Meanwhile, the entire Western world, or at least its governments, seems entirely uninterested in supporting websites that attempt to counter the propaganda of those in the Camp of Islam. Why is that? Why aren't we given, by the American government, the time of day? Why is it left up to ragtag irregulars, who have to stop to plug up leaks in the roof, or spend half the damn day getting a car fixed, instead of doing what they could and should be doing? What does the Pentagon spend its mad money on?

Posted by: Hugh at February 28, 2007 9:40 PM

Let us Infidels use the internet to combat Jihad! Visit http://www.masada1234.blogspot.com and help support the only democracy in the Mid-East!

Posted by: Bar Kochba at February 28, 2007 9:53 PM

OT, sort of.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/121712

Posted by: Carolyn2 at February 28, 2007 9:56 PM

"All these groups, with the exception of Munazamat Fursan Al-Jihad and Inhiyar alDolar, have Web sites of their own through which they recruit volunteers to take part in electronic attacks, maintain contacts with others who engage in electronic jihad, coordinate their attacks, and enable their members to chat with one another anonymously."

I would hope that "[a]ll these groups" are being monitored very closely by the FBI and other security organizations. Disruption of the Internet represents an ability to interfere with vital digital functions like this nation's online business and corporate email. While electronic jihad may be aimed more specifically at anti-Islamic web sites, the irrationality of Islam makes for a witches brew of potential targets. Clothing retailers whose apparel is deemed too revealing, alcohol distributors, grocers selling haram foodstuffs, the list is endless.

Time and again, it has been proven that no individual, group or organization is immune from Muslim attack. The decentralized nature of jihad and tendency of individual Muslims to be arbitrarily activated by Sudden Jihad Syndrome all make for a nearly random element in attempting to anticipate where their unwanted attentions will be directed next.

Internet anonymizer services may well need to be recruited through government request or force of court action to unveil (as it were) those who participate in these jihad web sites. Feel free to keen about further erosion of our rights to privacy, but be sure to place the blame squarely where it belongs. Islam, and Islam alone bears sole responsibility with respect to the continued need for increasing government intrusion upon our daily lives.

This obscene inverted form of nanny state is a direct result of our military's inability to engage Islam with Total War. Much of these problems and the general degradation of quality in our daily lives could be reversed rather smartly by limited but devastating responses to our Islamic enemies. This sort of deterioration in the quality of life within our own borders will be a contining fact so long as we refuse to counter Islam's constant predations upon our culture and national security with direct and overwhelming military response. We deserve better and Islam deserves far worse.

Posted by: Zenster at February 28, 2007 10:00 PM

Hey, it doesn't matter if it's a US soldier, an Israeli, a guy who just got out of a cab, a woman in the mall or a website, a muslim will kill anything...it's all they know and what they do best. (When are they going to actually join the civilized world instead of just trying to destroy it???)

Posted by: angryeagle at February 28, 2007 10:13 PM

Germany:

http://sheikyermami.com/2007/03/01/germany-again-ex-muslim-spokeswoman-islam-is-inherently-radical/

http://sheikyermami.com/2007/03/01/jihad-in-germany-german-tv-shows-reality-instead-of-peecee/

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at February 28, 2007 10:14 PM

I've wondered about this site and attacks on it. There must be considerable interest in taking Jihad Watch out, even though it's not a financial or political target -- these people are programmed not to think but to go nuts at any "insult".

Really, education and truth about Islam for the Modern World is the most dangerous thing those people face. Eventual financial collapse of the Middle East (except for Israel, obviously), endless self-consuming wars amongst themselves, the end of appeasement and jizyah from the infidels, end of immigration to the Modern World, and the end of Saudi Arabia's Soft Jihad, will be the ultimate result. The end of jihad is all about education and people taking action in decisive ways with only a little very precise and decisive military action required, backed up by an educated voting public.

America should be directing its efforts towards these hackers and implimenting as many preemptive strikes on them as possible. Even weapon strikes, quite frankly. If you have a "War on Terror" then it doesn't matter where they live. Their harbouring countries will back down and appease the United States if the United States doesn't back down. What are they going to do? Sanction America? Good luck with that.

Posted by: Abraham_Lincoln at February 28, 2007 10:18 PM

Not to mention they love to use Myspace and Youtube to get out their terrorist propaganda. And nothing is done about this. I have documented this here:
http://markedmanner.blogspot.com/2007/02/islamic-radicals-on-myspace.html

Posted by: markedmanner at February 28, 2007 10:18 PM

YouTube and Myspace are owned and run by snivelling cowards. YouTube gained its status through intellectual theft and criminal activity and copyright infringement. It is the premier example of the failing of the United States Attorney General not to shut them down early on and make an example of what happens. The made the same mistake with Napster.

Of course they're not going to do anything at YouTube -- they are thieves and cowards to begin with, and were allowed to prosper at the expense of artists and legitimate businesses. Thieves and cowards will do nothing to stop jihadists and will actually enable them to do what they do.

Posted by: Abraham_Lincoln at February 28, 2007 10:28 PM

I guess denial of service attacks are better than homocide bombings...

But then again, any Muslim bright enough to operate a computer probably wouldn't purchase a one-way ticket for the Paradise Express anyway.

Posted by: Cheeky Human at February 28, 2007 10:31 PM

markedmanner:

Thank you for the YouTube/Myspace blog. Please keep it current and archive everything you can. Sooner or later, we'll have a Sudden Jihad Syndrome incident that can be tied directly to "inspiration" from what the jihadist saw on YouTube or Myspace. The owners of YouTube and Myspace both have deep pockets and would make wonderful litigation targets. After either site got sued for a substantial amount of money, they'd start policing their content and weed out what can only be described as criminal content not worthy of First Amendment protection.

Posted by: Bad_Attitude_Infidel at February 28, 2007 10:42 PM

I surely will. Jihadist propaganda is not hard to find at all on myspace. I could probably find hundreds of profiles if I had the time.

Posted by: markedmanner at February 28, 2007 10:51 PM

Slightly off topic:

"For example, after a midair collision between a Chinese fighter jet and an American spy plane on April 1, 2001, Chinese hackers spread a malicious "worm," known as the "Code Red Worm," which infected about a million US servers in July 2001 and caused some $2.6 billion worth of damage to computer hardware, software, and networks. "

Did anything ever happen as a result of this communist attack upon American interests? I'd sure like to think that our military has its own cyber-warfare unit that can retaliate against such electronic incursions. $2.6 billion ain't chickenfeed. Some pain should have been felt after trying to damage the American economy like that.

Posted by: Zenster at February 28, 2007 10:54 PM

It is important for all of us to protect ourselves from the electronic jihad, just as we protect ourselves from physical jihad.

This site offers us a good measure of protection through anonymity, but you can bet that someone is trying at least once a week to break through and find out who and where we are.

There are many examples of data files being "lost" or "stolen" with names, social security numbers, addresses, etc. These losses have occurred from banks, business lists, veterans administration records, active and reserve military, insurance companies, etc. Some of these losses, often from lap-tops, have been under suspicious circumstances. Hell, even the FBI has lost over two hundred laptop computers. Think about THAT!

So, what do we do to protect ourselves? Here's my list:

Use computer passwords that cannot be cracked with a "dictionary" program. Do not let your computer "remember" your passwords if that can be avoided.

Use multiple bank accounts, and do not link them. Debit cards should be attached to an account with a minimal balance. Do not use "easy" transfer methods, like telephone drafts. For example, I tell my bankers, that (except for one account) I will not allow withdrawals except in person "even if I have to be brought in on a stretcher." Use real checks to transfer money. Avoid automatic drafts, as they will trip you up if a system partially fails.

Be careful of using a laptop in a WiFi area, as some eavesdroppers can steal passwords and acount numbers.

It is only a matter of time before a banking system is taken down, disrupted by hacking or by a run during a terrorist attack. So, keep a supply of cash on hand, even though it does not earn interest. Keep the bills up to date, as during an economic emergency, the government may refuse to honor older currency. The U.S. is in the process of updating all of it's paper money. It is being counterfeited so fast (mostly by North Korea and Iran) that we are making subtle changes almost quarterly. Take a good look at your money. Use smaller bills: tens, twenties.

You may think this is extreme, but let me tell you that I went to withdraw some cash last week to pay for a car I was buying. The bank, a branch of a large national chain, COULD NOT honor my request for eight thousand dollars. They knew I had more than enough on deposit, but they just did not have the cash on hand. They said they could give me TWO thousand, but offered to call a nearby branch to SEE if the other branch had enough. NO! I had to max out both branches to get that much cash.

Can you imagine??

This was an eye-opening experience. I have never witnessed such vulnerability of a respected national bank.

Suppose there was a terrorist attack, and everyone hit the banks to get cash to buy the food and supplies they forgot to store. Those banks would be out of cash before you could get there. If the electronic transfer systems (i.e., credit card systems) were corrupted, you couldn't buy anything. Keep some cash in reserve.

Report suspicious emails to your Internet Service Provider. And don't buy ANY computer equipment from a muslim. You never know what kind of programs may be hidden inside.

Stay alert. There's a war on.

Posted by: texan at February 28, 2007 11:17 PM

This project - Internet Haganah - has been on the front line of the jihadonazi cyber war for a long time now. Those interested see the site at:

http://internet-haganah.co.il/haganah/index.html

Of similar focus and potential interest - society for internet research at:

http://www.sofir.org/

Posted by: TINBH at February 28, 2007 11:22 PM

I read it all - some parts twice.

For the life of me, most of the impassioned forum chatter quoted sounds like high-school age teens.
Novices, but in a pack, possibly still dangerous.

I have more concern about the ones who don't chatter back and forth. They're the real pros.

Posted by: Occupant at March 1, 2007 12:05 AM

It's just plain ignorant to think the West will collapse from jihadi cyber attacks.
It's barely over a decade since the computerization began in earnest...(I got my first one in 1993)...and when my 3 computers recently took a dump at around the same time, I did not suffer for lack of a machine during the long time it took for budgeting in replacements.
They must think we've forgotten how to get back to basics, or that we have no plans in case the system drops out.
By twice attacking the WTC, the jihadists revealed their aims just as seen on their websites...but there was no collapse of financial markets after 9/11 and there will be no collapse after any cyber attacks either.
Do these brainless "hackers" really believe we can't function without computers, banks or paper money?
Do they think we've learned nothing about protecting ourselves since they started this war?
(It's good preparedness policy to own some gold and silver coins.)

I gotta agree with Cheeky Human...LOL.

Posted by: HawkWatcher at March 1, 2007 2:34 AM

Almost certainly true.

Last year I downloaded an academic piece from somewhere on the web which was highly critical of Islam and with it a virus that wrecked my computer. The specialist who did the repair said it was one of most aggressive he had ever encountered and it even attacked the cleaning software.

Posted by: Fred at March 1, 2007 5:32 AM

I have read two or three complaints about having to sign in through TypeKey more than once. Y'all remember a few months ago when JW/DW was shut down by multiple posts from a Troll. That is why our sign-in expires; it is done to reduce the possibility of interruption. It is a small annoying inconvenience for us that represents the tip of the iceberg. When you are required to sign in several times in just a few minutes, say a curse to the cyber jihadists.

Posted by: Pelayo at March 1, 2007 6:09 AM

AmericaninGermany, namecalling can be very useful when used against thin skinned people. There needs to be a campaign in Germany where the Nazi-Islam connection is exploited. The trip by the Mufti of Jerusalem to Germany and the Muslim division he raised must be brought out into the open. Then, anti-jihadism can be equated with anti-Nazism.

Posted by: Pelayo at March 1, 2007 6:15 AM

Well, in order for financially strapped Islam to move a revolution against the world, they have no other recourse but the internet. I like it this way, because we can see what goes on in their heads; which isn't much anyway ? As far as their propaganda goes, the truth always comes out, so we don't have to worry what threats they're making, just as long as everyone knows about them, "we can drive them back into the pen."

Posted by: Jeff at March 1, 2007 6:24 AM

Jeff, financially strapped Islam? This current wave of resurgent Islam is primarily financed by oil money. Medrassas, mosques, weapons all come from oil. They are hardly financially strapped. The World Trade Center attack was not a shoestring operation. All the servers and data routers require money to keep running. This is coordinated and well financed.

Posted by: Pelayo at March 1, 2007 6:33 AM

Muslim electronic jihad is one theat to be sure, but the other is the Democratic partys plan to make the internet pass history or to make it subject to extreme governmental control and govermental taxation....the Democratic party also seeks to control or eliminate talk radio....Both the internet and talk radio continue to be a sharp thorn in the Democratic partys rear end....

....May the internet and talk radio be forever indepent of any governmental control.....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at March 1, 2007 6:44 AM

...could it be that the Islamic terrorists and the Democratic party have things in common....it is clear the terrorists certainly praise victories made by the Democrats....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at March 1, 2007 6:46 AM

"You may think this is extreme, but let me tell you that I went to withdraw some cash last week to pay for a car I was buying. The bank, a branch of a large national chain, COULD NOT honor my request for eight thousand dollars. "

....I would consider talking to another bank....I would write an editorial letter to the local newspaper (probably would not get published), send a scolding letter to the banks CEO (probably would get no response), wear a billboard sign and protest (during the week when the medicare checks are delivered) (this would probably get some attention from passerbys and the local TV crew)....I would call my local talk radio celebrity and inquire if I could make a comment on air.....and I would wear a custom printed sweatshirt stating something like, "This bank refuses to allow me to withdraw my money" or "Bank Robbery...It happens here." It sounds like this bank does not value you or your business..dump em...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at March 1, 2007 7:02 AM

"Allah has commanded us in various Koranic verses to wage war against the unbelievers... Electronic jihad utilizes methods and means which inflict great material damage on the enemy and [which also] lower his morale and his spirits via the Internet".

Two can play at this game and payback can and should be more lethal. I'm sure that they will like it when their sites are under attack by cyber commando units. In general, it is time to pay them back in their own coin. For example: Jihadists are constantly threatening Dar-al-harb with nuclear terror. Why not plant nuclear devices in Dar-al-Islam and when they go off, let no one claim responsibility. Keep doing that and let them feel terror.

When General Grant took command of the Army of the Potomac in May 1864 the staff he inherited warned him of the dangers of "Bobby Lee" and how lethal the Confederate forces could be to the Union forces. Grant said, "I don't want to hear any more about what Bobby Lee is going to do to us. I want him to worry about what we are going to do to him". Lee's Army learned that Grant was not intimidated by Lee in the next year as Grant's Army relentlessly pounded the Confederate forces until Lee's Army of Northern Virgina practically ceased to exist. We need Grant's attitude on this matter.

Posted by: Frank at March 1, 2007 7:17 AM

We have to be honest on this matter. Every group, every nation, every empire, has been established by violence and destruction of some recently " indigenous culture". This is true with Aztecs, Arabs, Spaniards, China, etc. However the Arabs invented the best system (Islam) to rationalize the will to dominate, exploit and kill with a clean conscience.

All groups have invented such rationalizations, but Islam is perfect to that end. (Humans are almost always pharisees that point to others in these matters. But this pattern is typical with all groups.) The refusal to see "the other" in Islam is almost perfect. Because of that only the most ruthless use of force against them will bring them to reason. It was similar with Hitler and the Nazis.

Posted by: Frank at March 1, 2007 7:39 AM

In the last 50 years or so it has been in vogue to pretend that only the West has followed the pattern of conquest, exploitation and dominance in the name of "religion" or "ideology". But the truth is that the pattern is typical of every group. There is not one nation or empire that was not established by the conquest, the destruction of some "indigenous culture" and often the extermination of what Waffa Sultan calls "the other". The Golden Rule may be the ideal for all the religions except Islam, but Islam is more reflective of how people really behave toward "the other". It's a perfect system for rationalizing domination, exploitation and the dehumanization of "the other".

Posted by: Frank at March 1, 2007 7:57 AM

The more history I read on this matter, looking at how nations and empires are established, the more I realize that Hugh is right that the Arabs invented the most effective rationalization for imperialism with Islam. It's true. Now I know why Hitler said it was perfect in making "holy" the will to domination. Hitler had a keen eye for that kind of thing.

Posted by: Frank at March 1, 2007 8:07 AM

"Jihadists are constantly threatening Dar-al-harb with nuclear terror"

...they are "promising" it....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at March 1, 2007 8:14 AM

I think we be particularly suspicious when groups start talking about their historic "tolerance". It's all bullshit. The Dutch (e.g.) talk about their "tolerance" but the truth is that they tolerate anything that does not interfere with commerce. Arabs have been extremely racist in their history. In Africa, slavery is a big problem today-not 150 years ago . We have to stop this Pharisaical crap about "tolerance" to see the real picture. Muslims are almost immune from seeing that Islam is really just another rationalization for dominance over "the other".

Posted by: Frank at March 1, 2007 8:23 AM

All of this reminds me of the Irish joke about neutrality: "They say we are supposed to be neutral, but neutral against who"? Our species seems to need enemies in order for people to cooperate.

Have a good day, folks.

Posted by: Frank at March 1, 2007 8:43 AM

cyber attacks will be apparent as part of world chaos. flooding, hacking, crashing sites are all terrorist acts.

Posted by: sectionOne at March 1, 2007 11:27 AM

Wonderful.......please keep on Islam in your electronic warfare as your electronic footprints are easy to find.

Invite bin Laden over and set up the webcam. Come on be an internet star.

Posted by: Lame Cherry at March 1, 2007 12:17 PM

The Germans are terrified of being labelled "Nazis" and the muslims here use that game to their advantage all the time!

If it weren’t so tragic it’d be funny how Germany’s vigorously anti-Nazi regime is almost phobically afraid of being called Nazis by those who most emulate Hitler and his genocidal goals.

AmericaninGermany, namecalling can be very useful when used against thin skinned people. There needs to be a campaign in Germany where the Nazi-Islam connection is exploited. The trip by the Mufti of Jerusalem to Germany and the Muslim division he raised must be brought out into the open. Then, anti-jihadism can be equated with anti-Nazism.

Pelayo’s on the right track. More cartoons please. More Islamic riots that cripple their own nations and kill their own protesters. Faster, please. To quote Mel Brooks:

"If you stand on a soapbox and trade rhetoric with a dictator you never win. That's what they do so well; they seduce people. But if you ridicule them, bring them down with laughter--they can't win. You show how crazy they are."

Such an utterly humorless bunch as Muslims may well have never before walked the earth. They make Essenes look like The Three Stooges. Still, ridicule alone may not entirely fill the bill. While poking fun is a fine and time-honored tradition, Islam is a special breed and needs to have every wrench in the toolbox thrown into its gears. Call them every legitimate name in the book. Whatever it takes to make Muslims bridle and buck at the simple exercise of free speech. Islam must be unmasked post haste.

Jeff, financially strapped Islam? This current wave of resurgent Islam is primarily financed by oil money. Medrassas, mosques, weapons all come from oil. They are hardly financially strapped. The World Trade Center attack was not a shoestring operation. All the servers and data routers require money to keep running. This is coordinated and well financed.

Again, quite right, Pelayo. I’ll repost what I wrote over in the bin Laden thread:

Most important of all is that literally none of the tremendous wealth held by Muslim majority OPEC nations is being directed towards fighting terrorism. This glaring discrepancy must serve notice to the West about Muslim insincerity with respect to ending terrorism.

In an astounding sleight-of-hand, Islam has foisted its housecleaning obligations upon the West. Where is it written that we must delicately sort through the world’s Muslim population in pursuit of a tiny percentage of radicals that they voluntarily sequester and fund? We are under no such obligation and the sooner Islam is confronted with Total War as repayment for their perfidy, the more quickly all of this vile mayhem will end. No more walking on eggshells in the fight against Islam. It's long past tea for making omelets.

Posted by: Zenster at March 1, 2007 2:18 PM

Robert,
I guess I am not the only one who said "Glitches" yeah sure.
Two days after the oil deal dividing the oil revenues in Iraq Evenly amoungst the three groups.
The good news ia they plan to keep the trading floor.
Aunt Bea

Posted by: auntbea at March 1, 2007 6:13 PM

"AmericaninGermany, namecalling can be very useful when used against thin skinned people. There needs to be a campaign in Germany where the Nazi-Islam connection is exploited. The trip by the Mufti of Jerusalem to Germany and the Muslim division he raised must be brought out into the open. Then, anti-jihadism can be equated with anti-Nazism".-Zenster

Bingo. You nailed it.

Posted by: Frank at March 1, 2007 7:22 PM

"AmericaninGermany, namecalling can be very useful when used against thin skinned people. There needs to be a campaign in Germany where the Nazi-Islam connection is exploited. The trip by the Mufti of Jerusalem to Germany and the Muslim division he raised must be brought out into the open. Then, anti-jihadism can be equated with anti-Nazism".-Zenster

Frank, credit given where credit is due. The above reply to americaningermany was posted by Pelayo and not myself. Needless to say (then why say it?), I heartily concur.

Posted by: Zenster at March 2, 2007 7:58 PM