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March 20, 2007

Iraqi jihadists used kids as cover, then killed them

Iraqi "insurgents" commit another act of Islamophobia. "General: Insurgents used kids as cover, then killed them," from CNN, with thanks to CGiddensJr:

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Iraqi insurgents used two children as a cover to get through a checkpoint in Baghdad and then blew up the car while the kids were still inside, a U.S. general said Tuesday.

Two adults jumped from the car, leaving the children in the back. Moments later, the car exploded, witnesses said.

The car went through a checkpoint Sunday and parked by a market across the street from a school, said Maj. Gen. Michael Barbero, deputy director for regional operations in the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

The two children and three bystanders died in the blast, and seven others were hurt, Pentagon officials said.

The attack raises concerns that insurgents are trying a new tactic: using children to throw off troops, Barbero said.

"Children in the back seat lower suspicion. We let it move through," he said.

What do those moms and moms and moms and moms and dads that the President said we're fighting for think of this new tactic?

Posted by Robert at March 20, 2007 7:00 PM
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But if it is Sunni Arabs, and it's just Shi'a Arab children, or even better, Kurdish children, or best of all, Christian or Mandean children -- well, what did you expect?

Possible variant: But if it is Shi'a Arabs, and it's just Sunni...etc. -- well, what did you expect?

Posted by: Hugh [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 20, 2007 7:06 PM

nothing is sacred to these muslim islamist. islam offers no life, but death. naseem you are a coward and a fool to think we infidels would ever allow sharia and islam to take hold.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 20, 2007 7:13 PM

this evil vile filth needs to be eradicated from the earth.......

Posted by: The Texican [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 20, 2007 7:22 PM

This horrific act, along with the numerous incidents of bodies being found with drill holes in their heads and torsos, plus the numerous beheadings done on a daily basis, begs the question: What kind of a sick society exists in Iraq? Do the people that commit these acts have day jobs, families that they go home to at night, and approval from the their friends and neighbors? These actions go way beyond taking a gun, hiding behind a building and shooting at other Iraqis or American soldiers. These are up-close and personal sadistic acts. In other words, what percentage of Iraqis would feel quite comfortable in the same room as monsters such as John Wayne Gacey or Jeffrey Dahmer?

Posted by: maryrose [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 20, 2007 7:22 PM

Although, certain animals do eat their young they can be excused for having neither consciences, nor religions.

Ba'allah must be exceeding pleased that these good Muslims who use children to deceive the unsuspecting.

Lower than animals, these cowards deserve a special place in the flaming cesspool occupied by Ba'allah.

Posted by: BurkasforHitlery [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 20, 2007 7:22 PM

Amend 'exceeding' to 'exceedingly.'

Posted by: BurkasforHitlery [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 20, 2007 7:23 PM


this godless evil vile muslim filth needs to be eradicated from the earth.......

this is children in Europe and America if not stopped.

Posted by: The Texican [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 20, 2007 7:23 PM

These people are so deranged that it wouldn't surprise me if they used thier own or at least some other poor slob of thier sects kids.I mean it is for allah and his will afterall and you can't get more honorable than this in allahs eyes.

You know there are a million things a person could point out that proves islam is not the words of God.This is the only one any sane person should need.

Where are the cries and condemnations over such acts by the human rights groups?

I bet if it were the wests troops that killed them by mistake they would be all over the place ranting and raveing writing reports and wagging the finger.

It is also nice to note one hears not a peep from the islamic dream land (world?)over such atrocities.

If this crap would have happened in the west by some deranged 'group' thier hides would be rounded up and strung up.

Of course there are no worries about our children being targeted for such acts.Forget the fact that the wackos try and or do get the ability to drive bus loads of our kids.But the F.B.I. is on top of such things i'm sure....(gag).

Also you know that italian hostage that was released? Before they even said it i knew he witnessed the assasination of his driver,besides the fact that they would want to instill as much fear in him as they could you could see in his eyes he witnessed something unholy.Just look at the picture of him when he wasn't a hostage and then look at the one the cretons showed of him.Reality hit him in the face like a ton of bricks.

There is no pity from me for muslims none whatsoever.Not even for 'moderates' because islam is a lie from the ground up and the time for distiguishing between the levels of islam grows thinner and thinner and the umma as a whole must pay just like all it's victims.

And all that jazz.

Posted by: Dar al-harb [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 20, 2007 7:29 PM

ZenaWarriorPrincess:
nothing is sacred to these muslim islamist. islam offers no life, but death. naseem you are a coward and a fool to think we infidels would ever allow sharia and islam to take hold.

==

But it will happen if we cannot wake up the liberal elite that rules in most Western countries. Defeat is _INEVITABLE_ if we cannot wake them up to the reality of the threat. The worse thing is if they have partial comprehension of the threat and then seek to "appease" or "bargain" with Muslims. The moment the liberal elite _DO_ fully understand, the tides can be turned. I think it make take the overrunning of one Western country before everyone understands (or even one non-Western country - is anyone aware of just what % Muslims are part of Russia? It is reckoned that they could form over 50% in 30-40 years time. That is because Russian birth are at an all time low. Considering Russia is nuclear and has large oil/gas reserves that is a sobering thought.
See here
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/988723.stm
).

Right now, talking to journalists, anyone in authority is a smart move.

Has anyone here in JW managed to convince a buddy at the local watercooler of the threat?


Posted by: UK Infidel Lover [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 20, 2007 7:31 PM

Of course I would rather it would never occur at all. But if it has to happen - best of all would be if the children are female and Muslim. A few more breeding factories eliminated.

It is also here
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6473359.stm

Posted by: UK Infidel Lover [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 20, 2007 7:38 PM

I know there must be some amount of muslims, moderate,semi moderate or other types that this should shock them into here and now, but i won't hold my breath. The more i see and hear of this death cult, the less and less i'm inclined to look for any good from any muslim that stands by and takes no action to stop the killing . I want my taxes put to good use and keep these animals penned up in their own country .

Posted by: OLD SARGE [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 20, 2007 7:44 PM

Memo to President Bush:

Those vile Iraqi acardias do not deserve a country - put em in a cage; lock the door; abandon the hell they've created and are determined to perpetuate.

Posted by: Malinois [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 20, 2007 7:51 PM

J/W recruiting?
I have people I have enlightened emailing me articles pertaining to the latest islamist shocker, yes shocker, they are in most cases shocked at the particular story. I never let on but I just say to myself, oh that one shocks you? Heck that isn’t even half way to the worst I have seen from the islamists. They always start of with, look what I found, can you believe this? Yes, yes I can without any trouble whatsoever. The thing is the islamists do things that offend, even shock and horrify just about everyone else on Earth. Islam, something for everyone.

Posted by: tgusa [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 20, 2007 7:54 PM


There are no words
to capture the feeling of this evil,
when a mother turns upon her young
and throws her own flesh and blood
into the outstretched arms of hot metal,
into the flaming pit to be burned
as a sacrifice to the baal melech.

This is an abomination upon humanity,
a primitive, profane and perverted act.


Posted by: the poetess [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 20, 2007 8:03 PM

I have to say I wasn't all that surprised at the story. My comments on my outrage wouldn't add anything to what has already been said.

Nobody has commented on the 'moms and moms and moms and moms' bit though, which managed to make me smile even after such a horrific news piece. It is good to see that Spencer can somehow maintain a sense of humor even after so many years of dealing with this garbage.

Of course, if he didn't, he'd probably go insane.

Posted by: Mikhail Danilov [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 20, 2007 8:07 PM

When you deal with Islam you either have to stay super-sane, or go insane. There is nothing in between.

Posted by: Hugh [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 20, 2007 8:13 PM

Periods of history like this, the Mongol slaughter of entire cities in Aryan, Assyrian skinning alive of Israelite captives,the plains Indians rapine and slaugher of Americans, the bayonet toss of babies by Japanese soldiers all point to momentous changes in human history.
Every time that events such as this when savagery replaces barbarism entire civilizations order changes.

If in the case of Americans win, then in the slaughter the remaining conquerred flourish in a generation. If in the case the Assyrian wins, then the Assyrian in a generation is replaced by an even more reaching displacement and slaughter.

The world is at such an advent and weapons of mass destruction will be involved in kicking this loose. It will not stop now until the major powers expend all they have.
It is children today and in the cycles ahead it will be entire cities and nations which will disappear.

Posted by: Lame Cherry [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 20, 2007 8:17 PM

Re: BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Iraqi insurgents used two children as a cover to get through a checkpoint in Baghdad and then blew up the car while the kids were still inside, a U.S. general said Tuesday.

I think I'm going to join Hugh and become an atheist. The whole thing (the killing of the kids)is rationalized by treating this "revealed religion" (Koran crap) as if it is scientific truth. Two kids have been shredded, but, of course, they are martyrs as per the mental illness that underpins this view of life.

Posted by: Frank [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 20, 2007 8:22 PM

Well, it took 3 attempts at sending an email to Bush, but I finally pared it down to a size the White House server would accept:

Dear President Bush:

CNN reports:
BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Iraqi insurgents used two children as a cover to get through a checkpoint in Baghdad and then blew up the car while the kids were still inside, a U.S. general said Tuesday.

President Bush - Those vile Iraqi acardias do not deserve a country. It's time to close & lock the cage door and abandon the hell they've created and are determined to perpetuate. Why? Because that's the nature of Sunni and Shia muslims and their Prophet Muhammad.

And I'll close with this prayer for you:

May God, Our heavenly Father, who has blessed us and given us
dominion over all the earth, give you new insight into your purposes for the people of America;
and a new wisdom and determination in making provisions for its future in accordance with His will;
through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Posted by: Malinois [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 20, 2007 8:49 PM

Naturally, CAIR condemns this sort of behavior.

What, they're more worked up about legitimate criticism of Islam?

Oh well, I guess the bright side is that the two toddlers get to be shahids, what with the 72 virgins and honeyed figs and all.

Posted by: Greek Fire [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 20, 2007 9:03 PM

Mom had no choise in the matter. Mom has no say in the matter. The fact that her Husband or the rest of the Family would be killed carried more weight.

That is why the Children always come up to our Troops. They know we won't harm them. Unlike their Parents.

We can break the chain of Islamic violence if were willing to show the Children a better life, while liberating the Women from their Bondage.

Of course, arround here, the conventional wisdom is to just encourage the men to kill each other. Something that will do nothing to liberate women and will certainly show children nothing but the worst that life has to offer.

Just like it is in Palestine.

Posted by: flowerknife_us [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 20, 2007 9:26 PM

What kind of mother would gladly send their child off to die? Any mother that has lived under islam.

Posted by: Hillbilly [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 20, 2007 9:34 PM

Why do I not hear any condemnation of this atrocity from Spencer's presumed "peaceful muslims?"

What is Al Jazz saying about this?

You wonder why Old Testament Jews killed some of the Canaanites?

Because of actions similar to this one where a group of satanic worshipers offers children as a sacrafice to their devil -- allah -- in this case.

Posted by: witness [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 20, 2007 9:34 PM

UK Infidel Lover,

I've tried ... at the water cooler, at home, at other hangouts ...

Such a state of ignorance, denial.

Sad.

Posted by: LoneRanger [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 20, 2007 10:00 PM

I think I'm going to join Hugh and become an atheist.
Frank, l believe that our creator have given us free will, and good or bad it is our choice. God does not create the bad or good, but our free choice. you do not have to be an etheist to think our humanity cannot be improved. Is man so vain to think all this came about from nothingness? We have been given free choice, and humans eventually strive for freedom and that is why islam will not survive, the question is how to do we prevent a greater carnage than the last world war?

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 20, 2007 10:11 PM

My god. After reading this story right the story of the Taleban decapitating the Italian journalist's Afghani driver, I'm sufficiently horrified for the night. I've only been reading JihadWatch for about a month or so, but that's been enough time for me to think that there's nothing else these people could do that could shock me--and I'm consistently proven wrong with each outrageous act of barbarism.

I've been a proponent of trying to bring stability to Iraq, but enough is enough. We might as well just bring the troops home and let these beasts destroy each other. We can never be diplomatic with a group of people who would used children as human shields and then blow them up immediately afterwards. Sick, sick, sick.

Posted by: staff_of_magius [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 20, 2007 10:21 PM

PEACEFUL MUSLIMS?

I think Spencer uses the term "peaceful Muslims" to disarm his critics, to throw them off. They expect total anti Muslim hatred to which they can than respond with the usual charges of bigot, hate mongerer, racist, islamaphobe, etc.
In a way Spencer is correct you can be peaceful while you support terror in other ways such as moral and financial. You can also be peaceful 99% of the time but violent 1%. Just remember that even the worst of the Nazis were peaceful 99% of the time. Most of the Germans were peaceful, Osama is pretty peaceful, Jeffrey dahmer was peaceful most of the time, and john gacy was also peaceful most waking moments. Being peaceful really doesn't mean much.

Posted by: desidude [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 20, 2007 10:42 PM

What do you expect when brown-skinned third world noble savages are deprived of their humanity by Imperialist Zionists occupiers? Wouldn’t you murder your own children if faced with the same situation? To me this travesty simply demonstrates the villainy and racism of the Bush administration.

Just ask this guy at the SF protest the other day. Zombietime took a photo of him and put it on his page here. He is in the 4th picture down, wearing that stylish straw Panama hat. He sums up the whole thing quite brilliantly.

Posted by: Jimmy the Dhimmi [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 20, 2007 10:55 PM

staff_of_magius:

Welcome to JW.

If you've only been reading JW for a month, you haven't even scratched the surface when it comes to learning the horrible ugliness that is Islam. Virtually every aspect of Islam is ugly and vile. Sure, some aspects of Islam superficially look good, but beneath that veneer it is rotten to the core.

Also understand that Islam is more than just a religion, it is also an aggressive expansionist political ideology. Understanding that Islam is also a political ideology is necessary to fully appreciate the threat that Islam presents to the world.

Posted by: Bad_Attitude_Infidel [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 20, 2007 10:57 PM

Everyone should try to get this particular story to the FBI, since you will probably not see it anywhere in the MSM. Send it to the FBI, in response to their audacious statement that parents have nothing to fear from the reality of Islamic "extremists" applying for school bus jobs in the US.

These people carelessly throw away the lives of their own at the drop of a hat. One had better be damn sure of the fact that they will go out of their way to take the lives of our infidel children, carefully and calculatingly.

Choose your candidates wisely in 2008.

Posted by: awake [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 20, 2007 11:04 PM

Hitler was peaceful too; so was Stalin; so was Mao; as was Pol Pot come to think of it.

And I found this interesting too.

I think I'm going to join Hugh and become an atheist.

One has to start here.

Frank, l believe that our creator have given us free will, and good or bad it is our choice.

So if there is no objective standard then all things are merely relative -- so we shouldn't be upset when kids are murdered. Maybe someone else decided it was "good" but is it just because they say so?

God does not create the bad or good, but our free choice.

So if God doesn't bother to create bad or good, why should God create free will?

you do not have to be an etheist to think our humanity cannot be improved. Is man so vain to think all this came about from nothingness?

If you are an atheist; yes. What other alternative is there?

We have been given free choice,

By whom?


...and humans eventually strive for freedom and that is why islam will not survive, the question is how to do we prevent a greater carnage than the last world war?

If there is no God and no object truth, nor any objective standard of good and evil -- then it doesn't matter if we prevent carnage at all.

On the other hand if you consider quantum physics and realize that atoms for each element are older than our solar system and are themselves highly organized you start to wonder about how evolution can account for them.

As an atheist, you must believe in evolution and accept that there is no organization nor reason for anything to come into being but through random chance.

But how does the organization of atomic structure come to be before we exist?

Why should things like elements have their own unique spectrum lines for instance?

Why shouldn't electron waves cancel themselves out instead of being in specific energy levels as they are where they can exist?

How can electon waves (or photons for that matter) propogate when there is no medium for transporting it (electrons are much smaller than air molecules after all)

Why should such things be if the cosmos is but haphazard accidents with no pattern or point of creation?

So many things you must ignore to be an atheist and the requirement of this faith defies reason.

Is there a God with an objective moral code?

If not, why do we condem the murder of innocence and by what right can such acts be called evil? Evil by whose standards?

Posted by: witness [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 20, 2007 11:16 PM

Just as ruthless as Beslan... Just goes to show you how cowardice they are...

Posted by: The Resistance [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 20, 2007 11:27 PM

I posted this several times over at the Angry Arab site and got little reaction except from one poster who said something to the effect that I should be concerned about the IDF using Palestinian children as human shields.

All that convinced me that none of the Muslims there care about children as much as they "resistance."

Posted by: Socialpath [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 20, 2007 11:29 PM

I think that if it weren't for oil-in-the-region and our dependence on it, as well as our devotion to Israel of religious reasons, we'd be more than willing to walk away from Babylon-the-wretched, not to mention the outskirts of Hell (Afghanistan and Saudi) and just let the ravenous wolves devour one another.
It seems evident to me that any so-called humanitarian purpose in this region is entirely in vain.
And I'll remember this episode of children-as-shields the next time I hear some dimwitted Saracenette waxing on about how Islam is so liberating and respectful towards women. Yeeeech!

Posted by: Sansantiago [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 20, 2007 11:38 PM


I'm glad GOD doesn't see death the way we do.
I believe children under the age of 13 just go to heaven.
this is too close in timing, with the news about extremists driving buses.

to tgusa:
My computer does have a webcam attached to it, but I never use it.The size of the 'window' was about 2"by3".
AND YES you can expect more like this from me.
For instance
After 'holy warrior' got her 'horse' shot out from her,she crashed. So she walked into the hospital and there began licking her wounds.
Holy warrior walked into the hospital and 'eagerbeaver'walked out.
Go figure!

Posted by: eagerbeaver [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 20, 2007 11:49 PM

An American Beslan
http://ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=259283226465864

Will our government stop them before they kill a bunch of our children?

Posted by: interestinconundrum [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 21, 2007 12:34 AM

From my link:
Are we witnessing with Muslim men trying to obtain bus licenses what some alert (but ignored) agents witnessed before 9/11 when they noticed a number of Muslim men training to obtain pilot's licenses? Are schools and children the target of the next wave of terror attacks?

Posted by: interestinconundrum [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 21, 2007 12:36 AM

Well well, where are our muslim trolls?
Anyone care to tell us "this is not islam"?
Remember, the only "innocents" are muslim.
Evidently these unfortunate kids were the wrong brand of belief.

Posted by: interestinconundrum [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 21, 2007 12:58 AM

People kill one another when they feel they have no choice-- desperation, self defence-- or when they have been conscripted and are called to fight. Then there's hot-blooded murder. And cold-blooded murder. Such "expressions of humanity" are within our field of expectations: one can construct an argument to justify them on some level.

Destroying the lives of children, drilling holes, terror beheading: these are outside our field of expectations because they are not justifiable under any circumstances. This is also where the line is crossed between reluctance of duty or loss of control and sadistic, grinning death lust.

That a whole religion-cult regularly calls for and celebrates these atrocities tells us that we must never let down our guard or awareness at any time. Slowly we are realizing this but many still need convincing. Let this, and let us, convince them.

Posted by: lycaste [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 21, 2007 1:11 AM

:(

Posted by: champ [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 21, 2007 1:29 AM

>Has anyone here in JW managed to convince a
buddy at the local watercooler of the threat?

Posted by: UK Infidel Lover

YES I HAVE. I have composed a 2 sided "leaflet" titled “3 Questions for Infidels”. It asks: “Why do they hate us?” “Why are terrorists killing innocents in the name of Allah?” followed by a brief introduction, then 19 selected verses from the Koran. Sample verse:

KILL, SEIZE, BESIEGE ‘TILL THEY ALL CONVERT
9:5 “And when the sacred months are passed,
kill those who join other gods with God
wherever ye find them; and seize them,
besiege them, and lay wait for them with
every kind of ambush: but if they shall
convert, and observe prayer, and pay the
obligatory alms, then let them go their
way.”

Final question: "Have the Islamic terrorists radicalized Islam - or is it the other way around?"

It is easy to pass to a casual acquaintance or friend after a brief conversation.
Non-threatening and they can read it in private at their leisure. I have included “ see jihadwatch.org” at the bottom with Roberts’s permission.

Spreading the word of Allah, one Infidel at a time.

Posted by: Davegreybeard [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 21, 2007 2:04 AM


Don't these people understand that this is precisely the kind of thing that the American people go completely ape-shit over?

Are they this stupid?

It makes me wonder if there isn't some kind of crazy reality to conspiracy theories. I mean, it is truly difficult to believe that anyone would actually do this. It must be some kind of trick, some kind of conspiracy fake.

No one could be this stupid!

Blow up children in a car after running away?

Wait til my liberal sister hears about this, she might stop being anti-war.

Posted by: Kay [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 21, 2007 2:19 AM

Remember Sting's song about the Russians loving their children too?

Sadly, those people think that by murdering their children they showed their love for them. There is no way to reasonably act towards such a vile view towards Natural Law.

Posted by: Avoiceofreason [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 21, 2007 2:20 AM

Frank and Hugh, how could you guys possibly be atheists? Especially in today's world. The Old Testament is full of God's wrath for this sort of thing. This is the basis (child sacrifice) of much of the fire and brimstone messages for the Israelites of that time. Woe be to those who put their children through the fire... woe indeed. A more "woe"ful place I cannot imagine... and in Babylon of all places, in the heart of Islam of all places, imagine that!

Posted by: Kay [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 21, 2007 2:31 AM

whitness;
I hope others read your post with thought, very well said. If god never is, then what matters how or why all this is happening? Without faith, we look forward to a box and nothing more. It matters not how or why one gets there.

Islam is the enemy to mankind.

Posted by: Islofob IS-1 [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 21, 2007 2:32 AM

Christianity is not the answer to Islam.

Reason is. Both religions can show an extraordinary lack of it.

I certainly prefer Christianity over Islam though. James Dobson may be a total nutcase, but at least he isn't murdering children.

Posted by: Mikhail Danilov [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 21, 2007 3:03 AM

Explanation of Islam's origins by David Pawson in his book "the challenge of Islam to Christians"

Satanic imitation

This possibility comes to mind when the "natural" explanation appears inadequate. The amazing stranglehold it has on over a billion people today, to say nothing of millions of others over the last fourteen centuries, points to more power and authority than could be exercised by a single individual who died so long ago. It is not hard to see an "unearthly" force behind it.
There is the unusual physical state in which muhammad recieved his revelations, not unlike a trance or a seizure. When this first happend, he thought the evil spirits or jinns were taking possesion of him, but his older wife convinced him it was god. We know that behind pagan worship of idols are demons (cornthians 10:20). While Mohammad destroyed all 360 idols in Mecca, he kept some things associated with them, such as the Ka'aba with its sacred black stone, probably a meterorite, and still revered. The name "allah" came out of this pantheon and his fathers name, Abdullah (servant of allah) confirms this. At one stage he seemed to make a concession to the polytheism of Mecca by including a revelation about three daughters of the male moon-god and female sun god, two of whom bore names compounded from "allah". He later repented this, acknowleged that the devil had deceived him and this was excuded from the final collection (these were the 'satanic verses' that Salman Rushdie drew attention, attracting a death sentance, a fatwa for his blasphemy).

Islam has suceeded only too well in diverting interest from the God of the bible to the Allah of the Quran, from Jesus to Mohammad and above all, from salvation through faith to salvation by works. The overall impression is that Islam has superseded Christianity and Judaism, rendering both obsolete. It appears to be a brilliant diversionary tactic.


Keep an eye on world events, and the things justified in the name of Islam and hopefully you to will see this is not just a battle of hearts and minds.

Posted by: strings [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 21, 2007 5:04 AM

ZenaWarriorPrincess-

Your comment noted. I too find it improbable that the Universe, or the laws of the Universe, are an accident. However, I have reservations re "revealed religion". The history of mankind is one long record of the conquest, the subduing, and often the extermination (Arabs in India, Spaniards in the New World, etc.) of some lately "indigenous people" and "religion"-ideology are the rationalizations to that end. Though I have faith in Almighty God, I believe He desires us to be skeptical in this world.

Why is it that God always ends up talking to one guy who has to tell us what God "revealed" to him? Why wouldn't God get on the Internet and tell everybody clearly what He desires? That would be "revelation". Instead, we get someone like Muhammad preaching just another supremacist rationalization for conquest, for subduing, for extermination of "the other" (as Waffa S. has put it).

I can understand how people born into this "religion" can be placed on the nut shelf, but it amazes me (pig-eyed Gaultier Ibby, Cat Stephens, e.g.) how some choose to put themselves on the nut shelf (probably Jew-hating is one factor), in the pantry, away from real life. But as you say, and I think you are right, we make our choices.

Posted by: Frank [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 21, 2007 6:58 AM

Jimmy the Dhimmi: Your link to the pix of the protesters was priceless. While this ole Puritan harumphed a bit at the skinny young exhibitionist with the bumper sticker over her mammary glands, I had a good laugh at the bearded, leftover hippie who was lugging the sign referring to his ovaries.

Frank, I won't become an atheist. I believe firmly that there is a Hell to which the perpetrators of child-occupied car bombs are bound--where their worm does not die nor is their fire conumed. But before then, I hope someone shoves a mike in Michael Moore' fat, bearded, pizza puss, describes the crime, and asks him if he still dignifies such scum with the the titels "resistence" and "freedom fighters". For my own money, these goons and their masterminds give special renditions, Gitmo, and other such things a good name.

Witness, I couldn't agree more.

Posted by: Kepha [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 21, 2007 7:10 AM

Zena-Maybe the Cat will jump off his 30 year shelf and join the living in the real world...


Now I've been happy lately,
thinking about jumping from the shelf
And I believe it could be,
something good has begun

Oh I've been smiling lately,
dreaming about the real world
And I believe it could be,
some day it's going to come

Cause out on the edge of darkness,
there rides a Realty train
Oh Reality train take this cat on the shelf,
come take me home again

Now I've been smiling lately,
thinking about the good things to come
And I believe it could be,
something good has begun

Oh Reality train sounding louder
Glide on the Reality train
Come on now Reality train
Yes, Reality train holy roller

Everyone jump upon the Reality train
Come on now Reality train

Get your bags together,
go bring your good friends too
Cause it's getting nearer,
it soon will be with you

Now come and join the living,
it's not so far from you
And it's getting nearer,
soon it will all be true

Now I've been crying lately,
thinking about 30 years on the shelf
Why must we go on hating,
why can't we live and let live

Cause out on the edge of darkness,
there rides a Reality train
Oh Reality train take this Shelf-Cat,
come take me home again

Posted by: Frank [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 21, 2007 9:14 AM

I'd like to send Rosie O'Donnell a link to this article and the CNN report but unfortunately no email address is provided for her at The View homepage.

She needs to know about this so that she can think about terrorists being 'moms and dads like us'.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 21, 2007 10:00 AM

Holybeaver,
Got banned huh? That happens occasionally as you can see by some posters here with their use of suchandsuch1 or 2 and so on. I think to some it is a badge of honor. I prefer to carefully craft any insults that I post so as to avoid becoming a victim of my own hot headedness.

Posted by: tgusa [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 21, 2007 10:22 AM

This is just more proof that Islam was crafted by Satan to get revenge on Jesus for being rebuked by Jesus. Islam is pure evil. It is a deception. It is a death cult determined to bring about the Apocalypse. How can anyone honestly believe that a just God would condone this type of act. I thought Islam was supposed to condemn the killing of innocents? Just another example of hypocrisy.

Posted by: Koolaid_Killsus [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 21, 2007 10:43 AM

Re: the "answer" tools displaying their stupidity and their hatred in SF; wish I had the power to give them all a one-way ticket to saudi arabia to live out their fantasies there.

Posted by: Infidel33 [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 21, 2007 10:47 AM

I found that the MSM and a lot of bloggers see this as a new tactic, that could not be further from the truth. Hezbollah and Hamas have used children against Israel for years. I find most people do not like when I say that this is not something that can be beaten it must be destroyed. I find it to be on par with child predators they never stop and neither will this enemy. The hearts and minds bullcrap is the stuff that will get us killed for sure.

Posted by: Erin Bizon [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 21, 2007 11:06 AM

Witness,

Are you a coon under the pelt?

Malinois

Posted by: Malinois [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 21, 2007 12:13 PM

Witness,

Are you a coon under the pelt?

Malinois


Coon?

Under the pelt??

If you are asking me if I wrote, read, or know about the book that you linked to -- no, sorry to disappoint you.

Posted by: witness [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 21, 2007 3:52 PM

Thanks for the welcome, Bad_Attitude_Infidel. I've already learned quite a bit just after a month here, from Robert and the many intelligent posters here, and I'm looking forward to continuing to do so. It was very comforting to find a place online with so many people who feel the same way I do about Islam and can see the threat that it poses to the world.

Posted by: staff_of_magius [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 22, 2007 1:00 AM
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