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Mutilation of corpses is forbidden in Islam, except when it isn't. At the time of the Fallujah incidents some Islamic authorities justified the practice on Islamic grounds.
"Bodies dragged, burned as Mogadishu battles rage," from Reuters, with thanks to Greg:
MOGADISHU, Somalia (Reuters) -- Somali insurgents dragged soldiers' bodies through the streets of Mogadishu before burning them on Wednesday in heavy fighting that killed at least 13 people and injured scores more, witnesses said.The corpses of five soldiers -- either from the Somali government army or their Ethiopian allies -- were desecrated during some of the worst clashes in the lawless capital since the interim government took over in December, witnesses said.
In one place, men dragged two semi-naked corpses by the feet while members of a crowd chanting "God is Great" kicked and pelted them with stones, a Reuters reporter said.
Posted by Robert at March 21, 2007 12:45 PM
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This is par for the course. This is the course.
Posted by: Hugh
at March 21, 2007 12:50 PM
News flash western forces drag and mutilate dead Islamic soldiers through street, all while shouting God is great. Pure fiction of course, but if this ever happened we would see riots like never seen before, by our own people.
Jump to Islamic Somalia, you have reverence for the same heinous act.
How do people in the west allow themselves to be fooled into thinking Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance, I'll never understand this?
Posted by: The fanatic
at March 21, 2007 1:01 PM
I reckon they got what they deserve. You cannot go into somebody else's country by force at the behest of a few traitors and expect to be treated with dignity.
Posted by: Abu Jihad
at March 21, 2007 1:02 PM
Offcourse it is haram to disrespect dead bodies but it is the only weapon available in our arsenal against the ethiopians who have been armed to the teeth by the USA.....Allah knows best
at March 21, 2007 1:05 PM
I reckon they got what they deserveHeads up people - it's a moderate mooselimb! Posted by: thomas ato
at March 21, 2007 1:17 PM
I reckon they got what they deserve. You cannot go into somebody else's country by force at the behest of a few traitors and expect to be treated with dignity.
Posted by: Abu Jihad
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Really? Deserve eh? you must be Muslim to see mutilation and barbarity such as that as Just or Pious behaviour.
Big suprise
After all it's exactly what MO ( Peace be opon him...LOL) would do and expect his Minions to do.
Posted by: MoBlows
at March 21, 2007 1:17 PM
CAIR where is your news dispatch on the position of American Muslims in what happened in Somalia again?
Why are you silent CAIR? What does the Koran state about descrating the dead and pelting them with stones as invoking God's Name?
CAIR is not God's Name Holy, so why is it you are not explaining how dragging dead bodies around and invoking His Name is kosher or sacred, using Jewish and Christian terms as one never sees these religions behaving this way.
Please CAIR explain all of these things how you are silent as Muslims. What beats inside your belief in your hearts.
Posted by: Lame Cherry
at March 21, 2007 1:22 PM
but it is the only weapon available in our arsenal
AND, exactly how is despoiling corpses a "weapon" of defence, even if the rest of the spurious argumentation held up.
Disgusting.
Posted by: thomas ato
at March 21, 2007 1:22 PM
At least Abu Jihad is consistent with the Islamic tradtion of revising history to suit Islam.
It is as if we are to believe that Somalia was peacefully run by the Islamic courts for years, and not by a military takeover less than a year ago.
Father Jihad wrote:
"Offcourse it is haram to disrespect dead bodies but it is the only weapon available in our arsenal against the ethiopians who have been armed to the teeth by the USA"
Dead men tell no tales, nor do they continue to fight, last time I checked. The "but" in your statement is indicative of the entire Islamic ideology. There is always a loophole. It states to me clearly that things like respect for the dead are waaaay down on the totem pole as compared with the mandate for jihad against unbelievers.
May God have mercy on your soul, and others of your ilk, when this reality becomes mainstream thought in the USA.
Posted by: awake
at March 21, 2007 1:24 PM
Armed to the teeth by America huh?
Ground Equipment
Tanks: 170 T-54/55, 50 T-62, 50 T-72.[20]
IFV/APCs: 25 BMP-1, 110 M113, 10 BTR-152, 14 BTR-60.
Reconnaissance vehicles: 250 BRDM-2.
Artillery: 5 2S1(M1974), 17 M109.
Aircraft
Helicopters: 8 Mi-6 (Hook), 14 Mi-14 (Haze), 14 Mi-17 (Hip), 5 Mi-24 (Hind), 3 SA 316 Alouette III, 4 SA 330 Puma.
Fighter aircraft: 21 MiG-21 (Fishbed), 12 Su-27 (Flanker)[20].
Ground attack Aircraft: 20 (12?) MiG-23BN (Flogger)[20], 4 Su-25 (Frogfoot).
Cargo aircraft:An-2 kukuruznik (Colt), An-12 (Cub), An-26 (Curl), An-32 (Cline), 3 C-130 Hercules.
Trainer aircraft: 5 SF.260TP, 14 L-39 Albatros.
Weapons
Assault Rifles: AK-47.
Anti-tank missiles: 22 M220 BGM-71 TOW.
Air-to-air missiles:10 R-73 (AA-11 Archer), R-27 (AA-10 Alamo)
Looks to me that most of this equipment comes from Russia and former Eastern Bloc nations.
Dont let the facts get in your way though
at March 21, 2007 1:27 PM
I wonder if the Ethiopians are burning the corpses of the islamists they send on their way? If you think about it as a health hazard it seems to be the only sanitary thing to do.
We all know that God is invoked with any and every islamist action, so nothing is really haram is it?
at March 21, 2007 1:33 PM
of course when muslims do unislamic attocities against people, the moderate muslims just shrug and say, who are we to puish them? "allah will punish them". simple as that.
at March 21, 2007 1:34 PM
Qur’an:9:123 “Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find HARSHNESS in you.”
Mission accomplished!
Posted by: MoBlows
at March 21, 2007 1:38 PM
Now, back to my usual complaint.
Here is the complaint/correction form at CNN. Can I implore people to politely inform CNN that AllahuAkhbar does not translate as "God is Great"?
Posted by: thomas ato
at March 21, 2007 1:47 PM
We saw images like this in "Blackhawk Down" and the news footage from Somalia,we saw the same atrocities on a bridge in Fallujah. This ugly disrespect for the dead has been seen time and time again. Torture seems almost commonplace when it comes to Muslim radicals.
But then the Muslim poster above simply says that "allah knows best" and if that is a true and noble argument for the true workings of Islam who ignore any decencies towards non-Muslims or even Muslims that they disagree with, then it should remind us of how important it is to defend our principals as opposed to theres of which inhuman ugliness is demonstrated on a daily basis throughout the world.
Why do we never appear to see the left in America condemning these atrocities? Instead they condemn Abu Ghraib, and Guantanamo as places that atrocities are committed in, never mind that in Guantanamo they have Halal food, their prayer rugs,Qurans, pray 5 times a day to Mecca, and have excellent medical care and yet somehow America is the real bad guy . The left that has decided that Western nations are responsible or somehow caused these atrocities to occur.
Now we have Dinesh D'Sousa buying into that argument hook, line, and sinker to some degree which only goes to further the looney lefts raging guilt that they really feel about themselves as not being worthy of being part of a free society. Your right! it doesn't really make any sense does it. It is as if they felt guilty because their free society allows them to rage with hate against the institutions of the established foundations of western governments that give them these freedoms and yet somehow they are not willing to defend them.
Would they feel more comfortable under Islamic Sharia law , actually most of them wouldn't even know or bother to find out what it is.
Posted by: Mackie
at March 21, 2007 1:48 PM
You cannot go into somebody else's country by force at the behest of a few traitors and expect to be treated with dignity.
The decent way to do these things is to go into somebody else’s country by taking advantage of generous immigration and social welfare programs. Once a population of 1% is achieved, it is a socially accepted practice to start complaining about checking out bacon while working in a grocery store. Regardless of what anyone says, it is absolutely uncouth to call for the death of your adopted country until a population level of 3% is achieved.
Gang rape and random shooting of Jewish girls is OK but sustained, organized violence is absolutely not cool until a population level of 10% is achieved. Latitude is allowed between 10% and 33% because things get dangerous when the you really piss people off but don’t have the strength to really go on a general offensive.
You can breath easier when the 33% level is achieved…and Allah knows best:
8:66 Now hath Allah lightened your burden, for He knoweth that there is weakness in you. So if there be of you a steadfast hundred they shall overcome two hundred, and if there be of you a thousand (steadfast) they shall overcome two thousand by permission of Allah. Allah is with the steadfast.
And then things get much more fun when the rocks start talking to you. Then, and only then, can you use force. You don't need to lead the women and childen by much, most are pretty slow. And finally people start giving you the respect and dignity that is so deeply earned. Respect me, dammit. I'm dignified.
at March 21, 2007 1:51 PM
Can I implore people to politely inform CNN that AllahuAkhbar does not translate as "God is Great"?
Posted by: Greg Z
at March 21, 2007 2:00 PM
This cult needs to be labeled for what it is...so that free countries can get real and stop letting these cult members migrate to their country.
Koran is pretty black and white....yet people don't seem to care just because they think allah humarwhatever seems like a nice guy.
We all should be shunning this cult and it's members...period.
Posted by: Highrise
at March 21, 2007 2:14 PM
Islam is not Monotheistic! It is Henotheistic!
allah akbar means "Allah is greater"
..you know "greater than your God."
Na-na-na-na-na!
My daddy's bigger than your daddy!
hen·o·the·ism
. the worship of a particular god, as by a family or tribe, without disbelieving in the existence of others.
2. ascription of supreme divine attributes to whichever one of several gods is addressed at the time.
at March 21, 2007 2:16 PM
Hilarious but typical Islamic commentary above, "I reckon they got what they deserve. You cannot go into somebody else's country by force at the behest of a few traitors and expect to be treated with dignity." And "Armed to the teeth by America".
You don't seem to have a problem with the strangulation Ethiopia is experiencing as a result of Islamic aggression, ie: the diverting the Nile by Sudan to cut off Ethiopia's fresh water supply. You don't have a problem with Islamic barbarity inside Christian Ethiopia, but only see everyone who fights back as aggressors.
Also the weaponry that Ethiopia is using, if in fact is Russian should be further proof of Russia actually having a plan against this culture of death as opposed to the schizophrenic policies shown by the US.
Posted by: The fanatic
at March 21, 2007 2:35 PM
Interesting that this religion is the self-appointed completion of Judaism and Christianity. I'm pretty sure that a dude Muslims consider a prophet said something along the lines of "let he without sin cast the first stone." It just seems odd that the self-appointed completion of Christianity would include destroying the most basic concepts.
Posted by: sh217
at March 21, 2007 2:40 PM
@sh217
the "dude" Muslims consider a prophet was in fact a pretender who tried to steal the mantel of Jesus Christ. Where Jesus said, "Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone," Muhammad said, "Bring the bitch to me and let me stone her myself. And the same goes for anyone who defends themselves against my insults, my curses and my threats. I am the No. 1 Gangsta and the Earth is my Turf."
It's called blasphemy.
Here's a particulary egregious example of the Islamic plot to plunder the messianic message of Jesus:
From the Sira, DIRECT and UNADULTERATED:
The apostle of Allah was born on a Monday, on the thirteenth (lay of the month of Rabi in the year of the Elephant [c‑ 570]* At the time of the apostle’s birth a Jew standing on the flat roof of a house in Medina called forth the Jewish people and when they assembled around him, saying, ‘Woe to you. What is the matter?’ he told them ‘This night the star has risen, under which the apostle is born.’
Posted by: Ynkedoodl2
at March 21, 2007 2:49 PM
Looks to me that most of this equipment comes from Russia and former Eastern Bloc nations.
Dont let the facts get in your way though
Posted by: havekoranwilltravel
Well put.
I am reading Kenneth Timmerman's Preachers of Hate: Islam and the War Against America and this kind of thinking demonstrates what we are up against, a generations old indoctrination that the U.S. and Jews are to blame for everything in the middle east and muslim world.
Where are our official policies to stop these kinds of false teachings? When will we elect leadership smart enough to cut off the aid/jizya/bribes we pay to Muslim nations? Until this rubbish is stopped and of course, monitored and certified as having stopped islam will just be mass producing more Jihadists.
at March 21, 2007 2:56 PM
What those jihadists in mogadishu need is a special delivery in the form of the MOAB
Posted by: callmeinfidel
at March 21, 2007 2:56 PM
"Folks, how many of you believe it's getting to the time when it's 1) Us or 2) Them?
Raise your hands."
Amen to that. Anybody wanna bet it's gonna be a long violent summer in Eurabia?
Posted by: Socialpath
at March 21, 2007 2:59 PM
Ynkedoodl2,
There is a reason I am referring to it as the "self-appointed completion" instead of the often used "monotheistic," "abrahamic," and "sister," faith.
Posted by: sh217
at March 21, 2007 3:15 PM
Islam is vile everywhere everyday over and over and over in every possible way it is to be vile from murdering and beheading children to using rape as a legitimate tactic of war and to mutilating the dead. And with the goal of a Great Whorehouse in the Sky where they will stuff their moronic half-bearded faces for all eternity and eff their tiny brains out. Am I missing something?
Posted by: poetcomic1
at March 21, 2007 4:15 PM
Islam is Satan's counterfeit religion here on earth. It is the exact opposite of everything that Christ preached.Tell me how so many billions of people can believe this kind of claptrap. As a previous poster said, these people are possessed! They have to be, there is no other rational explanation. Try to explain it to me otherwise. Are they so ignorant? No, not all of them. Are they so inbred that they are all mental cases? Maybe, but not all of them. Are they just a product of their culture? Even that wouldn't always be the case. I can't understand how a person can willingly and knowingly call good evil, and evil good. They HAVE to be possessed.
Posted by: fedupinamerica
at March 21, 2007 4:43 PM
abu jihad - Whose country are you living in?
Posted by: MP
at March 21, 2007 5:22 PM
Islam should be translated 'Expedience' instead of 'Submission'. Anything is permitted - including those things officially prohibited - as long as it furthers the cause of 'allah'.... allah being translated 'whatever I want at the present time'.
Islam on the whole is a justification machine for sociopathic desires. It is indeed Expedience, not Submission.
Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses
at March 21, 2007 5:37 PM
Yes to the poster above, there is great spiritual warfare in the middle east, fallen angles guard Iraq, surrounding Israel were the half angel man breeds and of course the possessed as in when Jesus cured. There are probably 4 types of evils that get into that part of the world more than any other and it does not take a genius to see the results it's has and it's hate that God originally had promises for a particular group or faiths that to a point are driven out.
But whatever the Islamic religion says about desecrating dead bodies has nothing to do with people’s actions, they were doing that in Iraq and it has always happened in war at some point by all races.
The problem is I find after you chop someone’s head off because you read a passage from the Koran or it’s a cultural custom, is this the same thing for mutilating before execution because there are other methods without decapitating? Guess once the blade has gone through it borders whether it’s a desecration or an execution but even so the method is always inhumane with slurs and infidel-phobia upon the victims so this story is an extension of the cultural outlook anyway. Holding severed heads up while mocking the dead, but even the method is treating the body with humiliation by taking someone’s head off or doing public executions it’s all the same thing.
Posted by: jesusisthelamb
at March 21, 2007 5:37 PM
Abu Jihad posted: You cannot go into somebody else's country by force at the behest of a few traitors and expect to be treated with dignity.
OK fine. So now dont you think it best that Muslims live in their Islamic country and we in ours. Or as you would put it, "for you, your religion, culture and land, and for me, my religion, culture and land".
If Muslims dont do this and continue to create problems for us in our lands, then we will have no choice but to go to Muslim countries, and with the best of intentions, and in the best way we can, try to get Muslims to accept tolerance and freedom. If you dont accept that offer, then the result will be Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia ie break up of the nation and Muslims killing Muslims.
Posted by: DP111
at March 21, 2007 8:10 PM
Yet another Abu Jihaad has been indicted
Hassan Abujihaad was charged with one count of providing material support to terrorists with intent to kill U.S. citizens and one count of disclosing classified information relating to the national defense.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070321/ap_on_re_us/navy_terror
Posted by: DP111
at March 21, 2007 8:32 PM
Divide them , no problem with that thought, just control where they go,see,hear,say,touch,feel,think,buy,sell,trade ,
well you where i'm going with this!!!!!
at March 21, 2007 8:44 PM
Allahu akbar? NO. This was Baalhu akbar at work. Depravity in the name of Baallah, for Baallah's edification.
The master they please, Lucifer, loves death and depravity.
Posted by: BurkasforHitlery
at March 21, 2007 9:04 PM
Can I implore people to politely inform CNN that AllahuAkhbar does not translate as "God is Great"?
You are so right. Allahu Akbar means Our God is Greater (Than Your God), much as the name of the ideology, Islam, tanslates from the 7th century Arabic to mean (You) Surrender or somewhat less threatening (You) Submit.
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer
at March 21, 2007 10:00 PM
Abu Jihad You are a constipated SOB
Posted by: hemoglobin
at March 21, 2007 11:15 PM
Does Islam actually proclaim something immoral if the subject isn't Muslim? All over the world, infidels are murdered. As we can see in Oslo, raping infidel women is A-OK (at 6x the rate in New York City). Christian land and property is routinely stolen in Muslim countries. As far as I can tell, Islamic "morality" only applies to Muslims.
Posted by: aynrandgirl
at March 21, 2007 11:17 PM
Abu Jihad, As a Somali I will say this to you, You are a donkey, a monkey and animal that needs to put in Zoo.
there is no justification what happen in Mogadishu yesterday that could possible connect to anything human like or humane, what Allah justifies that you killed Puntlander boys, whose only crime is to find employment at the only place that will employe them, the The Federal Goverment of Somalia. you have no excuse to say it is our only weapon, you have weapons to the teeth, and you want to keep homes that do not belong to you, your Jihad is in the name of Loot you stole from the rest of Somalia.
The fat ass women of Mogadishu, who hack these boys with mecheta and the beardos stinking Islamist who were draging the bodies of the Puntlander boys, are supposed to be Muslim chanting Allah Akbar, kill the Infidel.
The reason these fat-asses are fat is because they are receiving remittence from the INFIDEL LANDS!
I don't see you rejecting the money send from the INFIDEL land. what will your Allah say when you are getting fat off the money send from the Infidel Land.
I think it is high time the Goverments of the world shut down your Terrorist Hawaala banks and let us see if you can leave without the Infidels.
anyone who wants to know what I am talking about, the terrorist run websites of http://hornafrik.com/Newspage/dagaal.htm
http://www.shabelle.net/( this one is down now, but they also have pictures and you will understand what I meant Animals fat ass women
Rot in Hell Abu Jihad you barbaric idiot!
Posted by: Yasmiin
at March 22, 2007 10:03 AM
As a person of African Heritage, I applaud the efforts of the Ethiopians to crush Islamic extremism in Somalia. Islam has brought nothing save misery, ignorance, backwardness and death to the African continent! Where the barbaric religion of the Arabs reigns, so does slavery, racism, female degradation and genital mutilation and the most appalling superstition and fanaticism. Any attempt to enshrine these atrocities through Shari'a laws must be met with unequivocal force! Better that Ethiopia make a desert of Somalia than that it allow the religious blight that's re-medievalized the Middle East to add to Africa's woes.
There are No Gods, nor are there Prophets or Messiahs - Atheist Bismullah
Posted by: Zinjanthropus
at March 23, 2007 2:34 AM
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