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Yesterday I was on the Jeff Katz Show on WBT in Charlotte, North Carolina, a show on which I have appeared before, and this morning I wake up to see myself in the center of some controversy. Imagine that.
"Muslims boycott Charlotte talk show: Less sarcasm, more balance?" by Tim Funk in the Charlotte Observer, with thanks to Morgaan Sinclair:
Some local Muslims are urging people to boycott advertisers of WBT's "Jeff Katz Show," saying the conservative radio talker insults their religion with "hate-filled" comments on the air.
Here again, for "'hate-filled' comments," read "comments exploring the elements of Islam that many Muslims are using around the world today to justify their acts of violence." One would think that Muslims who profess to abhor the violence perpetrated in the name of their religion would welcome honest and respectful discussion of what needs reforming within Islam. Instead, we get learned analysts telling us that speaking about the elements of Islam that give rise to violence will lead Muslims who reject that violence to take it up, and protestors in Charlotte calling such investigations "hate-filled."
At a Wednesday news conference, Jibril Hough of the Charlotte-based Islamic Political Party of America charged that Katz speaks mockingly about Muslims and showcases only critics of Islam on his 3-6 p.m. show at 1110 AM.
I don't have the chance to listen to his show regularly, but I can say that Katz has never spoken mockingly about Muslims while I have been on his show.
"His agenda has been one of inciting fear, hatred and ignorance against Muslims," said Hough, who is also spokesman for the Islamic Center of Charlotte. "His type of rhetoric would not be allowed against any other minority community ..."Asked for specifics, Hough said Katz sarcastically refers to Islam as "the religion of peace"; distorts passages in the Koran, the Muslims' sacred book; calls Muslims who disagree with him "apologists for terrorists"; and refuses to let Hough and other Muslims speak on his show.
The sarcastic reference to the Religion of Peace is understandable, given the large number of terrorist attacks committed by Muslims in the name of their religion and the irony that this is the religion that has been designated the Religion of Peace by George Bush, Tony Blair, and others.
Distorts passages in the Qur'an? I don't know what this is referring to, but since I have been accused by the truth-challenged Khaleel Mohammed and other Islamic apologists of "misquoting" the Qur'an when I rely scrupulously on translations made by Muslims for Muslims (and they couldn't produce any examples of this misquoting when asked), I suspect all that Hough means here is that Katz actually quotes the Qur'an.
And are some Muslims "apologists for terrorists"? Unfortunately, when we have the specter of peaceful Muslims doing little or nothing about the jihadists and then holding this up as a virtue, that is a reasonable characterization.
Katz, who is among the leading ratings performers in afternoon drive, rejected the group's characterization of his comments as bigoted. The Philadelphia native said he has merely expressed his frustration that too few Muslims have spoken out against terrorism."I've been looking for the reasonable, moderate, sensible voice of Islam that says, `Stop killing in our name,' " said Katz, who came to Charlotte in August from San Francisco radio. "There are one billion Muslims in the world. I don't for a second think there are one billion terrorists ... But (radical Islamic) groups have cowed people -- including practicing Muslims -- into not speaking out."
Katz added that he's become more hopeful this week, after a so-called "Secular Islam Summit" in St. Petersburg, Fla., was held to "stand (up) against radical Islam," according to promotional literature for the summit."It reminded me of the Founding Fathers," said Katz, who discussed the summit on his Wednesday show with guest Robert Spencer -- the source of another complaint from local Muslims. Spencer is creator of www.jihadwatch.org and author of several books that have been criticized by Muslims, including "The Truth About Muhammad: Founder of the World's Most Intolerant Religion."
Criticized, yes. Refuted? Hardly. No one has even tried to refute my book. Is anything I say in the book inaccurate? As the Qur'an says, "Bring your proof, if you be truthful" (2:111; 27:64). Good advice.
Also, if anyone cares actually to open the book, he or she will see that there is nothing abusive, hateful, or disrespectful about it. It examines Muhammad's life and teachings, as they are set forth in Muslim texts, and discusses the implications of those teachings. If Muslims criticize that, they should also criticize Ibn Ishaq, Bukhari, and my other Muslim sources.
Katz's positive take on the "secular Islam summit" was not shared by some: A Georgetown University professor who teaches about Islam and Christianity told The St. Petersburg Times that the summit was a collection of extremists."Legitimate scholars are horrified by the lineup," said Yvonne Haddad. "Basically, it's everyone known for damning Islam."
Extremists, eh? Name-calling is easy. Now as to substance, let me ask Yvonne Haddad something: which point or points of the St. Petersburg Declaration does she reject? Which does she think are "extremist"? The document calls on Muslims to affirm the freedom of conscience and peaceful coexistence as equals with non-Muslims. Oh, the extremism!
Hough said he and other moderate Muslims have spoken out against radical Islamic terrorists since the attacks of Sept. 11. He urged Katz to tone down his comments about Muslims at a time when reports of attacks on Muslims are on the rise.
What programs has Hough instituted in his mosque to teach his people not to be susceptible to the jihadist ideology of Islamic supremacism?
In January, five members of the Guilford College football team in Greensboro were charged with beating a group of Palestinian students. The students told authorities the players hit and kicked them while calling them "terrorists."As of Wednesday, 129 people had signed Hough's petition (at www.PetitionOnline.com/jeffkatz/petition.html) to boycott the advertisers.
WBT general manager Rick Jackson stood by Katz, saying he's never heard the host say anything hateful or bigoted.
And Jackson defended the show's one-sided view: "Talk radio is not about balance, it's about opinions."
Attacks by idiots on Muslim passersby are always deplorable, but they should not be used to intimidate people away from speaking honestly about the elements of Islam that are inciting violence today. And it should be noted that CAIR and other Islamic advocacy groups know well the political capital such attacks give them.
Posted by Robert at March 8, 2007 8:29 AM
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Oh my! Someone insulted a lie with truth.
Far, far worse than sarcasm is warranted.
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at March 8, 2007 9:37 AM
R. Spencer wrote: 'Refuted? Hardly. No one has even tried. Is anything I say in the book inaccurate? As the Qur'an says, "Bring your proof, if you be truthful" (2:111; 27:64). Good advice.'
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Give me time. I am, in fact, working on exactly that refutation and I've yet to have a single Muslim bring me one point of evidence to deny my pulling apart of Muhammad's mythology yet.
It won't happen. I know I'm right, and that makes me very dangerous.
Posted by: Foehammer at March 8, 2007 9:41 AM
Please, I hope muslims boycott America itself AND LEAVE OUR COUNTRY TODAY!!
All muslims need to leave with their cult of death. America itself will smell better once all of them are gone.
Mohammed-biological waste be upon him.
Posted by: Hungarian Crusader at March 8, 2007 9:48 AM
OK, Robert - I'll call you on a very minor point.
I remember, while reading "The Truth ...", a line which didn't appear to be a quote, containing the phrase "he sneered". I honestly felt that was out of place.
Posted by: Occupant at March 8, 2007 10:09 AM
Occupant:
Thanks.
"The Muslims seized the robe of gold brocade that Ukaydir was wearing and presented it to Muhammad, who sneered: 'By Him in whose hand is my life the napkins of Sa‘d b. Mu‘adh' – the Muslim warrior who had ordered the mass execution of the Qurayzah Jews – 'are better than this.' Ukaydir agreed to pay the jizya, and Muhammad opted not to have him put to death. Shortly thereafter the Prophet of Islam returned to Medina, where he maintained his headquarters even after the conquest of Mecca."
They presented him with the gold brocade robe of a Christian leader. Muhammad replied that the napkins of a Muslim warrior were superior to the robe. I think "sneered" is a reasonable characterization of this.
Cordially
Robert Spencer
at March 8, 2007 10:13 AM
Just to make myself clear on my earlier remarks, I misread Robert's statement and believed he was referring to a refutation of Islam not being attempted. I was not referring to his book "The Truth About..." or any of his other books for that matter, and I have most of them on my shelves. My respect for R. Spencer's work is well-known by now, regardless.
Since I just posted 'Refuting Islam Part 1' on YouTube yesterday, that keyword 'refute' spurred my typing fingers into action. I'll have to read a little more carefully -- but as most of us know, the amount of information to deal with each day in reference to Islamic jihad is so staggering, sometimes that scan-mode reading allows for an error or two.
(Again, I wish for an editing function in these comments -- maybe for Christmas?)
Posted by: Foehammer at March 8, 2007 10:16 AM
Anyone speaking about the religion of submission is indeed speaking words of hatred and of and about hatred - because the religion of submission is the most complete and oldest codification into "sacred doctrine" of as many forms of hatred possibly known to the human race and allows the practice thereof in the name of a supreme being. While at the same time it allows any and all "persons who submit" to deny this very fact. It is impossible to not discuss hatred and violence when speaking of the religion of submission. Can anyone name any period of its history that is not intricately interwoven (and utterly dependent on) with violence.
Posted by: TINBH at March 8, 2007 10:17 AM
More accusations of "mis-interpreting" or "mis-quoting" the Koran..."
I've quoted a few of the pertinent, and often repeated talking points:
More Interfaith indoctrination of the naive...
"Our Muslim neighbors"
You can get to know them better at 'Interfaith Conversations' event
BY TERI MADDOX
News-Democrat
"After 9/11, Belleville psychotherapist Mohammed Kibria noticed people began treating him as "stupid" or "dangerous" or both. He faced intense security checks at airports and eventually was asked to leave his job at a mental-health facility.
...On the other hand, Kibria doesn't believe Americans should blame all Muslims for the radical views of a relatively small number of terrorists."
"When Timothy McVeigh (blew up the federal building in Oklahoma City), people didn't say, 'Christians did that,'" he said." (Because there is nothing in the Christian religious texts that justify killing, as opposed to passages of the Quran that do)
... Nobody can show me it's in the Quran to kill people. They threw stones and feces at the Prophet Muhammad, and he never reacted. He prayed for them. He forgave them." (Don't we all beg to differ?)
"...In his free time, Kibria works to increase understanding of the Muslim faith as a founding board member for Metro-East Interfaith Partnership, a group of local ministers and lay leaders who sponsor workshops and other activities." (The latter are now referred to as "dhimmis")
"(Muslims) are by nature mellow people," (Hmm, 1400+year history of islam does not back that up)
said Kibria, 59, past president of the Mosque and Islamic Education Center of Belleville.
"We don't want to speak out. But that's not good. We need to stand up for ourselves."
Kibria will speak on "Allah, Quran and the Prophet's Last Sermon." Other topics include "Getting to Know Your Muslim Neighbors" by Waheed Rana and "Shia and Sunni: Differences and Similarities" by Dr. Shabbir Safdar.
"One of Kibria's goals is finding common ground between people of Muslim, Christian, Jewish and other faiths. For example, all see Jesus and Moses as important spiritual leaders and historical figures." (Why is it that muslims ignore all of Christ's teachings then if he was such an important spiritual leader to them?)
"The Quran probably is the most read book in the world, but it is probably the most misunderstood book in the world," Kibria said. "When you try to translate something that's in a divine language, there will always be some distortion."
"Kibria describes most devout Muslims as loving, kind, gentle, pious and extremely clean people who are taught to respect others, including women and people of all races."
Today, Kibria has dual citizenship in the United States and Bangladesh. He praises his adopted country as being full of good people, vast opportunities and fair laws. He hopes his interfaith efforts will help metro-east residents see their Muslim neighbors as friends, not enemies.
"Religion is the mother of morals and definer of justice," Kibria said. "That's what I believe, and racial profiling is not a justice.""
Contact reporter Teri Maddox at tmaddox@bnd.com or 345-7822, ext. 26.
"Interfaith Conversations: Getting to Know Your Muslim Neighbors"
http://www.belleville.com/mld/belleville/living/16857523.htm
Posted by: jawa at March 8, 2007 10:19 AM
"Katz's positive take on the 'secular Islam summit' was not shared by some: A Georgetown University professor who teaches about Islam and Christianity told The St. Petersburg Times that the summit was a collection of extremists.
'Legitimate scholars are horrified by the lineup,' said Yvonne Haddad. 'Basically, it's everyone known for damning Islam.'
-- from the article above
This is the single most self-damning thing that Yvonne Haddad, an islamochristian Arab in the pay of John Esposito, himself in the pay, directly and indirectly, of Muslim Arabs, has ever said.
Posted by: Hugh at March 8, 2007 10:24 AM
It's quite annoying how little Islam and Muhammad actually come under any real scrutiny from a purely cerebral standpoint. I view the entire cult as an insult to my own intelligence.
In other words, the more I learn, the more I "un-believe".
Shame we can't bottle that philosophy and send it to the Middle East by the crate-load.
Posted by: Foehammer at March 8, 2007 10:34 AM
, Kibria can stick his interfaith somewhere else. there is nothing redeeming about islam period. so called moderates do nothing, and only encourage more violence by their silence.
Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at March 8, 2007 10:46 AM
Sounds more like Muslims boycott the truth... as per normal!
Posted by: Daffersd at March 8, 2007 10:51 AM
Look what they're trying to do to me:
And now the hatemail comes in big time....
Stay tuned!
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at March 8, 2007 10:52 AM
A boycott can be a two way street. Perhaps Mr. Katz's listeners (and sponsors) will think twice before doing business with muslims.
Posted by: MP at March 8, 2007 10:56 AM
... Nobody can show me it's in the Quran to kill people. They threw stones and feces at the Prophet Muhammad, and he never reacted. He prayed for them. He forgave them." (Don't we all beg to differ?)
No one at Jihad Watch falls for such lies. This Muslim spokesman is in "deceive the infidel" mode. He knows there are plenty of liberal mush heads out there who will happily lap it up. Because who wants to believe that a major faith isn't approximately like Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism etc. This is where the ubiquitous comparative religion courses have done the most damage. By teaching one God, different paths. Heck, I used to believe that nice stuff.
Islam is the great aberration and exception to this self-soothing ecumenical bull.
o- Islam does not believe in the Golden Rule -Do unto others as you would have done unto you. Christians and Jews do
o- Islam does not believe in live and let live. Islam believes in Jihad wars until the whole world is Muslim
Posted by: dennisw at March 8, 2007 10:59 AM
"Exposing" Islam and Muhammad is not the same as "lying" about them.
Those intent on attacking Robert, or anyone else courageous enough to speak the truth by exposing Mo & Islam, are the one's who are LYING, because they are attempting to keep us in the dark.
Thanks for exposing the Truth, Robert!
Posted by: champ at March 8, 2007 10:59 AM
Boycott?
Here's what to do.
1) Boycott all businesses known to be owned by those who support, or are likely to support, or are likely to support or be otherwise closely connected to those who support, a boycott of the radio program.
2) Go out of your way to frequent those businesses that do advertise on the program in question, and make sure that you tell them why.
Do this, again and again.
Posted by: Hugh at March 8, 2007 11:04 AM
Ms. Haddad, name those 'legitimate' scholars for me. Is that Esposito, Ernst and Armstrong? Are those the 'legitimate' scholars?
CAIR successfully railroaded Graham out of Washington DC radio. I doubt if this will happen to Katz.
Posted by: John Sobieski at March 8, 2007 11:18 AM
come on, i doubt any muslims that were offended actually listened to that radio station in the first place. by announcing their boycott they probably actually increased listerership to the station and jeff's show, in particular. not very bright on their part. but, then again, i don't think they make that claim.
Posted by: abu yussif at March 8, 2007 11:25 AM
Pact of Umar (7th Century)
The Status of Non-Muslims Under Muslim Rule
After the rapid expansion of the Muslim dominion in the 7th century,
Muslims leaders were required to work out a way of dealing with Non-Muslims,
who remained in the majority in many areas for centuries. The solution was to
develop the notion of the "dhimma", or "protected person". The Dhimmis were
required to pay an extra tax, but usually they were unmolested. This compares well
with the treatment meted out to non-Christians in Christian Europe. The Pact of
Umar is supposed to have been the peace accord offered by the Caliph Umar to the
Christians of Syria, a "pact" which formed the pattern of later interaction.
We heard from 'Abd al-Rahman ibn Ghanam [died 78/697] as follows: When
Umar ibn al-Khattab, may God be pleased with him, accorded a peace to the
Christians of Syria, we wrote to him as follows:
In the name of God, the Merciful and Compassionate. This is a letter to the servant
of God Umar [ibn al-Khattab], Commander of the Faithful, from the Christians of
such-and-such a city. When you came against us, we asked you for safe-conduct
(aman) for ourselves, our descendants, our property, and the people of our
community, and we undertook the following obligations toward you:
We shall not build, in our cities or in their neighborhood, new monasteries,
Churches, convents, or monks' cells, nor shall we repair, by day or by night, such
of them as fall in ruins or are situated in the quarters of the Muslims.
We shall keep our gates wide open for passersby and travelers. We shall give
board and lodging to all Muslims who pass our way for three days.
We shall not give shelter in our churches or in our dwellings to any spy, nor bide
him from the Muslims.
We shall not teach the Qur'an to our children.
We shall not manifest our religion publicly nor convert anyone to it. We shall not
prevent any of our kin from entering Islam if they wish it.
We shall show respect toward the Muslims, and we shall rise from our seats when
they wish to sit.
We shall not seek to resemble the Muslims by imitating any of their garments, the
qalansuwa, the turban, footwear, or the parting of the hair. We shall not speak as
they do, nor shall we adopt their kunyas.
We shall not mount on saddles, nor shall we gird swords nor bear any kind of arms
nor carry them on our- persons.
We shall not engrave Arabic inscriptions on our seals.
We shall not sell fermented drinks.
We shall clip the fronts of our heads.
We shall always dress in the same way wherever we may be, and we shall bind the
zunar round our waists
We shall not display our crosses or our books in the roads or markets of the
Muslims. We shall use only clappers in our churches very softly. We shall not
raise our voices when following our dead. We shall not show lights on any of the
roads of the Muslims or in their markets. We shall not bury our dead near the
Muslims.
We shall not take slaves who have been allotted to Muslims.
We shall not build houses overtopping the houses of the Muslims.
(When I brought the letter to Umar, may God be pleased with him, he added, "We
shall not strike a Muslim.")
We accept these conditions for ourselves and for the people of our community,
and in return we receive safe-conduct.
If we in any way violate these undertakings for which we ourselves stand surety,
we forfeit our covenant [dhimma], and we become liable to the penalties for
contumacy and sedition.
Umar ibn al-Khittab replied: Sign what they ask, but add two clauses and impose
them in addition to those which they have undertaken. They are: "They shall not
buy anyone made prisoner by the Muslims," and "Whoever strikes a Muslim with
deliberate intent shall forfeit the protection of this pact."
from Al-Turtushi, Siraj al-Muluk, pp. 229-230.
---------------------------------------------------
I am sure that muslims hate the fact that we can read their texts for ourselves now.
at March 8, 2007 11:27 AM
This one is one of my favorites:
http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/misc/alshifa/pt4ch1sec2.htm
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at March 8, 2007 11:35 AM
Does Mr. Katz have any national sponsors? If so, perhaps those of us who do not live in his market can support him as Hugh suggests.
Posted by: MP at March 8, 2007 11:47 AM
One by one, Muslim activists are unloading on so many radio talk shows that it won't be long before the entire radio talk show circuit is 'Islamophobic'. That is a key element of GOP support, and once that's alienated, the GOP would then have to choose between their radio support base, vs. Mohammedans.
Show me the numbers.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at March 8, 2007 11:48 AM
Excellent link, Sheik.
So, Muhammad was "just an apostle" according to his own words in the Quran, and yet his followers deem him "perfect" -- just goes to show you how far Muslims will go to substantiate their own right to browbeat the world into "submission" -- they go even further than Muhammad himself envisioned.
Islam is like a gigantic bathtub of hate and Muhammad left the water running for 1300 years and counting.
Posted by: Foehammer at March 8, 2007 11:50 AM
jawa,
The Timothy McVeigh reference in that article is maddening. I'd like to dig him up and kill him all over again. He will be forever used by jihadis to make themselves look reasonable.
/although I believe he was associated with jihad
at March 8, 2007 11:54 AM
'It is compulsory upon every responsible Muslim to study the Arabic Language'
Imam Shafi (Ar-Risalah)
--
But the Muslim Arabs aren't racist or anything...
Posted by: Foehammer at March 8, 2007 11:57 AM
"His type of rhetoric would not be allowed against any other minority community ..."
Has it occured that "this type of rhetoric" isn't required against any other community?
Posted by: Uriel Septim at March 8, 2007 11:59 AM
Most of the people who signed the online petition against Jeff Katz, just signed it to express their support for Jeff Katz in the comment column. ^^
http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?jeffkatz
It's good to see people starting to realize the truth about islam.
Posted by: Max75 at March 8, 2007 12:03 PM
At least, if they do not have muslim names...
Posted by: Max75 at March 8, 2007 12:05 PM
The Islamic Political Party of America
--
I'm sorry, but that site just gives me the urge to hurl my lunch.
Posted by: Foehammer at March 8, 2007 12:36 PM
Have you noticed that since the St. Petersberg's conference, CAIR is starting to feel the heat being breathed down the back of its neck?
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at March 8, 2007 12:46 PM
If this is all it takes, let every western nation make the words of Katz a sort of pre preamble to the Constitutions so Muslims can all go back to the sand spits they crawled out of.
People don't seem to understand that if the 40 million Muslim welfare sucklings were all dropped back into their host Islamic nations they would all implode as they could not deal with that kind of welfare bill.
It would end 80 percent of terrorism as all the resources would be eaten up in the turban heads in power trying to keep the locals from cutting off their heads in revolution.
at March 8, 2007 12:51 PM
Okay WHERE are the 'moderate' muslims???? Comeon, if you are AGAINST terrorism, speak up! After all, you are living in a country where freedom of speech still exists!
I'm waiting? HELLO? ANYONE OUT THERE???
Posted by: The Goobs at March 8, 2007 1:05 PM
Here's an article on Yvonne Haddad:
http://www.campus-watch.org/article/id/1446
Posted by: Harpua at March 8, 2007 1:29 PM
"Hough said he and other moderate Muslims have spoken out against radical Islamic terrorists since the attacks of Sept. 11."
-From the article
More empty words, without providing one single example of where and when this "speaking out" takes place.
"He urged Katz to tone down his comments about Muslims at a time when reports of attacks on Muslims are on the rise."
-From the article
More empty words, without providing one shred of evidence as to the source or actual existence of these "reports".
"A Georgetown University professor who teaches about Islam and Christianity told The St. Petersburg Times that the summit was a collection of extremists."
-From the article
More empty words, without mentioning anyone who would conceivably be an adequate choice to speak at this summit.
The loathing of the truth seems to runs so deep in the Islamist, that they basically have dropped it from their thoughts and actions completely. Equal to their disdain of the truth, is the obviousness of the lack of truth presented in their words and actions. If it is so obvious, why isn't anyone really noticing?
Posted by: awake at March 8, 2007 1:49 PM
SEND GEORGETOWN AN EMAIL RE: YVONNE HADDAD!
LET THEM KNOW-THEY WILL BE LIABLE!
email to: hoyasonline@georgetown.edu
Dear Sirs,
Yvonne Haddad, a professor on your faculty has just condemned the signatories of
the St. Petersburg Declaration. She has called the secular-minded Muslims who
endorce separation of Church and State "extremists."
Do you know what the "St. Petersburg Declaration" is?
Go here to find out:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/015523.php
Which parts of the St. Petersburg Delaration does Yvonne Hasddad think are
"extremist"? The document calls on Muslims to affirm the freedom of conscience
and peaceful coexistence as equals with non-Muslims. The document asserts the inviolable freedom of the individual conscience. The document affirms the equality of all human persons and the observance of universal human rights.
The St. Petersbergcall on the governments of the world to eliminate practices, such as female circumcision, honor killings and forced marriage.
The fact that Haddad has condemned the signatories of this important "reformist"
Islamic declaration indicates that she has an Islamist/Wahabbi agenda.
You absolutely must fire this recidivist, anti-intellectual and dangerously
anti-American academic fraud.
Bear in mind that victims of future Jihadi attacks on American soil will hold
institutions like Georgetown University responsible for sanctioning and
promoting Muslim terrorist apologists and propogandists like Yvonne Haddad.
Consider this a warning.
Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at March 8, 2007 2:52 PM
He urged Katz to tone down his comments about Muslims at a time when reports of attacks on Muslims are on the rise. (from the article)
I read and watch the news constantly. Quite frankly if people are attacking Muslims in our country it is NOT making the news.
Maybe it's just a lot of dirty looks. My Dad used to punish me quite severely for rolling my eyes at him when I thought he was being stupid. Eventually I figured out that was not healthy to do.
Is there a website where these attacks can be viewed?
"After 9/11, Belleville psychotherapist Mohammed Kibria noticed people began treating him as "stupid" or "dangerous" or both. He faced intense security checks at airports and eventually was asked to leave his job at a mental-health facility." (from above post)
Sounds like this guy was being paranoid and if he was being outrageous enough, of course they don't want him counselling people who have their own mental problems. He could have been fired for a totally different reason. But there is always that victim mentality.
Posted by: auntbea at March 8, 2007 3:08 PM
"Legitimate scholars are horrified by the lineup," said Yvonne Haddad. "Basically, it's everyone known for damning Islam."
This statement is challenged on this blog site, but this audience here is already well aware of the connection between canonical Moslem texts and jihad. However, I can't help but one wonder how Ms. Haddad's assertion was handled by the reporters, as it was uttered. Was there anyone present, familiar enough with the issues, to put a follow-up question to Ms. Haddad, asking her to explain just how the people present at the conference damn Islam? For example Irshad Manji, despite threats and vilification, still speaks of herself as Moslem, which seems to be hardly a condemnation of Islam. And perhaps more importantly, even if the reporters present knew enough to ask fair but challenging questions, would they have the nerve to do so.
Posted by: Chatillon at March 8, 2007 3:13 PM
Ynkedoodle wrote:
Bear in mind that victims of future Jihadi attacks on American soil will hold institutions like Georgetown University responsible for sanctioning and promoting Muslim terrorist apologists and propogandists like Yvonne Haddad.
Wouldn't it be nice if the survivors of future victims of jihad attacks would, after the fact, bring thousands of civil suits against various individuals and institutions whose influentially politically correct policies and public persuasions indirectly aided and abeted those jihadists by directly hamstringing our efforts at self-defense during the years leading up to those attacks?
Posted by: remote_control at March 8, 2007 5:49 PM
Katz's page at WBT appears to have been hacked. All the text turns blue in a block when touched by a cursor and none of the links work I tried except for the LGF one and it goes to some nonsense message.
Katz has been emailed.
The internet jihad disinformation dudes are at work again. Nobody must talk about islam or question anything.
Posted by: Abraham_Lincoln at March 8, 2007 6:45 PM
Here's an account of Dr Yvonne Haddad's presentation at the Al-Hewar Center about Christian-Muslim Relations in 1997:
"Dr. Haddad began by examining the history of Christian-Muslim relations. She noted that Islam spread into Christian territory right from the beginning. Its first encounter was with the Byzantines (i.e., the Greek Orthodox Church) who treated the Muslims as a Christian heresy. The Byzantines had spent five centuries combating the Nestorians, the Aryans, and every other "Christian heresy" that had surfaced, and in their view, Islam was just another one. So this colored the Christian view of Islam from the beginning, said Haddad."
"The second major encounter between Islam and Christianity was with the Catholic European Church. This encounter was more bloody, said Haddad, because when the Crusaders came to the East, they weren’t interested in dialogue or theological debates, they were more interested in acquiring property, establishing colonies and controlling the area. They accomplished this by killing everyone, including Eastern Christians (except those who collaborated with them), both in Antioch and in Jerusalem. They perpetrated huge massacres, and eventually sacked Constantinople itself."
Yup, invading Syria, Iraq and Persia weren't violent or bloody. Invading Egypt, destroying Christian North Africa, conquering Spain and invading France 300 years before the Crusades weren't violent or bloody. This was just the peaceful expansion of Islam.
This type of thinking is on the faculty of Georgetown University. Think about that when your kids tell you, they want to go to Georgetown.
Posted by: Jabba the Tutt at March 9, 2007 7:07 AM
A Georgetown University professor who teaches about Islam and Christianity told The St. Petersburg Times that the summit was a collection of extremists.
“[A] collection of extremists”?!? You just can’t this stuff up!
”Hough said he and other moderate Muslims have spoken out against radical Islamic terrorists since the attacks of Sept. 11. He urged Katz to tone down his comments about Muslims at a time when reports of attacks on Muslims are on the rise.“
More taqiyya. It’s attacks by Muslims that are on the rise. The Muslim community in America has gone almost entirely unscathed, despite its obviously tacit approval of terrorism. This is more misdirection to remove all focus on Muslim wrongdoings in America. Someone should show this treacherous maggot the list of Sudden Jihad Syndrome attacks that continue against American citizens on a regular basis.
” (Again, I wish for an editing function in these comments -- maybe for Christmas?)”
Foehammer, any ability to edit would swiftly be abused by our foes to re-script their statements and mischaracterize any responses. It is up to us to ensure that our contributions are scrupulously proofread and edited before posting. I have no problem with this at all. Intellectual honesty is of far greater importance than having to re-post about a preceding error.
” The loathing of the truth seems to runs so deep in the Islamist, that they basically have dropped it from their thoughts and actions completely.”
There’s an old say about; “People who aren’t on speaking terms with the truth.”
” Wouldn't it be nice if the survivors of future victims of jihad attacks would, after the fact, bring thousands of civil suits against various individuals and institutions whose influentially politically correct policies and public persuasions indirectly aided and abeted those jihadists by directly hamstringing our efforts at self-defense during the years leading up to those attacks?”
Civil suits should be the least of their concerns. When that time comes, they should be far more worried about their proximity to the nearest lamppost.
Posted by: Zenster at March 9, 2007 8:06 PM
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