A heresy is immune to any meaningful reformation since it lacks truth.

http://www.realclearreligion.com

Posted by: genevieve at March 23, 2007 5:54 PM

Reform Islam? That would be like turning La Cosa Nostra into a friendly neighborhood bocce club.

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at March 23, 2007 6:11 PM

CAN CANCER BE REFORMED?

By Marylou Barry

World Net Daily.com

Ever since today’s free world first crossed swords with regenerated Islamic imperialism, the word cancer has been a predictable metaphor in the lexicons of many pundits. We can’t ignore it and we can’t argue with it, they say; we’ve got to cut the cancer out.

Comparisons began in earnest on the heels of the 9-11 attacks. On Sept. 26, 2001, New York Rabbi Ben Tzion Krasnianski wrote:

“Terrorism is like a cancer, and you never make peace with cancer. Certain battles you don’t have the luxury to grow tired of. Terrorism is a malignant tumor, and you don’t make peace with a tumor. If you play nice with cancer, it will kill you. Show mercy to a tumor and it will metastasize and mercilessly kill you and kill itself in the process. The only merciful thing to do is to eradicate, destroy and pulverize the tumor into oblivion.”

http://www.islamanazi.com/

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at March 23, 2007 6:27 PM

How can you tell they are sincere and not just stalling for time , human shields?

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at March 23, 2007 6:33 PM

Islamic reform = Wishful thinking

Posted by: champ at March 23, 2007 6:43 PM

I pray something good happens - soon.

Posted by: eagerbeaver at March 23, 2007 7:03 PM

I wrote to Bennett's website thrice in the past week, and called once, begging them to discuss the school bus plot. He hasn't mentioned this issue once, nor has anyone in broadcast media that I know of other than Michael Savage. What will it take?

Posted by: Surak at March 23, 2007 7:14 PM

Islamic reform??? - no chance
It is never happened in 1400 years, why would it now?

The world thinks in terms of "moderate" and "radical". It should be "dormant" and "active" - and that is it.

Islam has gone through periods of dormancy - that should not be mistaken for moderateness.

Posted by: UK Infidel Lover at March 23, 2007 7:15 PM

This is Highlander. We are living through the Quickening. And yes, there can be only one.

Posted by: pez at March 23, 2007 7:18 PM

The koran is the dictated word of allah. It cannot be revised or interpreted. It's message is steadfast for all eternity. No Reformation, Renaissance or Age of Enlightenment can reform it.

Islam is not compatible with democracy and never will be.

Posted by: Celsius at March 23, 2007 7:37 PM

Robert, if you email Bill, I'm sure he will make it available to you for your site. The Powerline guys have Bennett's talk with Dr. Jasser up. I think you could reach them before Monday, but I'm not sure.

BTW Robert, you're the stuff. I admire your courage and truthfuless.

Posted by: Perry at March 23, 2007 7:45 PM

The real "tiny minority" in Islam may reform, however "Islam" will not be reformed, ever.

In two generations from now, the west will cry: the biggest mistake ever made was the assumption Islam could co-exist within Judeo-Christian countries.

We will woefully regret our immigration policies within this time.

Posted by: sounder at March 23, 2007 7:49 PM

In reading Mr. Jasser's profile he appears a wonderful person who cares about America, people in every context, is capable and accomplished, but there is only one of him.

The problem with Islam is there are a million terrorists and a billion silent majority either aiding them in silence or in the Saturday march down the street chanting death to whoever.

Posted by: Lame Cherry at March 23, 2007 7:57 PM

I think islamic reforem is a possibility. In fact it's quite likely, but we have to reform it for them, not just sit there and hope.

I think Israel or the US will begin "Operation Islamic Reform" sometime this year, starting with Iran.

Posted by: savitch at March 23, 2007 8:52 PM

genevieve
Heresy is an interesting notion.
I'm not sure how you understand it, but, in Western Christiandom, heresy played a huge part in Reformation. The absence of heresies--to the extent that the West experienced and was shaken by, leading up to Reformation--may be one of the reasons Islam can't undergo a groundswell change. Before Martin Luther and Melchior and Calvin there were the Cathars, the Speronists, the Waldesians,the Lollards, the Hussites, each one claiming a more "pure" form of Christianity than the Church orthodoxy. They payed dearly for their heresies. Almost every single community in Western Europe that had any connection to "heretical reformers" was punished severely--often to annihilation--by the Church and the State. The story of medieval Christianity is one of continuous struggle between orthodoxy and heterodoxy, and the rejection of illegitimate authority. I have a fondness for the Lollards. They score the best(tragic/millitary/political) stories of that struggle, and the keenest theology (Wyclif). All these heresies have never died in Western conscience. They make the substance of much of the American spirit.
Can anyone find anything similar in Islam?

Posted by: ovidius_naso at March 23, 2007 10:49 PM

genevieve
Heresy is an interesting notion.
I'm not sure how you understand it, but, in Western Christiandom, heresy played a huge part in Reformation. The absence of heresies--to the extent that the West experienced and was shaken by, leading up to Reformation--may be one of the reasons Islam can't undergo a groundswell change. Before Martin Luther and Melchior and Calvin there were the Cathars, the Speronists, the Waldesians,the Lollards, the Hussites, each one claiming a more "pure" form of Christianity than the Church orthodoxy. They payed dearly for their heresies. Almost every single community in Western Europe that had any connection to "heretical reformers" was punished severely--often to annihilation--by the Church and the State. The story of medieval Christianity is one of continuous struggle between orthodoxy and heterodoxy, and the rejection of illegitimate authority. I have a fondness for the Lollards. They score the best(tragic/millitary/political) stories of that struggle, and the keenest theology (Wyclif). All these heresies have never died in Western conscience. They make the substance of much of the American spirit.
Can anyone find anything similar in Islam?

Posted by: ovidius_naso at March 23, 2007 10:49 PM

Oops:
Read Melanchton for Melchior (appologies for Friday night foggies)

Posted by: ovidius_naso at March 23, 2007 10:59 PM

Re: Islamic reform

In the 1970's Brezhnev's daughter had a conversation with her father and she asked him what he thought of communism. He confided to her that he thought it was "a total failure". He expressed his frustration that it was not reformable. Yet, when Pope John Paul II said the same thing in public, Brezhnev expressed his indignation. In fact, the KGB attempted to kill the Pope for speaking the truth, in almost the same words that Brezhnev confided to his daughter.

What does that tell us about human nature?

Posted by: Frank at March 23, 2007 11:23 PM

Yet another obstacle to reforming Islam is that the ideology encounters little or no resistance. Where is the major bloc of resistance to Moslem takeover? I don't see resistance in our present, nor do I sense it on the horizon.

So why should the Moslems reform their ways?

They're winning, batting somewhere around .800 with a high slugging percentage even despite all the intentional walks issued them daily.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at March 23, 2007 11:24 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Brezhnev.jpg

Posted by: Frank at March 23, 2007 11:26 PM

Like Robert I am not optimistic about Islamic reform and especially not now! I remember when a Democraticly controlled Congress did not honor Nixon's Vietnam solution and because of that Congres's in action millions of Cambodians and Vietnamese died. We are seeing the same Democratically controlled Congress with help from a few Dhimmi Republicans repeat the same misstakes only in Iraq this time. While I agree with Hugh about the War, I do not think Hugh would agree with the way in which this withdrawal is going to be handled.Instead of stating clear positions like Hugh hypothesized a few days ago about what our President should say, words which would echo strength and conviction, they are positioning us and proving us to be week, decadent, self absorbed and afraid politically. The "pullout", if enacted into law will prove all of that to the worldwide Muslim community and they will wait until that day comes and we leave to begin in earnest the struggle they have always wanted and can now pursue because we left not in strength but in weakness. The propaganda value will be priceless to al Qaeda and all Muslims around the world and even here at home. And while for a time we will see the Sunni and Shia go after each other in Iraq as Hugh suggested, this will be a short battle and the main battle will be started again since Osama Bin laden will have been proven right about his perception of the US.

The war against Islamic Jihad is equally important to this generation as World War Two was to the generations alive at that time. Oh I wish we had the same convictions as to what an American was who was alive and obviously entrenched in Americas fight for survival as was the rest of the free world at that time.

To illustrate this point let me quote from Franklin D Roosevelt, President of the United States, and Mayor La Guardia, the Mayor of New York and FDR's National Civil Defense Director. They issued a proclamation on a n 8.5 inch wide 6.0 inch long piece of paper and it was passed to every American to sign it for what they billed as: "Mammoth Patriotic Celebration May 17th, 1942, Sunday Afternoon, Central Park Mall."

"Wheras, President Roosevelt has proclaimed Sunday May 17th, 1942 as "I AM AN AMERICAN DAY" and has dedicated this day to the recognition of our new and naturalized citizens, and has requested these citizens, as well as all other Americans, to take cognizance on this day of their additional and special responsibilities owing to our part in the war and
Whereas. Mayor La Guardiahas declared that there will be appropriate ceremonies in Central Park during the afternoon on Sunday, May 17th, in observance of "I AM AN AMERICAN DAY

Posted by: kwg1 at March 24, 2007 1:03 AM

Why worry?

Here's a guy who's got it all worked out:

Its US! The bloggers!

We are 'blogging off to hatred'

http://sheikyermami.com/2007/03/24/blogging-off-to-hatred/

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at March 24, 2007 2:52 AM

I have to say that all these OT links by disciples of Sheik Yer Mami are becoming a bore. Surely Sheik does have a problem with some news article posted in Cairns, but what is the point of seemingly spreading the word about what a bad thing has been done to him with all these links? If Sheik is so upset about having his identity publicised, didnt he know this was the risk he took when he put up his web site? Robert Spencer seems to publicise his real name and manages to still stay secure it seems, yet being accessible enough to appear on radio and TV. If Sheik wants to work in this space, maybe instead of crying about having his name outed, he should just take the same steps Robert Spencer takes.

Also if this is of such interest to us on JW/DW why not get Robert to put something on Dhimmi Watch rather than just clogging us with OTs?

Posted by: payingattention at March 24, 2007 5:59 AM

"optimistic" about the prospects for Islamic reform.

hahahahahahahahahahahahah, that is so funny, and as Robert knows the Quran he knows that there can NEVER be Islamic reform, the quran does not permit it...
When you get a leader who they follow implicitly who says over and over again to slaughter all who will not submit in all of the world, then you know that there can not be any moderate Muslims, only Muslims in waiting...Muslims waiting for when the time is right and they are called..

Posted by: Gaye at March 24, 2007 7:51 AM

Jeff you said....yeh, judge a tree by it's fruit, is a better way to put it!
and you are so right, an apple tree can only produce apples, an orange tree can only produce oranges etc... if the tree is bad it will produce bad fruit.. and the branch of the Islamic tree was deformed and bad, so it produces deformed and bad fruit.. fruit that poisons..

Posted by: Gaye at March 24, 2007 8:01 AM

Terminator . . er, I mean sheik yer' mami:

Don't listem to paying attention. Keep posting the links. We need this kind of information. You've been a tremendous asset to JW/DW and to the anti-jihad movement for a long time. I WANT TO READ THOSE LINKS, and so do many others. Don't stop fighting. Remember, many of us here love you and care about what happens to you. Plus, your music ROCKS!

Hang in there, and all our best regards,

CGW

Posted by: CGW at March 24, 2007 8:34 AM

The frequent readers of this site must feel like that girl on that Thai beach three Christmas ago. You see the tide rapidly recede. You shout tidal wave and no one listens.

This site documents that the raising tide of Islamic terror is done in the name of the god of their prophet Mohammad and the vast majority of Americans pay no attention. For about a year I have used the information provided by Jihad Watch to send quires to my local media asking them to find Muslims who repudiate the use of Islam’s sacred texts to justify this evil. So far I’ve received no response.

Maryland’s public libraries have instituted an online interactive service for patrons to request searches of their data bases ( http://askusnow.info/ ). I have posted a request for a search of any Muslims who repudiate the use of Islam’s sacred texts to justify this evil.

Do your public libraries offer a similar service? I don’t know what good this will do but my only other idea is to start a pool on what city good Muslims will nuke first.

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My abridged search request.

We are pleading for Muslims living in the secular West to repudiate the so called radical Islam. But on what bases do we expect them to repudiate the extremist’s call to Islamic purity? I am very much afraid that a theological rebuttal to Muslim terrorist’s death to the unbeliever cannot be found in the Koran. I sincerely pray that I am wrong but I cannot find a Muslim who is even trying to refute the raising tied of Islamic fanaticism in terms of Islamic theology. Would you please search your data bases for Muslim theologians who are repudiating the use of Islam’s sacred texts to terrorize non-Muslims into submission.

Posted by: Ralph127 at March 24, 2007 9:22 AM

Islam was born of pure violence by violent-minded people who inhabited a violent age and milieu. Even Islam's object of worship, "al-lah," is violent to the core.

Islam can NOT be reformed. Muhammad already saw to that.

With Islam, it is the killing itself that forms the religion.

Islam will have to die of the same violence that created it. Nothing else will do the trick.

My condolences to those who have beliefs to the contrary. They are in for a particularly dreadful let-down.

Posted by: pythagoras at March 24, 2007 1:59 PM

Ralph127:
The frequent readers of this site must feel like that girl on that Thai beach three Christmas ago. You see the tide rapidly recede. You shout tidal wave and no one listens.

I agree with you Ralph127.
But at this point I am asking myself what I can do. And what I shall be doing is lobbying journalists and politicians and anyone else that has some degree of power. I might even go on some demonstrations and talk to other like-minded people. And it possible that i might get involved in politics. So my posts here might become infrequent and I will still read, but my spare time will be used in whatever fashion I deem is most profitable in halting the tide of Muslims and alerting the West to the danger.

Right now, only a tiny % of the West is aware of the danger. It is our reponsibility to inform the West, and preferably convincingly.

The West has no idea that
Islam is totalitarian
That Mohammadad is more in line with the "radicals" than any "moderates"
That in reality you can split Muslims up as active and dormant rather than radicals and moderates.
That the Islamic holy books back the active Muslims not the dormant.


This site documents that the raising tide of Islamic terror is done in the name of the god of their prophet Mohammad and the vast majority of Americans pay no attention. For about a year I have used the information provided by Jihad Watch to send quires to my local media asking them to find Muslims who repudiate the use of Islam’s sacred texts to justify this evil. So far I’ve received no response.

Yup. Same here in Europe. But you need to find out how to influence the media (or even becoem the media). So writing letters to Washington Times might be the right thing. Seeing if there are any articles on Muslims/Islam and responding.
It is politics and the media we need to turn our attention to.

We are pleading for Muslims living in the secular West to repudiate the so called radical Islam. But on what bases do we expect them to repudiate the extremist’s call to Islamic purity? I am very much afraid that a theological rebuttal to Muslim terrorist’s death to the unbeliever cannot be found in the Koran.

It can't be found. I figure the West will fight on its hands by 2050-2070, maybe earlier. The best we can do is alert our people to the problem now and hope and pray that our people will listen. Out task will be harder is Muslims behave reasonably.

I sincerely pray that I am wrong but I cannot find a Muslim who is even trying to refute the raising tied of Islamic fanaticism in terms of Islamic theology. Would you please search your data bases for Muslim theologians who are repudiating the use of Islam’s sacred texts to terrorize non-Muslims into submission.

I dont think you are wrong. And from my examination of Islam, I think it is unreformable.
Therefore, we have to isolate ourselves from it.
And it will mean fighting to win.
We need a Winston Churchill.

Posted by: UK Infidel Lover at March 24, 2007 2:52 PM

I am off the internet for a month or so and will be unable to access JW/DW.
In a way I will miss my regular visits and occasional postings, but on the other hand I may find that absence relieves the depression that plagues me when I see how little effect we are having in awakening others to the dangers of Islamic immigration into western societies. At Church we Christians are invariably told to love ones neighbour, and most people still believe that it is only the Muslim extremists who form a threat to our freedoms and civil liberties. To inform them that Islam is intrinsically evil is to be accused of hateism/racism/islamophobia/etc; and being told that Mo down at the cash and carry would not hurt a fly and has lived here happily and quietly for many years.
My friends tell me I am paranoid and to please stop trying to scare them!

Posted by: meekee at March 24, 2007 9:33 PM

I disagree in part with Robert Spencer's statement that "Islam is not moderate but there are moderate Muslims".

There cannot and never will be moderate Muslims if they "fear for their lives" by speaking out against the violent covenants of the Koran. 99 and 99/100% will never say a word against the violent verses of the Koran--------- "PUBLICLY".

They will step down just as they did on 9/11 and every other Muslim atrocity of late.

They are caught up in a Murderous "Cult" not unlike the Mafia and cannot get out nor speak against it.

Posted by: paulc37 at March 25, 2007 9:22 AM