At last, CAIR is begining to admit the truth.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at March 3, 2007 6:04 PM

At last, CAIR is begining to admit the truth.

And it took people like Robert and Hugh (and many others) pounding away at them for years against the back-drop of the new McCarthyism that labels any even mild critic of Muslims or Islam an "Islamophobe".

Robert, I thank you and all your contributors.

Posted by: Scorpius at March 3, 2007 6:08 PM

"In an article carried by Delcotimes.com, Saylor is responding to questions about Ghassan Elashi and Ismail Royer and their ties to the leader of Hamas and activities in support of overseas terrorist organizations. While Saylor first said that Elashi and Royer were not working on behalf the group, he was later quoted:

"Some people try to hold us responsible for the actions of people that are associated with our organization. That’s absolutely ludicrous … you don’t hold all of Enron responsible for what Ken Lay did.""

What a ridiculous crock of crap. I hold any organization responsibile for anything done by it employees or owners. This supremecist thinking keeps CAIR its on a roll.

Posted by: credit man at March 3, 2007 6:12 PM

credit man-

It's worse then that. When Ken Lay was found out major things happened, like prosecutions and people in the company who didn't know until he was outed denounced him; CAIR keeps having people come out who are terrorists, support terrorists verbally and financially and their reaction till now has been "Ho-hum"

Posted by: Scorpius at March 3, 2007 6:15 PM

CAIR "slips-up" and verifies the ties to terrorism of past officials, only proving what could easily be learned by anyone doing any research into CAIR's origins.

Let's hope CAIR's credibility will finally, rightly, be destroyed by this revelation. Let's also hope the MSM will refuse to be duped by CAIR's whining and victimization claims each time their quest for Islamic World Domination is hindered.

Posted by: Xero G at March 3, 2007 6:21 PM

Hi BigCatGirl -- where have you been?!!!

Posted by: champ at March 3, 2007 6:24 PM

In a stunning revelation ...

For some, maybe. Certainly not for me. The only thing remotely "stunning" about this is that CAIR finally broke down and admitted what has been patently obvious from day one to anybody with an IQ above room temperature.

When will our government wise up and outlaw this terrorist organization?

Posted by: Zenster at March 3, 2007 6:42 PM

Hi Champ, glad to hear from you!

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at March 3, 2007 7:17 PM

Thank-you Robert and Hugh for putting pressure on CAIR when it was needed.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at March 3, 2007 7:17 PM

I suggest we call them CAIRrorists.

Posted by: Kevin Weakley at March 3, 2007 7:24 PM

You're right, Enron came down, but they certainly didn't kill anybody while doing it. Orchestrating terrorist tactics through a legitamate business, is worst then any economic tragity.

Posted by: Jeff at March 3, 2007 7:26 PM

it's nice to know that they "care"!

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at March 3, 2007 7:55 PM

Utah Mall Shooter gets 'Marty's Funeral' in Bosnia:

http://sheikyermami.com/2007/03/04/utah-mall-shooter-gets-martyrs-funeral-in-bosnia-us-authorities-guilty-sez-father/

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at March 3, 2007 7:59 PM

Funny how Enron was his selection for the comparison. A company that brought home the bacon by way of lies and manipulation. Projection? Jealousy? Envy? All three?

Sheik yer’ mami, I said they would do that right after I heard the family wanted money to ship the body home, there was no doubt in my mind. Where is home to these people? When they are alive home is where the jihad is, when they die they go back to the fatherland, the one they were born in.

Posted by: tgusa at March 3, 2007 8:12 PM

Its possible that the behind the scenes at CAIR is similar to how one envisages the heavy Clinton war room.

The trick is to massage the truth to advance your side.

But then, its no longer the truth.

"Never mind".

Posted by: dgene at March 3, 2007 8:18 PM

CAIR admits it is connected to, and has members who are jihad terrorists? That's as earth shaking as Israel admitting it has nuclear weapons. It took almost as long for them to come out and admit it.

Just a week or so ago, the leader of Canada's Liberal party, Dion, was at a CAIR function. Seemingly oblivious to the fact that is was also attended by two infamous terrorists (whose names escape me at the moment -- it was reported by several news sources). Of course, it is likely that Dion was completely clueless as to whom he was having a meal with. For him, it was just another voting block to appease.

Posted by: Abraham_Lincoln at March 3, 2007 8:44 PM

Any bets on whether Rep. Keith Ellison will continue to associate with CAIR after this admission? I don't know. But what I am quite sure of is that the MSM won't pressure Ellison to explain his association with an Islamic organization whose officials were engaged in terrorist activities. Does anyone know how senior the positions of Elashi & Royer in CAIR were? If they were part of the leadership cadre, then there is no question but that the feds should give CAIR the Enron treatment.

Posted by: sheik yer booty at March 3, 2007 9:00 PM

THis revelation of CAIR admitting that is founders, members worked for terrorists groups such as Hammas
is not really much, in that CAIR does not beleive that Hammas are really terrorists, but they are freedom fighters... so they are not really saying much.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at March 3, 2007 9:19 PM

http://www.rediff.com/news/2007/mar/03uk.htm
UK Muslims converting our girls: Hindus
Hindu and Sikh leaders in the United Kingdom have accused radical Muslims of blackmailing young women from their communities into changing religion in groomed conversions on university campuses."It's not the whole Muslim community, it's extremist individuals. Some girls are very innocent and vulnerable when they go to university. Then these men befriend them. We know of some whose lives have been ruined," said Ranjeet Singh of the British Organisation of Sikh Students."It's a problem that has been going on for a while, but a lot of people are reluctant to come forward and there's not much being done," he said.Ramesh Kallidai, secretary general of the Hindu Forum of Britain, said: "One girl was beaten up when she refused to convert. She is petrified. She only spoke to one other girl about it, who contacted us."The main problem is these girls feel very vulnerable and intimidated by these men. They talk about it to their friends, who tell us what is happening but don't want to speak to the police."The police are aware of the problem and Sir Ian Blair, the Commissioner of Metropolitan Police, recently attended a Hindu conference where the issue was raised.Kallidai said some families were completely broken apart by the incidents, which were difficult to admit in public. Singh also alleged there were cases of aggressive techniques, of drugging and of rape, of the man taking photos and blackmailing the girls into converting."They know that by dishonouring the girls, they will make their families disown them. In the past few months there have been about 120 cases in Luton and the South East," Singh said.Community leaders alleged some young women had suffered physical violence. Others have said that the men claimed to have been paid to convert their victims.One Sikh organisation has set up telephone helplines and arranged visits to temples to raise awareness of the problem.The police are powerless to act unless incidents are reported. This rarely happens because the stigma of a child converting to Islam often silences Sikh and Hindu parents, said community leaders.

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My comments :

Why islam preaches muslims to carry such unethical and unprincipled activity ?

Why the hindu doesn't follow converser, terrorize people of other religion?

Answer) To learn anything about any religion one have to read the scripture of that particular religion. Let me take to the verse and text of quran which advocate muslims to carryout conversion as holy.

Please read this verse from quran to all muslim moderates and ask them --- you still believe Islam is a religion of tolerance and pluralism?

Quran-3:85- "If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to
Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in
the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good)."

Quran-5:51- "O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your
friends and protectors. They are but friends and protectors to each
other%u2026.." and also read the following (9: 73, 8: 39, 9: 29, 47: 4, 4: 89,
9:111, 2: 216, 8: 12, 9: 5 and 9: 39) verses and please tell us Islam is a
religion of tolerance and pluralism!

My conclusion remains the same that Quran is replete with contradictions and
absurdities which I would like to debate with you in future. When Allah
Himself teaching devout Muslims that Pagans are "unclean" (9:28);
non-believers are the "worst creatures" (98:6); and abode of non-believers
are in the hell fire%u2014how in the world Mr. Halim can possibly claim that
"Islam is a religion of pluralism"? Can you show us one single verse from
Quran that says: "You respect other religions and also non-believers alike
and live together peacefully?" Mr. Halim, I hate to say that, educated and
intelligent people like you have already submitted your intelligence and
norms for the sake of your blind-faith in Allah and Muhammad, and that is
why you fail to see the truth about Islam and Qur'an. Fact of the matter is
the religion Islam is not only a religion of intolerance; rather it is the
religion of isolation. Almost 100% of Islamic nations and Muslim majority
countries today are having their minority populations either rapidly
shrinking or even evaporating in numbers. Not only that%u2014Muslims are unable
to integrate as the immigrant in the host countries around the world
indicating that Muslims by nature do not believe in Pluralism.

As hindu we advocate pluralism that's mean oneness in all, and truth is one. On contrary islam admire the fundamental notion about allah been the only supreme power. Quran and the teaching of quran have in doctrine muslims in such a way that it as become the religion of conversion, rap. terrorism and brutality and that's the essence of quran

Posted by: Rajesh_singh at March 3, 2007 9:23 PM

This will certainly be manna from heaven for folks like Glenn Beck. Hannity may also join the feeding frenzy.

Posted by: wrathofasma at March 3, 2007 9:25 PM

I am not from UK , nor do i plan to migrate to the UK in future.
Nor am i trying to preach hate.
I am just predicting for the people of UK,based on what I observe in the world today.
BAN MUSLIM IMMIGRATION or RATHER BAN ALL immigration.
I am aware that the collateral damage of banning immigration will also affect the Hindus,Sikhs and other religions ,who have integrated and accept the democratic way of life in UK, but despite this the collateral loss is acceptable or one day you British wont have a UK to call your own and you will be forced to evacuate your own country for your own safety.
I am aware you guys will be called RACISTs if you do ban immigration ,and if i was in your place , I would choose being called RACIST more acceptable rather than live under the sharia law.

Posted by: Rajesh_singh at March 3, 2007 9:35 PM

C.riminals
A.nd
I.slamic
R.ednecks

Posted by: jewdog at March 3, 2007 9:39 PM

Rajesh_singh, there is no need to ban all immigration, but to just ban islam! they will not reform, so out law islam as a cult and be done with it.. islam will cause more grief, murder and rapes,that all civilized people of the free world will reject islam. l have no problem with any other religion, and l consider myself Christian.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at March 3, 2007 9:40 PM

I would not deem this CAIR telling the truth or any victory as it can just as easily mean that CAIR now feels so powerful with the inroads it has made in both parties that it is thumbing it's nose at America and it's people.

So they said they are in league with terrorists, ok what is America doing about it?

Haven't seen any denouncing of it by the White House, Congress or media now have you?

Don't celebrate the smoke rising from the ruins as it just might be going on the offensive setting what is left of America aflame.

Posted by: Lame Cherry at March 3, 2007 10:06 PM

C.riminals
A.nd
I.slamic
R.ednecks

Jewdog, please don't be so insulting to rednecks.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at March 3, 2007 10:14 PM

"Some people try to hold us responsible for the actions of people that are associated with our organization. That’s absolutely ludicrous … you don’t hold all of Enron responsible for what Ken Lay did."

Somebody needs to tell him Enron is out of business and Ken Lay was their "leader" thus I expect the same for the leadership of CAIR.

Dougie did you hear that...you would look good in orange...its your color!

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at March 3, 2007 10:21 PM

ZenaWarriorPrincess
Like you said ,I know most of other religions,do not have a problem with each other. Even if they do have a problem it is just 0.01% of the problem,the Islamic people have with all other religions.
Simply because no other religion seeks world dominance.
If only Islamic immigration was banned ,it would
be most desirable.
But desperate situations call for desperate measures.
If the West ,do gather the courage to ban only Islamic immigration ,then all the Muslim countries or the so called majority of moderate Muslims will protest it as targeted profiling.
But if all immigration is banned,saying it is the countries policy ,they are not left with the argument that only they have been targeted and thus no political division will take place regarding the stop immigration law. Things will be easier.

The mistake Indian politicians have made ,is to give concessions to the Muslims,time over again and agin,under the impression that once we give them this particular concession ,they will be happy and the issue resolved. But the issue does not get resolved. With each concession the demands increase with a new demand every time.
This is the reason why India is in a mess today and has such a large Islamic population.

UK/Canada/some European countries are in a similar misjudgment position today. They are making same mistake India made 30-40 years ago,when they believed the Muslims would integrate. Look what India got in return in terms of, the insurgency in kashmir based on religion, multiple train bombings, terrorist attacks on a regular basis.

The West ignored the issues in the past when India brought up this in UN dismissing it as small problem and only India's problem .And look all of suddent toay suddenly they are facing the same problem but still ignore India.

DO not repeat the mistake India has made and learn from the past. Political correctness is killing the west as it killed India. The Islamic forces uses these loopholes in democracy (human rights,secularism)to their advantage and they use it knowingly and are successful. People like Pelosi,Dinesh dsouza are their pawn where in they are using our own people and our own principle to wage jihad in moderate way.

They are fighting the war with a definite strategy which is two fold i.e on moderate level and militant level.
The militants inflict physical damge vis bombs and bullets.
Then the moderates use propaganda ,media to paint the militants as minority group.They try to create a illusion amongst us that Islam is peaceful,so as we do not attack them with force by causing difference of opinion amongst us on wether Islam is peaceful or violent. And by using the immigration loophole they are multiplying demographically ,hoping to create enough numbers to seize new countries using the tool of democracy as their weapon.
The ultimate goal remains the same.
Thats why I say desperate measures are required.

Posted by: Rajesh_singh at March 3, 2007 10:32 PM

Thanks for that excellent post Rajesh_singh.
It should be required reading by every infidel in the world = especially our deaf and blind leaders.

Youur post pretty much tallies with what my own perceptions of the workings of the Islamic jihad.
What a strange thing is the jihad.
No close coordination is necessary between the jihadists, just an appreciation of the level of violence and timing necessary to gain the next concession from the infidels, then come the "good moderate" Muslims to smooth things over and accept those concessions, for the sake of peace - until the next atrocity and list of Islamic demands.

Why are so many in the West deaf and blind to the obvious lessons to be learned in India?
There are too many terrified dhimmis such as Dinesh D'Souza pushing the Islamic agenda.
There is a terrible willful blindness to Islam prevalent in the world.

Posted by: Mike_W at March 3, 2007 11:34 PM

But Mr. Singh,

Why should Canada, and for that matter the US, UK and the rest of Europe have to ban all immigration? I mean after putting up with the BS that the Muslims gave them, they have every right to single out this single group, and people will more likely agree with this kind of policy. It is never a good idea to flat-out ban all immigration. Just as it is never good to morally equate Evangelical Christians with the jihadists (I have to put up with this a lot). Just as it is never good to use the word "Asian" when describing the latest terrorism arrest in the media, as "Asian" also applies to the Hindus and Sikhs, who are more or less better than their Muslim counterparts.

Posted by: wrathofasma at March 3, 2007 11:39 PM

Could it also be that the "infedels" are starting to wise up to the dangers and are no longered fooled by organizations such as CAIR?

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at March 3, 2007 11:44 PM

"If the West ,do gather the courage to ban only Islamic immigration ,then all the Muslim countries or the so called majority of moderate Muslims will protest it as targeted profiling.
But if all immigration is banned,saying it is the countries policy ,they are not left with the argument that only they have been targeted and thus no political division will take place regarding the stop immigration law. Things will be easier."

Posted by: Rajesh_singh

Whoa, missed the reference to banning all immigration first time through your post Rajesh_singh!

Banning all immigration is not feasible or desirable, however banning Muslim immigration is absolutely necessary.
Frankly, I could not care less what Muslims think about it.
The rest of your post is great.

Posted by: Mike_W at March 3, 2007 11:49 PM

Ok .
On second thoughts maybe Bannnig all immigration is too harsh a suggestion from my side.
But it should be controlled.
Just like a drivers licence.
For example in Canada ( only country i stayed for a couple of years except India)
1st driving offense : Fine of some $$$
2 nd offence of DUI : Suspension of licence.
3rd offence of DUI : Permanant suspension of licence.
In the same way
if an immigrant violates laws(and i think inciting hate on basis of religion is surely against law) then govt of the host country(be it any country and any immigrant) should have right of revoking citizenship and deporting the person.
The reason I say so is
1) These Imams who preach violence, usually resort to legal loopholes available in democracy to still maintain their citizenship .They use human rights loopholes to do what they wish and then slip away scot-free.
2) Would any muslim country give same rights to someone who preached violence or spoke against Islam.
So rules should be tit for tat.

One more example would be the clash of cultures.
Dinesh dsouza( i am ashemed to call him an ex-indian) says that immorality of west is reason for jihad.
Well as i ssee it rules should be tit for tat.
Muslims want the wwoman to be covered in niqab
West has no problem with a woman wearing bikini.
If west tolerates ,seeing the Islam woman in niqab in western countries on basis of human rights ,would it not be justified on the same human rights issue, if a western girl wishes to roam in Saudi arabia in pair of shorts .
Why then a different set of rules in West and Arabia.
They claim they respect human rights and are tolerant.
Would they allow my this tit for tat human rights issue?????
Obviously not.
There has to be equality in tolerance.
If we can tolerate the niqab( on basis of cultural and human rights viewpoint) why dont they tolerate the bikini on same grounds.
Why do they make it a reason for jihad.

Posted by: Rajesh_singh at March 4, 2007 12:08 AM

I dont mean to be rude but I am new here but could anybody please explain to me why this story about CAIR is any different to the stories about the MCB and Dr Muhammed Abdul Bari and Tahir Alam and their known and proved connections to the islamic terrorists and their refusal to condemn the terrorists. Why are we surprised by this.

Tahir Alam was one of the people who says that Islam was responsible for the renaisence in Europe because of its discoveries and tranmission of knowledge. I know this is wrong and perhaps other posters here can correct this hyjaking of our knowledge. I have read this site here for a few weeks and perhaps Dominic the Archelogist or others can put this right and stop this rubbish.

CAIR is wrong and it supports terrorists and there fore it supports murder MCB is wrong and it supports terrorists and it supports murder. Where is the difference I ask. And none of them are right about Europe and its past and history surely.

Posted by: Jonathan Ralbrooke at March 4, 2007 12:46 AM

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007\03\04\story_4-3-2007_pg1_3

Check the link above. It is from a pakistani website.It says Islam could become Europe’s dominant religion.
And this is why I say desperate situations call for desperate solutions and unless immigration is banned this is the reality staring us in face

Posted by: Rajesh_singh at March 4, 2007 12:53 AM

Rajesh

Even though I'm an immigrant to the US, I agree with you. I see where Mike, Zena and wrathofasma are coming from, but for the West to ban only Muslim immigration, they have to first put a finger on Islam as the source of all these problems i.e. they have to be on the same page as we are. That is not likely to happen, and doing something like banning immigration only from Islamic countries wouldn't do either, since it could potentially block Iraqi Assyrians or Lebanese Maronites from coming here, while doing nothing to stop Pakis with UK passports. So ideal solution is to ban only Muslim immigration, but if that ain't adapted, I don't see any alternative other than stopping all immigration.

Sure, as an immigrant, I'd hate it if I were deported as a result of such a policy. But guess who I'd blame. Unfortunately, most non-Muslim immigrants may not necessarily blame Muslims were such a situation to arrive.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at March 4, 2007 1:21 AM

"Some people try to hold us responsible for the actions of people that are associated with our organization. That’s absolutely ludicrous … you don’t hold all of Enron responsible for what Ken Lay did."

What a spin doctor, this Khorri Sailer. Some people? In light of what this group's officials have said publicly, anyone with even a shred of common sense holds them responsible, and rightfully so.

CAIR is a poison pill plain and simple, and its doors need to be closed permanently. Royer and Elashi aren't the only two CAIR officers and associates who have gotten themsleves in trouble either, by the way.

Posted by: Prickzilla at March 4, 2007 1:28 AM

While I agree that it isn't time to celebrate, make no mistake . . . this is an important tactical error by CAIR.

Admitting that their people are involved in terrorism precludes CAIR agents from raising the fog of denial regarding what their leaders are doing.

The American people will not buy the argument that CAIR is not responsible for what CAIR personnel do. The American people as a whole were buying the argument that CAIR had no contact with terrorism.

This and the 6 imman airline thing show that CAIR isn't tactically or strategically smart.

That realization will allow me to sleep better.

Posted by: JSobieski at March 4, 2007 2:33 AM

My point is that whether CAIR personnel were conducting terrorist activities is a factual question that their people can simply deny, and raise all sorts of fog that any factual question is susceptible to. Think about most talking head shows with short 5 minute segments. It is easy for CAIR to simply deny the facts.

The public relations battle on our side is made easier by arguing the principle that organizations are held liable for the actions of their membership all the time.

The public relations battle on our side is also made easier because most American's with common sense realize that smoke usually indicates fire, and that groups with 2 terrorists are likely to have more.

If Boxer could identify CAIR as being problematic before, then this should make it a slam dunk case. Need to get the Republican presidential candidates to talk about this--get the ball rolling.

Posted by: JSobieski at March 4, 2007 2:40 AM

"I dont mean to be rude but I am new here but could anybody please explain to me why this story about CAIR is any different to the stories about the MCB and Dr Muhammed Abdul Bari and Tahir Alam and their known and proved connections to the islamic terrorists and their refusal to condemn the terrorists."

Surely, (and don't call me Shirley). It's as simple as A ... B ... C. Any questions?

Posted by: Zenster at March 4, 2007 3:24 AM

Please explain what the difference is between Islamic Jihad and Islamic terrorism.
Since every Muslim is bound to support Islamic Jihad, why are we surprised by this admission?
Or is it perhaps that a stage has now been reached which no longer requires such associations to be hidden from the Kuffar?
Would we have been surprised by admissions,during WW2, from American Germans that they had affiliations with members of the SS or the Nazi party, when they believed Nazism would soon take over the American psyche.

Posted by: chevalier de st george at March 4, 2007 4:56 AM

This revelation needs to gain traction in the MSM. The people need to know the Enemy within and how it operates.

Good and Honest People do not Lie.

Posted by: flowerknife_us at March 4, 2007 7:49 AM

..The Truth is getting out...and Muslims hate the truth....

..,Ban Muslim Immigration NOW....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at March 4, 2007 10:03 AM

And in other news, Godzilla admits to being a giant atomic breathing dinosaur mutation.

Posted by: Balrog at March 4, 2007 11:05 AM

Infidel Pride,

It really sucks that many non-Muslim Indians sympathize with the Muslims. It is somewhat understandable because of increased profiling at airports and attacks on Sikhs. But it really pisses me off that CAIR and other groups team up with the Indians or anyone who's brown-skinned. Only a few know the true history of Mughal rule.

In the past the US has singled out groups with regards to immigration. For example, for the longest time Chinese immigration was severely restricted. That is an example of racist policy at the time but nevertheless, it was done before and it can be done again. And this time, if things get worse, the gov't will have a good rational excuse to ban Muslim immigration. Or if not ban it (too many people, even conservatives, will be against that), then set a very small quota and do background checks with a fine-toothed comb.

Posted by: wrathofasma at March 4, 2007 9:23 PM

"Please explain what the difference is between Islamic Jihad and Islamic terrorism."

..Jihad is the plan of action, terrorism is the action of the plan....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at March 6, 2007 8:03 AM