, "The Goobs" perfectly describes most of those that I personally know: they are disinterested and will remain so until someone blows up the power grid, thus forcing them to face reality and get their big behinds out of recliner and their minds in gear.
Posted by: Eleanor at February 28, 2007 11:02 AM
describe bored.
not exhausted from the monotonous Islamic repetition but rather weary kinda bored.
whereas I think muslims would like a reaction from non-muslims being bothered and sensitive to their issues but we aren't. we never will be. why can't they understand this?
if they want us to "understand" Islam then they first must understand us. right?
at February 28, 2007 11:06 AM
We'll see how boring I am when these islamists show up on my property.
I may just have to convert THEM.... via my shotgun.
Posted by: The Goobs at February 28, 2007 11:19 AM
Hugh writes:
"No one in the world could be as bored with Islam as I am, not even you, given my natural bent and interests and hierarchy of values. But it has to be discussed, until enough people understand what the whole thing is all about, and by helping them make sense, they can be helped to come to their senses."
What he said!
Wouldn't you rather be learning about something
interesting, like molecular biology, or advanced
math, or music, or even some not-so-stupid cult,
anything but this nonsense created by some
ancient Arab psychopath?
Could it be made interesting? Maybe. I wonder if
anyone has explored the idea that Lovecraft's
Abdul Alhazred was (allegorically) Mohammad and
the Necronomicon the Koran? Far fetched and full
of holes, yes, but anything to make this grim
topic fun!
at February 28, 2007 11:30 AM
Bored? Yeah, and that is dangerous...for MUSLIMS.
I'm bored with Karen Armstrong, with Naseem (That's not entirely true. Naseem DOES make me laugh at times.), with CAIR and with all the apologists who tell me I'm a bigot or misinformed.
I'm bored with all the stories of Muslims massacring one another and blaming the West for their own failures.
Sunnis can kill Shiites in front of me and I couldn't care less.
I NO LONGER CARE ABOUT THEM.
I do care about my family, friends, home, country. It is why Muslims who try to make me feel guilty for my concern are talking to the deaf. They have shown me that no good deed goes unpunished. Their future cries for help will therefore go unanswered, even in the event of an earthquake (the Muslim world has a lot of them - did the evil West deliberately install seismic disruptors?) or another tsunami.
Muslims have earned my apathy, my total disregard for their welfare.....and my boredom.
Posted by: PMK at February 28, 2007 11:42 AM
Bored! No you are tired of trying to save lives. This is why we are here.
History shows that for every clash such as this a butcher's bill must be paid. The sooner, the cheaper.
I am one of those who take a very dark view of human nature. Muslim's love to die, and so all the killing in Iraq of Muslims is good. Islam is a religion of death and darkness. Christianity is a religion of light and love. To preserve Christianity, we must defend ourselves otherwise our Faith makes no sense.
Read Andrew Roberts, The History of the English Speaking Peoples Since 1900. Islam is just another form of fascism, and such nonsense as the "left" has been with us for a long time. When push comes to shove, there have been members of the Anglosphere who have stood up and fought at the last minute. The scary question is whether we have time in this era of automation to wait for the leader we need.
All the work done on this site is to much avail. It is educating all of us to the real dangers of Islam, and eventually a real leader for the Christian West will be found, hopefully through education and dialogue rather than combat.
As Churchill said, "never give up, never ever give up" In 2007, we have several worthy successors to Churchill, some of whom are Robert Spencer, Hugh Fitzgerald, and David Horowitz.
Thanks for all you do.
Posted by: Crusader at February 28, 2007 11:53 AM
Nice one Hugh.
I'm sick of it too, but I can't let it go. One cannot love freedom, love art, love women....and NOT define oneself as anti-Islamic...unless one is terribly misinformed.
Posted by: Cornelius at February 28, 2007 11:58 AM
Not boring at all. We get to watch money, votes, religion, biological determinism, and demographics compete against each other to determine the future of the world. Much more interesting than the late 1990s, back then it was only money and votes; that was boring.
Very worrying, somewhat dangerous, but very interesting.
at February 28, 2007 12:03 PM
poetcomic1 says:
"Yeah, boring. Like it must have been boring for the Jews waiting in the bicycle stadium in Paris for days while the Nazis arranged transport."
Absolutely correct.
If one is truly bored may I suggest an active role in combating muslim terrorism, something beyond typing at a keybored?
Where are the five closest mosques to your home? Your work? Your Church/Synagogue? Are they sufi/sunni/shia/whatever? Who is the imam? What is his name (all spellings and variations which can number 10-20)? How many people show up for the various daily prayers? Thursday night/Friday day? Holidays? Is the number increasing/decreasing over time? Do you see many cabs parked outside? Do you see soccer-mom vans with blacked out windows? Are there always numbers of men using a cellphone incessantly? Do you have pictures of the imam & his inner circle? The mosque "caretakers?"
Posted by: Arm A. Geddon at February 28, 2007 12:08 PM
I'm bored as well, and have been for the last 30+ years.
Zonie Kafir raises a good point - Mecca's antipode is somewhere in the Pacific between Tahiti and Pitcarin Island. Tahiti - now that sounds like a place to settle for a different, but refreshing type of boredom. Anyway, Zonie, is that point on earth a point on land, or a point in the ocean? I'd hate to disrupt the locals, but that looks like the only place we can go (or the nearest land mass) to lead a Mohammedan free existence.
If it is a point on land, I'd suggest that we all move there. Also, on the exact antipode of the kaaba, have a major complex of toilets. Because when one is sitting on a throne, the shortest distance to the kaaba won't be any of the longitudes, but instead an imaginary line going right through earth to the kaaba, and that will be the direction in which...
After all, since we are such a microscopic minority wherever we live, if all of us were to move there, all these can't-wait-to-islamize places will be rid of us, and we'd be rid of Mohammedans.
A beautiful solution. And the oceanside view would be pretty as well.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at February 28, 2007 12:11 PM
"Because the Western world made a big mistake, over the past four decades, and now it is paying for it. And the Western world will, if something is not done, pay much more for that big mistake of letting into its midst, at the moment of maximum sentimentality and softness in the collective Western brain, people who do not and cannot wish that Western world, its legal and political institutions, well."
Perhaps its everyones place to bored of Islam at this point. It isn't our place as citizens of capitalis.... I mean, democracy to create illusions that we can actually make a difference on foreign policy anyway.
"Democratic" western nations are fueled mostly by the rich and powerful, rather than the "commoner". Don't let the title blind you from the truth of how capitalistic nations work.
And just for reference sake, the Western world made big mistakes long before your four decade time frame. You may want to look back onto European Colonialism during 17th and 18th Century. European powers have meddled in foreign affairs long before - on a quest for riches and power fueled by ethnocentric ideology. I'm sure few historians can argue that and I'm sure not much is different among these nations.
Take a look at European intervention in the Middle East after the first world war. Look at the exploitation of the resource rich region for Empire's sake (see British Empire). And the scope of exploitation of the indigenous peoples can be found world-wide - from the New World to Australia. But I'm sure most of you will sympathize for the "white-man's burden". It's time to tame the savage!
Oh, and let's not forget Western intervention for good ol' Saddam. Anybody wonder where he got those chemical weapons? That's the 5 million dollar question. And I can only imagine what answer you'll find.
In all fairness, Islam has as much elements of violence as does Christianity and Judaism. And blame the people all you want, but until any of you pick up a Quran, don't judge the religion. We all know how religious fervor can and has fuel violence in the past (see First Crusade, Albigensian Crusade Inquisition, Salam Witch Trails... etc).
And why are monotheistic religions so intolerant?
... its funny, so much information available on the internet, but most people stick to whatever information reinforces their own beliefs.
at February 28, 2007 12:13 PM
Foehammer,
How do you like your coffee?
Me? Double strength with warm milk and 1/2t of sugar.
I stir with a cinnamon stick on days when I need an extra
pick me up.
And I agree 100% with your approach.
Time to turn up the heat- defame and refute - as you say.
There's a Dewah table set up on the West Mall at UT Austin.
Wanna get together for some jo and refute some mo?
at February 28, 2007 12:23 PM
ha. Jihadwatch dating service, meet for coffee and... whatever.
Posted by: sectionOne at February 28, 2007 12:38 PM
Strange that boredom is even the word being used.
Posted by: Lame Cherry at February 28, 2007 12:43 PM
Anyone around here smell a non-paki troll? Or is the smell of cinammon obscuring my olfactory nerves?
Posted by: Malinois at February 28, 2007 12:43 PM
""And blame the people all you want, but until any of you pick up a Quran, don't judge the religion. We all know how religious fervor can and has fuel violence in the past (see First Crusade, Albigensian Crusade Inquisition, Salam Witch Trails... etc).
And why are monotheistic religions so intolerant?"" Posted by Red Sea
Because they are RELIGIONS and RELIGIONS are man-made to control populations of people with rules and fear.
TRUE faith in God does not require someone to tell you how many times to pray or how many times to go to the bathroom or whether you should do this or do that.
The WORD of God (which the sciptures say is Jesus Christ) - read that, do what HE says.
Problem is, PEOPLE want to APPEAR religious. To LOOK holy by doing this or doing that. Work-based 'religion' ALWAYS appeals to folks who don't want to give up pleasing SELF in favor of denying selfish desires and instead living for the Lord
Jesus said this about 'religion' (religious people).
"Even so ye also outwardly APPEAR righteous UNTO MEN, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity."
Matthew 23:28
THAT would explain how someone who CLAIMS to be religious can cut off people's heads or carve words into people's foreheads or tie bomb belts on their children - which by the way is child sacrifice.
"Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men".
Mark 7:7
Listen to religious leaders who are into power and forget having a relationship with God. You can't serve religion and GOD. People unfortunately, choose to serve SELF by religious 'behaviour'.
Posted by: The Goobs at February 28, 2007 1:03 PM
Yes, Islam is boring as are all the rationalizations of history that have been used to subjugate and exploit others in the name of God or some ideology. These rationalizations, belief-systems, are a predictable and boring aspect of human nature. Will humans break the pattern? Maybe.
Posted by: Frank at February 28, 2007 1:06 PM
remote_control,
I appreciate your Heraclitus post you made in the wee hours of this morning.
mm
Posted by: Malinois at February 28, 2007 1:12 PM
Arm A. Geddon,
You know, I never thought about "checking it out.." but, now that you mention it -- yeah! I think in the immediate vicinity there are 8 or more mosques, etc. (must do more research!)
That was an excellent post, Arm...
Although, I do tend to think it's too late for Canada (I just heard someone remark that in 1997 there was the grand total of 500 refugee applicants...and the number of "refugee" applicants for last year? 30,000 applicants. 30,000 and probably rising (these migrants are given every entitlement imaginable -- the same as any Canadian citizen...we have to change the laws, but I don't see any party willing to tackle the issue...thus, the situation will simply deteriorate.)
Posted by: J.S. at February 28, 2007 1:18 PM
Another thing, forgot to mention, there are pro-jihadist groups (organizations) all over Canada. I think the list of organizations who were representatives at the Supreme Court posing as "intervenors" (those who showed-up and opposed Canada's anti-terrorism laws) should also be duly noted and info kept.
Posted by: J.S. at February 28, 2007 1:23 PM
I'm not bored with Islam. I find that, thanks to it, I have to visit this very NOT boring website almost every single day, along with a few others, to see how our Muslims buddies are doing in their campaign to murder, rape, steal and lie their way to world domination. Every day brings another flurry of anything but boring stories about beheadings and bombings and incessant whinings about how poor Muslims feel put upon. My favorite part is the whining-so much variety in just this one category (Muslims feel oppressed in the US, the palestinians are apartheid victims, Iraq needs more money, etc.). And every day brings more threats of interest-Iran, palestinians, Taliban. Prior to 9/11 things were boring-most of us at this site knew little of Islam or gave a damn about it. Now we get plenty of interesting crap from it, unfortunately.
Islam boring? Never!
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at February 28, 2007 1:24 PM
I've never been bored in my life. Simply too much to do and experience and not enough time to do it. Besides there is something almost invigorating about having a large group of people who would be quite happy to cut your head off if only given the opportunity. Get a grip. The stakes are way too high for boredom. Take a week off, then get back to work.
Posted by: MP at February 28, 2007 1:24 PM
frank... good question. breaking a human pattern, is it possible? how can it be achieved? with 4 billion people it's not likely to happen easily. therefore should we focus on Homeland Security instead?
Posted by: sectionOne at February 28, 2007 1:26 PM
OFF TOPIC BUT MUST READ TO UNDERSTAND these people.
This is from a pakistani writer in the newspaper www.paktribune.com
http://www.paktribune.com/news/index.shtml?170259
The looming evil strike on Iran
Monday February 26, 2007 (1832 PST)
a.stag@shaw.ca
Never mind about the world’s men of peace and peace feelers as they don’t matter any more for the bellicose belligerents. Never mind about the moral grounds as money buys it all, right or wrong, in today’s world of sin. Never mind about your own expression of supporting the right in the media as this media may not be even read by ignore it all masters of the world. Never mind about the right peace path directed to America by the Democrats and sensible Republicans as one robot Bush, whose keys lie in Tel Aviv, is powerless. Never mind about giving any value to your wishful thoughts about peace and expecting change of heart in Tel Aviv or Washington D.C as the things may have already gone to the stage of no return. Never mind about reading even American media as it belongs to the dustbins of Tel Aviv. This media has already been dangerously brain washed to talk freely about dropping hydrogen bombs on a non nuclear Islamic Iran as if they were toys.
The decision making about strike on Iran, including the sinful nuclear strikes on a non nuclear Islamic nation lies in Israel and there is restlessness in that world controlling media about why the strike was not done yesterday and why it has not been done so far.
The world is very dangerous and is on the doorstep of world war three or Armageddon if the Shanghai accord steps in to save Iran as well as its own survival. Other wise it will be the slaughter of an innocent Islamic nation for now and later followed by finishing off of Shanghai accord along with the slightest possession of nukes by any Islamic nation. Russia and China must kiss their own survival off few years down the road if the looming strike on Iran does get carried through. The Armeda of carriers and firepower sailing in Persian gulf and around Iran is very formidable and can be poised for even nuclear provocation.
Israel prodded actions of Bush have passed the threshold where only a miracle can bring us back to where we were and aspire for peace again. The world faces a very grim Armageddon and some how the innocent weak had seen the other powerful to their rescue after tremendous damage. I would’nt want to live in or near Dubai, Sharjah, Ajman or even Abu Dhabi due to their very close proximity to strait of Harmouz. All these areas will be toast if things get too ugly.
And Pakistan, please hide your nukes as deep as you can where a nuclear strike cannot even damage them. Musharraf need not think that his buttressing with America or Israel will cause any sympathy with those Islamic nukes, which are the most undesired even for their existence in the eyes of the disguised friends.
The world faces grim dangers, even its survival, as result of nuclear strike. The world may die of financial crash beyond repair. The world’s economies may even become dysfunctional with wide spread death, economic collapse, famine, starvation and dog eat dog culture with doomsday scenario.
But, who cares as you can burry this planet to save one Israel, which already is overly saved from any dangers.
Pakistan, please embrace China for peace reasons. Invigorate your peace and normalization efforts with India as there is too much in common to compromise.
Try to save as much of Asia’s east and north of you along with self, if the west of you starts burning. Pakistan, please take your nukes as deep as you can under the most protective mountains in the world of yours.
The world will be lucky if it can reverse the shape of things to come as the threshold has already passed what it was before first or Second World War.
There is not much the world can do as the elected president of the world’s most powerful nation is just a robot with keys in Tel Aviv.
THE VERY WORD PEACE HAS BEEN BURRIED MERCILESSLY.
Attack on Iran will be crime against humanity only to feel sorry by all with sighs by surviving, if any, as such:
“WISH IT HAD NEVER HAPPENED”
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Posted by: Indiana_jones at February 28, 2007 1:31 PM
"In all fairness"
- from poster above
If only the parts equaled the sum.
at February 28, 2007 1:35 PM
Indiana,
Take a look at the e-mail address. I believe the author of this tripe is a Canadian (probably Pakistani). The e-mail address is from Shaw Cable television (.ca refers to Canada) -- Shaw Cable offers a cable Internet feature, along with e-mail accounts. So, it's a Canadian (or an immigrant) living in Canada, and posting an article to the Pak times. And, there's nothing new here. Typical clap-trap.
Posted by: J.S. at February 28, 2007 1:57 PM
Goobs,
I agree with you that faith and religion are very different (and often incompatible) things, and that religion generally causes more harm than good.
However:
The WORD of God (which the sciptures say is Jesus Christ) - read that, do what HE says.
Well, the Christian scriptures say that. There are lots of other sacred texts out there, and as an agnostic/atheist I think they're all equally unlikely to be the word of God.
Unfortunately, some religious scriptures are more likely to promote violence than others. Both the Old Testament and the Koran contain numerous justifications for committing all kinds of reprehensible behavior in the name of god, while the New Testament and Buddhist scriptures are far more benign in comparison.
Unfortunately, religious extremists of all faiths are prone to cherry-pick the parts of their holy books that they find convenient while ignoring the rest. Thus the Islamists emphasize jihad as the external struggle against infidels instead of the internal struggle for spiritual good; and thus the Christianists point out the Bible's condemnation of various sexual acts while ignoring the fact that it also regards eating shellfish and working on the Sabbath to be equally abominable. They're also likely to be anti-scientific Luddites (for example, their shared refusal to believe in evolution despite overwhelming evidence) whenever inconvenient facts contradict their shaky theological edifice.
One big difference between Christianists and Islamists is that the Islamists are far more likely to resort to violence to achieve their goals. However, their mutual objective - theocratic rule, enshrinement of their religious morals as the rule of law - is a fate worse than death for anyone who values freedom. Better dead than Red, Wahabbi Muslim, or fundamentalist Christian.
Posted by: mattbert at February 28, 2007 2:07 PM
Bored, no, a bit weary, yes. Islam is Islam and has been for a long time. The continuous war against Islam that we in the West are involved in, and have been involved in, to varying degrees, as the ebb and flow of Islam's sphere of infulence goes, should not present boredom, unless one has conceded defeat or does not recognize the war at hand, at all.
Weariness however, is ever more present, in light of the response, or lack thereof, from those in the West currently in power, willfully ignorant, continuing to stack the deck in Islam's favor.
Deal with them now, or deal with a more voracious strain of them later, but deal with them the West will most certainly have to sooner or later.
Hugh's points are well-taken. Militarilly, they will have to be dealt with, just not in the presently wasteful manner. Economic isolationism, towards those "staunch allies" in the ME, ever-willing to lend encouraging words of support, empty words that are rarely if ever backed up, is a most necessary step. Taking back our country, the US in my case, from those who have acted so, and continue to act so irresponsibly in the face of the overwhelming evidence, in the texts and applications of, the ideology of Islam. Those in power in government and in the media, purposefully misleading the masses, allowing Islam to creep further and further into western society and western nations, gaining a foothold at a time, step by step, a premise which should be completely alien , to the sane.
Wide open borders, unchecked immigration, demographic realities, growing jizya payments to Islamists through litigation, the absolute adulteration of our "higher" educational institutions....how can one not grow weary, encumbered by it all?
The West is soon approaching a critical decision, if Islam is to be quelled, a decision not unlike that experienced by Macbeth. The dream he had, wading waist high in an ocean of blood, when reflecting on the poor decisions he had made to this point, to not attempt to turn back the tide, but rather willfully conceding that it be easier to proceed to continue to wade forward to his own inevitable doom.
Until that time comes, keep thinking, keep writing, keep fighting, keep learning and keep teaching...Never willfully concede defeat.
Thanks for the essay, Hugh.
Posted by: awake at February 28, 2007 2:10 PM
"Inspired by Islam the Ummies rose up and became the Super Power"
Be very careful what you wish for, Naseem. Your so-called Ummah Super Power lacks one vital aspect that all other Super Powers have by definition. Islam's constant predation upon all other cultures will eventually force the hands of real Super Powers.
Once that happens, jihad will end once and for all time in a flurry of superheated gas and high speed neutrons. Only then will the luxury of boredom finally become available to those who are truly concerned about Islam's desire for global cultural genocide.
Posted by: Zenster at February 28, 2007 2:25 PM
"The West is soon approaching a critical decision, if Islam is to be quelled, a decision not unlike that experienced by Macbeth."
-- from a posting above
I'm not sure that Macbeth is the figure you want to invoke (even though I understand that Lady Macbeth is now running for President). After all, there are other bits of Shakespeare to invoke, such as: "There is a tide in the affairs of men/Which taken at the flood.."). Or outside of Shakespeare, for example, that untouchable Brahmin James Russell Lowell, who provided the words to the stirring hymn: "Once to every man and nation/Comes the moment to decide/In the strife of Truth with Falsehood/For the good or evil side?"
Or how about no literary figures at all. How about just saying that common sense requires that Islam be studied as a belief-system, without tears, without taqiyya, without tu-quoque, and that knowledge acted upon in time.
Posted by: Hugh at February 28, 2007 2:30 PM
Islam may be boring, but it holds at least my fascination like a train wreck choreographed by both Jacques Tati and Wes Craven -- at once sublimely stupid and hellishly horrible.
Posted by: remote_control at February 28, 2007 3:29 PM
I'm glad you enjoyed the Heraclitus, Malinois.
Posted by: remote_control at February 28, 2007 3:30 PM
Yes, a train wreck, remote! But, I also find that there are elements of unintentional high hilarity (at least I find this to be the case -- there are moments -- when the only response is to roll one's eyes and laugh -- I mean some of it is highly (yet unintentionally, I suppose) hilarious. (A few weeks back, or maybe it's been over a month -- there was some poster at J/W who was (I guess?) impersonating an Islamist -- I think it was designed to get the dander up of non-jihadists. Anyway, it was remarkably hilarious...unfortunately, I can't recall the name of the poster -- something with "---boy"?? It was even more amusing than the daffy posts from naseem.)
Posted by: J.S. at February 28, 2007 3:45 PM
I'm not sure that Macbeth is the figure you want to invoke (even though I understand that Lady Macbeth is now running for President).
-posted by Hugh-
Hugh,
My apologies for providing a literary example of the current situation that comparatively, I believe, the West is facing. I thought it was quite appropriate however, and besides, it's an excellent piece of literature.
Not the recent historical missteps of the West, but rather the response of the West to "right the ship", if you will, in dealing with the abject menace that is Islam, is what really matters. Macbeth gave in and gave up, in spite of consciense and common sense. This is not dissimilar to many in the West right before WWII.
Your affinity for "Lady Macbeth", or "Her Thighness" as she is cleverly referred to by Mark Levin, is duly noted.
Posted by: awake at February 28, 2007 3:58 PM
Yeah I'm bored to death all right - especially when I start counting my blessings that I don't live under Sharia law ..
If I think about the plight of women, gays and other groups under Islamic rule - I soon realise that boredom is a very, very, very small price to pay ...
Posted by: drk at February 28, 2007 3:58 PM
I think there should be daily ridicule of the RoP; I think there should be thousands of stand-up comics doing satirical routines of Imam X's latest musings; I think there should be novels written like that of nabakov's Pale Fire -- only in mockery and ridicule of the RoP; I think there should be a daily cartoon section; artistic caricatures; etc., etc. Now, that would definitely not be boring...
Posted by: J.S. at February 28, 2007 4:08 PM
Bored? Let's have some fun.
Someone compose a letter about the dangers of Islam. Make it short, concise and full of facts. Include a reading list. To make it easy lets be able to copy and paste it, even print it for those family members that don't have internet.
Send it to just a few and let's see how long it takes to go around the internet!! Send it to our representatives in Washington, family friends, etc.
I am lousy at writting and composing or I would start the letter.
We could even have a contest as to which letter is chosen!! Sorry no prizes just the knowledge that you are trying to save freedom.
Posted by: pvb at February 28, 2007 4:43 PM
I would not use the word "bored", but I think that there are many other important subjects to be concerned with today (feel free to draw your own list, mine would contain global warming, healthcare, the economy). I don't care a whit about Islam. Every neuron that I've used to store this or that hadith or Quranic verse is a neuron wasted in my opinion. I could not care less if Muslims decide that polio vaccines are against the will of Allah, or that it is okay to serve an animal with which one has had sex as long as it is served to a neighboring tribe, or that a black rock in Mecca is imbued with religious significance. I don't want to know about taqqiyah, al-insan al-kamil, uswa hasana, and the rest. None of it.
But, because our political leaders and our media steadfastly refuse to admit that there is any problem, refuse to admit that Islam and violence are in any way related, I am forced to continue to waste my neurons thinking about Islam. Because of their dereliction of duty, I, and other JW/DW readers are forced to study Islam, closely watch media reports for the consciously hidden signs of Islamic connections to the days' violent newsstories, write letters to the editor, and educate our friends and family. That's not even touching someone like Robert or Hugh or Hirsi Ali or others, who have devoted the majority of their day's efforts to spreading the truth about Islam. This is inexcusable. With a little bit of honesty about Islam, we could have avoided the 500 million dollars (so far) wasted in Iraq, "helping" the Iraqis. We could have kept that money for ourselves, used it for our own defense, used it to build real national borders, hire (non-Emirati) security for our ports, begun research on renewable energy. But because our leaders have chosen to continue to chant the idiotic "Religion of Peace" mantra, that money was instead wasted; wasted on people who want to kill each other and us too. And now, when Iran is actually taking the steps to create the WMD's that Iraq didn't have, we're hesitant to act.
I should not be reading JW. Bush should be reading JW. Cheney, Pelosi, McCain, Gore, they should be reading JW. It's their job.
Posted by: special_guest at February 28, 2007 4:48 PM
. . . ."wading waist high in an ocean of blood" . . . .
This choice of words in the context of an immoral Macbeth juxtaposed with the immoral and deadly choices made and being made by men of similar character conjures a real visceral human response that focuses the point: There will be a very real blood bath on American soil if Islam is not calmly contained and removed posthaste. Give the current course five more years of the same old same old and a bloody train wreck will happen. . . .
oceans of blood.
at February 28, 2007 5:01 PM
Red Seal,
One does not need to even touch a Koran. Go online, there are many informitive websites about the Koran. That is what the internet is there for.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at February 28, 2007 5:11 PM
Here's an old top 10 list from David Letterman from 2002:
Top Ten Signs Your Neighbor Is Hiding Mullah Omar
10) In his garage are a 1997 Mazda Protege and a camel
9) His last name is Schmidt -- the mailbox reads "Schmidt/Omar"
8) You turn on CNN and see your house in green night vision
7) Has bumper sticker "Al Qaeda members do it in caves"
6) The place reeks of goat
5) Comes over and asks to borrow a cup of sand
4) Driveway sign reads "Don't even think about parking here" in Pashtu
3) Claims the bearded, turbaned guy you saw is a Swedish exchange student
2) He declared a Jihad against crabgrass
1) His kitty is wearing a burqa
at February 28, 2007 5:35 PM
"500 million dollars (so far) wasted in Iraq, 'helping' the Iraqis...."
-- from a posting above
The actual figure, even if the American troops were all to be removed within six months, is in past, present, and future committed costs (to replacing regular, Reserve, and National Guard equipment that has been destroyed, degraded, or will be left, alas, in Iraq; to take care of 23,000 wounded, not to mention other kinds of care for many tens of thousands of soldiers who, demoralized by being sent on a mission to help those who did not appear to be unduly grateful for such help, but instead hostile, often murderously hostile, will need treatment, and other expensees as well), is about $750 billion dollars.
Not "500 million."
750 billion dollars.
This is the most disturbing correction in a posting I have ever had to make. Of course I know perfectly well you meant to type "billion" rather than "million." But I wonder about the public, and whether it quite realizes how much has been spent, and what might have been done with that money, on energy programs to diminish the money weapon possessed by the camp of Islam, and on propaganda to demoralize Muslims, and on educational efforts to make Infidels everywhere in the Western world, and in the entire world, aware of what the belief-system of Islam is all about.
God, it makes one furious.
Posted by: Hugh at February 28, 2007 5:51 PM
But, Hugh, isn't of that 750 Billion much of it goes to American corporations?
Consider other countries and *real* stupidity and squandering of monies -- Canada, for example. Just the other day there was a front-page article about giving away millions to Afghanis (many dirt-poor farmers) so that a road could be built and so that the Dhimmis figure the IEDs will be eliminated (that the new-found Muslim "friends" will no longer blow up Canadians), etc. This pay-out to Muslims occurs all the time -- both overseas in their lands, and here in Canada -- we pay Muslims. Because our "national hero" gets tortured by his fellow Muslim Syrians, or the Canadian immigration service is "just too slow" in getting Muslims into Canada -- it's costing us millions in law suits. I'm waiting for that terrorist slime-ball now held in administrative detention to be the next jihadist to be awarded millions for "wrongful detention" -- I'm willing to bet the scumbag will get "compensated." And, btw, this does NOT make Canadians "furious" -- it makes them self-righteous (they figure they're all so much better than Americans -- I have an opinon column written by a moon-bat, and it's this fellows contention that there has been no terrorist attack in Canada, because "we're nice to Muslims, unlike Americans." if you listen to the Canadian media (it no longer matters which station, tv or radio, or newspaper you pick up) it's all the same -- the same sorry b.s. about the mal-treatment of Muslims and what the Dhimmis must do to rectify the situation. The media is dominated by these liars...and you can't even get most Canadians even mildly perturbed...Canadians, for the most part, don't give a rat's a * ss.
Posted by: J.S. at February 28, 2007 6:27 PM
Special Guest
You are right of course in stating that we shouldn't have to worry about this, but this transcends another level as well. Right now, here @ J/W, one of the things we urge each other to do is to make ones commitment to confronting the Islamic threat at the top of our priority list, putting everything else secondary. For instance, I support tax reform, and normally, if I had to choose between Grover Norquist and say, Barbara Boxer, I'd choose Norquist in a heartbeat, since I am more likely to agree with him than with Boxer on taxes. However, in the current climate, given that Boxer was willing to recant an award to a CAIR supporter, while Norquist is probably a closet Islamist, I'd have to hold my nose in such a poll and vote Boxer, even though I otherwise think she is a moron.
I'd rather not be in a situation where I have to support people with whom I disagree on very significant issues, be it taxes, energy policy, education, the economy - to name the top 3, just because they (may) happen to be right on Islam. It is maddening to have to condemn people with whom I otherwise agree just because they are in bed with the enemy, while in some cases getting into bed with people I wouldn't otherwise be caught dead with.
If both the parties had it right on Islam and Jihad, none of us would have to hold our noses on other things - we could just support whoever we agreed with on other things, and not worry that if the other side came to power, they'd sell us down the Potomac.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at February 28, 2007 6:38 PM
What i am is tired of all the hillbillies yaking about thier cult of death.Over and over the same crap.
I am Fed Up with the failure to do anything about the cult of deaths actions.
If i go any further i risk censorship....lol,and thats okay.
i will just stick with the same old ....tick tock....monster rising rant.Because it's the truth.
When enough monsters decide to rise,well then we will have something new to chat about.Until then i play the worlds smallest fiddle for the horde as they cry and moan of thier imposed woes by the free world.
Remember jihad is a two way street.
Warning: Some people could possibly "take my post out of context" or i could be "misquoted".
at February 28, 2007 7:10 PM
Naseem somehow i doubt you wish the likes of me to visit the nearest mosque.
I will however salute your grand old God by flipping it the bird.
you are dismissed and may go back to your castle in the sky and continue dreaming till the crashing to the ground (reality)!
jihad on jihad.....tick tock.....monster rising....and all that jazz
at February 28, 2007 7:32 PM
Red seal, It is truly a huge mistake to insenuate that we are ignorant of islam and it's jargon. The crapola that we are 'misinformed' or uneducated about islam doesn't fly.In fact it is classic zombie chatter,it's a muslim escape route that is very well known.
Also if you want to mention the 'FIRST' crusade you must be talking of islams caliph crusade.The only reason the christian crusades took place at all was to stop the zombie horde from it's rampage.The same rampage that occurs today by the way.
Go ahead and list all the horrors commited by the christains.You know why it is good to list them? They were the past,the distant past.We have atoned for it many times over.The biggy is that we no longer act this way.
Too bad the same csan't be said for the zombies (muslims by the way)what they did centuries ago ,that caused the christians crusade, they still do today.They may have had some bumps in the road to ,maybe,slow it a little.Thats what islamic peace treaties are for though huh? To take time to become more powerful than thier enemy.I truly believe the horde chose the wrong time for such endeavors.It will be painful for many all over the world,but i dare say islam will take a mighty beating itself before all is said and done.
The zombie leaders won't even allow thier children to be cured for curable diseases because they think it's an American conspiracy.Because they sit around wringing thier hands about ways to do such ideas to infedels.They allow thier children to die.To me in reality it seems better for the kids to die than be warped by such things as islam offers them.
Islam isn't a giver it's a taker.Christians are all over the world giving to others,even muslims,the 'somewhat' enemy.
Prisoners of war under islam have a life span of however it takes them to torture them and film thier beheadings and then mutilate thier bodies.No chance for a prisoner in the zombie camp to complain of poor prison conditions.
The U.S. constantly hears how terrible thier prisons are for the poor little zombie.The meals they choose as their meals.The warm place to sleep,or cool in the summer.access to lawyers and other privalages.Thier torture is sleep depravation,humiliation.yes other methods are used but none comparable to that of the religion of peace.
Nope you are in the wrong place to fling out the accuasation or simply imply that we are 'ignorant' or 'uneducated' when it comes to the hooey os islam. YOU i believe need to do some more digging on islam.The truth kicks you in the teeth it's not like the women of the horde,the koran wears no veils.
I really do love it when people throw the christian crusades out on the table though it points undeniably to the truth of islam."Muhammad brings nothing new,what he brings is inhuman and evil. ( something like that )
And all that jazz.
Posted by: Dar al-harb at February 28, 2007 8:46 PM
Hugh said
Not "500 million." 750 billion dollars.
What can I say, all my neurons have been wasted learning about Islam, I got nothin' left to distinguish millions from billions.
I'll be happy when Robert can go back to teaching Comparative Religious Studies, or teaching English Composition, or writing the Great American Novel, or becoming a sketch writer for Saturday Night Live, or being a Hollywood leading man, or whatever he wishes, and Hugh can go back to teaching Russian Literature (in Russian) and Late-Romantic French Poetry (in French) and Macro-Economics, or heading a Wall Street investment firm, or being a U.S. Senator from the great state of (mumble mumble), or whatever he wishes, and Marisol can go back to whatever she wants, and I and pythagoras and Alarmed Pig Farmer and Infidel Pride and Caroline and americaningermany and DebV and all the other JW readers can go back to whatever it is we do.
And I take it back another brain-dead thing I said, about Bush, Cheney, Pelosi et al reading JW; they'll never know anything about anything. But there are alot of mid-level CIA and NSA analysts who should be very familiar with the information disseminated at JW. That really is their job.
at March 1, 2007 1:52 AM
Islam is boring but deadly. Like playing tic tac toe against an 800 lb gorilla while nursing a self inflicted hangover.
The concept of fighting people who use swords to behead their enemies 40 years after man first walked on the moon seems like a really really stupid nightmare. The fact that they are attacking us just seems insane. What rational person thinks that way? The obvious answer is that NO rational person would take on a civilzation so technologically advanced as the U.S. But alas, they are true believers in their superiority.
All we have to do is collectively identify Jihad as a threat, and the game is over. I think it will take about 10 years for the US population to get truly motivated and informed on this issue. Until then it is drip . . . drip . . . drip.
The truely depressing point about the 750 billion is that we wouldn't have spent any of the money on the things Hugh mentioned. We would be building highways to nowhere, funding research on the environmental impact of cow manure, and giving out more foreign aid.
This is depressing---I need a drink
Posted by: JSobieski at March 1, 2007 2:11 AM
Assalamau Laikum Mr Sobieski,
You say "The concept of fighting people who use swords to behead their enemies 40 years after man first walked on the moon seems like a really really stupid nightmare".
Well I agree that there are more efficient ways to kill...but I'm sure that is not your point. Killing is a precious waste of resource ...period.
It has to be a contextual thing though...for example...if you were to become a muslim...then there is no longer a threat....the question remains though is how to reconcile yourself to allah SWT....to pray to Allah SWT for forgiveness by coming into the fold so late.
Well this is very much an individual thing...but you CAN consider previous examples and role models.
Consider Muhd. Ali, Malcolm X or Muhd Usaf (aka cat stevens)...would you say that these previous infedels are stupid...well duh!...NO, they are intellegent articulate peoples ...so why did they convert...clearly they saw the magic light of Islam.....and there you are....if they can ...then you can.
And if enough of the Amerike peoples bahaved as I would want you to...the US would become an Islamic country ...and a superpower to boot...with nobody holding a sword over your head....it's peace all the way....what's stopping you?
Posted by: Naseem at March 1, 2007 5:55 AM
Naseem wrote:
"if you were to become a muslim...then there is no longer a threat"
An excellent response to the "way of the sword" approach of Islam as expressed by JSobieski. It re-affirms the position of those who created this site. Indeed, a useful idiot you are.
Naseem wrote:
"the question remains though is how to reconcile yourself to allah SWT....to pray to Allah SWT for forgiveness by coming into the fold so late."
Superb. Directly in-line with Islamic arrogance, completely unwarranted, but common nonetheless. I especially like the qualifier of Allah's "forgiveness" not being open-ended, as if this "revelation" was presented to you directly. Indeed, a useful idiot you are.
Naseem wrote:
"And if enough of the Amerike peoples bahaved as I would want you to"
This statement speaks for itself.
Naseem wrote:
"the US would become an Islamic country ...and a superpower to boot"
As is evident by the existence Islamic superpower countries today??? You're just an idiot there Naseem, not particularly useful.
Naseem wrote:
"what's stopping you?"
Oh, just common-sense, a consciense, sanity, purposeful ambition, happiness, etc, etc, etc. We really don't need the furniture that bad, now do we?
at March 1, 2007 8:45 AM
Having read all the above comments, I should like to enter my dime's worth:
AIG: You are sooooh cynical but I really learnt something with your explanation of the reason why so many blacks convert to Islam .. hatred of Whites .. it is soooh perceptive.
J.S.: Your reference to self-righteous Canadians hit the nail squarely on the head. They really do have a super-inflated opinion of their place in the world with their propensity to preach a lefty-liberalism, fawning do-goodism to the rest of us (while at the same time depending on the United States in so many ways).
J.S. Also your comment 'His kitty was wearing a burqa' ... I am still connotating all its possibilities, some not too polite!
Posted by: meekee at March 1, 2007 9:44 AM
" Canadians, for the most part, don't give a rat's a * ss."
Posted by JS
I am a Canadian and I DO give a rat's ass ! I am not bored with islam and muslims, but I have certainly learned more about them and their sick death cult than I ever wanted to know !
" J.S.: Your reference to self-righteous Canadians hit the nail squarely on the head. They really do have a super-inflated opinion of their place in the world with their propensity to preach a lefty-liberalism, fawning do-goodism to the rest of us (while at the same time depending on the United States in so many ways)."
Posted by meekee
Sorry that Canadians come across as self-righteous. Believe me, this is one Canadian who is eternally grateful to have the United States as our neighbour and friend, and who appreciates that when the shit hits the fan, we will be looking to the USA to help us and to protect us because our late, left leaning Liberal government destroyed our Armed Forces. I am not alone in my respect and appreciation of America, and I would thank you to remember that we are all fighting the same war against islam.
Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at March 1, 2007 11:50 AM
Keep connotating, Meekee.
Posted by: Know Your Enemy at March 1, 2007 12:39 PM
Nasseem you are definetaly a muslim this is for sure.The arrogance you emit is so putrid and undeniable.
I really liked the "act now before it's too late" islamomercial,like a cheesy two bit t.v. add.
"swords hanging over our heads", give me a break.Oh no us 'uneducated' and 'misinformed' infedels are gonna die by the swords of the 'mighty'ones,the "heroes and lions". HA,so laughable.Look out old women and little children here come the big bad men.
You know there are plenty of people that left islam for other faiths too.They just do not go towards islams direction.Wonder how woderful ex-muslims found islam? I wonder what they say about it?
As usual islam brings nothing new,and as usual islam proves it's worth once again.So much for NASEEMs sect of peaceful religion,what was it again? I read about it,you are a herectic.I haven't figured out yet if you are to be worse than sunni or shiite,christian or just other.
Islam doesn't tell me I tell islam.When they earn what they wish to take i will shut up until then know your place.You might dole out that arrogance little by little because in the future one could choke on such large portions of crow.
Now back to your closet.
at March 1, 2007 7:18 PM
Naseem --
Which would you rather receive as a gift:
1) 24 beautiful long stem red roses!
2) a basket full of 24 dead, decaying sewer rats infested with fleas.
Well, my current lifestyle represents the red roses, so why on earth would I want to trade them in for rotten corpses.
Not a chance!!!!!
Posted by: champ at March 2, 2007 2:26 AM
ISLAM = Dead, decaying sewer rats (in case you weren't too sure what I meant, Naseem)
Posted by: champ at March 2, 2007 2:30 AM
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