Jihad Watch: Fitzgerald: Cat's out of the bag

February 28, 2007

Fitzgerald: Cat's out of the bag

Those at the Emory Wheel are reduced to this transparent nonsense of Taqiyya and Tu Quoque. How else can they proceed? They know what is in the texts. They know what states, societies, families suffused with Islam are taught. They know the tenets. They know the attitudes. They are well used to the atmospherics. They just don't know how to handle those Infidels who also know those texts, those teachings, those attitudes, those atmospherics.

And there is nothing they can do to stop more and more Infidels, as they pick up their newspapers or turn on the evening news, from realizing how much of it is about this or that local manifestation of the worldwide and permanent Jihad -- which can only get worse, and examples of which will only proliferate. Those Infidels will find out, slowly and then more rapidly, in greater and greater numbers, about Islam. There is nothing Islamic apologists can do about this, try as they will to lie, or to hide, or to distract with irrelevancies, or by appeals to Western "guilt" and false claims of victimization. Islam itself, as the vehicle for Arab imperialism, is the most successful imperialist project in history, the force which caused whole peoples to jettison and ignore, or despise, their own histories, pre-Islamic or non-Islamic. In light of that, the raising of idiotic claims of "racism" will not forever prevent Infidels, Christians, Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, and all others, everywhere and not just here in this country, from finding out about Islam.

It's too late. Cat's out of the bag. The Qur'an is just a click away (www.quranbrowser.com). And so are the Hadith. And so is the Sira -- or you can read the texts about Muhammad, the Muslim texts, the texts of Qur'an and Hadith and Muslim Sira, and Muslim commentators and historians, with connective tissue and organizing principle supplied by Robert Spencer.

There is nothing these people can do about all that, except what they have been doing all along: "three Abrahamic faiths," "one of world's great religions," "hijacked" or "perverted" by "extremists," or adducing in support of this preposterousness a handful of Qur'anic phrases: "there is no compulsion in religion" (which does not mean what an Infidel who reads only those words would naturally take it to mean), and 5.32 but not 5.33 (Bush does it, Blair does it, even semi-educated fleas do it). Or if not the Qur'an, then one of the inauthentic Hadiths from one of the unauthoritative collections: Karen Armstrong loves the one about Muhammad returning from the "Lesser Jihad" of war to the "Greater Jihad" of domestic life, without recognizing that the hadith in question is not widely accepted as authentic. Why, I can write the Mosque-Outreach script for Infidels myself, and so can you, dear reader, and so can any man.

Here’s a case study, based on the posts of a Muslim who dropped by Jihad Watch a few days ago. He asked:

My questions to you are: Do you personally know any Muslims? Do you have any Muslim friends? Do you know about the Muslim experience in the post 9/11 America? Have you ever visited a Mosque? Have you ever been to an inter-faith event (e.g. poetry recital)? Have you ever read the Holy Qur'an or any of the other Islamic spiritual texts such as the works of Jalaluddin Rumi or al-Ghazali, Rabia al-Adawiyyah, Muhammad Iqbal, etc.?

The questions are misplaced. Many of the readers at this site have visited those Mosque Outreach exercises in Taqiyya-and-Tu-Quoque. Many have read the Qur'an, and have read and reread it, keeping in mind several things:

1) About 20% of it makes no sense, even to Muslims who know classical Arabic. See Christoph Luxenberg for one attempt to solve that matter of philology.

2) The internal contradictions in the Qur'an are resolved through the doctrine of "naskh" or "abrogation," so that, as in the systems of common law, where the doctrine of stare decisis ordinarily holds but later decisions, when different, cancel the effect of earlier ones (e.g., Plessy v. Ferguson is not valid after Brown v. Bd. of Education).

3) The doctrine of "naskh" allows the so-called Meccan suras, the softer ones, which were presumably the product of a time when Muhammad still felt the need for support and had not yet become as harsh toward Infidels as he became once he had taken control in Medina (Yathrib), to be cancelled or overruled or overturned by the much harsher so-called "Medinan" suras.

4) While there are more than 150 Jihad verses in the Qur'an -- though only 27 appearances of the word "qitaal" or combat, the most dangerous ones, such as those contained within Sura 9, are among the very last “revealed,” and hence possess great authority.

5) In English or French, as Western scholars of Islam familiar with the original texts have noted, the Qur'an's verses are far less harsh than they are in the Arabic. Many of the words involving the treatment to be meted out to Unbelievers, that is Infidels or non-Muslims, are of this kind.

6) The official Muslim groups tend to distribute the translations that are much milder than the real thing. Even those used by Muslims, such as that of Yusuf Ali, do not always adequately convey the real meaning. But that can be found usually in the notes, and it is important for Infidels to read those Muslim annotations.

7) The Qur'an by itself does not yield up its full meaning, and the Sunnah, that is the customs and practice of Muslims of the time, of Muhammad and the Companions, is the true interpretive aid, the essential means by which obscure meanings are teased out. That is why Muslims so often refer to "Qur'an and Sunnah."

8) Islam is a collectivist faith that does not admit of free exercise of conscience. That is, it will not permit -- often on pain of death -- individuals from deciding for themselves that they wish to leave Islam, sometimes for another faith, sometimes for no faith at all. That Islam does this makes it akin to other totalitarian belief-systems that do not tolerate anyone leaving that closed system. In a sense, a Muslim who leaves Islam is treated as a deserter from the army of Islam, just as someone who is persuaded to become a Muslim, even without any real understanding and with very incomplete (often deliberately withheld) knowledge, merely by reciting the single verse of the Shehada, is regarded as a recruit to the army of Islam, someone who has been signed up, rather than someone who has been carefully taught in order to save his individual soul.

9) Yes, not only have many of those posting here visited mosques during those phony Outreach Programs, but we have made it a point to attend those utterly phony presentations of Islam, in which none of the real questions -- about how Islam divides the world uncompromisingly between Believer and Infidel, and territorially between Dar al-Islam and Dar al-Harb -- ever come up. And of course there is never a discussion of Muhammad, that is of the killings of Abu Afak and Asma bint Marwan, the decapitation of the bound prisoners of the Banu Qurayza, the attack on the inoffensive Jewish farmers of the Khaybar Oasis, the tale of little Aisha, and so much else.

It makes no sense whatsoever, given the smooth taqiyya-and-kitman-and-tu-quoque so well-practiced and presented, for Infidels to attend any Muslim event without having thoroughly prepared themselves by learning about Islam, by reading the immutable texts of Islam, by talking to those who have grown up in Islam and left it, or those who, as Infidels, grew up in lands dominated by Islam -- such as Hindus from Bali or Bangladesh, Christians from Egypt or Iraq or Pakistan, Jews from Yemen or Egypt or Syria, Zoroastrians, what few are left, who have escaped from Iran, and so on. One can expect only apologetics from Muslims -- that is what our experience, individual and collective, demonstrates again and again. One can only take so much nonsense and lies, before even the most naive start to have things begin to make sense. They figure the whole thing out.

You offer, instead of honesty, a list of all kinds of irrelevancies. Jihad Watch is a pedagogic site. It is a site devoted to presenting all kinds of material about Islamic behavior and Islamic doctrine, and showing their connection. And it is also devoted to revealing the ways in which Infidels, in and out of the West, do or do not exhibit the traditional behavior of dhimmis -- that is, the non-Muslims under Islam who were allowed to stay alive, and even to practice, within severe limits, their non-Muslim religions, but who were subject to a host of economic, political, legal, and social disabilities that together amounted to a permanent condition of humiliation, degradation, and physical insecurity.

In conclusion, a few questions, in turn, for you.

Have you ever compared the treatment, meted out over the past 1350 years, in all the lands conquered by Islam, toward the indigenous non-Muslims, with the way in which Muslims have been received and allowed to settle deep behind what they themselves are taught to regard as enemy lines?

Have you ever given the slightest thought to the possibility that the belief-system of Islam, with its Total Regulation of Life and Complete Explanation of the Universe, was essentially akin to a totalitarian doctrine?

Have you ever wondered about, or gone to hear, or read the books of, the many brilliant and articulate apostates from Islam, including but not limited to, Ibn Warraq (Why I Am Not a Muslim), Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Ali Sina (whose site www.faithfreedom.org relentlessly offers arguments against Islam from those who finally left it, and in so doing found intellectual and moral peace), Anwar Shaikh (who has described Islam as a vehicle for Arab supremacism in "Islam the Arab National Religion"), and many others, the most impressive people born into Islam, thoughtful, articulate, coherent -- and being joined by other thoughtful, articulate, sensible people who through no fault of their own were born into Islam.

Eventually some Pakistanis and Bangladeshis and Indian Muslims may be able to slough off Islam as an ideology through a re-embrace of what could be seen as an original identity: that they were merely the descendants of Hindus, or in some cases Buddhists, who were forcibly converted to avoid either death or the onerousness of the dhimmi condition. Similarly, in the case of some North African "Arabs," they may recognize themselves as the descendants of the indigenous Berbers -- so many of whom, under the cultural and linguistic imperialism of the Arabs, were so arabised as to become “Arabs” themselves. And they not only became “Arabs,” but in turn to oppress the rights of those Berbers who still, steadfastly, have managed to resist the very arabisation that the ancestors of the “Arabs-from-Berbers” did not. Similarly, given how educated and intelligent Iranians are, including some who once worked to overthrow the Shah, they will come to see the use to which Islam is naturally put, the damage it has brought to Iran. This can be made to frame the incipient anti-Islam sentiments of many Iranians in national terms, see the primitive desert Arabs as having brought the “false gift” of Islam to the superior civilization of Persia. Discussion of what misery the Arab “gift” of Islam has brought to Iran, and a recognition by Iranian Muslims that they are the descendants of Zoroastrians whose last adherents are now so oppressed in Iran, might be one point of purchase to undo or at least limit the appeal of Islam. Have you given that Arab supremacism for which Islam is a vehicle any thought yourself?

And you ask, who has read the Qur’an? You should have asked: Who has read the Qur’an, the Hadith, and the Sira, should you not? In turn, one might ask: Have you read the Bible? Have you gone to a church merely to observe Christian worship? What do you know about the field of comparative religion? And would you allow other Muslims, your siblings or your children, to freely visit churches and synagogues and Hindu temples, and to read the holy scriptures of other faiths, and even to study those faiths formally, as many non-Muslims study Islam and the history of Islam? Would that be something you think should be encouraged for Muslims, both in Dar al-Islam, and in the Lands of the Infidels?

Tell us all about it.

Posted by Hugh at February 28, 2007 9:50 AM
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and when you begin to see it as we infidels see it -- when you see it as a social order designed to oppress, not as a private religion -- will you consider how your ancestors suffered and do what integrity allows you to do? think 15 times before teaching your children that the Divine spoke to Muhammed.

there is no God but God, and the warlord -- a man of lies -- had nothing to do with it.

Posted by: StillBreathing

at February 28, 2007 10:09 AM

"They just don't know how to handle those Infidels who also know those texts, those teachings, those attitudes, those atmospherics."

.....It infuriates those who would hope to lead you to your death....I love JW and other sources who are dedicated to truth....I learn a lot from the pro-posters and the con-posters....You get so much insight....

Muslims hate the truth....

...Ban Muslim immigration now...

Posted by: exsgtbrown

at February 28, 2007 10:21 AM

I recently posted on another site about the increasing use of the term "Islamophobia"

Islamic apologists don't like the term and point out that it's not even a word. However, the term has shown up in publications like Newsweek and others. I like to point out that everyone knows what this non-word means. Its use will spread, as the actions of Jihadists have spread all over the world. The more outrageous their actions and demands, the more the term gains meaning and the speading up of its use.

I have thought that since Islam is actually a theocracy, politicians would realize that they would be replaced by an Imam. However, I have come to realize that most aren't smart enough to realize this as they embrace Islam and its apologists.

Posted by: credit man

at February 28, 2007 10:46 AM

"politicians" bah...you need generals...

Posted by: exsgtbrown

at February 28, 2007 10:48 AM

Great article, Hugh. However, apart from these scary thoughts, I always ask (myself and others): what can WE, who are in the know, actually do? I don't want my now two-year-old to be married off in seven years because some loony thinks it's cool. Please write something on what the ordinary citizen can do. I doesn't help much that I know what's going on the politicians undo everything. Thanks.

Posted by: Eurodhimmi

at February 28, 2007 11:29 AM

Regarding "Islamophobia," I'm reminded of the quip, "Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean people aren't out to get me."

Fearing Islam, in light of the facts about it, seems quite prudent.

Posted by: Amy Alkon

at February 28, 2007 11:29 AM

Hugh, Robert, Marisol, you are our rock in times of trouble. Keep up the great work. Your flock are waking up. Watch us. There's organization going on in Canada that will spread your truth on a much wider scale. God bless you and keep you.

Posted by: hasvfidra

at February 28, 2007 11:34 AM

"There's organization going on in Canada that will spread your truth on a much wider scale." hasvfidra, will you let us know when you start the to spread the truth in canada?

Posted by: Eurodhimmi

at February 28, 2007 11:45 AM

It needs to be said Hugh, and few can say it better than yourself. Many thanks.

Recently in Quebec, Canada, an 11 year old girl was not allowed to play soccer wearing a hijab because it offended the rules of the sports association.

What was disappointing in the reasons given is that it failed to accurately pinpoint what should have been the major objection:

The kid represented the aggressive supremicist ideology that wishes to impose sharia upon a Western nation so what she is attempting is an abomination.

Multiculturism sure sucks and would leave us defenceless (the Little Mosque On the Prairie crap)

We infidels are in the house of war, according to our enemies. If that isn't reason enough to tear down every damned mosque in this house of war, then what is ?

Posted by: dgene

at February 28, 2007 11:52 AM

Wow, that is a powerful post by Hugh.

And to the Muslim who asked: "My questions to you are: Do you personally know any Muslims? Do you have any Muslim friends? Do you know about the Muslim experience in the post 9/11 America? Have you ever visited a Mosque?"... may I say first of all, that indeed there is compassion for the Muslim experience in the post 9/11 America. Indeed, to be looked at with suspicion, contempt and hatred is not a pleasant experience for anyone. It does put yourselves in a very difficult position. It must be horrible as a human. But look who is responsible for putting yourselves into that position. It is none other than your own people! It is Osama and those who believe in the qu'ran who have done this to you! And, yes, it is not good to be hated....and we as Americans know this because we are hated by you...to the point of getting attacked by you! And this in the context of being the highest service to your allah. That is, the suicide mission by your pilots is deemed the extreme and ultimate example of service to the god of Mohammed.

What are we supposed to think? You killed innocent men, women and children to please your god!? Mr. Muslim, that is not godly. That is reprehensible. So we find ourselves at a crossroads of values. You think it is honorable and pleasing to your god. We consider it cold-blooded murder. Our laws and world-view are ultimately derived from the definition of right and wrong as spelled out in Judeo-Christian scriptures. You consider these scriptures corrupted (though you offer NO PROOF)and you derive your meaning of good and evil from the source of Mohammed.

Yet you yourself can testify to the horrible effect that the actions of those who follow the qu'ran and were motivated by it to attack us--has had on your own families. Indeed it is a bad situation. You could even describe it as evil, couldn't you? Yet it stems from what you also consider good. That, my friend, is not consistent. That is confusion. Because you were raised a Muslim, does not mean that you cannot begin to take an objective look at things for yourself, as Hugh so effectively stated above. As an American, I am sorry for the suffering that you have had to endure as a result of 9/11. I would not want to trade places with you. But neither do I want to see my own family shot in the mall. And your religion teaches that such things are good.

Something's got to give. America is a great and powerful nation, blessed by God, and with a lot of resources. Hugh suggested that you go sit in a church service and observe the worship. I challenge you to do the same to see if indeed there is not a different flavor than anything Islam has to offer.

Have an open mind and look for yourself at what truth really is. If truth seems as if it is nothing more than the continuous hatred and spilling of blood, may I suggest that there more profound, richer and deeper answers you have yet to find.

And yes, I have Muslim friends whom I respect.

Posted by: angryeagle

at February 28, 2007 12:05 PM

Hugh,

Down boy, take some tranqs. While I agree with you, the commenters at Emory Wheel have doe a fine job collectively in response to the four students' editorial, debunking what passed for argument by the Muslim students.

Posted by: Conservatarian

at February 28, 2007 12:16 PM

re: ISLAMOPHOBE

Just remind them, whenever you encounter this "word", that Islam means Submission in English.

So Islamophobe is Submitophobe in English. The fear of submission to the cult. And any normal free person is afraid to submit to the bizarre belief system and control of these maniacs, and is free to fight back.

Posted by: Abraham_Lincoln

at February 28, 2007 12:25 PM

Here comes the predictable backlash (ie, lies) against Hirsi Ali and all those previously politically-correct writers who praise her book.

http://www.democracyarsenal.org/2007/02/getting_muslims.html

Posted by: sonomaca

at February 28, 2007 12:28 PM

2 points: Islam is not the superior empire builder as their empires failed. Communism in it's various incarnations though is as the Soviet Union did not disappear as it's agents just took control all across Europe and became National Bolsheviks who are now using as proxy Islamocommunists in Iran, Syria and the Zawahiri faction to weaken the west to enslave it.

Second point: The MSM has an affinity with the people behind Islamocommunism as the banks control their paychecks and their corporations. They sympathize with communism/socialism where elites rule the stupid red state masses and they want the defeat of the western Republic.

Keynesian, American socialism of huge government stealing people's wages for benefits, the destruction of Christian ideals.....

Islam, Khomeini communism bin Laden fascism, the destruction of the Great Satan.....

Same system and agenda with the same linked operators behind for the same result.

Posted by: Lame Cherry

at February 28, 2007 12:40 PM

Hugh- People are no longer naieve re Isalm. You are speaking for many when you note that

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Every nation, every empire in history has been established by violence against some recently "native" peoples, including the extermination of the native culture, and the extermination of the "natives" who resist parting with their their "indigenous culture". Usually "religion" (but more recently ideology) is the rationalization for the subjugation, exploitation and killing. This was true of the Chinese Empire, Spanish Empire, Aztec Empire, etc,-but it was especially true of the Arab Empire. (Even America, which was largely wilderness, was established in this pattern).

The behavior of the Arabs is (was) very similar to the that of the Spaniards in the New World. The Arabs and Spaniards of 1492 both dehumanized the unbeliever and thus made their killing and exploitation a religious duty. However, Islam is the most effective rationalization and tool to that end. Islam is the perfect rationalization for imperialism, and makes it "holy". Hitler and Himmler both noted that about Islam and said it was the perfect "religion" for that reason.

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Hugh- People are no longer naieve re Isalm. You are speaking for many when you note that

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The behavior of the Arabs under Islam is (was) very similar to the that of the Spaniards in the New World. The Arabs and Spaniards (of 1492) both dehumanized the unbeliever and thus made their killing and exploitation a religious duty. However, Islam is the most effective rationalization and tool to that end. Islam is the perfect rationalization for imperialism, and makes it "holy". Hitler and Himmler both noted that about Islam and said it was the perfect "religion" for that reason.

Posted by: Frank

at February 28, 2007 12:52 PM

I messed that one up.

Posted by: Frank

at February 28, 2007 12:53 PM

That link above from sonomaca leads to a Muhammedan Taqiyya doctor named Shadi Hamid, who tries to smear Hirsi Aly.
The usual: An ex-muslim cannot possibly know what Islam is all about and since Aly Hirsi is a person 'nobody likes'- there shouldn't be anybody listening to her.

It won't take much by some of our well prepared Jihad watchers to rip the smears and the dissemination to shreds...

Posted by: sheik yer'mami

at February 28, 2007 1:35 PM

Picked this up on Ali Sina's site a while ago. It is from an ex-muslim:

Turnspeak, lies, deflection and taqiyya:

When trying to debate with Muhammedans you will end up frustrated and exasperated: Muhammedans are masters of a technique called ‘turnspeak’-

*
they use Tu Quoque (’you do it too-arguments) ‘accuse the accuser’- they employ kitman & taqiyya (lies & deception and dissimulation) they deflect away from the subject matter to avoid getting nailed on the unpleasant things like the atrocities, the rape, the plunder, slavery and child-molesting of the ‘profit’ Mohammed and his companions. Inevitably, if you know your stuff-, they will threaten to kill you and tell you that you will go to hell for questioning their belief-system.

Expect this and prepare yourself accordingly:

Criticizing Islam? Get ready for this:
by Infidel

Whenever you criticize anything related to Islam, Allah, Muhammad, Sharia laws or muslim community, you will find a refutation immediately. To refute something is OK but the way muslims refute is funny. Here are some most common ways of a muslim-refute, the order may change depending upon your and muslim’s caliber:

1. First of all, muslims will say, “This is false information”, “This is a lie”.
Whatever you say is wrong and whatever they say is only right.

2. Next step is Taqqiya. i.e. “Islam means peace”, “Islam was not spread by sword but love”, “No compulsion in religion”,

3. If you quote from Koran or hadith, you will be accused of quoting verses in bits and pieces.

4. And be prepared for accusation that the verses you quoted are twisted and out of context.

5. If you provide reference to your quote, then muslims will say “All your references are false and lies”, which implies only their references are true and correct.

6. You will be advised to “Read the koran first and you will see the light”

7. If you say you have already read it then they will doubt you as if you are a liar.

8. If you quote full verses (not bits & pieces) from koran and hadith, your translation is incorrect / misleading. Then you will be advised to learn Arabic and read the the original version.

9. If you say, I read the same Koran with most authentic translations, which muslims are referring to, then you will be asked “Did you read only the cover?”, “Read it with open mind”

(Read with closed mind, like a muslim reads by keeping their brains aside)

10. Besides your reading of the translated Koran or even though you know Arabic, if you quote from the Koran, they quote hadith, tafseer etc, but if you quote hadith, then they will say “Only Koran is authentic”.

11. Deflection: After all this, if you are still willing to continue, they will distract you and other readers from the original issue/topic and feed you with plenty of irrelevant issues.

12. If you are still sticking to the original issue, Muslims will refer to other religions’ scriptures like Bible, Torah, Vedas, Geeta etc and other events and personnels like Bush, Blair, Indira Gandhi, Iraq, Lebanon, Palestine etc.

13. Be prepared for one or more muslims to showing their way of convincing, such as Copy & paste stuff or reference from crap Islamic sites. This includes verses from Koran & hadith, twisted facts from non islamic holy scriptures like mohammad is prophesized in all of them.

14. In this context, one or more muslims will write about Miracles in the Koran. Remember that whatever is discovered in recent time, Muslims will attribute it to Koran, but they will keep quite till it is discovered. They will never talk about the fallacies in the Koran like the “Sky is a dome on imaginary pillars”, “ the Sun sets in a muddy pond”, “the sun is revolving around the earth” etc. If you draw their attention to these fallacies, they will copy and paste crap again which is totally illogical and irrational. You will be again advised to read Koran.

15. You are about to loose your patience but still continuing, then comes personal attack. You will be abused as fool, stupid, idiot, pig, dog etc

16. If that does not work, then there will be accusation of taking money for your criticism of islam. You may get this also “Western media is biased, its propaganda to defame islam, Islam is wronged by all non muslims” etc.

17. If you don’t stop there, then muslims will run for your mother and sister.

18. If you are stubborn and still want to continue, you will be cursed like “Burn in hell, you will repent on last day, still time to seek the truth” etc

19. Towards the end, when all of the above has failed, you will be threatened directly like, “beware, watch it, keep cool, my sincere advice” or indirectly like “Give me your email id, don’t hide behind a false name, you are a coward (since you have a false id on the net), Then you might get an invitation to go to debate one to one or visit mosques or Islamic centers like Islamic Research Foundation in person” etc.

20. And finally- its drum beating, for all Muslioms, as if they won a debate, even when they lose miserably, because Koran is the word of allah.

Since the Koran is allah’s word and is clear to understand and is for all man kind, for all time and for all places, why there are hadiths, tafseers and commentaries?

Why various sects of islam and clerics are understanding it differently,

While Koran is very clear and for all to understand?

Why some verses are for a particular place and time, i.e. 1400 years ago and for the Arabic peninsula only, while the Koran is for all time, for all places and for all mankind?

Why there is Abrogation, later verses of the Koran supersede earlier ones? Was allah not able to reveal it at first time or did he change his mind time to time to suite muhammad’s needs?

Why is islam, being the only true religion, not able to be in majority, leave alone the only religion (as they claim) on the face of this earth, even after more than 1400 years since ‘revealed’ to muhammad?

Posted by: sheik yer'mami

at February 28, 2007 1:43 PM

sheik yer'mami-

I can't figure out how anybody with a conscience could try and smear her. It is because of their belief-system that this very attractive woman has been a victim of mutilation. These scumbags have no conscience. All that matters is their rationalization for exploitation, deception, and worse (aka Islam).

Posted by: Frank

at February 28, 2007 1:44 PM

Let's not forget, also, the heretical "Gospel of Barnabas":
http://www.barnabas.net/chapter_index.htm

which is their largest volume of misguided information on Christ

Posted by: Occupant

at February 28, 2007 2:53 PM

Hugh:

Excellent post!

sheik yer'mami:

Thanks for Ali Sina's commentary.

Posted by: Webler

at February 28, 2007 2:58 PM

These are the some of the left media's favorite apoligists/liars:

Salim Mansur, an associate professor of political science at the University of Western Ontario in Canada;

Shadi Hamid, a master's candidate in Arab studies at Georgetown University;

Asra Nomani, an author and former Wall Street Journal reporter;

and Shaker Elsayed, the Imam of Dar al-Hijrah, a mosque in Northern Virginia.

Posted by: sonomaca

at February 28, 2007 3:31 PM

angryeagle (nice job) -

I would have them drop back even further:

PROVE to me that your Qur'an was narrated by Gabriel, as opposed to Satan ...

Posted by: Occupant

at February 28, 2007 3:52 PM

Hi Hugh,,

Yes,, I think people are finally figuring out that the "religion of piece",, means,, "cut you to pieces".

Here is Alcohol/Cabbie JIHAD in Bloomington,, Illinois.

Wonder if the powers that be, will find their backbone,, or cave to dhimmitude,,

http://www.lacrossetribune.com/articles/2007/02/28/mn/03min.txt

But,,, read the COMMENTS after the article,, ROBERT,, HUGH,, and everyone else who transmits,, DANGER when ISLAM is mentioned,, the word is getting out there!

This one is great,, the guy's name is Mohammed Shahid,, LOLOL,, (methinks probably a apostate)

>>>Mohamed Shahid
wrote on February 28, 2007 12:32 PM:
"Get rid off these stone aged Muslims and ask them to go home where they have Sharia & Law. Why are these barbarians want to come to U.S.A and Europe. Islam should be defeated otherwise we loose this civilization. So do not obey any muslims."

>>>>>>>>

ISLAM = BAD and THEN SOME!!!

)0(

Solsticewitch13

WICCAN FREEDOM FIGHTER (21 Century of course,, LOL)

Posted by: solsticewitch13

at February 28, 2007 3:57 PM

So Islamophobe is Submitophobe in English. The fear of submission
A. Lincoln

Got a good one there. I 've looking for phrase for a T-shirt that would get the point across to someone who understood but was not obvious enough to generate a Sudden Jihad Syndrome. Mind if I use it?

Submitophobe: unreasonably afraid of submission

OT I had to laugh today when Rush Limbaugh was talking about the unidentified foriegn student with the bomb and white powder at the U of Missouri. He used the phrase could it be "sudden jihad sydrome"?

Aunt Bea

Posted by: auntbea

at February 28, 2007 4:44 PM

Before comparing the violence of of Islam with Judaism and Christianity, maybe you should learn about them. My theory is that the degree to which a person insists that Judaism and Christianity are comparable to Islam is directly inverse to the actual amount that they know about each religion. For a Jew's point of view, visit http://www.masada1234.blogspot.com - a blog about Israeli and World politics.

Posted by: Bar Kochba

at February 28, 2007 5:23 PM

All I know is Islam is in China and I assure you, they'll kill everyone of them before a protest against the republic breaks-out. It's amazing to watch how peaceful they are on television in China, I guess the Republican Guard is back-stage with rifles ?

Posted by: Jeff

at February 28, 2007 6:01 PM

At lunch today my Thai friend and I decided that Islam's appeal is that it promises its adherents instant power by belief alone. Sort of the way the lottery promises instant riches.
Of course, in the end it doesn't deliver, though the end can take a long time, unfortunately. Not too many people like Ali Sina or Hirsi Ali out there to hasten it along.

Posted by: jewdog

at February 28, 2007 9:20 PM

It's too late. Cat's out of the bag. The Qur'an is just a click away

TOO TRUE,TOO TRUE

Just google any of the following

Al-baraqah 2.65

Al-Maidah 5.32

Al-Habzab 33.26

Al-Israa.17.1

And more is coming

Posted by: shiva

at February 28, 2007 11:14 PM

Hugh, Thank you for combining all the essential aspects of Islam that are not being addressed by the average person/media outlet, and fitting it all nicely into another brilliant post.

Posted by: Xero G

at March 1, 2007 1:48 AM

I am having so much fun at utube. You are right there are so many sites and it is so much easier to learn about Islam. They have no answers when you quote 'chapter and verse' When they tell me it is out of context I invite them to explain it to me. They then post a video with some madman sprouting. More often than not I send a personal message asking nicely if they can put me in touch with someone who can teach me.........silence....

Posted by: shinagirl

at March 1, 2007 3:28 AM

WARD CHURCHILL is still a slug...

Posted by: exsgtbrown

at March 4, 2007 1:21 PM

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