If those servicemen are killed, then a definite declaration of war against Iran. I am sick and tired of bowing to Iran. Let's roll!

Posted by: The Resistance at March 24, 2007 9:40 PM

America out of Iraq and into Iran!

Posted by: The Resistance at March 24, 2007 9:44 PM

Sounds like these yahoos are itching for a fight and I hope the British with American support give it to them - with extreme prejudice. Go in, get their people, and leave a huge mess on the way out.

Posted by: Infidel at March 24, 2007 9:45 PM

(I repeat my earlier post. Also, The Resistance.....who are you supposed to be?)

My Europe has failed. Once we could field thousands of troops. Now, we will try diplomacy with these lunatics. We are playing right into their hands. I HATE the fact that we are going the way of the Western Roman Empire - Apathy, Ignorance, Political Correctness, and finally dying with a whimper.

Where are the Americans? I agree with the earlier statement - Let's get this over with. It may be extreme; however, Iran and Syria must go. I hate the fact that Western Civilization is fading.

Where are the Americans? I am old enough to remember my fellow Europeans stating "Better Red than dead" during the Reagan Administration. Weak! Truly Weak!! Reagan saved Europe and was the final nail in the coffin of Communism. We need that now. Islam will not stop on its own. Where are the Americans?

My Country has great food, wine, and women....However...........

Posted by: LouisRusso at March 24, 2007 9:48 PM

The stupidest most self-destructive move this idiot could possibly make. I'm ecstatic. Such demented acts of war and soon millions in the West will awaken as from a deep drugged PC sleep.

Posted by: poetcomic1 at March 24, 2007 9:48 PM

Hey Infidel,

I hope the Yanks and Brits crush Tehran and leave only a Starbucks, a Pub, and a good Italian Restaurant in their wake.

Lou Russo

Posted by: LouisRusso at March 24, 2007 9:53 PM

The Iranian Navy needs three praying Arabs to figure out which way is east. Now they’re lecturing England on navigation.

This is amazing.

Posted by: pez at March 24, 2007 10:02 PM

LouisRusso, I sympathize with you. My country is heading in the same direction. The problem with Europe is that most of its citizens are pretending the danger is not real, and at the same time hide their heads in the sand... As for my identity I could be French, German, Australian or American resistance...LOL

Posted by: The Resistance at March 24, 2007 10:03 PM

RE:My Country has great food, wine, and women

I agree with Lou, infact I have a girlfriend in Cheboksary and the food and wine there is great!

Posted by: The Resistance at March 24, 2007 10:05 PM

Hey Resistance,

Sorry my friend. I have been drinking a lot of Chianti and I thought I read America out of Iraq and Iran. I had an American Mother and I get a little defensive. I am tired of the "America Bashing" in the World Press. As far as I am concerned, America is the last hope for Western Civilization. I just cannot understand the political leadership in Europe. I just don't get it at all.

Lou

Posted by: LouisRusso at March 24, 2007 10:14 PM

Is he hitting a high note in that picture, or preparing to demonstrate proper flossing?

Posted by: MarisolJW at March 24, 2007 10:17 PM

We won't do anything because we are stuck in Iraq and don't want to anger the shia who make up the majority. This is beyond stupid but that is what our current American/British leadership will do. Oh I expect lots of diplo-speak and harsh words about defying the international will and law. Iran will try to grab some Americans soon too no doubt. Get your yellow ribbons out folks and get ready for Jimmy II. I always knew Bush was like Carter in terms of intelligence and we are about to get a nasty dose of reality of how bad things are...I hope I am wrong...

This is what I say to G.W.: Its put up or shut up time!

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at March 24, 2007 10:17 PM

lol, herre you have a piece of dudu leader cowing the Britts? Holy cow ain'tthere any morel's any more.LOL

Posted by: AMartinez at March 24, 2007 10:28 PM

Thanks Professor Spencer

It's my first post........etc...on to the matter at hand..Iran seems to be a chimera..I read different facts about % s of populace willing to dump the Mullahs..% s of population willing to dump Islam itself...the whole 1979 thing, which I was rivited to during the duration...any help from you or Hugh and Tx so VERY much for your dedication to these issues...

Posted by: nodak at March 24, 2007 10:29 PM

A part of me is convinced that '300' put Xerxes at 9 feet to spin up Mahmoud. He may be losing it. Stupid move.

Posted by: pez at March 24, 2007 10:29 PM

I agree with America taking on Iran - no problem with that. But two things on this:

1) Your fellow citizens are fatigued by Iraq. There is no public support for a new war on Iran.
At this stage in Bush's Presidency and with the mood of Congress, there is no chance of this happening. So it is all rhetoric.

2) The war in Iraq has not gone well.
The West has failed to identify, correctly, who the real enemy is.

And the lessons of the past have been forgotten.
Remember confronting Communism? It was not just a military conflict but also a battle with propaganda. Right now, I would say the West has a guerrilla type war in Iraq and Afghanistan which it is just about winning but on the propaganda front, it is losing royally. Islam is losing hands down.

And I find Dr Rice a conundrum. She is incredibly intelligent - so how is it that she is not seeing through Hamas's rhetoric?
And how is it that she cannot see that the problem is Islam?

Posted by: UK Infidel Lover at March 24, 2007 10:30 PM

From the article:

their “aggressive action” in entering Iranian waters

I'm trying to reconcile the fact that the British navy personnel were taken prisoner, apparently without firing a shot to defend themselves, with the Iranian claim that the British sailors were "aggressive".

Posted by: special_guest at March 24, 2007 10:31 PM

Europe is sh##. In a crisis, they will never amount to anything. (Memo : advise Blair to pull out of Europe at first opportunity).

Mind you, I am not sure what the UK's options are here. Maximum pressure I suppose. See if the SAS and/or SBS can recover these seaman.

Posted by: UK Infidel Lover at March 24, 2007 10:34 PM

UK Infidel Lover

Say if anything happens to their sailors kiss the half ass Iranian navy good bye plus all their ports.

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at March 24, 2007 10:38 PM

The plot thickens. Is it safe to assume that by "a very serious penalty", they mean the soldiers could be put to death? Iran seems to execute people for much less severe crimes than espionage, so I don't doubt it. I can't believe Britain will just sit back and do nothing if these men end up being killed though. And no matter how bogged down the U.S. might be in Iraq, or how sick of war the American people in general are right now, I can't imagine we will either... even if those two factors might be exactly what Ahmadinehitler is counting on.

Of course, the liberal press will still continue to whine about America being the aggressor with Iran.

Posted by: staff_of_magius at March 24, 2007 10:40 PM

I suppose it's a good thing I'm not Prime Minister. If I was, this would be the sequence of events:

1. Give them four hours to return our men and woman to us unharmed. Failing that (but without having said anything but demand the return of our people):

2. Without warning, make a hole where Qom is.

3. Give them four hours to return our men and woman to us unharmed. Failing that:

4. Without warning, make a hole ...

5. ...

6. ...

Etcetera.

It took two cities for Japan (I don't mean to give offence to anyone), how many for Iran?

I'm sick and bloody tired of all this messing around.

Posted by: Sir Henry Morgan at March 24, 2007 10:52 PM

"Is he hitting a high note in that picture, or preparing to demonstrate proper flossing?"
Posted by: MarisolJW

By positions of index finger and thumb, he is indicating the size of his manhood.

Posted by: TINBH at March 24, 2007 11:01 PM

If if were the British PM, I would give them 48 hours to return them unharmed... And no negotiations. If not, all out war...

Posted by: The Resistance at March 24, 2007 11:02 PM

Oops, nevermind my previous question regarding the penalty. I read the full article now, and the penalty for espionage is death, as I assumed.

Posted by: staff_of_magius at March 24, 2007 11:07 PM

I assumed we Brits would make Iran suffer over a year ago when it was shown that they were providing insurgents with customised IED's for killing British servicemen. I foolishly suggested a bit of discrete, deniable sabotage of the Iranian infra-structure would be in order.I was surprised by our supine reaction then, so that no depth of abasement would surprise me this time. Cripes, in Edwardian times this country would have been in the throes of war fever by now.

Posted by: wallyUK at March 24, 2007 11:07 PM

Caption:
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad- "My family jewel is this big!"

Posted by: The Resistance at March 24, 2007 11:08 PM

Marisol, cant you see it? He's using his halo as a lasso.
We should do and say anything to get our boys back safely then declare war!!!

Posted by: eloivsdiablo at March 24, 2007 11:10 PM

We need a draft of 2 million men and then to invade Iran. A ground invasion avoids retaliation by Iran with Russian anti-ship missiles.

Ground Invasion of Iran Cuts the Gordian Knot of Retaliation

re Thomas Holsinger on “The Case for Invading Iran”

We mobilized in WWI from 200,000 in April 1917 to 1 million in France in May 1918:

US Army Mobilization WWI from 0.2 to Victory 19mo

Virgil Goode Right: Stop Muslim Immigration

Posted by: Old Atlantic at March 24, 2007 11:12 PM

The resolution on Friday to make leaving Iraq mandatory, after Congress knew of the hostage taking was a betrayal of these 15 Brits. Congress knew their action would make it harder to get them released.

Iran may have decided to try them because of this resolution. Pelosi gave up pork barrel promises and earmark promises to get the votes to pass it. That was shameful to do after she knew these men had been taken hostage.

Posted by: Old Atlantic at March 24, 2007 11:14 PM

Of course the British will back down. Is there any doubt? Weak is as weak does. Some chest-beating Brit commenters like to claim that the UK is still a world-class power, but where's the proof? I can't really blame Iran & muslims for pushing the Brits around, there is no price to pay but much to gain.

Flame on. But Britain will do nothing except "compromise".

Posted by: Charles Bogle at March 24, 2007 11:17 PM

If it is proven that they deliberately entered Iranian territory, they will be charged with espionage. If that is proven, they can expect a very serious penalty since according to Iranian law, espionage is one of the most serious offences.”

Nothing will happen to the Brits; they are worth too much as bargaining chips.

The British now have a reason to back down -- and I think they will.

Eventually, they will have to pay the piper however -- at a much higher price than merely 15.

Posted by: witness at March 24, 2007 11:36 PM

To be Churchill or to be Chamberlain: that is the question.

Posted by: Freedom1776 at March 24, 2007 11:57 PM

I used to try to engage in dialogue with left-wingers in Britain over their alliance with our Islamist enemies, but for health reasons I stopped this practice. Everyone here knows their stock replies: "Bush, Palestinians, Blair, imperialsim, blah blah blah". Anyway, when I started to read blog entries hoping for and gloating over the deaths of British servicemen in Iraq, it was more than I could take without being driven to rage. There will be quite a few on the left, even in the mainstream left in Britain if I can call it that, who will probably support Iran in the current standoff over the 15 personnel seized by depraved Iranian zealots.

One only has to listen to the insane anti-American anti-Israeli rantings of the despicable Tony Benn. On question time shown on BBC World last night, this madman relished the prospect of the Americans losing in Iraq "as they did in Vietnam"; a comment that drew raptorous applause from some sections of the audience, including the Syrian ambassador to the UK. And John Bolton was right to treat Tony Benn with the contempt he deserved.

If the 15 serviceman are not returned immediately, then maybe Britain should send the SAS again into the Iranian embassy in London (remember that back in the early 80s?); but this time not to rescue the so-called diplomats. After all, the Iranians themselves have a fairly good track record at violating the sovereignty of diplomatic premises. What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

Posted by: The Northumbrian at March 24, 2007 11:58 PM

This was a deliberate kidnapping in Iraqi waters which was planned out with bait the Brits bit on hard.
One could ask which nation provided them the intel as Iran does not have eyes in the sky now does it to coordinate this? THINK PEOPLE PLEASE AND DO NOT GET CAUGHT UP IN THE FLOW.

Blair can not back down. It will be the ruin of his legacy. He now has the Conservative's issue and if he plays Maggie Thatcher he will be Lord Hero.

In knowing this was a set Council operation Ahmadinejad was not informed of, so he had to throw a fit and then sign off on for publicity means the government Parliment is not controlling this but Qod.
They are sore over the defectors and sore over the arrests of their agents and in Islamocommunist fashion have picked on the British as Blair did nothing before.

Problem: Russia, China might be supplying intel, but they are not going to back this as the UN vote has shown.
This means the entire Middle East is on guard for more kidnappings which means everyone wants something done.

Guess who is getting calls, but President Bush.

The Persians do not care about public relations, so if they stage a show trial and humiliate the west it does not matter to them. This is an act of typical communist desperation showing weakness.

Conclusion: In the winter's discontent of Carter memories of the past in Ahmadinejad hostages, the Persians will find a different jove in George Bush in making a glorious fireball in the Iranian spring turned hot summer by this American son.

Posted by: Lame Cherry at March 25, 2007 12:05 AM

Caption:
"My patience is running thin, and I am THIS CLOSE to destroying Israel and the US!!"

Posted by: champ at March 25, 2007 12:10 AM

As far as I am concerned we should change Tehran to TheyRan when the bonbs started to fall. I Ran could be A Mad Dinner Dog's new motto.

Posted by: getrealnow4 at March 25, 2007 12:32 AM

Is the plan to split Britain from the US? To turn Britain to diplomacy and concession, where its people view the present situation as if their soldiers would come home "if it weren't for the US causing problems"? thereby isolating the US all the more, hamstringing us into no military action?

I guess you only have to read Shirer to learn how this worked before.

Posted by: Greifer at March 25, 2007 1:13 AM

Taking hostages worked well back in 1979 with Carter, so Ahmadinejad probably figures it will work today.
Still, it might be premature as a strategy and indicative of some desperation on his part.
Blair and Bush have not gone yet.

Might Russia bringing home its technicians and engineers from Iran’s unfinished nuclear reactor site have something to do with this apparently desperate gambit.

If Ahmadinejad was a chess player, he would be sacrificing pieces left, right and center.
All ultimately unsound sacrifices of course.

Posted by: Mike_W at March 25, 2007 1:15 AM

I am so tired of this annoying violent little stain of a country. We don't need to invade them. Tactical nukes delivered via cruise missiles will do just fine. Blair will have to go it alone. Bush's Saudi masters told him no already.

Posted by: Bingo at March 25, 2007 1:19 AM

The Mad Mullahs again. Send in the Dixie Chicks, Carter and Jane whats her name.

Posted by: hemoglobin at March 25, 2007 1:20 AM

As much as I can sympathize with some of the rhetoric on these forums, I cannot help, but feel that we, the average citizens, are helpless at this current stage of the situation. Our governments must either recognize the real nature of the problem, or eventually we could all be destroyed and relegated to the dustbins of history. The only other option would be to exercise what I would term "The Thomas Jefferson" clause within the Declaration of Independence, but I pray that we would never have to exercise such an option. However, given a choice between Sharia or Freedom, I would choose Freedom. I would hope that our governments DO wake up before it is too late. There is still time, but the time is running out.

As one person once noted, "You are either with us, or against us." I would hope that our governments would be with us, and not against us. Sooner, rather than later... would be good.

Posted by: Monkeywho at March 25, 2007 1:20 AM

AT LEAST IRAN HAS BALLS, WE IN AMERICA HAVE BECOME A PAPER TIGER

I'm starting to realize that the Islamic wackos actually have more balls than we do. They are weaker, dumber, smell a lot worse, more barbaric, but they do have balls.

I would not be surprised if Iran formally declares "Total War" against the USA and the UK before we declare war against them.

The Dhimmicratic party in the US is trying to run from these utter losers, and pull out in 2008. That's their "We-Lose-The-War" date.

Do we still think America is a "SUPER POWER"? The crickets in Iran are chasing us around while we pee in our pants and cry to the U.N. and make wimpy pull-out-of-Iraq dates bc the Iranians are too big and mean and won't let us establish a peaceful democracy in neighboring Iraq.

I'm disgusted with ONE HALF of my country! The Shi'ites think their Mahdi is going to conquer the world for them, and they see our government begging to pull out of Iraq. They must be laughing triumphantly at how pathetic our "SUPER POWER" nation is.

The NEW LEFT in AMerica will be our downfall. We need to take back our public schools, first of all, and stop raising our boys to be girls and our girls to be boys.

We destroyed Iraq's military in TWO WEEKS! Iraq fought crazy Iran to a STAND STILL over TEN YEARS. WHY IS AMERICA MORE AFRAID OF IRAN THAN IRAN IS AFRAID OF AMERICA??????????????????????

Posted by: Tookson at March 25, 2007 1:21 AM

the world is fastly approaching WW3.........

the problem with WW3 is that it will not be a ground war for long.............for to many countries have nuclear weapons and will use their nukes before they are defeated.......MAD........will happen......prepare be armed be ready.........

will iran be the start of WW3????????

Britian attacks Iran for murdering her sailors...a nuclear weapon explodes in Iran.....Israel, America and Britian are blamed by the islamic world.........

israel is attacked.......by all of the islamic countries surrounding her.......

islamic terrorists set off WMD's and suitcase nukes across Europe and America.......

America and Britian level islamic sites across the middle east............India and Pakistan devistate each other.........

Russia (Gog) marches into Iran to provide aid and military support to rebuild.......and to control the middle east oil.....

China sends her navy toward Tiawan and Japan....Tiawan and Japan retaliate with nukes.......China is hurt, but Tiawan and Japan are devistated.

US carrier groups are destroyed in the middle east..........and Pacfic........

American troops fight their way out of Iraq and fight their way to Israel. the Russian and islamic armies march toward Israel........and Israel releases its nukes on the the Russian and islamic enemies surrounding Israel....

WW3 is fully engaged...............

missiles fly across the world.....

all hell breaks loose..........

WW3 is coming and it can not be stopped........

there is not enough sanity in the world to stop WW3...........Russia intends on reconquering eastern europe and ruling the middle east.....China has joined Russia in this quest for together they think that they can destroy America and conquer the world then deal with each other.....

2 to 4 billion plus people will die in WW3......

if America has a nuclear war with Russia and China, the horrors reported from New Orleans after Katrina will be bedtime stories........

Russia and China both believe that they can survive a nuclear war with America if they strike first and wipe out America's capabilities to launch missiles back...America's submarine fleet will remain......

prepare be armed be ready.........

America will not be America for a long period of time if America gets involved in a ground invasion war in Ameirca or in a nuclear war.....

if you do not prepared, you and your family will suffer if not lose your lives.........if you live in a major city plan on how to get from work to home and how your children will get from school to home. Set-up communication links for your family.........emergency cell phones for children....cells phone systems will become overloaded....CBs and handhelds also........Make maps from your work to home and drive all of the routes for you do not know which one will be passable........walk the routes that your children will take to get home or plan for someone to pickup........find a place outside of the city that you can go and be safe and how to get there....... if you can not.....learn how to make you home safe........or a friends home safem(plywood over the interior side of windows...... keep food and water stored...........what will you tell your children when you have no food to eat.........what use is a new car if you have no food........keep some cash at home.............

http://www.areyouprepared.com/index.html

be armed for if you are not armed you can not defend your family friends neighborhood and country.......if you live where you can carry a weapon.......get liscensed. First and second weapons: two 12 guage or two 20 guage shotguns - point and shoot weapons.... then two 9m pistols with laser pointers... then two 30-06 or 9mag or 380 semi-auto rifles...... 1 to 2 thousand rounds per weapon......

right to carry states:
http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=18

be ready for the time is short........it is probably not years......it may only be months or days.........especially if something happens in iran....iran appears to be the focal point.....

God bless America Israel England Canada Australia Darfur Pureto Rico and our fighting forces across the world............keep us safe and Free and destory our enemies..........

for those that believe in the pre-Trib Rapture..... you have been deceived and will not be prepared for the Rapture happens after the final horn which is after WW3............

some light reading.....
http://directory.google.com/Top/Society/Religion_and_Spirituality/Christianity/Perspectives/Prophecy/Prophecies/End_Times/

I pray to God that this is not to be, but God keeps showing me the facts and it is not good.......

I am gone for a while for I need to become better prepared.............

God bless yall.......and keep you safe. please prepare be armed and be ready......read your Bible and if you have not accepted salvation, do so....

The Texican.
Live Free and Die Free.........
God Family America Freedom the only choice at any cost........

Posted by: The Texican at March 25, 2007 1:38 AM

Both Angie and Marty were much better looking.

Posted by: Hugh at March 25, 2007 1:54 AM

the world and especially the UK, gretly miss the tough and courageous Mrs.Thatcher. What difference she would make in the present situation! And there's no one with her guts...

Posted by: lew at March 25, 2007 2:09 AM

The problem with Europe is that most of its citizens are pretending the danger is not real

[...]

Posted by: The Resistance

The problem with Europe is that most of us are afraid of losing our jobs.

Posted by: Allahfanculo at March 25, 2007 2:30 AM

Get it done and ASAP...do it by drone and remote control and joy-stick and when most of his infrastructure and "Navy" are still smouldering , remind him this was all done without getting off the sofa !
Then ask the chimp if he want`s some more !

Posted by: aladdinsane57 at March 25, 2007 5:19 AM

The Mad Mullahs done it again and the UN will wag its collective finger. Apart from that nothing

Posted by: hemoglobin at March 25, 2007 5:51 AM

AT LEAST IRAN HAS BALLS, WE IN AMERICA HAVE BECOME A PAPER TIGER,

well in Europe, particular in France (governments that is people)have said it better they are the proverbial "papier tigre".

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at March 25, 2007 7:23 AM

"read your Bible and if you have not accepted salvation, do so...."

I was wondering how long it would take, amidst all the apocalyptic fantasies, for this irrelevancy to surface.

Posted by: JFGR at March 25, 2007 7:25 AM

the world and especially the UK, gretly miss the tough and courageous Mrs.Thatcher. What difference she would make in the present situation! And there's no one with her guts...

What we are missing much more are the tough generations who were around in 1914 and 1939, who were up for it in the fight against evil. The generation of today has been mollycoddled and softened up by 40 years of PC - a weak generation which no longer believes anything is worth fighting for - not even their lives, and the Islamonazis know it, and are using incidents like these to test our resolve and expose our weakness to their populations. Churchill was great because when he was Prime Minister, the people who were around then were determined and fearless, made so by the harsh conditions they were brought up in. Would he be viewed as great today if he had to face today's morale-sapping academia, press, the media, and all manner of tinpot traitors like Galloway, who get in the way of dealing with our enemies, and openly want us to lose?

Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at March 25, 2007 8:19 AM

The Military Chanel aired a program on these type operations. It was clear these activities the British were involved, take place in Gulf and all its environs, all the time. With every Ship subject to search.

These boarding parties are lightly armed, running around in overloaded Row boats. Along comes a couple 30ft. or so, proper fishing boats with 100 horse Johnson's, sporting 50Cals or 20mm guns. Who's day of Fishing panned out???

Somebody planned a very good Trip. Knew exactly when and where to be. Knew the Helicopter wasn't around (was it 15min. out). With the base Ship too far away to respond and no corresponding light units operating in support.

We need to have a serious discussion with the Captain of the Ship the Brits just inspected. Like their other Bridge Officers didn't see these Iranian vessels lurking around? Why were all these fisherman hanging around this spot on this particular day?

There is just no creditability in the Iranian claims. These Brits knew exactly where they were and what they were doing. There is no indication that the Brits even made a "run" for it. Small as their Craft are, it would have created some measure of separation between them for some response in support to develop. Had they been "on the run". Running would have certainly drawn the Iranians deeper into "Iraqi" waters.

Some how one gets the impression that the Brits were nabbed dead in the water. Which means they were taken just after getting off the Ship, which means to me that that Ship Captain is dirty, big time. IMOA.

Posted by: flowerknife_us at March 25, 2007 8:22 AM

Iran can be virtually destroyed using just air power. There is no need to send in ground troops for them to take over Iran, and then be responsible for sanitation, electricity, medical aid, education, repair of the infrastructure etc etc, while being fired on from mosques by insurgents, the Left screams that it all about OIL, and being cursed by an ungrateful Islamic population. Surely we must have learned something from the Iraq intervention.

Just air power, and this time no fussing around with precision munitions. Precision munition for only those targets that are really difficult, as well as of a value that is at the very least, ten times the value of a precision guided munition.

Posted by: DP111 at March 25, 2007 8:50 AM

Iran reminds me of a desperate stalker trying to get the attention of an ex. There is no longer a relationship with the West that other Middle Eastern countries "enjoy" since they screwed up with the American hostage crisis back in 79, so they will pull any stunt to get into talks with Western countries, even if the stunt is of a negative kind. It really shows the dysfunctional nature of Islam. While decrying the West, most of Islam's adherents are desperate and needy for some kind of relationship with the West. True stalker behaviour.

Posted by: londongirl at March 25, 2007 8:56 AM

"The generation of today has been mollycoddled and softened up by 40 years of PC"

Agreed about the softening-up, but I'd dispute that the creeping paralysis of PC has been around for 40 years in Britain. I seem to remember it was an import from the U.S. in the late eighties and later. Of course, it chimed in nicely with the do-goodery and oikophobia espoused by many Labourites for many years, of which we're now seeing an example in the demands for Britain to "apologize" for its part in the slave trade. You can only apologize for something you were personally responsible for, and a statute of limitations should certainly apply. (Sorry, Robert, I've got a bit off-topic, but I agree with the poster who said that kowtowing to Islam cannot be disassociated from political correctness.)

Posted by: JFGR at March 25, 2007 9:18 AM

You know, it is high time we give the kind of treatment our enemies deserve. If you lay a hand on one of our people, we take out a hundred of yours. If you kill any of our people, the multiple increase greatly, 1 to 500. We have shown we will not take the action necessary when these punk pig worshippers take our people to try them in a kangaroo koranic kourt and then lob off their heads in the name of a psuedo-god and his false prophet.
How much longer will we keep what we have before the spineless among us have control of not only congress but also of the oval office and then capitulate? Oh, that's right, they just did this week. The US Congress surrendered to the Iraqi insurgents and Baath party loyalists this week with a complete withdrawal by August 2008. Don't they realize what they have done? I think they fully realize, because the last time they were in such euphoria is when they helped the United States lose in Vietnam. They love to see America lose and they probably spent the rest of the night having multiple brain orgasms after they voted to surrender in Iraq. I guess maybe we hung Saddam a little to early. I mean if we were going to surrender, we probably should have surrendered to the Iraqi president we took out of power.
Some of this I say in jest, but the truth of the matter is we have surrendered in Iraq and the Iranians know it. They know we don't have the political will to do anything to them regardless of what they do. I am to the point that if the little hadji Ahmadinejad nuked Israel or our own forces, our Congress would call for peace talks immediately and be willing to give up the entire farm as long as they got to keep their individual wealth.
1979 was the time, so this sore has been festering for about twenty-eight years, so I guess this is long over due. We had another spineless democrat at the helm then and we now have his political children and grandchildren carrying on his legacy of appeasement, cowardice and failure. Hell, we might as well elect Governor Carter again to the Oval, he couldn't do any worse than the current crop of Demoncrat hopefuls would.
The Reagan revolution cured a lot of the ills of the Carter failure. It is time for that revolution to regain its strength and realize the importance of what President Reagan began. It is time for a Reagan-like leader to take back the Presidency from the psuedo-conservatives and give the dems a real thrombosis.

Posted by: DavidH at March 25, 2007 9:40 AM

Photo with machingegun

Kommersant photos wall and gun

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Ahmadinejad hostages photo Kommersant

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The following is about the group photo

Jawa ReportMahmoud Ahmadinejad Photo Debunked:

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Ox Rant " We've been looking at THE WRONG GUY!!!"

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Ahmadinejad hostages photo

Hostage taker then? Hostage taker now?

He is trying to relive his youth? Glory days in a young jihadi's life? This time he gets to be the one in charge? Not just manning a wall?

He will live in history as one of the great hostage takers?

Posted by: Old Atlantic at March 25, 2007 9:42 AM

read your Bible and if you have not accepted salvation, do so...."

I was wondering how long it would take, amidst all the apocalyptic fantasies, for this irrelevancy to surface.

Not so irrelevant. These so called fantasies are what people are ultimately going to die for -- and that is a reality.

Posted by: witness at March 25, 2007 9:53 AM

America needs a Ronald Reagan, Britain needs a Thatcher

Posted by: The Resistance at March 25, 2007 9:54 AM

What can we expect when the West only seems willing to deliver 'hand-slap' sanctions on Iran despite the fact that the Iranian government is responsible for funding countless deadly attacks in Iraq and around the world since I was just a boy watching the hostage crisis.

We are in position to deliver pain to Iran as a punishment. We've paid in blood for those positions (Iraq and Afghanistan). It's high time we made use of them and cut the head off the snake!

I'm starting to believe real leadership is dead on this planet.

Posted by: Foehammer at March 25, 2007 10:05 AM

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Iran reminds me of a desperate stalker trying to get the attention of an ex. There is no longer a relationship with the West that other Middle Eastern countries "enjoy" since they screwed up with the American hostage crisis back in 79, so they will pull any stunt to get into talks with Western countries, even if the stunt is of a negative kind. It really shows the dysfunctional nature of Islam. While decrying the West, most of Islam's adherents are desperate and needy for some kind of relationship with the West. True stalker behaviour.
Posted by: londongirl

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Is Ahmadinejad that stalker? He is in fact the same stalker then and the same stalker now? He is the original Jihadi Stalker?

Posted by: Old Atlantic at March 25, 2007 10:16 AM

Right you are, Foehammer.

I'd rather see a thousand Hiroshimas blossom across the middle east than another free man or woman from the west die at the hands of these seventh century savages.

Posted by: Rowane at March 25, 2007 10:17 AM

There were lessons to be learned in the Great War. There were also lessons learned in the second world war. The problem with mankind is they never learn from mistakes in the past. History always repeats itself. This man Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is worst than Hitler and must be assassinated...

Posted by: The Resistance at March 25, 2007 10:23 AM

Margaret Thatcher was more of a man than Blair is. This situation should not have been allowed to escalate like it has...the HMS Cornwall should have fired on these Iranian interlopers before they were allowed to get to land. Why are the great militaries the west has left hamstrung by putrid politicians?

Posted by: FallaciFan at March 25, 2007 10:39 AM

" "read your Bible and if you have not accepted salvation, do so...."

I was wondering how long it would take, amidst all the apocalyptic fantasies, for this irrelevancy to surface. "

It sounds like you're calling the prophecies in Holy Scripture "fantasies".

Hmmm. If all of the numerous detailed prophecies re: the Messiah's first coming were fulfilled in Christ, don't you kinda think that all of the detailed prophecies re: His second coming will also come to pass? Yep, it's pretty much a "no brainer".

Posted by: Tookson at March 25, 2007 11:20 AM

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"The Reagan revolution cured a lot of the ills of the Carter failure. It is time for that revolution to regain its strength and realize the importance of what President Reagan began. It is time for a Reagan-like leader to take back the Presidency from the psuedo-conservatives and give the dems a real thrombosis." .................Posted by: DavidH

But, unfortunately, due to Bush's refusal to answer back to his political critics for all these years, don't bother looking for a Reagan-esque president any time soon. The American voter has been indoctrinated by the MSM. They have bought the lies of the these left wing propagandists as proven by the 06 elections, in which the cut and run DIMocrats swept Republicans out of power in the US House and Senate. In these most dangerous of times, an inept Bush, has laid the groundwork for the DIMocrat cowards/appeasers to be in power for at least the next ten years.

Posted by: RED at March 25, 2007 11:46 AM

If the Iranian bastards harm one of our naval personnel, then the entire country should face our wrath. If the unthinkable happens, then please can it be a British submarine that fires the first cruise missiles. Once the command infrastructure is gone, then hopefully our American brothers will roll out the B52's, as many of them as they can get in the air. No precision munitions, just dumb iron bombs, thousands of them, rolling across Tehran and all the other major cities until fu*k all is left standing. Then these 7th century assholes will be exactly that, a bunch of stone age morons without so much as two sticks to rub together. If we don't do this soon then they will develop nuclear weapons and use them. We should have done this after 9/11, why the hell do our politicians always leave things to the last minute, or until its too late. There should be no more dialog with Iran the diplomats and politicians have had their chance and fu*ked it up big time. Leave the solution to Military men with the balls to get the job done. Gutless politicians just tie our service-men's hands and allow people to be captured like this. No more!! time for hard actions. Destruction on a scale these morons cannot comprehend.

Posted by: Defender of The Realm at March 25, 2007 12:14 PM

Defender of The Realm: "No more!! time for hard actions. Destruction on a scale these morons cannot comprehend."

Only one problem my friend, we don't fight to win.

Posted by: sounder at March 25, 2007 12:40 PM

Only one problem my friend, we don't fight to win.

And worse still, we expect others not to fight to win when takingh on the Islamists. We cannot forget what happened 8 or so months ago, when the Lebanese arm of Iran, known as Hezbollah, rained missiles down onto Israel. Our weak, stupid, spineless and pathetic politicians, Bush and Rice amongst them, urged the Israelis to show restraint and not be disproportionate in their response, whilst our wicked, worthless and viciously antisemitic brain-dead media harped on about civilian casualties in Lebanon, and displayed all manner of doctored photographs to generate anti-Israeli hatred, as frightened Israeli civilians huddled together in air-raid shelters. The scene of appeasement and vacillation was set. We denied the Israelis the scope to defend themselves and annihilate these medieval savages, much to our cost, proving that we in the West are too dimwitted to realise that Israel's enemies are also OUR enemies.

Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at March 25, 2007 1:34 PM

And so right you are, Spirit Of 1683.

AND the whole consequence of the fiasco is: the ememy is(again), exponentially empowered.

Posted by: sounder at March 25, 2007 1:54 PM

From CNN;

BERLIN, Germany (AP) -- British Prime Minister Tony Blair said Sunday that the 15 British sailors and Royal Marines captured by Iran were not in Iranian waters and warned Tehran that Britain viewed their fate as a "fundamental" issue.

"It is simply not true that they went into Iranian territorial waters," Blair said at a news conference in Berlin, calling the situation "very serious."

"I want to get it resolved in as easy and diplomatic a way as possible," he said, but added he hoped the Iranians "understood how fundamental an issue this is for the British government."

"Fundamental", indeed it is!

Posted by: sounder at March 25, 2007 2:07 PM

The dimicrats in power for the next ten years. HaHaHaHoHoHoHeHeHe. Research elections of the past, it is completely predictable for the party in power to lose 30+ seats in an off year election. The dimicrats, in spite of a pres who has screwed up almost everything he has attempted still were able to “sweep” only half that number. Pathetic given the performance of the Pres. I was surprised that the mmm lies didn’t cause them to lose all their seats. The Pres may have low approval numbers but congress has him beat, in the race to the bottom. Who is going to win the presidency, Hmmm lets see, on their side they have a supremacist, a senator who seems unable to figure out what the men around her are doing, the rest are a bunch of dimwits and ufo enthusiasts. The dimicrats are playing bake sale politics for the Tupperware fools that they represent. I wish them lotsa luck with that, but maybe they will bring in their secret weapon, an imam to lead them in a pre victory prayer. I am looking at nutjob entering the race on the dimicrat side if the madi doesn’t show up. Can someone be the Pres of two countries at the same time?

Posted by: tgusa at March 25, 2007 2:29 PM

Seems our leader TB has spoken.
"I have not been commenting up to now because I want to get it resolved in as easy and diplomatic a way as possible, because it is the welfare of the people that have been taken by the Iranian government that is most important," he said.

"But this is a very serious situation."

Speaking from an EU meeting in Berlin, he said: "There is no doubt at all that these people were taken from a boat in Iraqi waters. It is simply not true that they went into Iranian territorial waters, and I hope the Iranian government understands how fundamental an issue this is for us.

"We have certainly sent the message back to them very clearly indeed. They should not be under any doubt at all about how seriously we regard this act, which is unjustified and wrong."

I do hope he has the balls to go all the way with this.

Posted by: ANonnyMouse at March 25, 2007 2:59 PM

"It sounds like you're calling the prophecies in Holy Scripture "fantasies".

Hmmm. If all of the numerous detailed prophecies re: the Messiah's first coming were fulfilled in Christ, don't you kinda think that all of the detailed prophecies re: His second coming will also come to pass? Yep, it's pretty much a "no brainer"."

Some of the apocalyptic fantasies I was thinking of:

“Britian attacks Iran for murdering her sailors...a nuclear weapon explodes in Iran.....”

“America and Britian level islamic sites across the middle east”

“WW3 is fully engaged...............
missiles fly across the world.....
all hell breaks loose..........
WW3 is coming and it can not be stopped........”

“[you] will not be prepared for the Rapture happens after the final horn which is after WW3”

It certainly is a "no-brainer", but not, I suspect, in the sense you had in mind.

Posted by: JFGR at March 25, 2007 3:04 PM

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The dimicrats in power for the next ten years. HaHaHaHoHoHoHeHeHe. Research elections of the past, it is completely predictable for the party in power to lose 30+ seats in an off year election..............Posted by: tgusa

Your incredulity and wishful thinking aside, think about the DIMocrat undermining of the president, the military and their own country in the WOT for the past four years, and still were rewarded with victory. This is the result of anti-Bush MSM propaganda, to which sorrowfully, Bush NEVER responded. Those facts, and Bush's approval of the open Mexican/US border, where anybody, workers or Islamists, can sneak into this country, sealed the DIMocrat victory. The left's non-stop criticism and namecalling, has usurped Bush's power and destroyed his credibilty, and the onslaught of MSM propaganda, the likes of which we've never seen, will lift to a deafening crescendo as we move towards the 08 Presidential elections.

Posted by: RED at March 25, 2007 3:04 PM

I think every Iranian"Diplomat" in every western country should be held as saboteurs and undocumented agents of foreign entities. Starting at the UN. It is a known fact that ALL Irani diplos are upper level Revolutionary Guard, PASDARAN, Al-Quds, etc, agents. Being an undocumented agent in a foreign country is an international crime. SWEEP

Posted by: SeifulKaffir at March 25, 2007 3:20 PM

RED, wishful thinking put aside I completely agree. There is a storm brewing on the immigration front, one the mmm has ignored but like a locomotive, they can only ignore it for so long before it runs them over. Check the recent treatment of mc-cain in Iowa regarding immigration.
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Posted by: tgusa at March 25, 2007 3:20 PM

The Brits let one of their main stream newspaper reporters be hanged as a "spy" by Saddam exactly 7 years ago this week (named Farzad Bazoft) and did nothing but have a few of his colleagues march around London ineffectually protesting his arrest until he was murdered by the Baathist state.

Since then, the UK has only gotten weaker.

They'll probably provide krytons or centrifuges secretly and get their troops back if the threat gets too hot.

Sic transit gloria mundi.

Posted by: profitsbeard at March 25, 2007 3:47 PM

The Brits let one of their main stream newspaper reporters be hanged as a "spy" by Saddam exactly 7 years ago this week (named Farzad Bazoft) and did nothing but have a few of his colleagues march around London ineffectually protesting his arrest until he was murdered by the Baathist state.

It was actually 17 years ago, back in 1990 when this happened.

Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at March 25, 2007 4:09 PM

Yea one could imagine that the worse the situation gets in the middle east the more people are going to ask what the U.S. is going to do about it.The question shot right back at you is what are you going to do about it?

The sad truth is that the iranians in the coalitions hands will soon be freed while chances are good that the brits in iran will either be killed or imprisoned.Or worse yet Britain will crack and sell thier soul to iran to get them back.

On another hand this should prove how far iran is willing to go to the security coucil for iran to get what it wants....the islamic way,the only way these people know how to act and think.

All that needs done is to declare mission accomplished,get out of iraq and wait for iran to make one wrong move and then send in the un manned planes and especially drop one right down that stinking well hole.

Lets welcome the madi back with some fireworks shall we.

Iran is just weak and is re realizing it.Iran and the rest of the muslim states are excellent at dieing and killing they just never ever learned how to live....some god allah is.I am so fed up with the words allah and muslims.A severe lesson in civility and humility is awaiting in the wings

Posted by: Dar al-harb at March 25, 2007 6:23 PM

By positions of index finger and thumb, he is indicating the size of his manhood.

Posted by: TI

Good one!

Though I'd suggest he's demonstrating to the minions his special toilet-paper-free islamic wudu washing technique.

Posted by: Allahfanculo at March 25, 2007 7:42 PM

And I find Dr Rice a conundrum. She is incredibly intelligent - so how is it that she is not seeing through Hamas's rhetoric?
And how is it that she cannot see that the problem is Islam?

Posted by: UK Infidel Lover

Could it be they're blinding her with ducats?

Posted by: Allahfanculo at March 25, 2007 7:44 PM

I spent the weekend with a friend who is married to an Iranian. He had just picked up his brother-in-law from SFO airport. He had arrived from Teheran via Amsterdam. It is not necessary to utterly destroy Iran, at least not just yet. Instead, No flight from Iran should be permitted to land at any NATO country's airport. No person whose flight originated in Iran should be permitted to enter the US. Europe needs to cut off all commerce with Iran. We might have to pay more for gasoline for a while; other prices would go up also. We would not, however, have to fire a shot, we would not need to kill anyone. If nations friendly to the UK isolated Iran economically, the Ayatollahs would fold.

Posted by: Alek at March 26, 2007 12:25 AM

JFGR--This irrelevant salvation will surely become very relevant when you eventually pass from this life and immediatly kneel before Jesus and then have the utter horror of knowing that your only chance of salvation was a choice that you could only make while living down here on this earthly plane and NOT after you pass away.

What if 1.5 billion of us Christians are right in our reading of the scriptures. Hmmmm.

I humbly submit that in view of the world situation as it is, that a re-examination of Gods love letter to mankind, i.e. the Bible, might be in order.

Im sure your beliefs are sincerely held, but none of us wants to be sincerely wrong; especially about matters as weighty as these.

Posted by: guide inside at March 26, 2007 5:19 AM

"What if 1.5 billion of us Christians are right in our reading of the scriptures. Hmmmm."

Pascal's wager brought in, I see (or perhaps "Fifty million Frenchmen can't be wrong"?)

"This irrelevant salvation will surely become very relevant when you eventually pass from this life and immediatly kneel before Jesus"

The latter clause has yet to be demonstrated, but the irrelevancy I was referring to is the irrelevancy, in practical politics, of bringing in religion to deal with Islam. Of course, if you have a fundamentalist faith (like our opponents), practical matters are in the end irrelevant when compared with salvation.

Posted by: JFGR at March 26, 2007 5:33 AM

Accuse soldiers in uniform of being spies? What a sad joke.

Posted by: DrWolffenstein at March 26, 2007 9:36 AM

JFGR--Of course 50 million of any ilk can be wrong--too many examples to mention.

I prefer to think of the RELEVANCY of religion, or rather faith, in the affairs of men as regards Wisdom transfered to the believers who ask for same, inspired by the bible verse that says-- "If any man lacks wisdom, let him ask of God who gives liberally and upbraids not." I think a strong case can be made of God "providentially" assisting generals and presidents in their quest for answers to crisis after crisis during our many conflicts (USA) over our short history as a nation. Sometimes Justice is required when God says enough is enough, and are we not rapidly approching such a time when we see the same spiritual entities (devils) that drove Hitler doing the same things thru other "Hitlers" now living on this planet.

Yes, very much relevant when His Wisdom produces the neccesary practical politics and, if necessary, the correct military maneuvers to handle this new "Hitler". I believe His Wisdom has been given to the west by all the tremendous increase in technology far surpassing anything possessed by those countrys not honoring God.

Posted by: guide inside at March 26, 2007 11:03 PM

Caption:
"I may be little, but I got the bomb!!"

Posted by: champ at March 27, 2007 12:41 AM

I think he is saying--"I found this booger stuck in my beard therefore someone must die"!!

Posted by: guide inside at March 27, 2007 1:34 AM

I was at work in the clinic and everyone who saw the pic agreed with me that he's saying "Why shouldn't I be angry? My Penis is this big!"

Posted by: Gorkhali at March 27, 2007 3:30 AM