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March 16, 2007

Imams' suit risks 'chill' on security

As we have noted here many times. And here we learn that this could affect other cases as well, not just ones involving suspicious activity on airplanes. By Audrey Hudson in the Washington Times, with thanks to all who sent this in:

Six imams who are suing an airline and an airport for removing them from a flight also have aimed the lawsuit at passengers who the imams believe reported some of their activities.

The suit filed this week in U.S. District Court in Minneapolis names as defendants "John Does" who "contacted US Airways to report the alleged suspicious behavior" of the imams before the Nov. 20 flight -- an inclusion some lawyers, who are not connected to the litigation, say will have a "chilling effect" on airline security.

"If such a suit could proceed, it would have a chilling effect on the willingness of people to provide information that authorities need to act when people are engaged in wrongdoing," said Mark Behrens, a liability defense lawyer with the Washington firm of Shook, Hardy & Bacon.

"If reporting suspicious behavior becomes actionable, that could have a dangerous precedent for reporting other crimes, like child abuse and abductions," Mr. Behrens said. "It's certainly a form of intimidation to go after passengers."

Ah, but intimidation is their strong suit.

Posted by Robert at March 16, 2007 7:28 AM
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The inability to take action on suspicious behaviour will cost lives...possibly yours..

Posted by: exsgtbrown [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 16, 2007 7:40 AM

Maybe if Americans stop flying in protest over their lawsuit(flying imams), the airlines might keep passenger safty rule #1. Wake up America!

Posted by: AMartinez [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 16, 2007 7:59 AM

"Maybe if Americans stop flying in protest over their lawsuit(flying imams), the airlines might keep passenger safty rule #1. Wake up America!"


...you should sue every Muslim entity or store or individual every time you perceive an injustice...they want court action, then give it to them....every time they refuse to ring your purchases, every time they refuse to let you take their cab, every time they deny you your rights or make you feel threatened..every time...every time...over and over....keep them in court..

Posted by: exsgtbrown [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 16, 2007 8:31 AM

This is part of their plan to scare Americans, & and airlines into saying nothing out of the fear of being sued, or being called "racist." Eventually, if this kind of suit is settled, the airlines will think twice about the cost of security. What if they aren't terrorists? We will be sued for alot of money. Better let them board. At the very least, it will weaken security measures because of fear of recrimination. It is an absolute must to fight this with the heaviest stick.

Posted by: Gotham at March 13, 2007 12:35 AM

Got to take matters into your own hands... want to make sure that flight doesn't get off the ground.... beat the muslim.

Posted by: Gotham [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 16, 2007 9:28 AM

How I wish I were one of the passengers the imams have targeted with lawsuits.

I wish I was one of the passengers involved in this ...

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 16, 2007 9:42 AM

And of course, this is what this incident was all about.......confounding or legal system AND national security. Brilliant. I hope we have the stones to stop this, but I have my doubts.

Posted by: n.a. palm [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 16, 2007 9:45 AM

The lawsuit should be thrown out of court and the six imams deported!

Posted by: The Resistance [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 16, 2007 10:11 AM

I saw the segment with Geraldo on Hannity & Colmes. He was quite willing to blame the passengers for “over-reacting.”

But I wonder why Geraldo was a guest. He did not appear authoritative, knowledgeable, or principled. He came across as overly giddy and comical during a serious debate in which he only offered his intuitive opinion. He looked uncomfortable between the two hosts as if he wished they each would just stop disagreeing and cozy up to his intuitive position.

Sure, Geraldo has always been a touchy, feely guy, but he came across as a bit too effeminate in this segment.

Just wondering if others saw it the same way ... please correct me if I’m mistaken.

Hopefully, the jury won’t be a bunch of these touchy, feely, let’s-get-along types.

Posted by: LoneRanger [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 16, 2007 10:43 AM

Someone should arrest Heraldo Rivera for defending these creeps on Fox the other day. I wanted to shoot the TV.

Posted by: savitch [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 16, 2007 10:47 AM

or Geraldo, or whatever the idiots name is.

Posted by: savitch [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 16, 2007 10:49 AM

Someone should sue CAIR for being a menace to security as well as for egging on BS lawsuits like this one.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 16, 2007 10:57 AM

"If reporting suspicious behavior becomes actionable, that could have a dangerous precedent for reporting other crimes, like child abuse and abductions."

This is one of the most disturbing parts of the suit- if indeed taking action against people for reporting suspicious behavior is allowed, law enforcement will change dramatically- can you report someone in your yard in the middle of the night? If he's not in the act of a crime, no, since you can be sued. Can you report a potential rapist following you? Not unless you're raped, because you can get sued. Reporting of suspicious behavior in any instance will essentially be eliminated, since those reporting will be subject to prosecution. Potentially, the police may even be prohibited from questioning anyone regarding suspicious behavior, due to the possibility of legal action.

A boon for lawyers, not so good for the general public or law enforcement.

They are trying to destroy us from within- I hope our judicial system understands what is at risk.

Posted by: s [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 16, 2007 11:52 AM

After Hannity told Geraldo Rivera that he was completely wrong on the issue of the flying imans', and proceeded to tell him why as Geraldo tried unsuccessfully to talk over Hannity,Geraldo openly admitted that he did not know any of the facts of the case at all. At that point I was so disgusted as to why they had this ignoramous even on to discuss this important topic that I turned off the TV.

Posted by: Mackie [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 16, 2007 12:33 PM

Oh God I hope nothing happens when I fly back from Colorado a couple of weeks from now. I don't know if anything much can happen from Denver to Sacramento but I don't know. I don't want to be the one to report suspicious behavior. I'm just a college student. The John and Jane Does are probably not students, but they'll still be screwed financially, especially if they lose.

I pray that the flying imams lose, lose, and lose. And I want them to feel the loss over and over again.

Posted by: wrathofasma [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 16, 2007 1:21 PM

It will hinge on if these are Clinton and Carter appointed nut case judge or a Bush 41 & 43 judge.

That is the important part of this story left out.

Posted by: Lame Cherry [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 16, 2007 1:55 PM

I am not sure that this type of lawsuit represents a boon for lawyers, except those lawyers, like the ones representing the plaintiff who favor a regime change, which, by limiting the scope of the airlines, airports and law enforcement to investigate, seems to be an implied objective.

As to suing the individual(s) who may have reported the imans behavior, it is unclear what their legal grounds would be to obtain relief against the individuals. Moreover, assuming they locate the "Does", the "does" conceivably and should assert a counterclaim for emotional distress and that the actions of the imans caused them distress - the imans might re-think their suit if they are facing a multi-million dollar counterclaim, and based on the reports that they were acting suspiciously, could very well result in judgment against the imans, as a jury, after hearing this evidence, could easily conclude that the imans, at the least, were attempting to cause emotional distress to the passengers.

Posted by: Penfold [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 16, 2007 1:57 PM

In the end they will need more than 50 million Saudi to settle the lawsuit over emotional distress that is still continuing today. Some of these people probably had near heart attacks thinking they were going to be hijacked and flown into a building. They are today worrying that these thugs will obtain their names and after that we all know that death threats will follow. It is all predictable, it happens every time, not once in a while, every time without exception. Their tactics are similar to but even more devious than tactics employed by organized crime, they should be looked into under the RICO act.

Posted by: tgusa [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 16, 2007 3:31 PM

This kind of reminds me of Scientology tactics except far more sinister. Rather than intimidating one or a few enemies, they are trying to intimidate an entire country.

If you know anyone involved, LGF has some pro bono offers

Posted by: Cheeky Human [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 16, 2007 4:51 PM

I don't believe they can sue individuals for reporting them. Otherwise you could take that logic to the streets and then noboby would report anything. The police & the judicial system will not let this suit stand. If a judge rules in favor of the imans then I blame the judge & jury for fault.

Secondly if the imans drag the person reporting the potential crime in to court then the imans should be countersued for 10 times the amount.

Posted by: Mekoots [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 16, 2007 8:43 PM

It's certainly a form of intimidation to go after passengers."

It certainly is. So that passengers don't do another United 93. So that passengers just sit back, too afraid to defend their flight against these beasts, and just meekly accept their fate in the future.

And I am certain there will be future attacks using planes. The 9/11 atrocities were just too spectacular and too effective to not repeat. 9/11 was an spiritual Awakening for all those angry, impotent Muslims. It empowered them and showed them what Islam is really about. Not just praying & washing & other obsessive rituals, but macho death & destruction that causes the infidel to quake in fear and submit. Oh, what power that makes them feel! There's hundreds, if not thousands, wanting to be one of another group of "magnificent" 17.

Would the brave passengers of that flight fight back, knowing that if they're wrong, they'd be facing a crippling lawsuit and/or intimidation?

It's all part of their strategy. They are evil. Pure evil.

Posted by: feralee [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 16, 2007 11:25 PM

Every time I'm in the Atlanta airport, at least once a month, the loud speakers are constantly advising people to "report suspicious activity." I have the entire recorded speech memorized, I've heard it so many times.

I cannot believe they are suing the passengers that they terrorized with their threatening and aggressive behavior. I hope they are countersued by both the passengers and the airline and spend the rest of their miserable, wife-beating lives paying the damages, assuming the Saudis don't step in and do it for them. They are going to push us too far one day, and I can see that day drawing nearer and nearer.

Posted by: Susanp [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 17, 2007 1:02 AM

I've heard of a phrase used in New York City:

"If you see something, say something."

Good advice. But how many people will now be hesitant to say anything at all, for fear of being sued ?

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 17, 2007 9:26 AM

"Would the brave passengers of that flight fight back, knowing that if they're wrong, they'd be facing a crippling lawsuit and/or intimidation?"
posted by feralee

Making something wrong or illegal will not stop Americans from doing what is right. Do you think for a minute that the passengers of flight 93 thought that crashing an airliner into a field was LEGAL? Or correct? Or morally right?

It's illegal to run a red light, yet cameras have caught over 3,000 incidences in one day at one intersection!

I knew a man back in the 70's whose daughter was being beat up inside his fenced yard, late at night by her drug dealing boyfriend. He took his gun outside and killed the creep. He was tried for murder and sentenced to a loony bin because he would not admit to the court that what he did was wrong. He never changed his mind and neither have I. Now it is legal to kill a creep who is hurting someone you love in that state, even outside your house.

One thing the Muslim world does not understand, because of that lack of thinking for yourself thing. This country will always do what is best for the "Bottom" line. They just don't have the comprehension of the what a powerful motivating force profit is.
Because they don't build businesses and enterprises (unless it's a grant from the SBA for a convenience store) they don't understand that this capitalism thing is part of our very souls here. Even if we pay lip service to hating the world dominating corporations, etc.
It's a fact, even Cindy Sheehan is in it for the fame and money.
The airlines will find a way to keep their airplanes safe. I am sure there is already a lot of secret security that we know nothing about in place.

One more thing, over the years a lot of people got in trouble over wounding a perp. in the act of committing a crime. They were sued for damages and reparations and even criminally prosecuted.
Nowadays the common thought amongst those who prefer to defend themselves and their loved ones, rather than wait for the government to take care of it. 'It's better to have only one story when the authorities get there'.

Posted by: auntbea [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 19, 2007 9:42 AM

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