When ever l read this ""When they bring in someone like that, it makes it difficult even for us to explain to the Muslim community that (the FBI) is neutral and is not listening to extremists who really hate Muslims," Safi said."
l know that true reform is not going to happen anytime soon. When these so called "moderate Muslims" cannot even agree that there these little pesky passages in the Koran, that incites violence, hatred towards non Muslims, you have a very big obstacle towards any reform. These so called moderate muslims only want to be the victim, and have us non muslims believe their koran is peaceful and to accomodate them, like having their sharia.
do we have to wait for bombs to drop, its up to these so called muslims to change, not us!

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at March 18, 2007 7:17 AM

This hysterical reaction is revealing. Robert is clearly having an effect. It is also clear that as far as manipulating the press is concerned, despite the MSM lapping it up, their approach is amateurish, with basic emotions getting in the way of what would perhaps be the wisest approach, simply ignoring him. Like the Devil and holy water, they are unable to do so.

Should the MSM ever wake up, this uncontrollable urge to respond emotionally will be an Achilles' heel that should be used to our advantage.

Posted by: anti-uffe at March 18, 2007 7:26 AM

Mr Spencer,
"You Rock!!!!"

Posted by: tblab at March 18, 2007 8:40 AM

…bringing Spencer in to talk of Islam is akin to bringing an anti-Semite to talk about Jews or a Ku Klux Klan member to talk about race. "Many people in our community will not be happy with it."

…bringing Bill Cosby in to talk to neighborhood leaders about the state of inner city public schools. “The local teacher’s union is unhappy.”

…bringing Marc Klass in to brief the police on Megan’s Law. “The ACLU and NAMBLA have voiced concern.”

Thank you Robert. Your work is very important and benefits everybody. The people who stand to benefit the most are those Muslims who Safi presumes to speak for. Stay safe.

Posted by: pez at March 18, 2007 8:48 AM

It is unbelievable that these taqiyya masters have got away with this 'islamophobia' bulls*#t for so long. If this takes off, and I sure hope it does, then this might be the turning point. This battle can be won, and Spencer and people like him are the key. The KKK-rubbish is just more of the same old smear like 'out of context..'

Get the show on the road, Spencer!

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at March 18, 2007 9:06 AM

The decision by the FBI's Indianapolis office to bring in author Robert Spencer to talk to its anti-terrorism task force has a Plainfield-based Muslim organization concerned that the bureau is listening to an "Islamophobe" who distorts its faith.

So then the only ones that are allowed access to the FBI is CAIR?

Louay Safi, director of leadership development with the Plainfield-based Islamic Society of North America, said bringing Spencer in to talk of Islam is akin to bringing an anti-Semite to talk about Jews or a Ku Klux Klan member to talk about race.

Wait just a minute, are there any more anti-Jewish than those who embrace Islam? Is Louay Safi now a Jewish champion who is now committed to protecting Jews even while her Quran instructs her to kill them?

"Many people in our community will not be happy with it," Safi said.

Yes, because “many people” detest the fact the others have certain rights and enjoy a protected status as citizens, with equal access to the government under the law and the Constitution of the United States, besides muslims. Is it really about muslims “happiness” and only about muslim “feelings?”

Safi said Spencer's writings take selected passages from Islamic writings out of context in an effort to prove the religion condones terrorism. He said the FBI's use of Spencer could reinforce views some Muslims hold that the bureau treats them unfairly.

Just what part of Sura 9 is “out of context,” Safi?

"When they bring in someone like that, it makes it difficult even for us to explain to the Muslim community that (the FBI) is neutral and is not listening to extremists who really hate Muslims," Safi said

Indeed, “when they bring in someone like that,” some muslims have their eyes opened for the first time in their lives and start peppering the imams with embarrassing questions! Worse, these inquiring minds who want to know start researching for themselves and eventually start THINKING and getting ideas and begin to realize that they are part of a murdering cult and seek out ways to quietly defect to safety!

Spencer said he is not an "Islamophobe," and that he understands a majority of Muslims are peaceful. But he said there is no mistaking that modern-day jihadists from Osama bin Laden to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi cite the teachings of Islam in rationalizing their attacks.

The question here is what exactly is meant by “peaceful.” There are millions of ways of waging war and terror; suicide murders are just one aspect.

In this specific instance I completely disagree with Spencer; muslims engaged in islam are engaged in an act of war and are NOT peaceful even if they are not actively killing today.

The flying imams were “peaceful” but they are engaged in a war that they are winning.

The clerk at Target who refused to ring up the pork, was ‘peaceful’ but actively engaged in war and she is winning.

Ellison was “peaceful” when he placed his hand upon the quaran to take his oath of office – but it was a nefarious act of war against this country and all the non-muslim people in it, none the less!

And Ellison, is winning!

Posted by: witness at March 18, 2007 9:49 AM

Robert I just wish you would come down here and address law enforcement and the government here. You know its only 14 hours by plane to Sydney from LAX which is about the same as LAX to NYC and return so doesn't sound too bad does it?

Robert Spencer come on down...

Posted by: payingattention at March 18, 2007 9:49 AM

I felt a sudden pang for you, Robert. Day after day after day - the same stupid questions, the same insults and smears. The same 100-Proof CAIR-rion Smarm

You are laying the groundwork for a seismic shift which will come to public opinion, the media and everywhere when The Perfect Ones go too far as evidentally they feel compelled to.

Posted by: poetcomic1 at March 18, 2007 10:03 AM

If they want to live in America, they'd better get used to the fact that people get offended EVERY day in this country. Thus, they should stop with their crying and move on.

Otherwise, there's always Saudi Arabia or Iran for them.

Posted by: DCWatson at March 18, 2007 10:32 AM

ROBERT: "If peaceful Muslims don't confront this and formulate new and non-literalist ways of understanding this material, it will continue to be used to incite violence. In other words, the use that jihadists make of elements of the Qur'an and Muhammad's teaching makes it incumbent upon peaceful Muslims to perform a searching reevaluation of how they understand those elements, so as to neutralize their capacity to set Muslims against non-Muslims."

RESPONSE: No offense oh fearless leader, but at some point, you're going to have to abandon this approach. You're essentially asking Muslims to find a way of interpreting these texts so that they don't say what they actually say. It's a dead end.

Instead of arguing over theological details and engaging in intellectual gymnastics, what Muslims really need to be called upon to do is simply to embrace the concept of secularism. This is the fault line of the struggle between the past and the future.

Arguments of theological interpretation will then fall away into the realm of private worship, where they belong.

Posted by: Cornelius at March 18, 2007 10:36 AM

'Anyway, Safi's libels here remind me of a comment I got from another reporter some time ago: "One reason I starting reading your site was because people were insulting you. That meant you were getting under their skin. After a short read, it became clear the insults were unjustified, which implied your message angered them, but they were unable to counter it without insults."'

Wow, who is that reporter? And why do I get the feeling that he/she doesn't work for e.g. CNN...

Posted by: Dane at March 18, 2007 10:50 AM

"Safi said Spencer's writings take selected passages from Islamic writings out of context in an effort to prove the religion condones terrorism....."

That "out of context" BS is getting so old ! Islam not only condones terrorism, it encourages it.
Thank God for Robert Spencer.

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at March 18, 2007 11:13 AM

"Maybe Osama bin Laden is misusing the Quran, but the Islamic Society of North America has never formed a response to the way he misuses it," Spencer said.

I just love your irony, Robert.

Posted by: FreeSpeech at March 18, 2007 11:15 AM

Many Americans are insulted when the FBI invites CAIR to offer advice.

Muslims may be insulted when Robert is invited to offer advice.

Since when is it unwise to canvass a broad spectrum of input?

All I can think of is ...

When your advice is disengenuous and full of holes ... like CAIR's.

Posted by: LoneRanger at March 18, 2007 12:21 PM

Robert
I love Indianapolis. If you have time, take a stroll by the C&O canal, just outside the Butler University campus and the Lilly (pharmaceuticals) mansion.
Have a good visit there.

Posted by: ovidius_naso at March 18, 2007 12:26 PM

"Many people in our community will not be happy with it,(The Spencer adress)" Safi said.

Many people? There are 25-30 there now, so how many is many?

OK! I will put on my Robert Spencer look-alike mask and go for a walk in Indy... Cover me...

Posted by: QuadoLama at March 18, 2007 12:31 PM

Plainefield Indiana, a sleepy little town outside of Indy with a population of approx 22K. Now why would an Islamist organization set up camp here?

Could it be because of the dawa opportunities
at these instituitions?

Plainfield Correctional Facility
Plainfield Juvenile Correctional Facility

Nah! It couldn't be.

Posted by: William The Crusader at March 18, 2007 12:41 PM

Thank God we still have FBI independent leadership in regional offices who are not being led by the warped individuals who let 9 11 happen by the compartmentalizing of information and ignoring other claims.

Growing up I adored the professionalism and standards the FBI set for the world. They always were fair and you could always trust them to do what is right. One of my neighbor friends is a former agent and he is the epitome of all that is good about that agency yet even if the Clintons almost brought the ruin of it by sticking in political operatives and hindered agents.

It is so pleasing that Mr. Spencer is being called in to give these agents an honest assessment as they could not have a more thorough or intelligent seminar.

I would add this in closing. Who needs Fox or the media in being on talk shows when Mr. Spencer has the honor of addressing the FBI to set policy standards agents in the midwest will keep America secure by. That is influence more than Limbaugh, Hannity & Colmes, CNN, FOX, CBS, NBC, ABC, Nightline, The New York Times, Boston Globe and Congress combined.

God bless you and keep you Mr. Spencer. What a badge of honor this is to have our most wonderful of agencies asking you to teach them.

Way to go FBI!

Semper Fi.

Posted by: Lame Cherry at March 18, 2007 12:41 PM

Everybody needs to print out the newspaper article that is linked to this article and write on it:

"Please Mr FBI, dont pass up a chance to hear the
truth about Muslim immigration in the USA and the
rest of the world. Schedule Robt. Spencer as quickly as you can."

Then fax it to: Indianapolis FBI 317.639.3301
http://indianapolis.fbi.gov/officelocras.htm

posted by Strikeitrich

Posted by: Strikeitrich at March 18, 2007 1:33 PM

And after Mr. Spencer gives his talk to the Indianapolis FBI, I hope intelligent, inquiring minds will evaluate why the Islamic Society of North America are so committed to slandering his work.

Do they simply disagree? Or do they know full well how true and compelling Spencer's claims are? And if they know this, then why do they try so hard to defame and marginalize Spencer?

Then, a little reading and imagination should seal the opinions of the FBI. Read the Qur'an and Sunnah: how should good Muslims treat Infidels who speak again Islam and the Prophet? What is the penalty for blasphemy? What would an organization like the Islamic Society of North America do if there were a Muslim majority, or even a sizable minority? How would Spencer's work be opposed then?

Posted by: JTF at March 18, 2007 2:35 PM

Good! May they get so offended that they leave the United States permanently for Islamia--and pronto!

Posted by: pythagoras at March 18, 2007 4:08 PM

William the Crusader --

That's good work. That's exactly the kind of thing that needs to be sent to the security services. They don't understand how these campaigns of Daw'a work, nor why they have to be monitored, checked, limited, in every way.

Posted by: Hugh at March 18, 2007 5:14 PM

You're the man! NOBODY else can touch you. The rest are pathetic wannabes just immitating you IMHO. And I don't buy the "it would be like bringing in an Israeli to talk to Palestinians" crap.

Posted by: hook at March 18, 2007 5:39 PM

"Many people in our community will not be happy with it," Safi said.

And they think we give a damn BECAUSE??????

Posted by: The Goobs at March 18, 2007 5:42 PM

Mr Spencer posted: If peaceful Muslims don't confront this and formulate new and non-literalist ways of understanding this material, it will continue to be used to incite violence.

Now this is the challenging bit - how to bend, distort, formulate or manipulate, the quite categorical commands to wage Jihad war on the Infidel. Mr Spencer, Hugh F or better still a person with a politician's mind, should furnish a few examples for Muslims, how the Jihad suras can be interpreted contextually in the non-literal sense.

Posted by: DP111 at March 18, 2007 6:33 PM

Every time I hear this same tripe by the "Peaceful" Muslims that avoid the elephant in the room , it merely re-enforces my own view that the Quran is so complex and vague that ANY normal person will never know the exact "Context" of a verse.

In fact , the entire original Quran was put in Context by the people that assumed they fully understood Muhammed's intentions for every comment he made because Muhammed couldn't read nor could he write , and this my friends is much like having a Movie director tell you how they want the movie portrayed from an emotional aspect
and once you write it down it's then handed to several other Directors to handle parts of the movie and then they must convey it to the actors.

BTW , check out this Radio interview where a well know Canadian "Moderate" Muslim calls in to accuse Robert of Blasphemy , the caller is the same person demanding Canada create a new Hate-Law to ban the "Apostate" title that Jihadists justify for violence against the non-Sharia law Muslims.

http://www.640toronto.com/john_oakley/john_oakley_audio.cfm

just click on the Robert Spencer hypertext a few titles down.

Posted by: ala-sux at March 18, 2007 6:40 PM

"Many people in our community will not be happy with it"

So be it. The rest of the world doesn't care.

Posted by: Syndic Nuruodo at March 18, 2007 7:08 PM

"Mr Spencer, Hugh F or better still a person with a politician's mind, should furnish a few examples for Muslims, how the Jihad suras can be interpreted contextually in the non-literal sense."

I think someone tried something like that in another thread but it was complained about as being "semantic."

Posted by: Aspen at March 18, 2007 7:10 PM

Aspen

Thanks. I will try and find the thread. You dont offchance remember which thread?

Posted by: DP111 at March 18, 2007 7:45 PM

Generally I hate talking with reporters. Too many times I have wasted an hour of my life with them, only to get one misleading half-line in a story full of ad hominem attacks from jihad apologists. Here is one memorable example. And once in Toronto...well, I digress.

A highly effective publicity strategy would be a libel case held in federal court against the Moslem and the pro-Islam entity that published it (probably a network or a newspaper).

But that hasn't happened, and may never happen, for a number of reasons:

1) The sitting administration, whether Liberal or RINO, would put heavy pressure on the federal district to decline the case for a number of reasons, especially the oil reason.

2) The federal judge, even if not pressured, himself would fearful of the 6th Pillar, and would refuse to hear the case based on some trumped up legalism.

3) If the federal judge somehow actually agreed to hear the case, as it unfolded the Koran and other Islamic sources, including histories written by Islamic scholars, would be revealed for what they are.

Islam is perhaps unique in history in that they can be sent over the edge into paroxyms of murderous rage simply by telling the truth about it. A worldwide firestorm would ensue (the 6th Pillar in action), dangerously so in places such as Sweden, France, the UK, Norway, Italy, Denmark, Germany, Canada and other nations deeply committed to suicide-by-Moslem.

4) In the American legal system the complainant is required to appear. Who would do that? In our example, Spencer would have have to emerge from Udisclosured Secure Locationville and appear under the worst of circumstances.

Certainly he would be attacked by professional Moslem activists (possibly including even suicide bombers) as he came and went from from the court. He' be phased into Salman Rushdie status, but in a much worse way because he's a hundredfold bigger threat.

In know what you're thinking, rape victims are allowed to appear anonymously. But, think about it, that not an option in a libel case.

5) Our civilization is being raped, and the general population is starting to sense that. In the unlikely event our example case ever got to court, the judiciary would figure a way to derail it.

* 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 *

The 6th Pillar works like a dream. A nightmare dream.

Anti-Jihad leaders like Spencer must endure malicious obfuscation, which I think pisses them off personally but greatly concerns them because the obfuscation works to make murky the unfreiendly forces moving in around us.

So then, back to the drawing boards. The central question at this juncture is how can the truth about Islam be accurately and irrefutably exposed to entire populations in a short period of time, before it's too late.

Is that even possible? Or do they have us surrounded?

Mohammed conceived a near perfect ideology takeover machine built to run on low power over the course of centuries until it finally prevails.

The machine is highly effective, especially given the Marxism and petrodollars that have enabled it so over the past 150 years.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at March 18, 2007 7:47 PM

It comes as no suprise that "some Communitys" would not like Mr. Spencers presentations. The Truth is hard for many to face.

Mr. Spencers work rings true more than the Majority would like to hear. I am not even refering to Muslims either.

Islam is the paradox in human behavior that Multiculturalism cannot explain away. It is the proof of an invalid equation. The Multiculturalists and their MSM supporters have a deeply vested intrest in preventing the truth from being exposed. The weakness of ones position is always exposed when BS is a substitute for the truth.

They have learned Dr. Goebbels lessions well.

Hate Speach is a clever way of denouncing the truth.

Posted by: flowerknife_us at March 18, 2007 8:12 PM

Robert, when were you in Toronto?

Posted by: hasvfidra at March 18, 2007 10:54 PM

5) Our civilization is being raped, and the general population is starting to sense that. In the unlikely event our example case ever got to court, the judiciary would figure a way to derail it.

Our civilization has been prostituted by the pimps who strut the halls of power like pompus, pretty peacocks in our capitals; for the same base reasons that street pimps engage in their trade.

As prostitutes, our civilization has become used to the idea of fornication with islam and has lost sight of the fact that such defilement is immoral -- so confused are we, that we know not the very meaning of morality; in short, most members of our civilization don't know the difference between being raped and lusting for it.

The clients are the same old islamic johns, night after night, whose every visit spirls them downward into the abyss of depravity. To satisfy their debauchery, the islamic johns know that more jaded acts await them if they merely pay the pimps in suits just a little more.

Until the prostitutes do something about their pimps and forcibly usurp control over their broken lives, they are doomed; likewise, so is our civilization.

Posted by: witness at March 19, 2007 9:07 AM

So if they're upset with Spencer visiting the FBI, how am I supposed to react when the FBI invites radical imams for the same discussions? Or maintains close relationships with the same through their Community Outreach efforts?

I guess if they're to tell their flock not to trust the FBI because Spencer's invited, I don't think they'd like MY required response.

PFFFT.

Posted by: kafir_kelbeh at March 19, 2007 11:46 AM

I hope the FBI doesn't cave in to Safi and his "offended" Muslims and not have Spencer. How has it reached a point in the U.S. that Muslims can proclaim "we're offended" and they actually think we care??? The PC liberals have done this, correct?

Posted by: darcy at March 19, 2007 2:50 PM

"The PC liberals have done this, correct?"

PC? What's that? No, PC is not to blame here, only the "un-intelligent". There, doesn't that help?

Posted by: remote_control at March 20, 2007 5:12 AM

Mr. Spencer;
For the sake of all Americans and freedom loving people everywhere, keep up your work. You are an inspiration and a brave man (or woman)... The facts will ultimately come out. The imams in this nation will know that their plot has been uncovered. America has not risen yet. A token force invaded Afghanistan and Iraq. We are capable of so much more, and if the enemy provokes that, so be it. The words live free or die are etched in patriots minds. We know that sacrifice can be made. It is not our utmost desire, and we do not seek martyrdom nor cosmic reward. Our families and neighbors will thank us for the efforts we make in this struggle.

I cannot imagine why anyone is offended by the truth. If they have another version they would like to offer, then please do. The facts are plain. The death cult has infiltrated our land and must be rooted out. We must press our government and authorities not to cave in to public relations pressure. Our lives will not be given so freely.

Bless this nation and its people. Those who are here with ulterior motives need to leave. The time is fast approaching when the world will know your true faces. Thank God.

Posted by: Rarivette at March 20, 2007 4:14 PM