Perhaps the Benfold's muslim prayer space wasn't big enough or the Captain wasn't muslim or a halal meal was served lukewarm or he had to shit on a crapper that was temporarily facing East.

It looks to me like he was driven to do what he did.

Clearly the Dept. of the Navy must hire more shipboard imams, issue every a sailor a koran and prayer mat (gladly paid for by the saudis) and start further indoctrination for all sailors.

Posted by: Arm A. Geddon at March 7, 2007 9:08 PM

From a posting five weeks ago, one will see in the last sentence of the second paragraph mention of "other stories, less-publicized, of a Muslim sailor, on a ship in the Persian Gulf, through an intercepted communication offering to reveal secrets about the ship to make it more vulnerable."

Quaere: is this Abujihaad ("Father of Jihad") that sailor, or is there yet another Muslim sailor out there?

Here is that post:

Several points:
1. The fact that some Muslims say it is alright to "join the army" should not be a source of Infidel satisfaction, but worry. "Joining the army" in order to find out about how the enemy (that is, the Infidels whose Infidel army it is) operates, or to learn certain skills that be applied against Infidels, or even to commit acts of sabotage and betrayal while in the army, might be the motivation.

We have every evidence of this, from the American Muslim soldier who threw a grenade into a tent of sleeping American soldiers, killing two; the Marine who slipped away, apparently to Lebanon (but who knows exactly what he was doing, or what information he gave out, or secrets he betrayed?), was caught, in America gave a press conference in which he declared his complete innocence, ending "Semper Fi" (quite a performance it was, like so many Muslim performances), just before somehow eluding capture and making it out of the country, presumably back to Dar al-Islam, and still the American government has been unable to locate him or bring him back, or perhaps isn't really trying. There are other stories, less-publicized, of a Muslim sailor, on a ship in the Persian Gulf, through an intercepted communication offering to reveal secrets about the ship to make it more vulnerable.

Then there is the evidence of a lack of patriotism of an identifiable group that, one would think, under all the circumstances, would be moving heaven and earth to prove itself, and has done nothing of the kind. A few years ago, while happening to be at Fort Jackson, South Carolina, I visited its military museum, and on the desk at the entrance there are bound volumes of World-War-Two era copies of "Stars and Stripes." I opened one volume at random and read all about the unit we all know about --the 442nd Regiment, the one in which Senator Inouye served, during World War II, and about its exploits. The contrast struck me then, and has struck me since: where are the Muslims clamoring in the United States, in Western Europe, to prove themselves? If, despite the constant efforts to recruit, the British government can only come up with 330 Muslims out of 180,000 people in the armed forces, that is approximately 1/500th of the force, while Muslims make up 1/30th of the population, then this tells us something.

But it shouldn't surprise us. Islam teaches that loyalty is owed only to Islam and to fellow Believers. The danger is twofold, for Infidels. One is the absence of any feeling of loyalty to the Infidel nation-state, and a belief that the land on which Muslims live by right, by Allah's divine right, belongs in the end to them, and the Infidels are merely temporary in charge, sojourners who have no permanent right to any part of the world, which belongs to Allah and therefore to the best of people. The refusal to take Muslim ideology serious, the refusal to study it in depth and to accept the most transparent and flimsy of apologetic versions, whether offered by Muslims or by the non-Muslim apologists who are all about us. The Muslim apologists are full-time practitioners of every kind of evasion and lies and half-lies and half-truths, of taqiyya and tu-quoque, and we can see examples of this every day, on talk shows, and in the press, all over the Infidel lands. It takes a while, it takes experience and practice, to detect and then to be able to see through, and then to be able to piercingly reveal and at the same time answer, such a fog and pettifog of nonsense and semi-nonsense.

Why is there so much of it? Many reasons. Some do it it out of some blend of leftist hatred of The System, of the West, of the White West, of Amerika, of Kapitalism, and find that Islam is now the vehicle of choice to express resentment. Some, like Karen Armstrong, resentful of Christianity, and suffering long-term mental desarroi and of course from terminal stupidity, find not the reality of Islam -- she hasn't a clue about the reaality of Islam --soothing. Many are apologists out of cupidity (so many are on the Arab take, so many academics are supported directly or indirectly by Arab money for their "centers" and their "chairs" and so many want to ensure that they do nothing to antagonize their Muslim colleagues, who are eternally vigilant in monitoriing their work, and can cause them all kinds of touble. And others are ignorant, wilfully or lazily ignorant, and do not want to think for themselvfes, do not want to connect the dots of observable Muslim behavior by abadoning their false model, their Ptolemaic model of a "few extremists" for the true, Copernican theory that can both explain all the data, in Bangladesh, Sudan, Nigeria, Thailand, and also Paris, London, Amsterdam, and Beslan, and have predictive value: can predict, for example, what would happen, necessarily, in Iraq, and what will happen, necesarily, in Iraq if the Americans withdraw (hint: it won't be good for the Camp of Islam, and will give America that "victory" about which Bush and Cheney prate without ever understanding, or recognizing, in what such a true "victory" for the West would consist -- nor do any of their critics).

Muslims and Western Armed Forces: what a paradox. What do we want? We know Muslims are taught not to offer any loyalty to the legal and political institutions of the Infidel nation-state. Don't expect it. Don't squander resources trying to make Muslims forget, or never know, what Islam is all about because it will not work. They will find out. The Infidel states -- England, France (Sarkozy is disastrously intent on "affirmative action" for Muslims in the organs of the state --he is not nearly well-versed enough in Islam, even if he appears, by optical illusion, to be sufficiently comprehending of the matter, and appropriately sober in his supposed "hard line" that is not nearly hard enough) -- have to give up pious hopes for "integration" that rely on a shared game of Let's Pretend: Let's Pretend that Islam does not inculcate what Islam inculcates. Let's Pretend that Islam is not Islma.

The numbers of Muslims in the British Armed Forces are telling. They tell us what, if we knew about Islam, would come as no surprise.

But what if the British govenment manages to increase the number of Muslims in the army, and the police, say five-fold or ten-fold or twenty-fold? Would that be good? Would that be considered a "success"? Not if one understoood Islam. Not if one understood the reasons why people were joining up at this point -- not out of a sudden loyalty (the time for that was five, four, three, two years ago) but out of something which those with long experience of the problem (J. B. Kelly, for example, to me just a week ag0), have worried about: the slow and steady infiltration into the army, security services, and police, all over Europe, of Muslims intent on what, by their Total System, they should be intent on.

Worry, every which way.

[Posted by: Hugh at February 2, 2007 09:22 AM]

Posted by: Hugh at March 7, 2007 9:10 PM

So we have Muslims who can not put their first allegeance aside.
I don't suppose this means that communists in the State Department, socialists in the media put their allegeance aside either.

Perhaps that is why they call Patriots, Patriots and Americans Americans and not Chicoms, al Qaeda and Hamas.

If a Democrat isn't going to ever vote for a George Bush and still spits at the name of Ronald Reagan, then why can these "anti profilers" not see that a number for Muslims are going to betray their country just to gain an Islamic power structure in America and defeat America in the Middle East.
Exactly like Schumer and Kennedy on Abu Gharib, Ted Koppell on the Plamegate coup and Dan Rather on forged documents.

It is elementary and why Franklin Roosevelt didn't allow a majority of recent German immigrants to be sent to fight Germany in WW II.

Posted by: Lame Cherry at March 7, 2007 9:10 PM

That is the problem, isn't it? That nice smiling "Paul Hall" whose real name turns out to be Hassan Abujihaad, or is the name "Hassan Abujihaad" the name of a "reverted" Paul Hall, but who in any case may smile, and smile, and even sign up, a stout patriot, for the armed services, but for his fellow Americans, if they are Infidels, there is only murder in his heart. And we have no good way of telling who, among those Muslims allowed to arrive, shares that hatred, or who, while not actively participating in violent Jihad, will support it with money, with political maneuvring, with civil agitation, or with sowing propaganda to swell the ranks of other Muslims, also conducting Jihad using the various instruments that are availalbe -- and mere presence, and procreation, constitutes use of the instrument of demographic conquest -- and who is not, who is merely a Muslim-for-identification-purposes-only Muslim, who shuns entirely the central tenets of Islam, that require the world be viewed as divided between Believers and Infidels, and a permanent state of war between the Dar al-Islam and Dar al-Harb must exist, until the latter succumbs entirely, is swallowed up by, the former.

"Paul Hall" or "Hassan Abujihaad" or, rather, the former becoming the latter, or the latter becoming the former? Nice "Mike" Hawash, Little League father and Intel engineer, co-author of a book on computers, or Muhammad Hawash, buying his ticket, inspired as he was by the 9/11/2001 attacks, that he hoped would take him to Afghanistan where he would take the side of Al Qaeda and kill his fellow, but Infidel, Americans?

Why should we take a chance? We know, from all of the evidence, that a very great number of Muslims in the West become not less but more radical. We know that a very great number of Muslims everywhere, including the West, support Al Qaeda, or Hamas, or Hezbollah, or Lashkar-e-Toiba, or Gemaa Islamiyya, or the Ikhwan al-muslimun, or a thousand other groups (their separate names hardly matter).

Why do we admit them into our countries? Why do Infidels believe they have some kind of duty to make their own lives, and those of their children and grandchildren, far more unpleasant, far more expensive, far more physically dangerous, than they would otherwise be, without a large-scale Muslim presence? Can't they look and see, at least in this country, at Holland and France, at Great Britain and Germany? Can't we learn from the horrrible immigration mistakes of others? No? Just not possible?

Posted by: Hugh at March 7, 2007 9:18 PM

The USS Benfold is an Arleigh Burke-class destroyer. Depending on this creature's job, he could have a lot of information useful to the enemy. This fatal attraction that our leaders have to this faulty idea of mlticulturalism must stop. Now I know what a "compassionate conservative" is - an idiot.

Lock'im up and throw away the key.

Posted by: Pelayo at March 7, 2007 9:20 PM

No Muslims in the military. Period. There is no other way for our nation to protect itself from those who practice taqiyya. Until Islam reforms itself and prohibits such institutionalized and religiously condoned prevarication, Muslims must be treated with suspicion wherever they go.

Where are the honest and hardworking Muslims who detest this moral and ethical loophole that is the size of Alaska? Are they cowering somewhere with the same Muslims who abhor terrorism?

We need to begin executing traitors like Hassan Abujihaad for treason. End of story.

Posted by: Zenster at March 7, 2007 9:32 PM

Another example, in a long line, where Robert effectively hammers home his point that the individual Muslim is technically irrelevant at this point. Abujihaad's actions are certainly not irrelevant, due to the treason that they are wed to, and with special attention paid to the fact that he is ironically, a convert to Islam.

I believe this example also expels much of the myth of the "moderate" Muslim, for likewise, they are technically irrelevant as well, at this point.

The content of the immutable texts of Islam, as applied, is all that matters. It is the Qur'an, where the inspiration for jihad, and all the other "lovely" aspects of Islam and its desire for global dominance, stem from. If the gates of ijtihad are not opened again, compelling a reform of Islam, as practiced, as taught, and as applied, a monumental clash is indeed, inevitable.

Posted by: awake at March 7, 2007 9:34 PM

Military policy towards Muslims should be:

"Don't ask. Expel."

Posted by: BunrattyBill at March 7, 2007 10:01 PM

Why do we admit them into our countries? Why do Infidels believe they have some kind of duty to make their own lives, and those of their children and grandchildren, far more unpleasant, far more expensive, far more physically dangerous, than they would otherwise be, without a large-scale Muslim presence? Can't they look and see, at least in this country, at Holland and France, at Great Britain and Germany? Can't we learn from the horrrible immigration mistakes of others? No? Just not possible?

Posted by: Hugh at March 7, 2007 09:18 PM

Hugh. On one hand, you make all the pertinent points. On the other hand, dubya doubles student's visas to Saudis, invites 7000 Iraqis. This after Tom Tancrtedo said 462 Iraqis were 462 too much. So, not like dubya was caught unawares. Point is, all rational ideas about American security are defeated by the corrupt, timid and traitor president/comandrer-in-chief. But then, what can be expected from a family that adopted a Saud family member. Still wondering "Why do we admit them into our countries? "

Posted by: Alert at March 7, 2007 10:13 PM

Here is an article by Dennis Prager about the "New Duranty Times.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/DennisPrager/2007/03/06/newsweeks_lorraine_ali_and_the_ghost_of_walter_duranty

Posted by: Carolyn2 at March 7, 2007 10:25 PM

This article lacks one thing.....surprise.

For one to be surprised one must not be expecting such a thing to be able to occur.

such as Mrs.Hugh saying " I am surprised Hugh is late for dinner, i wouldn't expect that."

Sorry Hugh just a bit of humor.

I was just watching an old rock and roll video and i started thinking how cool it would be to step into Iraq or Afgan. with all the heavy rock and rollers amps full blast and jammimg like no tomorrow.HaHa

The zombies would think the end was here.

Imagine harnessing the anarchists? Giving them free reign in thier own area of the theatre of pain such as war? Oh my where to run to.

If asked to name my unit it would be the 'War Pigs' and the buglers charge would be oink oink oink.
But then whats in a name.

As far as the wars go if we're staying then stop playing.We should have all the 'heroes and lions' underwear size by now.

eh but enough yapping

And all that jazz.

Posted by: Dar al-harb at March 7, 2007 10:31 PM

Don't even make me say it.

Read my mind.

Yes, that's right.

Posted by: Foehammer at March 7, 2007 10:50 PM

BLACK MUSLIM.
This traitor is a Muslim convert. Thus he was born Paul Hall and now has his Muslim name of Hassan Abujihaad

http://www.cageprisoners.com/articles.php?id=2903

Posted by: dennisw at March 7, 2007 10:53 PM

On topic: from Daniel Pipes
http://hnn.us/blogs/entries/10865.html

Posted by: Carolyn2 at March 7, 2007 10:54 PM

The UCMJ awards the death penalty to people like this. It is a shame that he can only die once.

Posted by: FirePig at March 7, 2007 11:01 PM

From Fox on this story- "Ahmad was arrested in 2004 but the case against Abujihaad apparently received a boost in December following the arrest of Derrick Shareef, 22, of Genoa, Ill., near Chicago, who was accused of planning to use hand grenades to attack holiday shoppers at a mall.

According to the affidavit, Shareef and Abujihaad lived together in 2004 when Ahmad was arrested. After reading news reports of the case, Abujihaad became upset and said, "I think this is about me," Shareef told investigators."

Wasn't Shareef a lone jihadist, or am I mixing him up with all the other lone jihadists?

see http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,257619,00.html

Posted by: JBarsimson at March 7, 2007 11:08 PM

awake wrote:
"and with special attention paid to the fact that he is ironically, a convert to Islam."

correction:
NOT a convert to Islam. "Typos" can sometimes be fatal to an argument. My apologies extended to all.

Posted by: awake at March 7, 2007 11:32 PM

“Don't even make me say it.

Read my mind.

Yes, that's right.”

Foehammer, your silence is eloquent and speaks volumes. Watched both parts of your video today and found them worthwhile. Keep up the good work! America desperately needs you.

”Thus he was born Paul Hall and now has his Muslim name of Hassan Abujihaad.”

It’s hard to say which is worse. Someone who comes here with the chance for an infinitely better life and instead seeks to do this welcoming nation harm; Or a natural born American citizen who has no hesitations about desecrating his own native soil by violating his military oath to serve and protect. I guess I’ll just have to go with Door Number Two. Traitors have their own particularly rancid stench about them.

If we are going to have any arguments about the death penalty for this maggot, let them be over what voltage or caliber.

”It is a shame that he can only die once.”

Just as it's a shame that he definitely will not die slowly enough.

”I know it sounds cruel and bloodthirsty …”

No it doesn’t, catawhumpus. It sounds sane.

Posted by: Zenster at March 7, 2007 11:45 PM

This is the criminal complaint against AbuJihad. On page 32 you can read his e-mail correspondence with Azzam and Azzam publications

http://www.wnbc.com/download/2007/0308/11197057.pdf

I have no proof that Paul Hall/Abu Jihad is a Black Muslim convert but it sure seems that way with his English name and Muslim name. He has a Somalian wife. He works now for the US Post Office.

Posted by: dennisw at March 8, 2007 12:03 AM

I can't believe the silliness of our western powers, continually allowing these things to happen.....what will it take ????????????

Posted by: marilyn at March 8, 2007 12:55 AM

And how is that new U.S. Marine Corps Mosque coming along at Quantico? Let me guess - the imam is a Wahabbi?

Do they give any supplementary madressa schooling in jihad techniques, including intel gathering?

Another Bush-Nyquist-CAIR betrayal.

Posted by: Jimmy Bones at March 8, 2007 1:05 AM

dennisw said

That nice smiling "Paul Hall" whose real name turns out to be Hassan Abujihaad, or is the name "Hassan Abujihaad" the name of a "reverted" Paul Hall

During the 1950's, if a Navy sailor named Paul Hall changed his name to "Comrade Stalin", it would have raised a few eyebrows.

Is there anyone in the Navy with the foundational knowledge about Islam to be alerted by Paul Hall's choice of name "Abujihaad"? That didn't cause any curiosity with anyone?

Posted by: special_guest at March 8, 2007 1:06 AM

W-A-K-E U-P U.S.A!!!

The enemy is in the Homeland.
They have already infiltrated our Workplaces, our Schools, our Military, our Government.

H-E-L-L-O!!!

Its not if, but when another 9/11 happens..is it going to be enough to finally open the eyes of our nation as a whole that the battle no longer just in the middle east???

T-H-E-Y H-A-V-E A-L-R-E-A-D-Y I-N-V-A-D-E-D!!!

Too bad half the politicians in D.C. are aiding & abetting the enemy, even letting them open our congress with a nice jihad's prayer to its pagan deity. What's that noise I hear? Sounds like Reagan rolling over in his grave :(

Posted by: SoteriA at March 8, 2007 1:14 AM

"I can't believe the silliness of our western powers, continually allowing these things to happen.....what will it take ????????????"

One, two, maybe even three mushroom clouds over major metropolitan centers in the United States. Only when they have sacrificed MILLIONS of good American lives and lost untold TRILLIONS of dollars will our politicians wake up and finally respond to Islam's historic threat with what has always been required, namely, Total War.

When they have finished doing so, we should find lamp posts for every one of them.

Posted by: Zenster at March 8, 2007 1:30 AM

This is crazy!. We spend billons on the CIA, FBI, and on dozens of other intelligence agencies to protect us from these kind of characters, Then we sign them up to serve in our armed forces, and even provide them with Muslim Chaplins to preach a lot of Islamic rot.

Obviously the screwballs that run our government aren't going to do anything about it. They're so blinded by their infatuation with multiculruralism and diversity that they can't see the danger even when the evidence is all around them.

Each of the services should adopt at least one item of clothing -- cap, gloves, anything -- and require that it be made of pigskin. Maybe they won't show up at recruiting stations.

Posted by: rational at March 8, 2007 1:32 AM

Once again demonstrating the fact that there is no clear or easy way to distinguish between Muslims who are peaceful and entirely loyal to the U.S., and those who harbor jihadist sympathies.

This is clearly wrong , there is no such thing as
a moderate muslim therefor none are to be trusted.
What is so hard to comprehend here ?
Muslim loyalty is to Islam A L O N E.

Posted by: aladdinsane57 at March 8, 2007 2:02 AM

Can't we learn from the horrrible immigration mistakes of others? No? Just not possible?

muslim immigration is the slow bleed of western democracies.
we need to push the envelop and make the rest of Westerners aware of the death cult of islam. tell your friends, neighbours about the koran and hadiths,etc.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at March 8, 2007 2:14 AM

Re my post above- that should have been "Norquist" not "Nyquist".

Posted by: Jimmy Bones at March 8, 2007 3:11 AM

OT

FEDERAL police are investigating an anti-Islamic website that calls on supporters across Australia to oppose a mosque planned for North Cairns.

The "Winds of Jihad" website, created by a Cairns man who calls himself Sheik Yer’Mami, includes instructions to "do whatever it takes to stop them (Muslims) from spreading their tentacles".

It also urges opponents of a mosque being built at 31 Dunn St, opposite the Pioneer cemetery, to launch a public campaign against the development.

The Far North’s Muslim spiritual leader Imam Abdul Aziz labelled the website as "vulgar", saying he contacted the Australian Federal Police yesterday to alert them to the website.

He said the AFP was investigating the website because of its offensive and racist content.

Posted by: shiva at March 8, 2007 4:58 AM

all the polls questioning Muslims have revealed the Muslims consider themselves Muslims first and whatever second...They said it and I believe it...Muslims in the military may be a bad idea....MUslims in the post office may be a bad idea too....Muslims in your neighborhood may be a bad idea....

Ban Muslim Immigration now...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at March 8, 2007 6:09 AM

And we worry about gays in the military.

Posted by: jewdog at March 8, 2007 6:18 AM

This has happened too many times. It is the converts who represent the most danger. They have had their empty heads filled with the fresh, new Twenty First Century Islam. Their propensity to seek revenge for the perceived wrongs society has heaped upon them are reinforced by their handlers.

Posted by: Pelayo at March 8, 2007 6:22 AM

Asaalamau Laikum Peoples,

This is an unfortunate and perhaps relatively isolated incident. The nice smiling "Paul Hall" whose real name turns out to be Hassan Abujihaad is guilty of giving up secrets...this is unfortunate. I have two important points to make.

1) Paul Abujihaad I think would have been a patroit and would have given his very life for the Amerike if the enemy would have non-muslim.

If for example you were fighting the Russ, or the Jews or the British....there would have been no problem. So the problem is not that they are disloyal...the problem is choosing the right enemy to fight...can you see this point?

2) This may have been a clever ploy by the Military ...deliberately putting him in a position of trust ...and for him to lead the military to "the enemy".

In both of the above situations ...this is a win-win situation for you...I don't see the problem.

It's only where it's not a military tactic...and/or where you are fightiing in muslim heartland where the slight problem could arise...in this case keep an eye out...simply patrol in double pairs.

Bottom line is that the political price of keeping muslims in the armed forces is worth paying...the odd causality not withstanding.

Posted by: Naseem at March 8, 2007 6:26 AM

"This is an unfortunate and perhaps relatively isolated incident. The nice smiling "Paul Hall" whose real name turns out to be Hassan Abujihaad is guilty of giving up secrets...this is unfortunate. "

...I can understand a Muslim considering the capture of a Muslim Military person giving up secrets as "unfortunate,"...they are both on the same team.....

...What is unfortunate is that some Americans may have died as a direct result of the information passed....

Ban Muslim Immigration now...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at March 8, 2007 6:39 AM

Naseem, in the state where Paul Hall was born, there was a birth certificate issued with the name Paul Hall, that is his real name. Adopting a new name is a ploy used by the cults that sprang up forty years ago - strip the convert of his or her former identity and remake them as the leaders wish.

A soldier, or sailor does not have the right to pick or choose the enemy. The enemy of our nation is his enemy, if he cannot accept that, then he needs to move to a Muslim country. If he is found guilty, he should be hanged.

I cannot see the point.

Posted by: Pelayo at March 8, 2007 6:48 AM

"A soldier, or sailor does not have the right to pick or choose the enemy. The enemy of our nation is his enemy, if he cannot accept that, then he needs to move to a Muslim country. If he is found guilty, he should be hanged"

...Give this man an A.....bingo....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at March 8, 2007 7:15 AM

"Hassan Abujihaad". Abu Jihaad - the father of jihad. How much more hints to his ideology could he possibly have given?

Political correctness probably prevented any information gathering on his background as this would have happened on the basis of his "suspicious" name. And that's profiling - a big big big no!

Instead the west encourages muslims to enter vital key positions in its society. Yet I wonder why this obviously seems to be enforced especially with regards to muslims.
I wonder e.g. if you can become a public servant if you are member of some communist, fascist or mobster group (that is, any group who's ideology is at odds and even in contradiction with either laws or fundamental human rights), officially admit to that and ask for positive discrimination on the basis that the body or group you are part of is underrepresented in the public service with regards to its share in society?

And that anything but a complete approval of you would be outright discrimination of you.

And well, if they still say no, would it then be considered sufficient if you declare you are simply a passive member of such a group but don't actively enforce their agenda?
I really wonder...

Posted by: flibustier at March 8, 2007 7:32 AM

Assalamau Laikum exsgtbrown,

Just a bit of curiousity on my part....

have you ever met any muslims?...
do you have any muslim friends?...
do you live in an area where there are muslims?
do you plan to move to an area where there are muslims?
do you own any weapons?
is many of the Amerike like you?

just curious...you can choose to answer or ignore any/all my questions...I am not "gathering info"...just curious as to what makes you tick...

Posted by: Naseem at March 8, 2007 7:33 AM

It is not as simple as chucking out all Muslims, just Muslims who believe that crap, close down Mosques and religious schools and convert these false Muslims to Western thinking, brain damaged as they are by this Muslim supremacist rubbish. This is what will kill Islam.

My issue all the time is that we allow them to come here and set up support structures to enable Islam to thrive and keep its flock in order, remove that and we will win. Its just getting our PC stupid politicians to get that fact into their head and then act on it and that is it, well apart from doing everything possible to keep modern weapons systems and nukes out of their eager to use them hands.

Posted by: Daffersd at March 8, 2007 8:04 AM

I wonder if this guy is one of the Muslims in Uniform that Eteraz mentioned the other day?
Perhaps the military needs to check out the ones who go to his site?
Anybody here active duty?

Posted by: auntbea at March 8, 2007 8:07 AM

Hi All,

A thought occurred the other day that may be related. Since when did Multiculturalism become Omniculturalism?

Consider the tensions in Belgium between the Dutch speaking and French speaking parts, the tensions in Canada between Quebec and the English speaking provinces, and the bloody relations in Africa between the different tribes when they are shoehorned into one nation (think Hutu and Tutsi or Shona and Ndebele), why would any reasonable nation be required by ideology to accept all comers?

Mutliculturalism is dangerous enough with just two cultures, let alone an entire spectrum inside a national border without a functioning melting pot.

Just curious.
Magooey

Posted by: magooey at March 8, 2007 8:07 AM

Hindu experience of treachery of muslims in army

1. 712AD, Muslim soldiers in hindu kingdom of Sindh defect to the invading muslim armies resulting in loss of Sindh

2. 1300AD, Muslim soldiers in the hindu kingdom of Kashmir stage a coup and islamise kashmir

3. 1570AD , Muslim generals in the hindu kingdom of Vijayanagar defect to invading muslim armies leading to destruction of Vijayanagar

4. 1947, Muslim soldiers in the army of the hindu maharaja of kashmir defect to invading muslim tribals leading to loss of several districts

5. 1948, Muslim soldiers in Indian army defect to Pakistan in Skardu ( kashmir ), leading to loss of Skardu , with Pakistani army proudly declaring
- All sikhs killed, all women raped

Posted by: Shyamsunder at March 8, 2007 8:45 AM

" This may have been a clever ploy by the Military ...deliberately putting him in a position of trust ...and for him to lead the military to "the enemy". "

Yeah Naseem, lay it on thick. I wonder just how many Navy Ships we have anchored in Downtown Baghdad.
I have had the opportunity to witness first hand the treachery of people who sell out the US. It is seldom for money, if it is, it is for so little it's silly.

Just for hoots, I would like to answer your questions.

have you ever met any Muslims?... too many
do you have any Muslim friends?...not anymore, and never did count them as real friends, just acquaintances
do you live in an area where there are Muslims? more than makes me comfortable
do you plan to move to an area where there are Muslims? preferably less than here
do you own any weapons? Not enough - getting more
is many of the Amerike like you? so many more than will make you comfortable

Posted by: auntbea at March 8, 2007 8:55 AM

Muslims who are peaceful and entirely loyal to the U.S.

Ain't no such thing.

Especially if you reword the statement to read Muslims who are by all apperances peaceful and...

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at March 8, 2007 9:17 AM

Well I am sorry to say but the muslims are not fault if the US navy expected loyalty from them.
Stabbinmg in back has been a trait of mslim for 100os of years so cant really blame him for doing what he did.
Wonder if US forces open their eyes atleast now.

Posted by: Rajesh_singh at March 8, 2007 9:25 AM

Many are apologists out of cupidity (so many are on the Arab take, so many academics are supported directly or indirectly by Arab money for their "centers" and their "chairs" and so many want to ensure that they do nothing to antagonize their Muslim colleagues, who are eternally vigilant in monitoring their work, and can cause them all kinds of trouble.

If he were alive today, what would the great Ronald Reagan have to say about the craven behavior nowadays of James Baker, his former Chief of Staff?

I always suspected it was Baker who talked Reagan out of taking action after the barracks were leveled in Beirut, killing 241 Marines.

The man is a toady; he is almost Islamic in his loyalty to the American flag.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at March 8, 2007 9:44 AM

“Well I am sorry to say but the muslims are not fault if the US navy expected loyalty from them. Stabbinmg in back has been a trait of mslim for 100os of years so cant really blame him for doing what he did. Wonder if US forces open their eyes atleast now.”

Posted by: Rajesh_singh

They hired a man of color who swore into the service with these words:

The Oath of Enlistment (for enlistees)

"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

He also knew the creed:

The Sailors' Creed

I am a United States Sailor.
I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States of America and I will obey the orders of those appointed over me.
I represent the fighting spirit of the Navy and those who have gone before me to defend freedom and democracy around the world.
I proudly serve my country's Navy combat team with Honor, Courage and Commitment.
I am committed to excellence and the fair treatment of all.

http://www.military.com/Recruiting/Content/0,13898,rec_step08_creeds,,00.html

He could’ve easily gotten out if he had religious issues that kept him from upholding his pledge. He didn’t. He choose to use his access to classified information against the U.S. and should stand convicted before a military tribunal in a public forum and be subsequently punished in accordance with the UCMJ.

-XRDC

Posted by: XRDC at March 8, 2007 9:55 AM

(From link posted by dennisw)
http://www.cageprisoners.com/articles.php?id=2903

“Deedra Abboud, executive director of the Arizona chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, who is acting as spokeswoman for Abujihaad…”

"He was very surprised to hear he might be connected to anything related to terrorism,"

“…Abujihaad, who lives in the Phoenix area and is, she said, a convert to Islam…”

Here we are again with the Phoenix connection.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/014114.php#c304701

-XRDC

Posted by: XRDC at March 8, 2007 10:10 AM

“Derrick Shareef, 22, of Genoa, Ill., near Chicago…was accused of planning to use hand grenades to attack holiday shoppers at a mall… Shareef and Abujihaad lived together in 2004 when Ahmad was arrested."

Posted by: JBarsimson

That is a notable connection! Why is that not news, I wonder?

-XRDC

Posted by: XRDC at March 8, 2007 10:25 AM

"have you ever met any muslims?...
do you have any muslim friends?...
do you live in an area where there are muslims?
do you plan to move to an area where there are muslims?
do you own any weapons?
is many of the Amerike like you?"

...a lot of questions...lets take one at a time.the first one:have you ever met any muslims?...

...of course, I have encountered muslims, Many work at the convenience stores, gas stations, even here where I work...and they are cordial most of the time, until you start to talk about Islam...I ask, Why does Islam teach violent Jihad. They reply Islam does not teach violent Jihad.. I ask them to give me the Name of one Islamic scholar that teaches against the ideas of violent Jihad and the subjugation of unbelievers and against the the idea that one may gain paradise by killing unbelievers and getting killed in the process.....the Muslim get mad....
...I ask for examples of Islamic religious scholars rejecting, on Islamic ground, jihad violence against non Muslims; rejecting the idea that Sharia law should be instituted in the Muslim and nonMuslim world; and teaching the idea that NonMuslims and Muslims shold live toghther indefinitely as equals...The Muslims get mad...

....I agree there are peaceful Muslims, but Islam is not peaceful...The Muslims get mad

...I note that all eight Madhahib (Islamic schools of jurisprudence),most notably the four principal Sunni madhahib, Shafi'i, Maliki, Hanafi, and the Hanbali all teach jihad and Sharia supremacism..The Muslims get mad.

..I then point out the Muslim dream to rule the world...The Muslims deny this...
I pointed out the Muslims are trying to advance inch by inch and I agree that they are making some headway,I point out that when government schools in this country meed the demands tha Muslim holidays be included on the school calendar, or that special priviledges be bestowed just for Muslims, we see it as a seemingly innocent accomodation,, The Muslims see it as a meaningful victory....The Muslims get mad...

I point out when the European Union seriously considers a regulation making it illegal to make a disparaging remark about any religion (including Islam), The Muslims consider this a victory....

I relate that the many small and insignificant victories such as the world bring immense pressure on Israel to stop its bombardment of Hezbollah is not such a big deal,,well, it is hard to say how lon you are going to have to wait--perhaps days or weeks, perhaps months or years before Hezabollah strikes again. The Muslims Get Mad...

I carry around copies of Muslim Quotes directly from the Qur'an and other Muslim treasured texts...I ask, what is meant by *****, (giving the various references we all are becoming more learned about)...The Muslims get mad...

I have concluded that while Muslims may appear peaceful, moderate, and smiling, they remain loyal adherents to the tenets of Islam...those tenents include world domination or conversion or death of the non Believers.

It has been shown that 80% of the Mosques in the US are now controlled by the Radical elements of Islams and by radical Islamic Clerics...There is no doubt the forces of violent Jihad are being preached in these mosques.

I would advise all who encounter Muslims to become as knowledgable as possible, your knowledge is indeed a weapon against jihad....

I am so thankful for Robert Spencer,Hugh, and the many posters on this website and other websits for giving me the knowledge of what to ask Muslims and how to reply to their flowery explanations of Islam...

I will move on to the next question shortly.

Posted by: exsgtbrown at March 8, 2007 11:09 AM

Try this p.o.s.! If found guilty: A. Find a ship with a yardarm B. Hang p.o.s. from same.

Posted by: MP at March 8, 2007 11:19 AM

"flowery explanations of Islam...." LOL

Nice way of saying "flat out lies"

Posted by: champ at March 8, 2007 11:22 AM

Debbie Sclussel reflects Hugh's views on this today.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at March 8, 2007 11:51 AM

"do you have any muslim friends?...
do you live in an area where there are muslims?"

....In working in the same workplace as several Muslims, Some being from India, Some from Africa,and some Iran (really), and a couple from Pakistan, we exist in the same place at same time and there are no problems (unless you get into a discussion about Islam)...then they try to convert you....They soon found out I carry too much information and ask too many questions that make them nervous...they avoid me now....crazy man they say...

....The Muslims and I , here at work, maintain a relatively cordial association, I seldom see them outside the workplace.

The Muslims outside the workplace tend to be secretive and distant from non Muslim activities..

In the communities that have Muslim populations, there have been complaints from the non Muslims in the areas of vandalism and increased incidences of taunting, arsons,burgleries and various other misdemeanor crimes...There have been few assaults involving Muslims, but the Muslim sounding names always draw attention...

More attention has been given to the Muslim professors in the local universities...Two have been arrested for running a website advocating terrorism, another has been constantly in the news for teaching radical Islamic rhetoric...and for being associated with known terrorist groups..

THe more I look into the Muslims in our area, I am finding out more and more that it is apparent they intend to become the dominant force and that they think they have priority over our system of laws and over our culture (which they are intent of eliminating)..replacing our culture with Islam.

It is not a pretty picture....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at March 8, 2007 11:58 AM

"do you own any weapons?

...absolutely....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at March 8, 2007 11:59 AM

"is many of the Amerike like you?"

...Americans are a diverse people, there origins come from virtually every people on the globe....Ameicans are a curious people and sometimes slow to learn....but once aroused around a common cause can be formidable...

as Americans learn more about Islam they become increasingly united...we read about the sensless violence Muslims are inflicting world wide...too many incidences to be attributed to ""just a minority of Muslims", we become aware that the violence seems to been entirely related to Muslims , Muslims who follow the teaching of the Qur'an , the Surrah, The Hadiths ,etc....They use the texts to justify their actions, they claim the texts cannot be changed , that they are true, that no one can disbelieve...

only one conclusion can be made ,,Islam is inherently a violent entity....History has shown Islam has degraded humanity wherever it has taken hold, degraded the value of human life, degraded the very land the people live on, the only negotiations that work are the negotiations made through the use of force..

I cannot say if there are Americans like me, I am just one individual and in America, one individual can be one within himself, free to choose his way in life, his friends, his vocation, his education, his wife, his place of residence, The American is free to choose just how successful he wants to be.. The Americans follows reasonable laws , do not kill, do not steal, do not rob,do not lie, all probably based on the Ten Commandments as Given in the Bible, The ten commandments are not religious guidelines, they are guidelines for life, they are righ and just...When I look at the Guidelines as given in the Qur'an, I see guidelines such as it is ok to lie, ok to steal, ok to kill, as long as it results in Islam being the ultimate victor...These are not guidelines of a GOD, they are guidelines of a mad man...

I see the constant barrage of senseless Islamic mahem and murder, the constant Islamic pillaging of all that is normal, I see Islam performing ethnic cleansing of all other religions, I see Islam sytematically killing all who refuse to submit,,,I look at Islam and I know I will never submit not convert,, According to Islam I must die,,,Maybe I will die..but not without a fight...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at March 8, 2007 12:19 PM

Naseem ~

have you ever met any muslims?... Yes
do you have any muslim friends?...Impossible - see Qur'an (3.28, 4.144) and other places
do you live in an area where there are muslims? Yes
do you plan to move to an area where there are muslims?
do you own any weapons? Yes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOPuEuJx1MY

is many of the Amerike like you? more every day after each jihad action and every time groups like CAIR protest in the U.S.

Just curious - do you look like this lady?

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:tdx9lKxitGzTRM:www.webwombat.com.au/lifestyle/fashion_beauty/images/ghauri3.JPG

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at March 8, 2007 12:46 PM

Greetings Naseem: In the interest of international understanding, I'll be happy to respond to the questions you posed to exsgtbrown.
1.) Have you met any Muslims? Yes indeed. I live about 40 minutes from Washington D.C. and there is quite a large Muslim population in all of the counties surrounding that city. The last 15 years have seen an increase in the number of Muslims primarily through immigration. Mosques have been built in many neighborhoods.
2.) Do you have any Muslim friends? I have some Muslim co-workers with whom I maintain a cordial but distant relationship. I have never been invited to a Muslim's home nor have I invited a Muslim into mine. Until the 1990's, I had a good opinion of Muslims in general when I thought about them at all. Most of the early Muslim immigrants in my area were well educated, well mannered professional people - physicians, engineers, etc. The European experience has been very different with uneducated Muslims allowed to settle to do jobs Europeans were not willing to do for low pay. In all Western countries, there has also been a movement by government, business, academic and religious leaders towards a more multicultural society. As time has passed, we have more and more uneducated and unskilled Muslim immigrants. In addition, when I put myself in the shoes of Palestinian Arabs who had been displaced by the creation of the state of Israel, I could understand at least some of their animosity.They lost me with their tactics - their unwillingness to compromise, and their willingness to butcher women and children. After the first World Trade Center attack in 1993, I began to study Islam, and found it to be repugnant. Muslims who strictly follow the dictates of their faith are unable to coexist with non-Muslims I was raised as a Christian, although I have been a very poor example of one. I distrust religion in general, and yours in particular. I repudiate any religion which maintains that my children and I are, by definition, "unclean".
3.) Do you own any weapons ? - In the United States we have the right to own weapons, and I have several. Some people enjoy target shooting, others hunt, and others have firearms for self defense. The Second Ammendment of the U.S. Constitution recognizes the right of the people to be armed. The founders of our Nation were concerned about the tendency of government to become tyrannical. They saw an armed populace as a check against the growth of tyranny. I am an expert shot thanks to military and police training. Peace to all people of goodwill.

Posted by: MP at March 8, 2007 1:12 PM

Naseem -

You want to know how I see this thing between Pakis and the rest of us?

Watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdzThgveHwQ&mode=related&search=

Think of dar al-Har as the men buying petrol and playing guitar.

Think of dar al-Islam as the men who work at the petrol station and pump the petrol and the boy on the porch swing.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at March 8, 2007 2:37 PM

Naseem, just a few questions?

What is the relevance of what Muhammad did and said for todays Muslims?

Why is Muhammed call in the Qur'an "uswa hasana" and in Islamic tradition "al-insan al-kamil"

Why did Ayatollah Khomeini of Iran (in his first official act of power) lower the marriage age of girls to 9

How do you define the concept of Dhimmi.

Under Muslim rule, what is required of Christians and non Muslims and what do Christians and non MUslims have to do to remain alive.

What can you tell me about Muhammads marriage to Aisha when she was 9

What can you tell me about the assassination of Asma Bint Marwan, the massacre of the inoffensive Jewish farmers of teh Kaybar oasis, or the decapitation of the 600-900 helpless prisoners of the Banu qurayza....

What can you tell about the Hadith....

so many questions....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at March 8, 2007 2:38 PM

Naseem -

You want to know how I see this thing between Pakis and the rest of us?

Watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdzThgveHwQ&mode=related&search=

Think of dar al-Harb as the men buying petrol and playing guitar.

Think of dar al-Islam as the men who work at the petrol station and pump the petrol and the boy on the porch swing.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at March 8, 2007 2:38 PM

Assalamau Laikum peoples,

I have been pleasantly surprised by the detailed and by all accounts honest (by your viewpoint) answers to my questions....I did not expect such detail....thank you...it high lights what bias muslims can face in the Amerike.

It certainly seems that despite muslims being in your area...you (like the muslims who work with you) have made little attempt to actually integrate. We don't get a chance to feel this type of interactions as nobody makes their way to Pak.

There is much suspicion on both sides ...indeed the thinking is that somehow your house maybe a target if you actually invited them to your houses...but in virtually cases this simply wouldn't be true. I tell you that in most cases...muslims like you simply want to do an honest day's work...and provide a decent environment for their childrens.

Muslims are truly protective towards their womens and faith, and with so many of you having "moved on" from God...this seems like a strange and immoral things from a muslim perspective, muslims do not want their womens to be wild and slutty.

Equally I think muslims know that there will be confrontation in the future...and many imams try to portray a picture of how Muhd had to face similar situations....try to integrate...and if you cannot ...let them integrate to yours.

What is the relevance of what Muhammad did and said for todays Muslims?

Muhd SAW was the messanger of Allah...muslim's viw of this has not changed? The relevence today is as it always was...there is no other way to live and no other faith to compare.

Why did Ayatollah Khomeini of Iran (in his first official act of power) lower the marriage age of girls to 9

Because he was a lund!

How do you define the concept of Dhimmi.

Look, Allah is our creator...and we need to pray to him for the priviledge of being his slaves.

Muslims are Allah's chosen ..and we need to pray...but life has to go on too....Dhimmis..have to do whatever is required to keep life around the muslim going..allowing muslims to pray. Many of the infedel think this as superimist...muslims simply think they are lucky to be born within Islam...the dhimmi is jeleous of this ...deal with it...the dhimmi can always convert to be on par...but his pride holds him back.

Under Muslim rule, what is required of Christians and non Muslims and what do Christians and non MUslims have to do to remain alive.

As above, work to allow the muslim to pray and live within Allah's rules...lots of peoples live and work in muslim countries...do like they do..we ahmadis keep a low profile ...but one day will be the populist face of Islam...but admittely we will need your help here.

What can you tell me about Muhammads marriage to Aisha when she was 9

She was married at the age of 6...the marriage itself was consumated at 9. In all likely hood Aiesha will not have formed adequately to have full sex...but muslims have faith and imagine that Allah protected her...nothing else makes sense I guess ...but I am not sure on this point.

What can you tell me about the assassination of Asma Bint Marwan, the massacre of the inoffensive Jewish farmers of teh Kaybar oasis, or the decapitation of the 600-900 helpless prisoners of the Banu qurayza....

One hell of a way to die!

Posted by: Naseem at March 8, 2007 6:45 PM

What the heck, I'll take Naseem's poll too:

have you ever met any muslims? Yes, my previous (offsite) boss was a Muslim, and several co-workers (not much interaction with them). There are Muslim-owned businesses and restaurants nearby. I was scolded by a Saudi taxidriver for choosing a girlfriend who is 40 years old (she should be barely pubescent, he strenuously argued, in order to maximize the number of children she could have). I had a Pakistani co-worker who took my work and tried to present to our boss as his own. There have been many other interactions, but these pop to mind.
do you have any muslim friends? Not now (actually no time for friends of any nationality or religion). Previously, one of my closest friends at the time was Muslim, though probably not very observant. Spent many pleasant evenings having dinner with his (caucasian) wife and 2 kids. I moved away, and after 9/11 I thought about him. I wonder if has become more observant over time, as his children grew and needed guidance. If not, I would have no trouble picking up our friendship again. And this time, I would initiate many frank conversations about the teachings of Islam.
do you live in an area where there are muslims? Yes, the next big town to the south has the largest concentration of Afghanis outside of Afghanistan. Many other nationalities too.
do you plan to move to an area where there are muslims? Not necessary, see above.
do you own any weapons? No. I learned at a young age how to use a rifle, and have used pistols at the firing range. But as a former felon, I am not allowed to have weapons. Nor do I have a desire. If it comes to it, I know how to use many common household items as improvised weapons to defend myself or my family. And I would use them without hesitation.
is many of the Amerike like you? No, I don't think there are many like me, for better or worse.

Those are honest answers. I wonder if you would give an honest answer to your identity. Whatever you say here, it could be said equally well without the fictional persona.

Posted by: special_guest at March 8, 2007 7:04 PM

have you ever met any muslims?...

Where do I start, Naseem? When I was in 4th-5th grade, most of the gang of my class bullies were Muslims - and pretty disgusting ones at that. In the 6th grade, I had a Muslim classmate who told me the story of Neil Armstrong's conversion to Islam after seeing 'Allah' written on the moon. Of course, I had no idea who Neil Armstrong was at the time.

That was in India. In the US, I've met Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, had a Kuwaiti classmate in college, and now have some Muslim colleagues. Since discrimination in employment is banned, don't have much choice in this matter.

do you have any muslim friends?...

Thankfully no. I keep my distance. And none of my friends - mostly marxist - have any illusions about what I think about both Islam and Communism.

do you live in an area where there are muslims?

Depends on how large the area you are describing is. In my immediate neighborhood, no. In the Bay Area at large, unfortunately yes. It's a shame that there are so many Muslims in the US, when there are several times as many good infidels from other countries who'd like to move here for all the right reasons - to become Americans, not to make America become them-istans.

do you plan to move to an area where there are muslims?

No. In fact, that would be a criteria I use to rule out any particular place. If I had a choice, I'd leave the Bay Area, but unfortunately, that's where most of the jobs in my line of work are.

do you own any weapons?

No, I'm such a lousy shot, that I'd probably end up shooting Infidels if I had one even if I was surrounded by Muslims.

is many of the Amerike like you?

Like some of the others above, I doubt it.

I have one question, Naseem, and I'm serious. Do you Pakistanis dream of re-conquering India and re-establishing the Moghul empire?

Posted by: Infidel Pride at March 8, 2007 8:38 PM

Muslim culture has been a backstabber culture for 1000+ years. They have ,thay are and they will stab in the back the one who trusts them .
Its written in their quran to do so.
Beware and as far as possible do not employ,befriend them.
Naseem is a perfect example of so call self proclaimed moderate muslim, becos even she so passionetly demands Islamic dominance of world.

Posted by: Rajesh_singh at March 8, 2007 9:42 PM

"Naseem is a perfect example of so call self proclaimed moderate muslim, becos even she so passionetly demands Islamic dominance of world."

....sad the the worlds Muslims consider her Muslim sect as non Muslims....Muslim periodically kill her sect members as if they were infidels....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at March 9, 2007 9:03 AM

What happens to bother me the most is the fact that i am a 7th generation american and a patriot. of the USA soil i was born and reared in the midwest illinois, and it hurts That so many people throw all muslims in the pot of terrorism, As i know that there are many extremists, but at the same time there are people like me, Has anyone ever thought here that it was a american muslim who helped lock these idiots up, have they ever thought the scrutiny that this muslim has dealt with from his own community who has thrown him out of the community for helping the government, has everyone even thought about thanking him, see we forget my family faught in every war in the USA from the time of the revolution my great grandpa lived in new hanover pennsylvania. and his sons faught the revolution, my 5th and 4th fought the civil war from rockford and freeport illinois, so please do not throw all muslims in one pot
we live in a country that gives americans the rights to his own beliefs, It is up to the muslims to police theirselves, which they dont do, They are guilty of this, But the poor CS on this case he was Muslim and he was a patriot and american born so lets keep a open mind when it comes to Muslims in general, Thank you

Posted by: jameel daughenbaugh at March 9, 2007 1:36 PM

"Each of the services should adopt at least one item of clothing -- cap, gloves, anything -- and require that it be made of pigskin."

If it does not offend Jews to wear such an article, then I'm all for the idea.

Posted by: Zenster at March 9, 2007 8:45 PM