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Unacceptable, for so many reasons. "Taxation office to probe Muslim cleric on Saudi cash," by Richard Kerbaj for The Australian:
A SENIOR Muslim cleric working for the tax office in Canberra is being investigated over accusations he failed to pay income tax on thousands of dollars he allegedly received from the Saudi embassy.
An ACT Islamic organisation has also accused the Palestinian-born imam Mohammad Swaiti of being "radical", anti-Western in his religious teachings, and failing to declare payments he received from officiating at wedding ceremonies.
Documents obtained by The Australian reveal an Australian Tax Office investigation into Sheik Swaiti over allegations by senior Muslim community leaders that he failed to declare his clerical allowances of up to $US30,000 ($37,700) a year, which were paid to him by the Saudi Government.
The tax office sent Islamic Society of ACT president Sabrija Poskovic a letter in reply to written allegations made by him and his community regarding Sheik Swaiti.
"I refer to your letter relating to the imam of your mosque, Mohammad Swaiti, who also happens to be a tax office employee," the ATO's letter to Mr Poskovic says.
"I have passed your concerns to the relevant area of the tax office and I expect to be able to respond to you by 6 February 2007."
Documents provided to the tax office, which accuse Sheik Swaiti of being "very fanatic and radical person in his Islamic views", follow factional divisions within Canberra's Muslim community over issues including Canberra's only mosque.
The claims come after The Australian last week revealed that hardline Islamic clerics were encouraging their followers not to pay income tax because they considered it contrary to sharia law.
Sheik Swaiti refused to answer The Australian's questions regarding the ATO investigation and accusations levelled at him by sections of his community, saying God would deal with them.
"God is watching but let them do what they want," he said in Arabic. "Even if they accuse me of murder, I will not comment. You should not take any rubbish from anyone."
Mr Poskovic - whose organisation runs Canberra's Abu Bakr Mosque at which Sheik Swaiti is employed part-time - said the tax office refused to give him any details of the investigation, saying it was restricted by privacy issues.
"I ring them and they said to me we put (the investigation) in a proper hand and channel but we can't give any information on what we're doing," he said.
A tax office spokeswoman would not comment on the matter.
Mr Poskovic accused the Saudi Embassy of bankrolling the annual salaries of up to 20 imams around Australia, including Sheik Swaiti, through its Islamic donations (Daawa) office.
A letter understood to be sent on behalf of Mr Poskovic claims the Saudis pay the imams "mukafa", which is regarded a "reward compensation payment". It also alleges that Sheik Swaiti had been on the Saudi payroll for 12 years.
The Australian could not contact the Saudi embassy, which has previously declined to provide details on whether Islamic religious organisations receive funding from the Saudi Government. On January 9, the embassy expressed shock over Foreign Minister Alexander Downer's concerns about the funding of Adelaide's mosque.
Mr Poskovic said the Saudi Embassy was dividing the community by paying some imams to propagate the hardline Wahabbi ideology, a claim he has put to the Department of Foreign Affairs. In a letter to DFAT dated March 6, Mr Poskovic warns that community tensions "will escalate to physical violence in the near future" if the Saudi embassy does not stop its "interference" in community affairs.
Mr Poskovic said while his organisation ran Canberra's only mosque, it was powerless to have Sheik Swaiti thrown out because of his strong community support.
Posted by Marisol at March 19, 2007 10:26 AM
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It's only proper for a nation to pay its agents to sow trouble overseas. After all, imams don't live on "scholarship" alone.
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at March 19, 2007 10:52 AM
The way to strike at the Jihadists here (USA) would be to publish lists of Saudi and foreign funding of various mosques, schools and Imams. Americans will be repelled by how much foreign funding is involved. Also compel CAIR to divulge it's funding. They are tax exempt (I'm sure) so this should be made public knowledge
Posted by: dennisw at March 19, 2007 10:56 AM
I'll bet there are Shiite mosques here that get Iranian funding. May be indirect via a cut out but funds coming from Iran
But we have rich Muslims here such as this mega-tax evader --->>> http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2006/05/la_shish_owner.html
at March 19, 2007 11:00 AM
Oh come on. Does anyone really think these islamists pay their fair share of taxes? If they aren’t stealing from us by avoiding paying taxes they are stealing from us by way of welfare for themselve's and their gaggle of wives. Yes, wives, you didn’t think they left them back where they came from did you? Who’s kidding who, they don’t trust themselves or anyone else to control their desires, that’s why they have all these rules like forcing their women to wear drapery, the segregation of males and females, the “caravan rule”. I can only imagine the number of rapes that would occur if these rules didn’t exist. All that uncovered meat would drive them wild.
Posted by: tgusa at March 19, 2007 11:02 AM
He works for the tax office?!
So he is not only betraying Australia, but also his employer.
Does he take a salary from this tax office, while at the same time, telling his followers not to pay taxes?
He's got ingratitude and betrayal down to a fine art.
And he won't get nailed for anything old-fashioned and "moralistic" like treason - they'll have to get him for tax evasion.
Note to Australia: If you can't make tax evasion stick, try "Mail Fraud"...or nowadays, "Internet Fraud"..get him anyway you can.
Posted by: freedomschool at March 19, 2007 11:09 AM
During the entire Cold War, the Soviet Union, in all of its multifarious propaganda, spent in the West no more than ten billion dollars. During the past thirty years, Saudi Arabia alone has spent nearly one hundred billion dollars to spread Islam throughout the world -- especially the Western world.
When Muslims in Boston want a big mosque, want to put it right smack in Roxbury, the better to conduct Daw'a among the most obvious targets for those campaigns -- the black and, secondarily, the population of Hispanic immigrants -- a Muslim working for the Boston Redevelopoment Authority flies off to Saudi Arabia, and comes back, we are now told (but we are not told by the BRA, that fiercely resists having to publicly reveal who pays for his trip, who pays for his stay, with whom he meets while in Saudi Arabia), with guarantees for that mosque. When in nearby Billerica, fewer than a hundred immigrant Muslims are able to put up a mosque that costs $15 million, while Catholic parishes consisting of thousands cannot sustain a local church for want of funds, one wonders just who is paying for that $15 million dollar mosque. When mosques go up across America, and across England, and Canada, and Australia, when madrasas go up, when Bridge TV (the "Muslim channel") suddenly appears, when Al-Jazeera opens offices everywhere and hires a large staff of well-known Westerners with broadcast experience, when in the politics of the couloir, the Saudis manage to do it better than anyone, paying for armies of Western hirelings, those ex-diplomats, those ex-inteligence agents, those journalists, those businessmmen eager to promtoe the Saudi line (think of Whitney and United Technologies, organizing all those businesses to stoutly vouch for wonderful, "staunch ally" Saudi Arabia during the fight over the sale of AWACS, way back in 1980-81), and all those who have effectively throttled, for thirty critical years, any sensible energy policy even being hinted at being considered by the American government, because while everyone was looking the other way, Saudi agents of influence kept successive American governmentes in thrall, incapable of realizing that to "trust Sheikh Yamani" or "trust the Saudis to moderate OPEC oil prices" missed the point, or rather missed the two biggest points.
One, Saudi Arabia is not now, never was, and never could be, a "staunch ally" of any Infidel country. Here and there there may be a temporary overlap of interest. For example the Saudis were eager to have the Red Army defeated in Afghanistan. So was (possibly incorrectly) the American govenment, and there was collaboration there -- a collaboration which led to the Taliban, supported to the hilt by Saudi Arabia, subsequently taking over Afghanistan, and with the Taliban, Al-Qaeda being made welcome. Now that overlap comes in worry over Iran's power. In the case of the Saudis, this has only to do with a threat to their own regime and to Sunni Arabs generally, just as the opposition to Saddam Hussein had only to do with his possible move on Saudi Arabia, and nothing to do with his massacres of the Kurds or Shi'a or the obvious monstrousness of his behavior and his regime. The Saudis are indifferent to the killing of Baha'i, and Jews, the re-intorduction of the concept of Najis (that Armenian-owned restaurant that had to have a sign, Ms. Nafisi notices in "Reading 'Lolita' in Teheran, indicating it was owned by "unclean" non-Muslims and Muslims enter at their own peril), in Iran. They don't care about the cruel and crazed regime, the imposition of the burqa, the assaults on students, the systematic killing of Iranian intellectuals (including that famous couple who were decapitated and their heads left on either end of what passed for a mantlepiece). That doesn't bother them. That's just fine. They object only to Shi'a power that might pose problems for them.
Here is Saudi Arabia: the most malevolent and dangerous of all Muslim regimes. Here is Saudi Arabia, spreading its unmerited oil wealth around, in order to spread Islam throughout the Lands of the Infidels. And here are the Infidel governments, doing nothing to show their fury, but instead, the most powerful of Western governments, the American one, continues to allow the Al-Saud to believe that, coute que coute, the Americans will be there to rescue them.
No. Read them the riot act. No guarantees of anything. We regard their expenditures in the West as a menace, and will not permit it. They will have to choose. If they continue, the regime is expendable. And their assets in the West can be found -- or some can - and be seized, seized as the property of enemy aliens, and then liquidated, and sold to pay for the huge costs of dealing with increased security problems, the result, in part, of all those Saudi-financed mosuqes and madrasas and propaganda, and Saudi-paid Western hirelings, not forgetting of course the academic hirelings at places such as Exeter and Durham in England, and of course Esposito's transparent center at Georgetown, a place whose principals, in a rightly-ordered world, would be accused of treason, and the sources of their funding investigated by Congress, and their apologetic activities on behalf of Islam.,Exhibit #1: the books of John Esposito. Exhibit #2: the articles and public appearances of John Esposito Exhibit #3: John Voll, Yvonne Haddad, tutti quanti.
Successive presidents and, especially their energy and treasury secretaries have constantly been afraid of offending the Saudis. Wwhat if they pull out their money? What if they do this? What if they do that? Don't we have to appease them in order to be allowed to buy their oil? Some of this, but not all, has stoppedl. A few have managed to understand that no favors need be done to those who sell oil, at market prices, to all comers. Oil is fungible, and cannot be denied any buyer willing to pay the market price. Sellers are not able to direct their oil. However, it turns out that buyers that boycott certain oil-producers can be more effective, and can force those oil-producers into selling oil more cheaply than they would otherwise, so that with all the intermediate steps that must be taken to avoid the boycott, the price of oil ends up at the market level. That is what happened with Iraqi oil when the sanctions were imposed, and with Libyan oil as well. No oil-producer, least of all Saudi Arabia, wishes for the world to figure out ways to do with less oil, and Saudi Arabia has a direct interest in minimizing worries over global warming. And it has been most effective in buying up influence all over the Western world, influence that is not only damaging in the war of self-defense against Islam, but in the other, equally important war -- to slow down, as much as possible, the rate of global warming, and to figure out what to do to minimize the unavoidable harm already being done, and that will continue, no matter what is now done, long into the future.
Saudi Arabia is our mortal enemy. It will always be so. It doesn't matter how personally charming this or that prince or princeling or princelette turns out to be -- and by the way, they aren't very charming at all. The odd Saudi architect, Sami whatshisname, may be alright, and here and there, you find the one-in-a-million kind of Saudi such as the man who used to run www.thereligiouspoliceman.com, but that's about it.
Seeing Saudi Arabia as that enemy, and forcing it to halt its use of the "money weapon" if the Al-Saud know what's good for them, would show that this, or any Administration, at long last has broken with the idiotices and complacencies of the past, and realizes that something must be done to bring Saudi Arabia to heel.
The very least that can be done would be to make sure the Al-Saud know they can no longer count on us to protect them, to introduce a large gasoline tax and accompany that with the announcement that everything must be done to have gasoline (and oil)reflect, i.e. internalzie, the huge sums being spent in Iraq and elsewhere in the Middle East, informing the Saudis that the Jizyah from Infidels is over and if they wish to supply Egypt, Jordan, Pakistan, and of course the "Palestinians" with money as the deepest-pocketed of the umma al-islamiyya, fine, but no more Infidel money is going to be transferred, beyond that which unavoidably goes for oil purches, to any Muslims, and furthermore, they had better start paying insurance premiums -- a hundred billion to start the thing going would not be out of place, and might help recoup some of the expense of Tarbaby Iraq -- if they know what's good for them.
They'll take it in. They aren't fools. They are the oppposite of fools. They are very cunning, and have been delighted with the seemingly bottomless credulity of Western, and especially American, governments. Basta.
Posted by: Hugh at March 19, 2007 11:09 AM
Assalamau Laikum all,
The report says "hardline Islamic clerics were encouraging their followers not to pay income tax because they considered it contrary to sharia law".
Maan... I for one will never understand these peoples. They should pay tax..they must pay tax.
I often think these peoples have been born at the wrong time or in the wrong country, or with daylight showing between the ears.
It MAY be (in their eyes) wrong to pay income tax because of sharia law"...BUT..the facts are that this is the position today.
Who is to say that this position will always remain...if there is so few of you in Australia yet...then stop acting like a spoilt lund...pay your taxes ...keep a low profile...enjoy life ...and call over your wife, 2nd wife, cousins , sisters, brothers,grandfathers, girlfriend..etc to bolster yout tribe-peoples...peoples you can trust to bolster the ummah....this may take decades...and ofcourse you may have to pay taxes all your life.
But then in the future sometime...VOTE in your right to pay tax along sharia lines...AND further down the line align the country to a "correcting position" ...i.e. pay your tax dues ...but also get the Infedel to pay Jizyah in all "appropriate circumstances".
Yes Mohammad Swaiti...you must learn to wait...Allah is merciful to those who wait for his flat earth policy to develop ....right now your muslim duty is to pay the tax and cooperate fully with the authorities...do it.
Posted by: Naseem at March 19, 2007 11:12 AM
tgusa
I'm pretty sure Muslim tax evasion is justified by them by "the infidel owes us, and always will owe us" Also it's a form of Jizya. One Scandinavian Imam said stealing & defrauding the the natives was good and that it is Jizya.
I will not patronize Muslim businesses that are cash businesses. I refuse to help them evade taxes. Not all do but too many do. Cash businesses such as taxi, limousine, convenience store, restaurants, auto repair, gas station etc. Wherever lots of cash is handled.
Posted by: dennisw at March 19, 2007 11:13 AM
Assalamau Laikum all,
I can't wait until Sharia gets implemented in Dar al Harb lands. Incrementally of course. Then we will tax the infidels to death with our holy Jizya tax. Then use the proceeds to pay for more Jihads and more conquests of infidels
As always, Allah knows best,
Nuteem
Posted by: dennisw at March 19, 2007 11:18 AM
The US Feds got Al Capone on income tax evasion. This is how we can take out those on the Saudi payroll from the general population.
Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at March 19, 2007 11:22 AM
So Naseem you are saying that he should pay taxes until the West is overthrown by the death cult named Islam?
Posted by: Elric66 at March 19, 2007 11:25 AM
Just found via LGF---->>>>
(UK)How crash gangs net millions
Andrew Foxwell, Mail on Sunday
18 March 2007
His friends know him simply as 'Shab'. The insurance industry, however, knows him as bad news because 33-year-old Mohammed Shabir Hussain has enjoyed extraordinary success in winning huge compensation payments for victims of car accidents.
Some insurers are now investigating claims submitted by Shabir and his brothers, Mohammed Shokat, 31, and Mohammed Sageer, 30, for clients of the Bradford-based Premier Accident Management, which they have run since 2002.
The three of them were apparently personally involved in 14 car accidents from 1997 to 2001. They made compensation claims on all of them, some for vehicle write-offs. Five of these were probed by fraud investigators working on behalf of insurance companies, but no charges were brought.
more--->>>
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/insurance/car-insurance/article.html?in_article_id=418520&in_page_id=35
at March 19, 2007 11:36 AM
Assalamau Laikum Elric66,
Did I say anything about the West being overthrown? Stop being paranoid!
What I did say was tax and other governence rules are made for fairness related to the majority....after all leaders voted in by the majority will govern and adjust laws accordingly.
If in 50 years the majority of Australia happens to be Islamic in nature (ISAu if you will...not to be confused by your own ISA...), then Sharia Tax laws may become a reality ...drafted in via democracy, by the majority for the majority....I don't see where the question of (the ugly word) overthrow fits in.
As long as it's all peaceful...done via democratic means...it's a fair cop...don't you think.
at March 19, 2007 11:41 AM
Naseem,
Islam isnt democratic, who are you trying to fool?
at March 19, 2007 11:43 AM
Want more? Here's more:
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at March 19, 2007 11:44 AM
Our (yours ours and my) petrodollars at work.
Why do we even allow these pukes to own the oilfields ?
They got to know this question will keep coming up, hence their heavy investment in the West, to control media (Alwalid at Fox), to support vile organizations like CAIR, to pay off presidents with libraries, to fund the whore politicians of the beltway.
islam is an evil ideology. They have much to fear of the West becoming aware and waking up.
Posted by: dgene at March 19, 2007 11:54 AM
I think we will see a huge improvement in our western economies as soon as the islamists are all deported. Right now the gubment, insurance companies among others are perfectly willing to pass the cost on to us. Disgusting, and it will continue until the people cease being silent until they quit behaving like sheep. Because of this type of behavior I see companies cropping up that are islamist free, that will be the selling point, no wasted resources, no more of passing on the costs of doing business with the islamists to the other honest law abiding customers who in good faith do business with them. Im not sure about Australia but in America as a private business owner we have the right to refuse service to anyone.
Posted by: tgusa at March 19, 2007 11:56 AM
Saudi EmbassyWas there a "Third Reich Consulate" in London during WWII? An Imperial Japanese embassy in Washington?
I will know that the Western World is starting to wake up when the bastard scions of the al-Saud family are relocated from their plush appointments in London, in Washington and Paris, when the Saudi government is appended to the Axis of Evil, when it becomes a crime to trade with or to work for these scum.
No sign of it yet. But each of us can make a difference - pester your elected representatives, make a point of sending them material about the hate literature being peddled out of saudi-funded mossks, the ties of saudi princelings to terror financing and support. And for the brits, complain vociferously about the dropping of the SFO enquiry.
Small pebbles sometimes start avalanches.
Posted by: thomas ato at March 19, 2007 12:12 PM
Hey Naseem, turn down the batteries of your dildo while blogging, otherwise the fairy tale incantations of your rambling gets even more overblown.
It must be painful to know what the koran says and still try and paper it over. Democracy is cursed in your mouth.Democracy and islam together is an oxymoron.
Posted by: dgene at March 19, 2007 12:09 PM
I guess she couldnt back up that Islam is compatable with democracy. At least she was smart enough to shut up instead of defending that insane statement.
at March 19, 2007 12:13 PM
Amend our Constitutions. Outlaw Islam. Deport Muslims.
1-2-3.
Posted by: Foehammer at March 19, 2007 12:17 PM
Amend our Constitutions. Outlaw Islam. Deport Muslims.
1-2-3.
Posted by: Foehammer at March 19, 2007 12:17 PM
Dont say that on LGF, that will get you banned.
Posted by: Elric66 at March 19, 2007 12:18 PM
Anyone notice how Naseem's first posting is quite illiterate, while the 2nd one is not? Hmmmm . . .
Also, I Googled Muslim names and found that Naseem only appears under the Male names. Again, Hmmmm . . .
Posted by: igetit at March 19, 2007 12:20 PM
The devil is a liar(father of lies) - BUT, the devil is also known as the accuser. God knows His own, so He does not accuse.
Who wants to be the one who accuses now??
at March 19, 2007 12:21 PM
Anyone notice how Naseem's first posting is quite illiterate, while the 2nd one is not? Hmmmm . . .
Also, I Googled Muslim names and found that Naseem only appears under the Male names. Again, Hmmmm . . .
Posted by: igetit at March 19, 2007 12:20 PM
I always took her as a troll. If she was real, she would defend her statements, not run away.
at March 19, 2007 12:27 PM
@ Elric66: 'Common Sense' gets people banned on LGF? Hmm...I don't feel bad for not remembering my account details there if thats true. That sentiment makes me raise an eyebrow though. True or False?
Good thing I have my own blog. I don't worry about being banned by anyone. I will never be a rambling, nebulous, politically-correct diplomat. We've got too many of those as it is and look at the mess we're in.
Truth is truth. Courage is courage. Right is right.
Posted by: Foehammer at March 19, 2007 12:27 PM
Not even one of the presidential candidates,on either side has even mentioned CAIR,and the ACLU and the fact that these two are the most dangerous organizations currently functioning in the US....except for Michael Savage.
More than 5 million people went on to Savage`s website and voted YES (the question was "should Michael Savage run for president").
Savage is smart enough to realize that he does not have any chances of winning,but what he has in mind is to debate the other empty suits and empty skirts and to show the american people their empty rethoric,lack of principles and hypocrisy.
Savage is the only one who said that if he was in office(any office)the first thing he would do,would be to start investigating these two demonic organizations under the RICO statute.
The 5 + million votes that Savage got, could decide the next election,these are devoted Savage fans and fierce american patriots,and i am proud to say i`m one of them.
at March 19, 2007 12:30 PM
yes Foehammer, they dont like that. I was even called a klansman for it. Its ironic with all the stories about Islam causing problems around the world on the site but yet they dont get it. Its more the posters then Charles though Charles does let the posters run the place. Others say similar things and get a pass.
Posted by: Elric66 at March 19, 2007 12:35 PM
Assalamau Laikum Elric66,
I will pardon your ignorance...but were you to come to Pak sometime for holiday (I could meet you at the airport and show you round) you will find many womens with the name Naseem.
My own full name is Naseemah (and we have had this debate somewhile ago on JW)...but as I was the 1st born and both Ami Jaan and Abu Jan wanted a boy...they simply started to call me Naseem...and it stuck from childhood.
I re-read my 1st post ...and while I use some local lingo...it's not too bad....May allah show you grace by allowing you to understand all that is Islam...
Posted by: Naseem at March 19, 2007 12:39 PM
Naseem, I could care less what your name is. I didnt even mention it, someone else did. I said Islam isnt compatable with democracy. Nice attempt at dodging the issue. Your mullah trained you well.
Posted by: Elric66 at March 19, 2007 12:41 PM
"May allah show you grace by allowing you to understand all that is Islam..."
Stop insulting our collective intelligence. Muhammad was less of a man than I am. I certainly will not believe any of his 'messages'.
Posted by: Foehammer at March 19, 2007 12:43 PM
Forget about it, they have no concept of democracy. As long as it is peaceful, oh brother. Please, do your homework before you start telling us how you will conquer us. They are so ignorant of all the checks and balances in the Constitution that eventually their ignorance will be their undoing.
WOMEN is plural, no S needed! WOMAN=1, WOMEN=2 or more WOMANS
at March 19, 2007 12:47 PM
muslims need to understand the reason the West is not a cesspanpool its because the West people pay their taxes to support their country's infacture.
islam creates poverty, and that is why islam will never succeed. you just have to look at India vs pakistan, the proof is in the pudding.
at March 19, 2007 1:09 PM
The West and Islam have 2 different definitions of succeed. Turing the West into a cesspool is succeeding for ISlam.
Posted by: Elric66 at March 19, 2007 1:13 PM
Kindly stop paying more than amused attention to Naseem. She is allowed to post here merely as an exhibit, nothing more. Don't force me to ban her, simply because some insist on trying to argue with her. Forget it, please. Just observe how her mind works, how she takes in, and what she makes of, the universe.
Posted by: Hugh at March 19, 2007 1:37 PM
Regarding LGF here is a pertinent link,
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=24845_Influencing_the_Views_of_the_Weak-Minded_American&only
Of course they have been doing that here at JW for quite awhile already. I like this part,
“Do not... discuss issues pertaining to Arabs or Muslims at all, whether negatively or positively... because this could be a trap for you... In addition, do not ask people to circulate the material [you have posted] in other forums... as these types of requests will expose you...”
at March 19, 2007 1:42 PM
She is definitely amusing, Hugh. Good advice.
Posted by: igetit at March 19, 2007 1:43 PM
This is way out there.
I have a question which is not related to anything here. But??
Is it possible to go to a website which has been 'set up', and find you are being watched right through your monitor screen?
It happened to me, and also ,just by chance(a miracle), I happened to see an outline of someone watching me.JUST 1 time, about 2 months ago. I was suprised, but the person I saw was even more suprised. How can this be??
at March 19, 2007 1:44 PM
Good advice Hugh. Its easier to understand the enemy when you give them a platform to speak.
Posted by: Elric66 at March 19, 2007 1:46 PM
It can’t, not through a monitor alone, monitors are output devices. I have two question’s. One, do you have a camera hooked up to your system and two, if not have you ever suspected that you might have been abducted by aliens? Haven’t seen you around before eagerbeaver, is this type of question something we can look forward to in the future?
More likely it was your own reflection you saw or a quirk in the software, I doubt it was max headroom.
at March 19, 2007 2:04 PM
Hugh l understand why you allow postings from Naseems. it is strange that she/he is from a part of islam that is not recognized by the rulling sunnis, and not even allowed to bow around the black rock at mecca.
could this be caused by the so called "Stockholm thing?" Naseems is as much a prisoner in islam as other infidels, and yet she/he still trys to believe in it. There must be a threshold of some wisdom that allows some people to see the light and wake up to leave this death cult, and then some people for ever islam's prisoner for life. How can any muslim who profess to be able to read, and follow a mad man like mohummad, who raped, killed and allows such depravity to exist. Cannot muslims even look at other relgions and see their beauty to truth and true peace. it is so sad to see them throw their lot with madman.
at March 19, 2007 2:19 PM
"Tax, itself, is not allowed in Islam. So they (clerics) encourage them that if there's any way that you can dodge paying the tax, then you should do it."
No, but they'll gladly take the welfare benefits other people's taxes are paying for.
Nothing unIslamic about that.
Posted by: rational at March 19, 2007 2:35 PM
This is the reason I always am in a dilema for standing up for the Saudis as they are like the Kennedy family in they do wonderous good.....providing you can overlook the rape, debauchery and murder which some of them partake in.
This is why the Bush family, Reagan and Conservatives like the Saudi's in they have been our staunchest of allies. It was their billions which paid for the overthrow of the Soviet Empire. Pope John Paul provided the Catholic underground and Reagan the muscle and words of liberation.
The Saudis have helped America in so many ways which Americans will never know, because most of it is classified. There is though this strange disconnect like when Louis Freeh wanted to investigate terrorist bombings in Saudi Arabia and Clinton wouldn't raise a finger. Freeh called old man Bush and Bush 41 called the Saudis and in two seconds the FBI was in.
Clinton though was letting in terrorists by the bushel...and I still believe 9 11 was Clinton political operatives who were going to score a big coup in arresting the terrorists, but they lost track of them and that is why 9 11 happened and why a great deal of it made no sense. 9 11 was an OKC rogue FBI operation just like all the policy hits from Waco to Ruby Ridge were with Clinton.
In defending the Saudis, they also have the Kennedy mania where the King in order to keep royal peace allows these factions to fund some of the most malevolent Muslim operations. I have not researched this enough yet, but part of this money might be designed as pay offs to get these imams back under Saudi control as a great part of them are now in the Iranian Islamocommunist camp.
Yes Islam does have political beliefs too.
But it is always disappointing in knowing how much Saudi Arabia has helped America and then to find these horrid things time and again.
Posted by: Lame Cherry at March 19, 2007 2:40 PM
Mr Poskovic warns that community tensions "will escalate to physical violence in the near future" if the Saudi embassy does not stop its "interference" in community affairs.
Slightly off-topic. What really happened in Utrecht? It must have been pretty inflaming based on the media blackout.
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1976
at March 19, 2007 2:43 PM
Regarding Naseem:
Naseem is, more often than not, a useful idiot in that he represents the Islamic mindset, and the inevitable dimentia that accompanies it.
If one would only read Naseem's words, one would understand the value of what he is saying. Naseem is perturbed by the imam's refusal to pay taxes. In Naseem's estimation, this will inevitably lead to a confrontation and subsequent enlightenment of more and more Australian infidels to the reality of the spread of Islamic influence through propogation.
This slow-jihad, although Naseem will simply misrepresent that it is dawah, is essential for Islam's continued success towards world domination. Violent jihad is an effective tool, but it alone will not cause strong countries to collapse, and Naseem knows that well.
Naseem wishes for all Muslims to play the hand they are currently dealt, ultimately teaching the West a most important lesson in demographics. This is the reality of dawa that Naseem speaks about. In societies where the numbers are eventually stacked in Islam's favor, the mass conversion to Islam will begin, for as we all know here, unless one has absolutely nothing of value in life, conversion to Islam would never be an alternative for the sane.
Naseem is just being forthright, in his usual useful idiotic capacity.
Posted by: awake at March 19, 2007 2:52 PM
But it is always disappointing in knowing how much Saudi Arabia has helped America and then to find these horrid things time and again.
it is never disapointed when you understand islam. neve, never trust anything to do with money and islam.
Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at March 19, 2007 2:54 PM
tgusa said: "Haven’t seen you around before eagerbeaver, is this type of question something we can look forward to in the future?"
Me: LOL! We do get some bizarros right here at JW sometimes.
Naseem's muttering...ings are educational. As the ones in the
link to the MEMRI Special Dispatch 1508 via LGF link you posted above.
I hope Robert picks it up and posts it.
I just forwarded it to about 45 people who are still in snooze mode.
Posted by: Malinois at March 19, 2007 3:08 PM
Hugh wrote:
"Here is Saudi Arabia: the most malevolent and dangerous of all Muslim regimes."
Rarely, if ever, have truer words been spoken.
Choose your candidate wisely in 2008. Do not fall into the trappings of voting Democratic or Republican for what their namesake alone supposedly represent. Hugh has ably pointed out the error in this thinking. Currently both sides, the liberals and the conservatives are bereft of intelligent people, nearly all of them are unqualified to lead this country.
As we speak, the ham-hander-in-chief, our current sitting prrsident, is looking for another mistake to make, another in a long line of mistakes already made.
Besides successfully appointing two supposed conservative judges to the Supreme Court, can anyone name a single thing that he has done, in his six plus years in office, that actually helped US interests abroad and/or domestically?
Posted by: awake at March 19, 2007 3:20 PM
Shiva takes down the ceep who smeared me in his paper:
http://illustratedpig.blogspot.com/2007/03/wanker-of-week.html
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at March 19, 2007 3:28 PM
One thing about Naseem to remember. He's a she.
Posted by: Hugh at March 19, 2007 3:36 PM
A Plague... posted:
"The US Feds got Al Capone on income tax evasion. This is how we can take out those on the Saudi payroll from the general population."
Exactly. The IRS should take a look into the Flying Imams. Then when they try to claim that they are only being "picked on" because of their lawsuit against US Airways, The IRS can then say, "Oh, no that's not the reason. We're doing this because of what's happening with that Imam in Australia"
at March 19, 2007 4:37 PM
Off topic
Influencing the Views of the Weak-Minded American from LGF. Very enlightening.
Posted by: Cheeky Human at March 19, 2007 4:45 PM
Do you honestly think that a Muslim man would LIE and say he's a woman? Islam treats women as inferior to men, so why on earth would a Muslim want to be perceived as inferior, when he can stake his claim as a "superior" man?
It doesn't make sense that Naseem would lie about her sex.
Posted by: champ at March 19, 2007 4:51 PM
The fact that the U.S. administration feels obligated to support the Wahabi Dictatorship of Saudi Arabia is at the root of our problems.
I completely agree with Hugh that Jihadi Arabia is the most malevolent of all the Arab shitholes.
Pull out of Iraq and let the Shia get medieval on the Sunni. Inshallah, they deserve it! As degenerate as the Shia is, they have nothing on the head-choppers and hate mongers of Sunni Izlam.
And Mr. Spencer, instead of reminding us infidels over and over that Osama bin Fatwa and co. rely on the foundations of Izlam, properly, to justify Jihad, start referencing Saudi Arabia and remind your listeners over and over and over that the Wahabi dictatorship of Jihadi Arabia the root of Izlamofascism.
Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at March 19, 2007 4:55 PM
"It doesn't make sense that Naseem would lie about her sex."
Posted by: champ at March 19, 2007 04:51 PM
Lots of things Naseem states make no sense. Does it make sense for a woman, any woman, to actually praise the ideology of Islam for the very same reasons that you stated above? No, but it happens nonetheless.
It really doesn't matter anyway Champ. Naseem's gender is not central to the discussion of him/her, and quite frankly, not worth discussing further, for that only provides another opportunity for him/her to post.
Regards,
awake
at March 19, 2007 5:00 PM
From Hugh's posting:
"Saudi Arabia is our mortal enemy. It will always be so."
I must say your brilliant posts are getting better and better. Finally an American admitting what some of us have known for years. Now if you just can get a step further and write that Saudi Arabia is the number 1 enemy of America. Not Russia, not China, not Europe, not the marsians, what some of the paranoid people on this site write, then I'll be really happy. And keep spreading the word all over America.
Posted by: European Crusader at March 19, 2007 5:04 PM
Another good reason to deport all islamics that are not citizens and keep a close eye on the rest in Australia.
Posted by: cobber at March 19, 2007 5:39 PM
"Now if you just can get a step further and write that Saudi Arabia is the number 1 enemy of America. Not Russia, not China, not Europe, not the Martians...."
-- from a posting above
Okay, I'll write it:
Saudi Arabia is the number 1 enemy of America. Not Russia, not China, not Europe [!], not the Martians...
That was easy. I could do that blindfolded. And mean it.
Posted by: Hugh at March 19, 2007 6:04 PM
US Embassy Denies it Requested Female Visa Applicants to Remove Veil
Posted by: ummahnewslinks at March 19, 2007 6:21 PM
One has to kind of chuckle at the likes of NASEEM and the ones like her.I shake my head with a grin because i know islam in reality is surrounded or with only the sea to thier backs.
ISLAM IS SCREWED....LOL
The immigration tactic is fleeting.
The buying of politicians favors is comming to a close.
Don't believe me? You have'nt been watching ,waiting and listening.
Islam has the future equal to that of a shoeshine boy,no offence to shoe shine boys of course.
In battle there is a certain part of the field one can run up on without much of a problem.Then as you advance the field becomes laden with mines and other obstacles and weoponry.Islam has been running on the open field.
The rescources being used in the proxy wars,money and materials by islam will catch up to them.Sure there is always the oil revenue still....isn't there?
Of course the west is using much of it's rescources,it has done this in the past as well.
But it is also nice to point out how humble the "Giants" wishing to rise will become when brought down to thier knees.
Right off the top of my head i can think of Three well placed bombs,not nukes, that could change the minds of the cretons and encourage thier departure from the land of the free and remove thier intentions of mischief in the land.
While Iran may be willing to stake thier entire country for the demise of one little blight on islam i doubt most or the rest are as willing.
Never before have i seen such arrogance in ones own destruction as i have seen in Islam.In a way it's comforting to know that so many are happy to die,it makes one feel as if you do them a favor,and in my opinion it is a favor.
The thing about islam is that the play book is there for all to see.No matter what people say the moves the 'heroes and lions' use are pretty in your face.Take for instance the profiling.It prevents the 'terrorist' from blowing up planes.This is why they are trying to end profiling there have been no more planes used as weopons.This is not to say it won't ever happen again though.
But i think you see where i am comming from.
Also the boots on the ground is a must in almost any war,but i think in fighting an enemy that will use any means necesary at some point the use of air power will leave not much to hide behind.Not to mention the use of unmanned aircraft.
The only chance islam has of saving it's rear end is to play the political game in which we end up like other nations with a large muslim populace that has basicly taken over a city or area and jihads from there,but this is with keeping in mind a gov. that would allow such a thing.At some point there will be a leader thats going to say no way,no more,islam goes.
Anyone that actually thinks we are going to sell our nations soul to the devil for a few bucks or so some politician can live even more comfortable is terribly mistaken.
The free are not like the muslims,our leaders are not 'perfect' ours are corruptable something muslims feel islam is not cappable of,another mistaken thought.
Islam hasn't really taken over any new territory,it fights for new territory or the old territory it once had.It hasn't felt much resistance to it's deeds....yet.The politcal games still go on and the global 'policeing' trying to get the 'leaders' or 'cells'.One day the reality will sink in that the umma,of today that speaks and acts for islam,is the cell,the leader the root cause in whole or largely and the proper precribed antidote to it's poison and lethality inacted.
As i have stated over and over...'There is no fear of islam,islam fears me',and it is right in doing so.because islam has no future.
Islam can and will be defeated,and the one fine day when the cash runs short for the unfedel to pay the ransom to the zombie the zombie surely will feel it.
Islam is surrounded and has only the sea at it's back.
And all that jazz!
Posted by: Dar al-harb at March 19, 2007 6:24 PM
Thank you very much. Hopefully the next US president will realize that as well
Posted by: European Crusader at March 19, 2007 6:27 PM
Islam = Mafia economics + Nazi politics.
Other than that, it's a fine idea.
at March 19, 2007 6:50 PM
This is yet another example if the futility of trying to micromanage Islam. No doubt the Aussie government considers Wahabism more threatening than most strains of Islam, and maybe tax penalties can make a marginal difference, but ultimately the whole of Islamic ideology is threatening. Realizing that might have saved us a lot of trouble in Iraq and Afghanistan.
at March 19, 2007 7:12 PM
SWAT Sheik Swaiti & all others of his ilk-charge them,then deport them from Australia! Agree with very sensible suggestion of Dennisw-publish lists
of Saudi money supporting Mosques,[Western Politicians],Fake NGO's & Charities,Universities etc but extend these lists to ALL countries around the Globe as our 'Friends' the Saudis are instigating Wahhabism worldwide.
As Hugh says-"Saudi Arabia is Malevolent & our Mortal Enemy."
Like the Black Heart of Islam-Mecca & its Black Stones-House of Saud needs to be removed ASAP.
PERMANENTLY.
at March 19, 2007 8:09 PM
Actually it is getting worse!
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21396612-12332,00.html
Saudis on tertiary mission
Verity Edwards
March 17, 2007
THE Saudi Arabian Government has turned to Australia to help educate its tertiary students following difficulties gaining visas for study in the US and Britain.
And the Saudis will target the nation's universities with a $2.7billion scholarship fund.
Saudi Arabian Higher Education Minister Hussein al-Alawi will spend the next week assessing the suitability of Australian universities for Middle Eastern students, travelling to Melbourne, Perth and Adelaide accompanied by education representatives from Oman, the United Arab Emirates and Kuwait.
"Historically, we used to direct our attention to the West mainly, and now I think it's a proper time to direct our attention to the east and southeast," Professor Alawi said. "Our main interest now is to diversify our international and cultural links with different countries."
Professor Alawi said new barriers - established in some countries following the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 - made it "very difficult in getting entry visas to some countries".
"Meanwhile, we were witnessing more flexibility from the Australian Government," he said.
Education Adelaide - which represents Adelaide University, Flinders University, the University of South Australia, Carnegie Mellon and TAFE institutions - is leading the Adelaide leg of the fact-finding mission.
Chief executive Denise von Wald said the delegation was keen to send more students to Australia.
"They understand their relationship with the US and UK is challenging," Ms von Wald said. "For example, it's incredibly difficult for Saudi students to get into the US."
Australia is the third-most popular education destination for Middle Eastern students, and Ms von Wald said the nation's universities were perceived as "quite supportive" and providing a more tolerant environment.
"They want a secure environment for their students, they want their students who are Muslim to continue to live Muslim lives and they can do that in Adelaide," Ms von Wald said.
"We have a reputation for being very tolerant and we have good levels of support" for students from overseas, she said.
at March 19, 2007 8:30 PM
First post here...
Query. Who are the "senior Muslim community leaders" who dropped the dime on the Sheik, and what is their angle in this? Is it not unusual for one Muslim to turn on another brother muslim ( unless of course there is some Sunni v Shia conflict we are not told).
Posted by: Al E. Baba at March 19, 2007 9:07 PM
re the news story from the "Australian" posted by gramfan.
OK...guys, let me share a story. Some years ago someone came from Iran to study in Australia. I won't say where, I won't give the person's gender. But that person had contact with Christians on campus and outside it; that person became curious; that person read the Christian scriptures (very easy to find in Australia, and we can provide them in languages other than English); and that person floored our rector by asking for baptism.
At a church-hosted function in Brisbane I once met someone from the Maldives.
If we ARE going to let Saudi students study in Australia...then let it be made absolutely clear by the Immigration Department, and by our University Chancellors, that Australia's 'tolerance' and definition of academic freedom includes and presupposes tolerance for the public expression and discussion of faiths OTHER than Islam - AND free and open no-holds-barred public questioning and discussion of Islam, its prophet, its teachings and its history - even on our campuses and in our university colleges. These students WILL encounter Jews, Christians, Buddhists and Hindus on campus and off it; and the Christians in particular will be only too happy to answer any and all questions concerning the content of their faith. Anything a nice young Saudi guy or gal has always wondered about Christians - or Jews, or anyone else - and was afraid to ask...roll up and get some answers, in the name of academic freedom. Unless they are prepared to tolerate this atmosphere of freedom they had better not come!
Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at March 19, 2007 9:42 PM
dumbledoresarmy
That is very interesting. And I wish it would be that way. How will it be achieved?
All the universities here are looking for overseas funds and they are not going to care where it comes from.
My fear is that sowdi students will intermarry here, become citizens here, convert their spouses and create well,,you know what!
We all know this has to be stopped but we are stymied everywhere.
Look what happened to our "Sheik" in Cairns!
>>Shiva takes down the ceep who smeared me in his paper:
http://illustratedpig.blogspot.com/2007/03/wanker-of-week.html
Posted by: sheik yer'mami
This part of my post is OT,and directed at Bolt 'blog readers but I feel now that Andrew has jumped off the "muslim" wagon as far as being a sane voice where this country is concerned. Anyone else getting this message?
Al E. Baba welcome!! I don't know the answer to your question. I know there are mainly Turkish and Lebanese here and no idea exactly where they fit re sunni and shia.
at March 19, 2007 10:06 PM
Hey Lame Cherry,
The Saudis our helpful friends ?
Are you tongue in cheek, or have you drunk the kool aid, chewed the ganja weed, and you really are a lame naive person ?
These bastards are our deep and inveterate enemies. They are helping us to hell. The only difference between them and Osama is the issue of who owns and controls the gas station and how soon we are to be throttled.
The entire Royal My Ass Saudi Family deserves our loathing and scorn.
Posted by: dgene at March 19, 2007 11:04 PM
Continuing the discussion re. Saudi students coming to Australia (and this should apply to students from other 'closed' Muslim countries) -
Those of us who are alumni of Australian universities, those who are students, those who are on faculty (or have friends, etc. who are faculty) and those who are connected with on-campus student groups - e.g. Jewish student groups, various Christian groups such as evangelical union, Newman society [Catholics], the Rationalists, whatever - need to be prepared to act to defend the principle of complete religious and academic freedom on-campus - whether in classes or generally. We should warn that a large Muslim presence will lead - probably already HAS led - to attempts to constrain that freedom. Letters to University Chancellors might be in order. Alumni might point out that our contributions to university fundraising will be determined by whether the said university does, in our opinion, come up to scratch as regards academic and religious freedom.
We should stress that we value the fact that on Australian campuses there is a grand old tradition - e.g. in student newspapers and student revues - of taking the mickey out of everyone and that we think this tradition should not make any exceptions for Islam.
Letters to the state and federal Education ministers would be appropriate also.
I'll leave it at that - since I'm a graduate of two Australian universities it looks like I've got a pile of letters to write!
at March 19, 2007 11:30 PM
“Raiding American Forums is Among the Most Important Means of Obtaining Victory in the Fierce Media War... and of Influencing the Views of the Weak-Minded American”
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/
Posted by: QuadoLama at March 19, 2007 11:31 PM
did any of the aussies on here see this from last nights sbs 6:30 news? this transcript taken from their website...
ISLAMIST GROUP A THREAT: THINK TANK
Here, (Australia)a leading think tank is reporting that the Islamic organisation Hizb ut-Tahrir should to be considered a potential threat to Australia. Hizb ut-Tahrir - which translates as the "party of liberation" - operates legally in Australia, and held a conference in Sydney in January. But it's been banned in parts of Europe, as well as in China and Saudi Arabia, and Britain's Prime Minister wants it outlawed there. The group supports the establishment of an Islamic state across the Middle East, including Israel, although it claims to reject the use of terrorist acts to achieve it. But according to the Australian Strategic Policy Institute, Hizb ut-Tahrir encourages political violence and uses Australian tolerance to promote radical preachings. It alleges that the group radicalises individuals and acts as a conveyor belt for terrorist organisations. The report also claims that Hizb ut-Tahrir advocates a revolutionary change in the Australian social and political system, allegations which Hizb ut-Tahrir has rejected. A spokesman for the Attorney-General, Philip Ruddock, told SBS that in regard to Hizb ut-Tahrir, the Government takes the advice of the appropriate authorities and that the group is monitored.
at March 19, 2007 11:33 PM
this is the url:
http://www.worldnewsaustralia.com.au/transcript.php
at March 19, 2007 11:38 PM
"We should stress that we value the fact that on Australian campuses there is a grand old tradition - e.g. in student newspapers and student revues - of taking the mickey out of everyone and that we think this tradition should not make any exceptions for Islam.
Posted by: dumbledoresarmy "
Agree. I wish I was as optimistic as you. Perhaps it is infectious? I wish.
However so many students are lefty loonies, including my nephew who has a PhD.(Lucky I still speak to him,lol!)
Then there are morons like Scott Birchill.
My husband is also a PhD but in his line of work this would be almost impossible.(I won't elaborate).
My experience with many academics is that all they care about is tenure and how many papers they publish which I guess is understandable.
QuadoLama: I saw that. I am sending it around.
frank_incensed : thanks - that was also in the Australian.
I believe we are running out of good, solid journalists. All rather disappointing.
Right now the only two people who are speaking out are Fred Nile and Pauline Hanson! YIKES!
at March 20, 2007 12:02 AM
dumbledoresarmy: also here:
Posted by: Gramfan at March 20, 2007 12:09 AM
AANCC is playing "undercover mosques" this Thursday in Sydney. Also included will be a special short feature entitled "how to submit to Islam" starring Ray Martin and Bob Hawke.
call 0431 739 260 or email aancci@gmail.com to book a seat.
cheers
Darrin.
at March 20, 2007 12:15 AM
Darrin.
You mean to say Keating isn't in it? Didn't he let meat mufti in? And no Malcolm Fraser?
Thanks for that. Are you going? Wonder if any incidents will occur.
Does anyone know if it is still up at youtube?
I seem to have lost the links:(
at March 20, 2007 12:25 AM
G,day
I live in Perth WA there was a recent incident in witch the man (sorry I can’t seem to find his name) that runs most of the Islamic schools over here was under investigation for tax fraud. The police raided his home and most of his schools, the outcome of there finding is still under investigation but I have no doubt he will be guilty. This community leader in typical Muslim reaction, was the government and the police were targeting him simply because he was a Muslim never mind the tax fraud. Another example of why Australia should stop all Muslim immigration they come to our country and only want to better there Muslim communities. STOP MUSLIM IMMIGRATION NOW
at March 20, 2007 12:50 AM
Why on earth are we letting foreign governments pay the salary of people for religious activities. The mind boggles.
As John Howard falters, so it seems our country is now.
Sad....
at March 20, 2007 5:16 AM
Slightly off topic.
I heard that Muslims are not allowed to pay interest and that they get interest free loans for their homes. After having paid enormous sums to my mortgage company for interest I would like to know if anyone knows how that works.
Aunt Bea
PS I'm not going to convert or revert to save interest.
Posted by: auntbea at March 20, 2007 8:58 AM
http://siad.wordpress.com/2007/03/04/demonstration-sep-11th/#comment-661
Answer No 3: The Sovereign Path
Islam is insidious in violating the sovereignty of a nation not only because it puts the state secondary or subservient to a higher law, that is Islam, but it also opens the channel for “Islamic countries” to intervene on behalf of a local minority Muslim population. Building mosques, funded by Arabs, is a demonstrable example. Intervening on behalf of an armed Muslim group fighting its national government is another.
at March 20, 2007 9:13 AM
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