Yikes. Looks like all of us infidels need to leave CA, since it's part of the ummah, like Palestine, Phillipines, Serbia, India, Thailand, et al.

So what would be their capital? Oakland? Berkeley? SF? And wouldn't Pelosi, Boxer, Feinstein, et al be pissed when they find that they'll have to switch from Progressive Secular to Islam if they want to retain their posts?

Posted by: Infidel Pride at March 8, 2007 5:09 PM

This business of Muslims having discovered California is of a piece with the attempt to get Americans to believe that Muslims were along on Columbus' voyage, when in fact there were none, but there were several Jews, and Columbus's angel was a Jewish financier, Santangel. But was it not our very own State Department that, during a recent Columbus Day, issued some kind of remark about the Muslim participation in the discovery of America -- la scoperta dell'America -- that was utterly false, and when called on it, that State Department suddenly went silent (see the JW Archives for more on this).

And the claim about California being discovered by Muslims is of a piece with the attempt to convince black Americans that the tribal stock from which they came was Muslim, when in fact there were few Muslims, before the 1904 Jihad that began in Sokoto, in that coastal part of West Africa from which the slaves for the Atlantic Passage were taken. The Arab slavers conducted their business in East Africa (based on Pemba and Zanzibar, thence by dhow to Muscat), and in the interior of Africa. They made it to what is now northern Nigeria, but not to the coastal regions.

And it is of a piece, as well, with the attempts by that Muslim group in Great Britain that a few weeks ago issued a paper demanding enormous changes in the British school system to accommodate Muslim demands, in which one of the astonishing claims is that Muslims have been "interacting" with Britain for a thousand years. We know what they are trying to get a naive public to believe, and by dint of repetition, this Tariq-Ramadan idea that the civiliziation of the West -- which civilization always existed in fear of, and in opposition to, the world of Islam -- somehow owes its everything to its polar opposite, the Camp of Islam. But really, this re-writing conducted in East Africa and the interior).

Now about that toponym "California;" The first appearance of that placename is in a Spanish, or perhaps more accurately Catalan epic, Tirant lo Blanch.

And who was the author of "Tirant lo Blanch" and what was that epic all about? Well, why don't you do a little research.

Posted by: Hugh at March 8, 2007 5:12 PM

Okay, here's a little more on Tirant lo Blanch, but I've still made it a little tough by posting the Spanish version:

Tirante el Blanco (Tirant lo Blanch en su título original valenciano) es una novela caballeresca (la expresión es de Martí de Riquer) de finales del siglo XV, escrita en valenciano por Joanot Martorell y que se suponía concluida por Martí Joan de Galba —idea que se descarta hoy, pese a lo que reza el colofón—, publicada en Valencia en 1490.

Es uno de los libros más importantes de la literatura universal y la primera novela caballeresca impresa (anterior a la novela de caballerías Amadís de Gaula) en el ámbito peninsular.

La novela, con componentes autobiográficos del mismo autor, narra los amores y pendencias del caballero protagonista que le da su nombre con un estilo que combina un realismo directo y crudo con los ideales caballerescos de la época. El héroe se inicia participando en competiciones caballerescas en Inglaterra y prosigue sus aventuras en Francia y termina llegando a salvar al Imperio Bizantino, como megaduque del imperio, frente a los turcos otomanos y ser césar, tras lo cual muere por una infección respiratoria justo antes de casarse oficialmente con la heredera del imperio.

Algunas partes del Tirante tienen cierto paralelismo con la vida del almirante Roger de Flor, el líder de los almogávares, y que fue asesinado por los bizantinos. Se considera también la salvación de Constantinopla en este libro como un final alternativo a lo que realmente sucedió con la capital bizantina, tomada por los tropas otomanas del Sultán Fatih Mehmet II «El Conquistador» en 1453.

En contraposición con los libros de caballerías, aquí el amor es sensual en lugar de platónico, y en lugar de las inverosímiles proezas y asombrosas formas de vida de otros caballeros, el autor se recrea, no sin cierto sarcasmo, en los detalles cotidianos, y en aspectos más prosaicos, a menudo con maledicencia.

Es bastante extendida la opinión de que el estilo salpicado de notas humorísticas y socarronas de Tirante el Blanco ejerció fascinación y sugestión en Cervantes, lo cual se deja ver en la elaboración del Quixote. Ambos libros mantienen una actitud crítica frente a las inverosímiles novelas de caballerías tan en boga por aquella época. De ello da fe el siguiente fragmento de El Quixote en el que el cura y el barbero arrojan a la hoguera los libros de Don Alonso:

-¡Válame Dios! -dijo el cura, dando una gran voz-. ¡Que aquí esté Tirante el Blanco ! Dádmele acá, compadre; que hago cuenta que he hallado en él un tesoro de contento y una mina de pasatiempos. Aquí está don Quirieleisón de Montalbán, valeroso caballero, y su hermano Tomás de Montalbán, y el caballero Fonseca, con la batalla que el valiente de Tirante hizo con el alano, y las agudezas de la doncella Placerdemivida, con los amores y embustes de la viuda Reposada, y la señora Emperatriz, enamorada de Hipólito, su escudero. Dígoos verdad, señor compadre, que, por su estilo, es éste el mejor libro del mundo: aquí comen los caballeros, y duermen, y mueren en sus camas, y hacen testamento antes de su muerte, con estas cosas de que todos los demás libros deste género carecen. Con todo eso, os digo que merecía el que le compuso, pues no hizo tantas necedades de industria, que le echaran a galeras por todos los días de su vida. Llevadle a casa y leedle, y veréis que es verdad cuanto dél os he dicho."

Note that Martorell's epic has the hero going off to fight on the side of the Byzantines against the Ottoman Turks:

"llegando a salvar al Imperio Bizantino, como megaduque del imperio, frente a los turcos otomanos."

And Martorell provides for some counterfactual history of Constantinople as well, with the city remaining unconquered by Mehmet Fatih, Mehmet the Conqueror:

"Se considera también la salvación de Constantinopla en este libro como un final alternativo a lo que realmente sucedió con la capital bizantina, tomada por los tropas otomanas del Sultán Fatih Mehmet II «El Conquistador» en 1453."

Posted by: Hugh at March 8, 2007 5:18 PM

A Graduation Held in Church Leads to a Suit

NEWARK, March 7 — A Muslim student sued the Newark public schools on Wednesday, claiming that he was unable to attend his high school graduation last June because it was held in a church. The student, Bilal Shareef, 18, said it was against his beliefs to set foot in any building with symbols involving God.

“The position I was put in was very, very uncomfortable,” said Mr. Shareef, who graduated from West Side High with a 4.0 grade-point average and is a student at Union County College in Cranford. He is seeking damages and an order to bar the use of churches for future graduations

Ed Barocas, the legal director of the American Civil Liberties Union of New Jersey and the student’s lawyer, said that under the state’s Constitution, no person can be “compelled to attend any place of worship contrary to his faith and judgment.”

“I think the New Jersey courts will recognize that the right to go to one’s graduation is essentially part of a student’s right to a public education,” he said. “The culmination of one’s school career is at graduation, and it is one of the most significant moments in a child’s life.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/08/nyregion/08muslim.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

United States of...Arabia?!

Posted by: Daniel at March 8, 2007 5:18 PM

I notice that Tirant lo Blanch is making his second appearance at Jihad Watch.

Here is his first, in a posting from 2005, in some back-and-forth about Borges that began with my being struck about the name "Almutazzim" which summoned up Borges's story "The Approach to Al-Mutasim":

"The most famous story, Robert, tu t'en souviens, is "Pierre Menard, autor del Quijote." It is about someone who, round about 1935, produces word for word, not a copy, but an exact replica, because he, Pierre Menard, had somehow managed to inhale the intellectual atmosphere and emotional air of Spain, circa 1600, by having read the same old romances, from Tirant lo Blanch forward, and in all other ways managed somehow to experience what Cervantes had experienced in order to "become" him for the purposes of writing that exemplary novel "Don Quixote."

This leads one to wonder what the response would be to the result produced by someone who, in the year 2005, were to attempt to produce another celebrated text word-for-word, a text de cuyo nombre no quiero acordarme, performing the same kind of imitative magic as Pierre Menard did with Cervantes, but with a text almost a millennium older than that which Menard, in Borges's fiction, undertook to write, and came up with something that did not vary from the original."

Posted by: Hugh at March 8, 2007 5:21 PM

The Observer reports his claims of victimhood and insult without a single word about his history or true beliefs.

If I were a billionaire, I'd buy a major daily and excise it of all Marxism. I truly believe it'd be a money maker, given the novelty of being the only non-Commie local daily in the country.

There's a paper up here called the Red Star or Star and Sickle (it's actually the Minneapolis Star Tribune) that can be bought for 25 cent dollars. They're the ones who covered for Keith Ellison, this great nation's first Moslem federal legislator.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at March 8, 2007 5:27 PM

The Jooos did ni- oh, wait...

Posted by: Cheeky Human at March 8, 2007 5:43 PM

All of you have to remember that propaganda (and beleiving in conspiracy theories against them) comes natural to Muslims

After all, the totalitarian National Socialism of the Nazi party and the Communists both heavily used propaganda.

All of it needs fighting and exposing

Posted by: UK Infidel Lover at March 8, 2007 5:47 PM

Hugh

South of the I10 freeway between Indio and Palm Springs is a place called Mecca. And would you know it - its in a desert.

So in addition to the moon landing (Neil Armstrong was a Muslim, remember?), they discovered California as well.

Is there any place they didn't discover?

Posted by: Infidel Pride at March 8, 2007 5:58 PM

Blah blah blah blah. More of the same poop....different day.

Posted by: The Goobs at March 8, 2007 6:19 PM

Another "moderate" muslim victim who upon closer inspection turns out to be a conspiracy theorist and anti-semite, what a shock.

Posted by: Harpua at March 8, 2007 6:21 PM

Jibril Hough, 2007: "His [Jeff Katz's] agenda has been one of inciting fear, hatred and ignorance against Muslims," said Hough, who is also spokesman for the Islamic Center of Charlotte. "His type of rhetoric would not be allowed against any other minority community ..."

Jibril Hough, 2003: "But the biased western media would not cover this story, yet they also neglected to report that 4000 Jews employed at the World Trade Center were absent at WTC on 9/11...[b]oth Islam and Christianity are the victims of this devious plot and all Americans must join together to help prevent evil ones from succeeding."

To which 'evil ones' are you referring, Jibril?

And what was that you were saying about inciting hatred and rhetoric against minority communities, Jibril?

Posted by: A Nonny Nonny at March 8, 2007 6:36 PM

I hope Robert can do a follow-up appearance on the Katz show to further explain the background of this jihadi scum-bucket.
I love the mainstream media, they're such idiots! Talk about gullible.

Posted by: jewdog at March 8, 2007 6:39 PM

Katz's page at WBT appears to have been hacked. All the text turns blue in a block when touched by a cursor and none of the links work I tried except for the LGF one and it goes to some nonsense message.

Katz has been emailed.

The internet jihad disinformation dudes are on the march trying to shut people up. Isn't this a terrorist act under current laws?

Posted by: Abraham_Lincoln at March 8, 2007 6:49 PM

Do these "Jews" have names who are responsible for 9 11? They always seem to show up in stories all over the world in "Jews".

.......and yes what could be better than Christians joining Muslims against the conspiracy against both....Christians could then be in the same bed and make it easier for Muslims to murder them.

Proof Islamoprofessor. Anyone like Jeff Rense can make charges, but where is thee proof which holds up under real questioning.

Posted by: Lame Cherry at March 8, 2007 6:51 PM

"after he wrote an editorial for the Charlotte Observer claiming that California was discovered by Muslims long before Columbus."

this sounds allot like palestinian propaganda claiming that in biblical times they were there before the Jews. Even though the Jews were in the Holy land long before anyone ever heard of a man named Jesus or a warlord named mohamed.

I guess thats another one of their strategies - change history to make the case that the land rightfully belongs to you before you try to take over. What is it with muslims trying to change history anyway?

Posted by: kelisw at March 8, 2007 6:56 PM

Hugh, I googled up this on California:

Sabed que a la diestra mano de las Indias existe una isla llamada California muy cerca de un costado del Paraíso Terrenal; y estaba poblada por mujeres negras, sin que existiera allí un hombre, pues vivían a la manera de las amazonas. Eran de bellos y robustos cuerpos, fogoso valor y gran fuerza. Su isla era la más fuerte de todo el mundo, con sus escarpados farallones y sus pétreas costas. Sus armas eran todas de oro y del mismo metal eran los arneses de las bestias salvajes que ellas acostumbraban domar para montarlas, porque en toda la isla no había otro metal que el oro.

Know that on the right hand from the Indies exists an island called California very close to Earthly Paradise; and it was populated by black women, without any man existing there, because they lived in the way of the Amazons. They had beautiful and robust bodies, and were brave and very strong. Their island was the strongest of the World, with its cliffs and rocky shores. Their weapons were golden and so were the harnesses of the wild beasts that they were accustomed to domesticate and ride, because there was no other metal in the island than gold.

— Las Sergas de Esplandián, (novela de caballería)
by García Ordóñez de Montalvo.
Published in Seville in 1510.

Posted by: jewdog at March 8, 2007 7:10 PM

So here we go again, another Muslims shooting themself in the foot by asserting that Muslims don't have the brain or courage to have pulled off such a well orchatrated attack.

Nough said!

NO ISLAM - KNOW PEACE

Posted by: ala-sux at March 8, 2007 7:14 PM

The position I was put in was very, very uncomfortable,” said Mr. Shareef, who graduated from West Side High with a 4.0 grade-point average and is a student at Union County College in Cranford. He is seeking damages and an order to bar the use of churches for future graduations

I'd like to put him a comfortable position and i'd also like to give him some real damage, the kind GOD can't make go away!!!!!!

Posted by: OLD SARGE at March 8, 2007 7:58 PM

Infidel Pride

I though you were kidding, it cant be true, please tell me its not true.

But there it is, at the north end of the Salton Sea, I wonder if originally it was the “Sultan Sea”?

I really hate to break this to Jibril, but Columbus did not discover California, he landed on the east coast, California is on the west coast.

Either Juan Rodriguez Cabrillo or Melchor Diaz, in 1540 or 1542 is credited with the discovery of California, so he shouldn’t get his jihad in a bunch and think this place has any Moslem roots.

Posted by: Bar at March 8, 2007 8:16 PM

Bar

Reason I know that is that in the past, when I lived in S CA, I've driven past it several times. Mecca to the South, 29 Palms to the North. Of course, if Jibril had his way, 29 Palms would probably be renamed Medina.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at March 8, 2007 8:45 PM

Bar

I forgot to add - you can't make this stuff up.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at March 8, 2007 8:46 PM

The Muslims first dicovered California, huh. They sure do have an eye for real estate. Guess they couldn't stand the gorgeous weather and the beautiful coastline.

Posted by: champ at March 8, 2007 9:00 PM

"...one of the astonishing claims is that Muslims have been "interacting" with Britain for a thousand years" - Hugh above

I assumed when I read that section of their recommendations, that they making something of the dinar issued by King Offa of Mercia (reigned 757 - 796) of which wiki says:

"Along with the silver pennies, a few gold coins were produced, copied from a gold dinar of the Abbasid caliph Al-Mansur dated 157AH (773-4 AD). Offa Rex is centred, though the moneyer clearly had no understanding of Arabic as the Arabic text is upside down. It is likely that the coin was produced in order to trade with Islamic Spain; or as part of a yearly donation of alms to the Pope in Rome: making it all the more ironic then, that (according to Winston Churchill[1]) the Arabic words are those of the Shahadah, or Islamic profession of faith."

The best reproduction of the coin is at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mancus

although it is discussed most fully in the article about Offa of Mercia.

The sending of English knights on the First Crusade of 1091 could be called an interaction, I suppose.English scholars, such as Robert of Chester (in the 1140's), Adelard of Bath (1110's and '20's) and Daniel of Morley (1170's) were prominent among the 12th century translators of classical Greek texts in Arabic, and Arab works, into Latin, in Spain and elsewhere.

Posted by: wallyUK at March 8, 2007 10:00 PM

Infidel Pride

I am in S. CA, but never get out that way.

Next will they take credit for building the Salton Sea? Which didn’t exist before the 1905 engineering disaster.

Posted by: Bar at March 8, 2007 10:26 PM

Mr. Shareef, who graduated from West Side High with a 4.0 grade-point average and is a student at Union County College in Cranford. He is seeking damages and an order to bar the use of churches for future graduations

That should have read grade-point average of 0.4.

Posted by: Allahfanculo at March 8, 2007 10:26 PM

He is seeking damages and an order to bar the use of churches for future graduations

So let's have the graduation in a Synagogue next time!

Posted by: Allahfanculo at March 8, 2007 11:49 PM

Or better still, near a hog farm.

Posted by: wrathofasma at March 9, 2007 12:44 AM

Nor did they report on the thousands who saw WTC Building Seven fall without a plane hitting it.

Oy, dude, it was reported....whaddayatalkinabout? The Marriott fell too, and it wasn't hit by a plane either. But the Empire State Building and the Sears Tower didn't fall and they weren't by airplanes....whaddayamakeofthat?

Question to Hough: why did no one die in WTC7? Why did the Bush conspiracy wait for WTC7 to be completely evacuated before bringing it down with explosives? Why not just kill everyone inside like they "did" with WTC1 and WTC2?"

So this is the kind of stuff Hough considers the paragon of Islamic knowledge....thanks for all the wisdom you bring, Almighty Allah. "9/11 Truthers" always say they're just asking questions about an "incomplete investigation". Problem is, they aren't asking more questions that their incomplete allegations already beg.

Posted by: yadayada at March 9, 2007 1:46 AM

Dissemination comes naturally to Muslims. I know of a sports facility where the PA announcer is an Ali and he plays music prior to the events. When contacted about this and directed to the 'Islam and Music' website, he replied that the music was not for himself but for the customers! I did not bother with a follow up; would only be a waste of time.

ISLAM IS THE THIEF OF PEACE ... TAKE CARE OUT THERE.

Posted by: meekee at March 9, 2007 3:52 AM

"Hough is trying to shut down the free speech of radio hosts"

...so too, are the dhimmicrats....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at March 9, 2007 6:25 AM

I guess the Jews are all powerful people, they are responsible for so much.. lets truly what muslims are resposible for? mmm
ok great bomb belts.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at March 9, 2007 6:56 AM

Hugh:

There are those who believed Columbus himself numbered among those Italians compelled to convert from Judaism.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at March 9, 2007 8:30 AM

I will bet he lives next door to a crack house...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at March 9, 2007 9:13 AM

"Nor did they report on the thousands who saw WTC Building Seven fall without a plane hitting it."

Make that millions, if not tens of millions. I saw the Building Seven collapse live on television on 9/11.

Posted by: PMK at March 9, 2007 9:39 AM

Is it possible we are selling the Muslims short when we refuse to give them credit for the discovery of America?

Why were the Spanish and the Portugese trying to find a sea route to India in the first place? Wasn't it because they couldn't travel safely through dar-al-Islam, the same route that Marco Polo used more than a century earlier?

Let's thank the Muslims for forcing us to move beyond the Eurasian land mass and set forth on the high seas. They really did give us, albeit unintentionally, everything we have today.

Posted by: PMK at March 9, 2007 9:49 AM

"They really did give us, albeit unintentionally, everything we have today."

..perhaps, but...There is a lot going on today that they have given to intentionally.....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at March 9, 2007 10:04 AM

This is the usual Muslim cognitive dissonance writ large. "The Jews caused 9-11 and Osama is our hero for teaching America a lesson it will never forget!" Aren't peoples' heads supposed to explode when they say crap like that? If not, we should make arrangements for it.

Attempting to blame 9-11 on the Jews is a perfect definition of hate speech. Squelch this cockroach but quick. He is nothing but a terrorist jihadi.

Posted by: Zenster at March 9, 2007 11:14 AM

We Might as well let the cat out of the bag:

Muslims were responsible to the tsnamis.
Muslims were responsible for the holocaust.
Muslims were responsible for Americas nuclear blast on Nagasaki.
Muslims were responsible for WWI and WWII..
Muslims killed the Archduke Ferdinand that Started WWI...
Muslims supported Rommel in the desert in WWII..
MUslims financed Bevis and BUtthead cartoons...
Muslims are responsible for global warming.
Muslims are responsible for the historic freezing temperatures we see today..
MUslims are responsible for Australias large jellyfish problem...
Muslims are responsible for Rosie O'Donnell..
Muslims are responsible for the shortage of icecream vendors in Muslim countries.
Muslims are responsible for the shortage of barbers in Muslim Countries.
Muslims are responsible for Muslim poverty.
Muslims are responsible for the high murder rate in Muslim countries.
Muslims are responsible for 90% of worldwide conflict today...

....If Muslims want to assign responsibility, then let's do so, properly...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at March 9, 2007 12:29 PM

"Jews" responsible for 9/11

This is exactly what I was told by a muslim doctor in South Africa. He seemed surprised that I did not know this.

When I told him in no uncertain terms who really did it, he got upset and terminated the discussion.

I have been giving his receptionist "informative" articles to pass on to him to wise him up about "The Religion of Peace"

If he had any brains he would have apostatized by now.

Wishful thinking.

Posted by: Dsinc at March 9, 2007 1:27 PM

Dsinc: talking to or listening to Muslims is a total waste of time.

Forget it.

And,by the way, if you value your own life, don't ever let a Muslim doctor treat you medically again (for your own safety--they've been known to intentionally prescribe excessive doses of medicines, wrong medicines to kill "infidel" 'patients-' this is NOT a joke!).

Posted by: pythagoras at March 9, 2007 6:01 PM

Well, a country hick like me didn't see it either, I'd a guess all of us hillbillies could be suspects too ? No, we know who the perpetrators were, and we also know where they came from; that's all we ever need to know. The sad part is, they're never gonna forget who we are either !

Posted by: Jeff at March 9, 2007 9:15 PM