"Imams suing US Airways"

Im absolutely flabbergasted, I mean, who on Earth could have seen this coming??

Never let it be said that CAIR isn't thorough, possessing the "will" to follow through with their outright assaults of the West through the Islamic victimization template, facilitated through PC multiculturalism.

Only the outcome matters, that is of course, if US Airways has the "will" to fight the good fight, and not capitulate to thugery.

US Airways loses either way at this point. They will either settle and be boycotted or fight and be labeled as "racists" by the PC multiculturalist affilcted MSM.

Posted by: awake at March 12, 2007 9:40 PM

"US Airways loses either way at this point. They will either settle and be boycotted or fight and be labeled as 'racists'"

I disagree. They should prepare their counter-suit (or pre-emptively sue) for lost revenues, defamation, etc., and press charges for disorderly conduct. Let the Mohametans boycott, US Air would get a lot of sympathetic business for being the safest airline.

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at March 12, 2007 9:52 PM

Good, someone will finally get them into court. What were the people afraid of, why did suspicious behavior provoke alarm? Those and other questions like them will be asked. Religious bigotry, does that open the door to cross examining the koran? Someone has them believing that they have the upper hand, they don’t. And why come out and announce the intention to provide details instead of just filing the suit? Maybe because they have no intention of going through with it, maybe they are anticipating a US Air cave in that way they never have to file. An islamist boycott of US Air, they probably couldn’t accommodate all the customers that would swarm the airline wanting seats. In my opinion this is a ruse, they are hoping, yes even praying for a US Air cave in. Stand up to the bullies US Air it’s a win win situation!

Posted by: tgusa at March 12, 2007 9:59 PM

Watching the Hourglass
and Thinking of the imams

I seek a soothing refuge:
having seen the face of the devil,
having seen the horns of bahomet
rip the fabric of civilization into fragments,
having seen his fingers in the mudra of duality
walking widershins round his rock,
his slaves chained to him by a dark finality.

The picture is bleak, meanacing,
danger smells, a pungent fear
brings coldness to my soul
and, a prayer as my courage wanes,
give me hope, give me strength.

The whispering voice replied
Truth, Justice, Freedom
will never fall and forever prevail
when good conquers evil
on life’s perilous trail,
say the myths of our ancestors.
The sands in the hourglass
flow faster and faster,
who is the master?
Who is brave,
and will not submit
to be a slave?
We are the Free.

Posted by: the poetess at March 12, 2007 10:16 PM

There's a way that US Airways can win: that is file a countersuit for (1) malicious litigation and (2) frivolous litigation and (3) subpoena Ellison (who met with these guys two days before) and (4) call to the stand all of these guys (I'll bet they refuse to testify) and ask them if there was any plan ahead of time.

The countersuit to compel the testimony of all these guys' friends and the witnesses on the plane. They should call everybody on the plane and put them on the stand and ASK THEM if they are glad they were taken off.

I think it's a shakedown, and these shakedowns won't stop -- nor those from the ACLU -- until people start filing countersuits and make them CLASS ACTION SUITS.

This stuff is only going to stop when we do to them what we did to the KKK: bankrupt them with lawsuits. They play it against us; let's play it against them.

Meanwhile, every news outlet in the country should be interviewing the TSA staff who spotted them on the way in, the people on the plane, the guy who turned them in.

I can see this becoming a very important case for OUR side, and I don't think it's lost.

Posted by: Morgaan Sinclair at March 12, 2007 10:17 PM

Money from the Saudis and other rich Arabs can be used to pay for very expensive lawyers, and lawsuits that may be without merit, but that can tie up the government (see those terrorism cases), or institutions (school boards, zoning boards, and so on) or individuals (anyone who dares to speak his mind, if what his mind wishes to speak is not to the liking of CAIR). Unless American lawyers are willing -- as they should be -- to offer their services pro bono to all who cannot pay, or unless other, very deep-pocketed individuals and institutions, are willing to pay for lawyers to protect all of us from the systematic attempt to undo our own efforts at self-protection, our society will not be able to protect itself, by taking perfectly reasonable precautionary measures, either from the most obvious form of assault -- terrorism --or from other kinds of assault on the lega and political institutions of this country, on its organs of information (the press, radio, television), and on the uninhibited ability of individual citizens to speak their mind, to express their opinion, without fear of a lawsuit from the Enforcers of CAIR.
Perhaps this airline will be able to defend itself. But it should be supported, morally and financially, by all the other airlines and, indeed, by every Infidel who regards the Jihad as a menace to the present and future wellbeing of this country and to the civilizational legacy that its present inhabitants inherited, but not in fee simple -- only in trust, for their lives, and then to be handed down to others, for their lives, and so on. There is a duty to preserve this legacy against barbarians, sinister and very well-financed, who have been foolishly allowed into our credulous and innocent midst.

Posted by: Hugh at March 12, 2007 10:32 PM

Morgaan Sinclair-

You are smart. I think they should counter sue. I would not be surprised if there are videos of their behavior on the plane, and audio as well. I think this shake-down could back-fire. Meanwhile, I think the public is looking at them and this with a cold eye.

Posted by: Frank at March 12, 2007 10:33 PM

We are the Free.

Posted by: butterfly at March 12, 2007 10:36 PM

They were taken off that flight and questioned for very good reasons ACCORDING TO THEIR OWN BEHAVIOR. They were playing a game here of acting like terrorists & if they win this it will only work towards opening the door for when someone actually tries to take over a plane. This makes me question their motives for doing this all the more!!!

Seeing that I live very close to the Mpls./St. Paul Intl. Airport, and I was just at a friend's place where one of the runways aligns over his house...this situation is something that concerns me personally..and pisses me off!!!

Posted by: SoteriA at March 12, 2007 10:37 PM

Can we start a campaign of carefully written letters of support to the CEO of US Airways? Maybe even start a fund-raising campaign to offer some money, only if they don't settle?

Posted by: Obelisk1 at March 12, 2007 10:48 PM

"I can see this becoming a very important case for OUR side, and I don't think it's lost."
Posted by: Morgaan Sinclair at March 12, 2007 10:17 PM

Morgaan,

The case is paramount "for OUR side", but that fact alone will not produce any sort of jurisprudent victory.

Counter-suits usually only happen when the wrongfully aggrieved is taken to task. The "will" of US Airways to endure the castigation of the MSM coverage, which will surely follow, in the court of the so-called "public opinion", is the determining factor on how this case will play out. Do they have the "will" to fight? We know the ISlamists certainly do.

It's all about money. The boycott, as I originally professed, will not come from Muslims, God no, their current demographical numbers are inconsequential as far as air travel marketing goes, but rather it will originate from the masses who, contrary to what they say in public, will boycott the airline in favor of another, that is supposedly concerned with their safety.

I truly hope that I am completely wrong, however, and will graciously and giddily own up, if I am proven so.

I just can't seem to shake from my head, the seond verse of "Five to One";

"The old get old and the young get stronger
May take a week and it may take longer
They got the guns but, we got the numbers
gonna' win yeah we're, taking over!"

Given the current global media atmospherics and the demographic realities of the US and abroad, one tends not to get their hopes too high.

Posted by: awake at March 12, 2007 10:56 PM

This is just another chapter in the war against the west. We cannot let actions like this stand. The MEN of this country should not allow behavior like this from anyone. It is time for us to stand up if we see situations like this and tell the perpetrators to stop in no uncertain terms.

Actions like those of the immams have to be stopped. Asking for civil behavior and then getting it is the only way.

Buy firearms, become qualified for concealed carry and learn self defense.

Posted by: Robohobo at March 12, 2007 10:59 PM

So when do we start paying reparations to Atta's next of kin?

Posted by: witness at March 12, 2007 10:59 PM

Morgaan Sinclair and Hugh are both right on the money. This case can and should be a strong warning....not to us infidels, but to cair and their saudi puppeteers. The 'flying imams' was clearly an orchestrated stunt. That fact should be proven to a jury, and countersuit in the hundreds of millions of dollars should be brought. The airlines (all of them!) should hire the best legal minds in the business. I suggset they start with David Boies. If I were a US Air shareholder, I would demand either a strong defense+countersuit or the CEO's head on a platter.

Posted by: Infidel33 at March 12, 2007 11:01 PM

I hope they don't become multi-millionaires off the back of US Airways like Arar in Canada. If the passengers on that plane co-operate by writing affidavits, countersuits against the imams and CAIR, hopefully the plaintiffs will lose. Not to mention casts of legal fees ect. As far as I am concerned, US Airways did the right thing. Companies that use safety measures should be immune to lawsuits. There should be legislation passed to give airlines immunity. Just as Congressmen and Senators are immune to libel and slander suits in the House of Congress or the Senate.

Posted by: The Resistance at March 12, 2007 11:03 PM

awake,

I agree with you completely. To me it's a no-brainer. The Imans got what they deserved, and probably a lot less than they deserved.

Don't forget though, the trial will no doubt be in Minneapolis with its large Muslim population.

The lawyers for the Imans will no doubt try to pack the jury with as many Muslims as possible. If they succeed, you can be sure the Imans will be exonerated and the airline will be paying through the nose.

If anyone expects A Muslim juror to be fair and objective, weighing the evidence for the truth, they expect the impossible.

I suspect the Imans will win this one, and succeed in their objective in intimating all airlines into silence and inaction in the face of activities deemed threatening to passengers.

This could turn out to be a real money-maker for Muslims in America.

Posted by: rational at March 12, 2007 11:06 PM

When the authorities took these frauds off the planes in hand-cuffs, they did not do it on hearsay and they did not have the time to interview passengers. I think there is hard evidence in this matter. I'll bet there is audio and video that shows the flying phonies were deliberately acting in a hostile and frightening manner. If my hunch is right, US Air has nothing to be worried about.

Posted by: Frank at March 12, 2007 11:11 PM

Rational,

Like I said, I hope I am completely wrong on this one. I agree with Morgaan, Hugh, and hell, everyone else who contributed to this post. What SHOULD be done as opposed to what actually will.

I just can't help the feeling that I have seen this "movie" before, and know that it ends badly.

Posted by: awake at March 12, 2007 11:12 PM

We're talking about a business folks...where the bottom line is supreme.

US Airways will settle. Each of the six will probably get around 100 grand.

The worst part of it will be the message conveyed to other businesses and entities. Very sad indeed.

Posted by: Cornelius at March 12, 2007 11:14 PM

How about a legal brief to suggest that Islam is not primarily a religion and so does not deserve the special protections of civil rights laws?

I know, we're still a long way from the clarity of that kind of approach.

Posted by: StillBreathing at March 12, 2007 11:16 PM

This is the standard tactic I see CAIR using in Canada.

First they make false statements to the media about an event to create a Perception of anti-Muslim bias , once the articles get repeated enough times they then post those falsehoods on their Website as Media-Watch or Action-Alerts
for other Muslims.
Next we see the Muslim Columnists use their power to Print a new version that is editted
to extract the best propaganda paragraphs so MSM readers assume the article is true and get the skewed version , then comes the Media Conference with lawyers and CAIR rep.'s that "Allege" Civil Torts against Muslims by using the newer Falsehoods to re-enforce what people read in the Press.
Usually the next step is to Demand a Inquiry or Investigation for "The Truth" behind what happened , this set the stage for allowing some time to lapse to again "Allege" the Company or Government refuses to expose this "Conspiracy" to hide "The Truth" behind why they won't meet their Demands to get "The Truth".
And finally , launch a Law Suit as part of the financial terrorism to force an Inquiry or make the vicitms of these threats settle Out-of-Court
as the cheapest way to resolve it and Ergo....this implies Guilt and infers it to all the people scanning the news articles that it must have been valid Islamophobia or Racial-Profiling because "Why would them pay the settlement?".

This is how CAIR managed to get Maher Arar $10'500'000.00 dollars from taxpayers in canada for what he "Alleged" his Native Syria did to him
which was based on being a Draft-Dodger convicted by the State and to stand trial in a Military Court.

But CAIR milked the MSM and lied right from the start , Arar's team of Lawyers launched a $400'000'000.00 dollars Law Suit as a threat to canada and force an Inquiry, during the Inquiry Dr.Sheema Khan from CAIR then used the media articles to back her claims and used a bogus "Islamophobia" Survey to portray Arar as the victim of the Brutal Oppressor RCMP's in Canada that sent Arar to Syria .
I found so many holes in Arar's story and he never took a witness stand in a Courtroom to give evidence and risk pergery charges for changing his assertion in a Public Statement to the Media.
His Lawyers coached him to claim he couldn't work and suffered stress so he could get Welfare as "Unemployable" and access to Free Legal-Aid
which started the ball rolling for the law Suit.
But, we later saw his Lawyers fear an Appeal by the Crown and force a costly Trial , so they then feed the media information that a Settlement of $40'000'000.00 dollars might be acceptible .

They agreed on the $12'000'000.00 minus $1'500'000.00 as their cut in legal fees , and this my friends make me believe that the case was so weak that Arar's Demands for $400 million shrunk to $10.5 million just to finalize the deal and head out of town.
CAIR has now admitted to terrorism ties and supporting the Arar's since 2003 , this came out just After Arar got his Cash-4-Life winnings from the Islamophobia-Lottery where you Sue people and take the chance of a Settlement to save money and keep it out of the press.

Arar denied ant link to Hams or terror groups , but CAIR didn't deny any ties to the Arar's so
the USA should force him to bring the Case to trial and expose all the CAIR info and Arar's connection to Middle East Islamists during his trips there once he got a Canadian passport.

Posted by: ala-sux at March 12, 2007 11:21 PM

I rarely disagree with Robert, but the Imams won't win their lawsuit.

I'm a trial lawyer in Minneapolis. If even half of the provocative behavior they displayed and was then reported is true, there will be ample eyewitnesses to document it. There will be little patience for false victimhood among federal jurors from our community.

Think of the CAIR defamation suit. Muslims seeking to manipulate public opinion in court have been and will continue to be unsuccessful because judges require allegations to be supported by evidence. I expect that this lawsuit will not survive an early legal ruling by the judge that there is no basis in fact for the claim of discrimination. We have outstanding trial judges in federal court here in Minnesota.

The only potential weak link is the defendant airline. If an executive decision is made to settle the case to avoid the possibility of negative publicity, the Imams will fly it in all of our faces, and use it as a rallying point, see-I-told-you-so, things have got to change, airline security mea culpa.

Posted by: bobnoxious at March 12, 2007 11:35 PM

Two (or many if it's done class-action style), can play at that game. There's certainly enough documented,credible evidence here to lauch a counter-suit against the imams even eventurally CAIR. Somebody just has to draw that line in the sand,weather the storm and go for it. Get it all further out into the open. Question is, who's that somebody going to be?

Posted by: We need G.C. Scott at March 12, 2007 11:42 PM

Bobnoxious [cute handle!]

I think this can backfire. CAIR sued Andy Whitehead (www.anti-cair-net.com ... my fave ex-Marine) and they got EVISCERATED in court. Their case was dismissed "with prejudice." Then they tried to claim an out-of-court settlement as a victory, went on the air and said Andy had lost the case, etc. Of course, they'll lie outright and just feel fine about it.

Also, maybe you can advise us about counter-suits. A former boss of mine was accused of misappropriated a company's funds. He countersued for malicious litigation the day his partners filed their suit, and he won.

I think we ought to make them pay for these utterly tawdry false accusations they bring after setting us up. Oh, man, it just makes me so angry!!

Anyhow, I think we ought to run up their legal bills to beat the band. Of course they have money. Alwaleed gave them half a mil, Qatar gave them 5 million. Why aren't these people registered as agents of a foreign power? They should be.

And I can't figure out why the Christians don't file a class action suit against the ACLU for civil rights violations, since they are obviously depriving them if they file a suit against Christians for a Christmas display but never file one against the Jews for menorrah displays for Hanukkah. Can you image what a class action suit against the ACLU -- or a series of them -- would cost them? Also the Christians should file a lawsuit to remove Judge Stephen Reinhardt from the 9th circuit court of appeals since he is married to the head of the Southern California ACLU, who files and files and files in courts where she can appeal to the 9th circuit.

People need to get serious about fighting back -- as a class of people. Sure, some 17-year-old and her school district can't afford to shoulder a lawsuit brought by the ACLU because the kid put "Silent Night" on the program for a CHRISTMAS concert, but you just have to have some guts and fight sometimes.

Anyhow ... enlighten us if you can on this subject, as I am quite obviously not a lawyer!

Thanks!

Posted by: Morgaan Sinclair at March 12, 2007 11:50 PM

"The only potential weak link is the defendant airline. If an executive decision is made to settle the case to avoid the possibility of negative publicity, the Imams will fly it in all of our faces, and use it as a rallying point, see-I-told-you-so, things have got to change, airline security mea culpa."
Posted by: bobnoxious at March 12, 2007 11:35PM

bobnoxious,

I don't think anyone is questioning the capability of the federal trial judges in Minneapolis. As you stated, the linchpin will be US Airways, and their "will" to fight for what is right as opposed to the "easy out" of acquiescence to the public media pressure, which is sure to accompany this suit.

I hope you are correct. This case will surely define a great many things in US jurisprudence and our society as a whole.

Regards,

awake

Posted by: awake at March 12, 2007 11:58 PM

It's guerilla theater. But it may be psychological warfare. Let the play begin. Why do we assume because the flying imams are religious Moslems behaving like they are going to blow up the plane, that these particular imams are going to blow up the plane? Are we infidels fundamentally prejudiced not to consider that these particular imams may not real terrorists after all? Theater of the absurd. A surprise ending for sure when the Moslem does not do blow up the plane! A modern day story with morale. The Moslem did not do it. It’s like sleight of hand. Thousands of extremist Moslem incidents worldwide and when the Moslem in front of you pretends he is about to do evil, when you think he is going to behave consistently with thousands of other evildoers, he does nothing. The joke is on the infidel. What a great laugh this is for the imams on the plane. You infidels thought we imams would blow up the plane but we were only kidding? Ha! Ha! Ha! The imams snicker don't rush to judge us, for you will never know which is the extremist Moslem! This may be a theatrical stunt, but it also may be psychological warfare.

Posted by: David England at March 13, 2007 12:00 AM

And these are Islam's "religious leaders"?

I hope that the airline's defense team call all of the passengers on that flight to testify.

They were removed from the plane because they were creating disruption and not doing what they were supposed to do, i.e. sitting in their assigned seats and acting like they had some sense.

I'd truly enjoy being a juror on this one.

Posted by: DCWatson at March 13, 2007 12:21 AM

Where can I write to voice my dissent about people being able to even lodge frivolous law suits.
I hope they are paying really big money for a lawyer.
M

Posted by: marilyn at March 13, 2007 12:22 AM

The airline should hire Reed Rubinstein to represent them. I certainly do hope that the imam in this dirty half dozen who has the terrorist connections, what's his face, Omar Shahin, is grilled throughout the discovery process about who he knows and loves.

Posted by: DCWatson at March 13, 2007 12:27 AM

From Awake's post:

"I just can't help the feeling that I have seen this "movie" before, and know that it ends badly."

If this does end badly, it is a harbinger for America.

What is to stop them?

They have the Senate in their pocket:SB 4 - "Miscellaneous Provisions" Section 1302, a "Sense of the Senate Regarding Combating Domestic Radicalization."

They have the Islamo-Norquist network entwined in Home Security, Treasury, State, Justice and Defense and probably the rest, including the White House.

And they have the courts - they play the justice system like a fiddle, with ACLU doing second fiddle. And now they want to mount an effort to legalize Sharia law here for family law, based on the legal status of American Indian Courts. Where pray tell will that effort end? Stoning?

We need to stop them now. Above, several posters suggested the rest of the Airlines should support US Airways. They should, we all should. This case could parallel the Concord Bridge battle, April 19, 1775 in rank of importance in our country's history.

http://www.fightthebias.com/Resources/gundebate/shot_heard_around_the_world.htm

This battle will not be with guns but in the courts, where we hope that civilization will prevail over CAIR and ACLU playing the justice system.

We need to parallel this effort with a drumbeat to Congress to halt Muslim immigration and citizenship, to prevent Muslim students from entry, and to prevent Saudi and Gulf State and Iranian financing of subversive organizations like CAIR, MSA, HAMAS, HEZBOLLAH, etc. These organizations should be closed down, assets seized and their leaders deported or jailed - the entire host of them as listed in Jihad Incorporated (Emerson, 07). We should demand these actions from not only from Congress by from the whole raft of presidential candidates.

We cannot give up on this. We have got to remember we are Infidels to them, and that they are here to either cut our throats or make us submit to Islam. It is their duty to Allah, and if called upon they will slaughter us and our children. Though small in number, it is important to remember that relatively small ruthless gangs easily took over in Russia, Italy and Germany in the last century. (Civilization and its Enemies, Lee Harris). The Muslims are here already in greater strength than the Nazis were in Germany in the late 1920s. We have seen the Muslim gang mentality already in Britain and France; the six Imans were just another such gang but without guns…this time.

Stop them now. This is a good place to do battle - a new Concord Bridge?

But petition for a change of venue to New York City. Minneapolis would be about like holding sharia court in Mecca.

Posted by: Jimmy Bones at March 13, 2007 12:30 AM

Let's be crystal clear about one thing. Islam is not a race, nor is it a nationality.

Christians SHOULD start suing for their rights, rights which are being stripped away in a discriminatroy fashion, while Muslim rights are being enhanced.

Here's a new piece of news just brought to my attention . . . Seems Muslims are buying up all the preschools in my 'top five' metropolis. Could spell trouble for the next generation. Check your city.

Posted by: Commentor at March 13, 2007 12:34 AM

This is part of their plan to scare Americans, & and airlines into saying nothing out of the fear of being sued, or being called "racist." Eventually, if this kind of suit is settled, the airlines will think twice about the cost of security. What if they aren't terrorists? We will be sued for alot of money. Better let them board. At the very least, it will weaken security measures because of fear of recrimination. It is an absolute must to fight this with the heaviest stick.

Now, if I was on the plane, I'd like to think I'd lay my fist into one of these morons. At least confront them with the upmost intentions. I know it's another reaction they want, but I'm willing to give it to them. Arrest me. To me it's self defense. I felt my life, and my family's life was threatened, thus took action. Might not hold up, but it certainly would get attention.

Posted by: Gotham at March 13, 2007 12:35 AM

I agree with the poster who said that we need to start our own campaign to urge U.S. Air to stand firm against this frivolous but malicious and dangerous lawsuit if it is filed.

We also need to let U.S. Air know that a much greater and more damaging boycott can be organized by outraged Americans against Islamist intimidation then what they potentially face from cair and their stooge allies in the media and aclu.

Posted by: alexon at March 13, 2007 1:35 AM

i'm with obelisk1 on this one. we should start a letter writing campaign, or at least some sort of petition to send to the head of US Airways, showing our support and encouraging them to stand up against this.

Posted by: SueNC at March 13, 2007 1:38 AM

A Muslim should not be allowed to pray in an airport because it freaks everyone out -- it should be outlawed; and as far as I'm concerned, any Muslim who is inconsiderate enough to pray before boarding a plane should be given a one way ticket BACK to the mothership. Go Home and pray at will!

If CAIR is going to sue anyone it should be the terrorist groups that attacked our country and who started the need for tighter security in the first place, and CAIR should be thanking the airline for exercising caution, not suing them, as they were only doing their job.

Suing the airline -- how absurd!! Tell your imams to grow and brain and to stop praying inside airports. How stupid!! And passing a note was stupid too.

These "imams" deserved to be arrested, and I seriously doubt that they will win this ridiculous law suite.

More time, money and effort wasted on the wrong ENEMY!!

Posted by: champ at March 13, 2007 1:46 AM

These imams are also available for a counter suit in distress they caused the flight crew, passengers and the airline.

File the suit in out state Minnesota where you have those slug hunting, northern spearing and hate the Twin Cities and someone could find out just how deep the pockets are of Islam.
Gee all those mosques going up.....if Catholics can get the bajesus sued out of them, then so can Islam.

Bankrupt the sons of bastardized religion and see how long they like playing the game.

Posted by: Lame Cherry at March 13, 2007 1:48 AM

Boy -- if I ever see a Muslim praying in an airport he will be one sorry dude.....grrrrr!!!

Posted by: champ at March 13, 2007 1:53 AM

All airlines need to support USAirways,as they are at risk by these immans. people will not fly as often when they know that muslims can display these types of behaviours and get away with it. Everyone needs to contact USAirways to urge to go to court and counter sue these islamist.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at March 13, 2007 1:53 AM

This is so unfair and the ARAR case in Canada is prime example of the dangerous precedent the political correctness is causing us.
Seeing Arar being given millions in Canada ,I see more muslims trying to cash in on this by using our own loopholes in law.

When Arar was given the millions I was amused and angered both.Is Canada stupid or what?????
1) Syria (his place of birth) was the country which tortured him. Did he sue Syria????.Would the syrians have given him a penny leave alone miliions????. Would syria have apologized to him when he was proven not guilty(Which is doubtful)

2)What about the morale of the people /cops fighting terrorism.If I was a cop,I would think twice about risking my job by arresting a muslim by this incident,who is eventually going to be freed and paid millions.I mean if he is not terrorist ,being set free in itself is a reward .

Secondly guilty or not guilty,once a muslim is arrested the CAIR,other muslim organizations support him,money from saudi is made available for his lawyers .all of these organizations stand by to support him whereas the cop is suspended and jobless and usually has no support from anyone.

Does this not ring a bell in our mind???? Moderate muslims are nothing but jihadis of a different level exploiting the loopholes of democracy to achieve the dream of Islamic world.

Posted by: Rajesh_singh at March 13, 2007 2:18 AM

I thought I was suspicious but over at,
http://www.californiaconservative.org/terrorism/imams-suing-us-airways/#more-4560
the question is, could conyers have been involved?
“I hope that they ask about:
any communications they had with CAIR prior to this;
any communications they had with John Conyers;
any communications they had with Keith Ellison;
and any communications they had with Mahdi Bray.
After that, I hope that they depose Nihad Awad, Arsalan Iftikhar, CAIR’s Legal Director, John Conyers, Keith Ellison, Ahmed Bedier, Parvez Ahmed and Ibrahim Hooper.”

Woah, everywhere you look the islamists are under the microscope.

Posted by: tgusa at March 13, 2007 2:37 AM

Subpoena any transcripts or recordings of the Islamic conference that the flying Imams participated in. Especially the session on how to use the media to get your message out.

Posted by: Xero G at March 13, 2007 2:39 AM

They had prayed on their prayer rugs in the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport before the flight, and after they boarded, a passenger passed a note to a flight attendant. [...] A passenger claimed overhearing anti-U.S. statements and the men got up and moved around the airplane, the airline said.

Well, I'd have to score this article as a victory for the flying imams. They "moved around the plane"? I'm sure people would read this and think, "Hey, I've moved around the plane during a flight, what's wrong with that?". "They had prayed on their prayer rugs? That sounds peaceful". This article doesn't touch on the behavior that actually initiated the incident, and only describes inocuous behavior to make it sound like an overreaction by the authorities.

But if it goes to trial, I predict CAIR will lose, as they have lost their other lawsuits that went to trial. As others have noted, "if it goes to trial" is the problem. US Airways is not in the business of fighting the jihad, and they might find it cheaper to pay off the imams than to pay off the lawyers to fight it. I can only hope their loyalty to the nation is greater than their loyalty to their stockholders.

Posted by: special_guest at March 13, 2007 2:56 AM

These Imams better be careful. They might just get a ruling that declares that aspects of the Qu’ran and Hadith do not qualify for Constitutional protections.

Posted by: pez at March 13, 2007 3:28 AM

How many times did it take the lawyers guild to get the tobacco companies? All of those law suits are looking for the one that brings home the bacon.

Posted by: Mike H. at March 13, 2007 3:37 AM

I am sure it will be the best justice money can buy.

/sarc

Posted by: pr126 at March 13, 2007 4:54 AM

This could be cheap advertising for US Air if they hold their nerve, and they could come out of this very well - with a reputation that will result in significant increases in market share. Look at what happened to Denmark - the muslims boycott, but the western world girlcott and the result was a net increase in exports.

Posted by: Brett_McS at March 13, 2007 5:12 AM

...this was a set-up from the beginning...the muslims were testing....US Air acted appropriately....it is the duty of the airline to provide a secure mode of travel as much as possible...and in todays world of wackos running around, all peculiar behaviour must be scrutinized and resolved..immediately, there is no time for second guessing....The passengers are expected to cooperated and be in good behaviour...people have been taken off of planes for being drunk, rowdy, incoherent, violent, abusive, and for smoking...THe Inmans behaviour was out of line....and their behaviour was intended to provoke a reaction...

They considered it a win-win proposition, if the airline does nothing they then consider it a victory for Islam as they have dominated the airplane and its crew....if the crew takes action , then they sue...again showing to the world you cannot tell Muslims what to do...

another reason why you do not want Muslims in your neighborhood....Ban Muslim Immigration NOW..

Posted by: exsgtbrown at March 13, 2007 5:56 AM

The Muslim Inmans refer to Jews as pigs...but did you see the pictures of the Inmans...Muslim porkers one and all....arrogant, nasty people...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at March 13, 2007 6:09 AM

The lunatics are running the asylum.

A rabid, extreme left lunatic reporter got onto me and threatens to blow my cover. 'Queensland Muslims are peaceful'- nothing ever happened here' he say's, and is desperate to make it happen for his 2 minutes of fame.

A dipstick of mud. What to do? I tried to get a court injunction, but to no avail. So after 17 years, we might have to sell up the family home and take off. A name-change might become necessary...

All because of useful idiots, traitors to their culture, traitors to their nations, quislings and flakes. Peecee and cretins are killing us.

But nobody can make excuses not to know, or that it didn't happen before, they want to see the blood in the streets. This is today's news:

http://sheikyermami.com/2007/03/13/muslims-threaten-to-kill-fred-nile/

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at March 13, 2007 6:16 AM

"'Queensland Muslims are peaceful'- nothing ever happened here'"

...........it seems this moronic reporter had not been reading current events:

"What about the developing Civil Unrest in the Australian Nation?

What about Muslim Youth Multiple Gang Rape Attacks on Aussie Teenage Girls in Sydney?

What about Muslim Youth Gang Violence in the Streets of Sydney and the Trashing of 100 Cars in one Attack?

What about the arrests of 18 Islamic Militants in Sydney and Melbourne for planned Islamic Terrorist Attacks on Australian Landmark Targets?

What about the conviction and jailing of an Australian Muslim Convert for Planned Islamic Terrorist Attacks in Australia?

,,,everywhere Muslims appear, incidents of violence appear...one way to ease the violence by Muslims is to not let them onto your property..

Ban Muslim Immigration ....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at March 13, 2007 6:53 AM

CAIR needs to know each time they do something like this; the American people are against them and will fight back. We need someone with a big name to rally up support for US Airways. I am writing and asking others I know but since I am in the UK, it is hard for me to have good contacts. Any suggestions?

Posted by: herself at March 13, 2007 6:55 AM

back to the topic...

...I agree with others....US Air should begin to sue the Inmans right NOW....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at March 13, 2007 6:59 AM

I would think the case revolves arround US Airways refusal to sell them tickets the day after the Imans removal from their origional flight.

Can US Airways justify, in Court, their refusal to sell the Imans new Flight arrangements.

Posted by: flowerknife_us at March 13, 2007 7:05 AM

Heightened security means Muslims can have a little fun at our expense, by deliberately behaving suspiciously. Then, when they get the hostile attention they were seeking, they can complain of Islamophobia/discrimination/racism/victimisation in the hope of receiving compensation.

This happened in Spain in August 2006:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=402441&in_page_id=1770&in_a_source

Passengers claimed Ashraf and Zeb aroused suspicion by wearing heavy jackets and jumpers despite the heat, continuously checking their watches and talking loudly in Urdu, which was mistaken for Arabic.

...

But details have now emerged of their travel itinerary, which could be viewed as odd.

The pair booked their flights after the arrests over the alleged plot to bomb transatlantic jets, paying £166 each for an outward journey landing at 7.25pm in Malaga and returning to Manchester at 3am the next morning - giving them less than eight hours in Spain.

They said they wanted to 'check out' the resort before taking a holiday there next month.

Yeah, right.

Posted by: watling at March 13, 2007 7:29 AM

Given CAIR's "unsuccess" at suing private citizens like Anti-CAIR's Andrew Whitehead and attempting to intimidate other private citizens like Daniel Pipes, I think they may regret taking on an airline, Saudi money notwithstanding.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at March 13, 2007 8:11 AM

"US Airways is not in the business of fighting the jihad, and they might find it cheaper to pay off the imams than to pay off the lawyers to fight it".-special g

You nailed the problem. Only government has the resources to deal with criminals in matters of fraud, etc. US Air needs public support. They are not in the business of investigating crime and bringing criminals (in this case fraud) to justice. (I have a hunch they have hard evidence (video, audio) in this matter. But it's still a business, and business is about $-even with hard evidence that this is a skakedown.)

Posted by: Frank at March 13, 2007 9:56 AM

Ironically, it is CAIR which has government resources (Saudi money, etc.). The US government has to realize that private business, under such circumstances, are very vulnerable when they face law suits from organizations that are backed by a foreign government's financial resources. Such organizations should be barred from suing private business. (the money should be carefully monitored for any laundering and swift prosecution should follow when that occurs.) Law suits are often used to intimidate and silence opposition, or for shakedown purposes and this is just that. It's organized crime with foreign money fueling "legal" terror.

US Air has to get public support, but the government must give it support by a criminal investigation of CAIR and the fraud involved in this matter. This is a criminal matter.

Posted by: Frank at March 13, 2007 10:32 AM

According to everything that I read, these flying Imans were never handcuffed and were treated respectfully from all the witnesses involved.

We haven't seen the suit yet but shouldn't they be suing the TSA, and the FBI as well -- or another words the United States Government. I think the United States Justice department and its battery of lawyers should throw its full weight into this. If not then CAIR and their battery of attorneys (some ACLU) is cherry picking its charges in favor of making US Airways complicit by their actions only. If this goes to court which I hope that it does (dont payout of court US Airways)we should be able to televise this for all to see. Of course that is not going to happen because the lawyers are out there judge shoping as best they can.

Posted by: Mackie at March 13, 2007 10:44 AM

Mackie-

20 years ago I worked for a major insurance Co. and detected embezzlement of funds via dummy claims. I brought it to the attention of my supervisor. He was really upset-at me! (I later realized that he was upset because it happened on his watch. We were friends, and he apologized to me later.) But the FBI was involved after Lou brought the issue to Regional.

They actually had the perp on tape (bank video) cashing Co checks and the SOB denied it was him!!! The guy was a pathological liar. Anyway, this guy was into the Co for a lot of money. However, the Co. made a deal with him that if he paid back the $, they would not prosecute. The Co. just did not want the publicity-even though the Co. was the victim. It was then that I realized I did not want to be part of a corporate culture.

There is an old joke about this. Blue collar guys bowl, mid-management folks play temmis and the executives play golf. Moral? Your balls get smaller as you go up in rank.

I hope the US Air execs got some balls.

Posted by: Frank at March 13, 2007 12:15 PM

Please let them know that you are with them, as long as they do not fold.

Dear Sir or Madam,

I am writing to you to express my concern about the "Flying Imams" lawsuit against your company. Having flown your airlines for many years, it troubles me that you are being sued by folks that went to great lengths to bring notice to themselves. I sincerely hope that your company will issue a counter-suit against them for purposely causing the disruption of this flight. Please do not settle this case. I will gladly donate to your legal fund to fight this charge. If, on the other hand, you decide to pay these folks to make this go away, you will never see me on your airplanes again.

Posted by: Hillbilly at March 13, 2007 12:16 PM

Imams should be charged for disruptive behavior. By creating a scene of suspicion post 911 and creating unnecessary panic among other passenger. all the passenger needs to be called in for testimony. US air must win this case at any cost.. let it be an exaple.

Posted by: Birbhadra at March 13, 2007 1:40 PM

"Flying imams" can take a flying leap to Backwards-stan.

Posted by: champ at March 13, 2007 2:54 PM

"There is an old joke about this. Blue collar guys bowl, mid-management folks play temmis and the executives play golf. Moral? Your balls get smaller as you go up in rank." --Frank

Good One Frank! Thanks for the laugh.

Dear Sir or Madam,

"I am writing to you to express my concern about the "Flying Imams" lawsuit against your company. Having flown your airlines for many years, it troubles me that you are being sued by folks that went to great lengths to bring notice to themselves. I sincerely hope that your company will issue a counter-suit against them for purposely causing the disruption of this flight. Please do not settle this case. I will gladly donate to your legal fund to fight this charge. If, on the other hand, you decide to pay these folks to make this go away, you will never see me on your airplanes again." --Hillbilly

Well done Hillbilly! It's restrained and rational, yet effectively blunt too. If they get enough letters like that then it may very well figure into their decision.

Posted by: alexon at March 13, 2007 7:57 PM

Eventually I'll be mapping CAIR's offices on JihadMapping.com as notice that jihad in the USA won't be tolerated.

Posted by: Foehammer at March 14, 2007 6:51 AM

Destroying the air travel industry in the U.S. is a prime goal of islamists. Whether they do it with bombs or lawyers is irrelevent. Let U.S. Air know that they have support (as I have already done) and maybe it will give their trembling management some courage. All management types need assistance with displaying courage.

Posted by: pismopal at March 14, 2007 12:36 PM

As far as I am concerned, if they wernt guilty they would have thanked the airline for protecting them and us, they would understand why we have to take such precautions and the reason is becuase of their own people... If only one percent of Muslims are terrorists it adds up to 12 million terrorists so we have every reason to protect our own...
I feel now that the only answer is to shift every muslim out of America... as they are allowed to lie to the infidel, in times of war and to further allahs cause as long as they dont mean it in their hearts we cant trust them and have no other course to take, we cant keep living having to look over our shoulders all the time.

If the airlines win, we will know that there is still a bit of justice in America, but if the judges give in to these animals then we know that we are finished and must now fight to get our freedom back...
The governments are obviously not going to wake up so we are going to have to force them, and the worst thing is the left are more asleep than the right...Hillary is making all sorts of noises against Muslims, but the Clintons were in bed with them and it is because of the Clintons that we now have this problem...

Posted by: Gaye at March 16, 2007 5:03 AM