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1) Taqiyya as a doctrine of religiously-sanctioned dissimulation originates in Shi'a Islam. And that is something that Sunnis like tell Infidels: "It's a Shi'a doctrine." In fact, a good example of this can be found in one of Tariq Ramadan's soft-spoken (so soft one could barely detect the serpentine hiss underneath his words, unless one already understood, in the well-prepared manner of Magdi Allam or Caroline Fourest, just what Frere Tariq was all about) essentially sinister appearances on "On Point," with the terminally ignorant (yet briskly self-confident withal) Tom Ashbrook. When a skeptical caller mentioned "taqiyya" Ramadan said quickly, "it is a Shi'a doctrine."
But if "taqiyya" is a Shi'a doctrine, the same kind of religious dissimulation can and has been derived independently from the texts -- Qur'an and Hadith -- of Islam. Robert Spencer shows that here.
Indeed, if one googles both "taqiyya" and "kitman" (the practice of "mental reservation" -- that is, of deliberately holding back, of not telling the whole story, the full truth, in order to protect the Faith from inquiring Infidels), one realizes that in history "taqiyya" deception has been practiced by Sunni Muslims, with Infidels, whenever they have felt it necessary. And that deception has, nota bene, the repeated sanction of Muhammad's own words, and his exemplary example.
2) The second thing to note about "taqiyya" being a doctrine that originates in Shi'a Islam is that this demonstrates something important.
What is that something? Well, we are hearing, and shall hear even more when the Americans (thank god) leave Tarbaby Iraq, that "those Americans caused the hostility in Iraq between formerly peaceful Sunnis and Shi'a who had always lived in harmony." A variant on this is equally false: the statement that "the Sunnis and Shi'a had always lived in harmony until Saddam Hussein came long." This is a phrase that is actually believed by some Iraqis -- even the "moderates," who also believe, just as dreamily, that "the Jews in Iraq had no problems until the creation of the state of Israel."
"Taqiyya" is a doctrine that goes back to early Islam and the persecution of Shi'a by Sunnis. The split between Shi'a and Sunni is not something that happened yesterday. It did not happen, like the Reformation in Christianity, after 1500 years of unity in the Western Church. It dates back to the first century of Islam. While some (such as the egregious Dinesh D'Souza) may wish to minimize those differences, or declare them, bizarrely, to be "political" rather than "religious" (apparently D'Souza missed his Master Lewis' discussion of how there is no split in the belief-system of Islam between the "religious" and the "political"), the depth and duration and above all, murderousness, of those divisions, could be seen a thousand years before the founding of the American Republic.
And the doctrine of "taqiyya" originates among the Shi'a who were told to dissimulate, not because the Americans or Israelis or British were coming, but because the Sunnis were coming, and how.
Taqiyya nonsense about the "real meaning of Jihad" is frequently on view at our nation’s universities. A little less than a year ago I was notified of one such display at the Harvard Divinity School. The public face of that particular public-relations effort was an Ahmadiyya Muslim, who perhaps had decided that his own very marginal and persecuted (as not being true Islam) sect was just the ticket for misleading both Infidels and possibly even a few thoroughly Westernized Muslims who are living in this country -- the ones who out of filial piety are eager to believe that the real Islam (that of the billion or so people living in Islamic societies) simply reflects a Big Misunderstanding. If we all pretend that "Jihad" doesn't mean what it means, will it go away?
No. It will not.
The site www.faithfreedom.org is one to be recommended as an antidote to taqiyya, to those who would like a view of Islam from its defectors. This is just as one would have learned most about Communism and the KGB (or the NKVD, or the Cheka) and the Comintern from defectors. Why are ex-Muslims not consulted? Why don’t the C.I.A. and the F.B.I. have them on the payroll? Why are they not brought in to lecture on how Muslims view the world, or the practice of taqiyya and kitman, and the really very repetitive means by which the nature of Islam is hidden from inspection -- through taqiyya and tu quoque, selective quotation, misinterpretation, ignoring of abrogation, and even a little overlooking of the Hadith and the Sira, so that only the Qur'an is discussed? Who can explain all of this better to that Innocent Creature, an FBI or CIA employee, than an ex-Muslim?
Posted by Hugh at March 27, 2007 8:36 AM
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at March 27, 2007 8:55 AM
"those Americans caused the hostility in Iraq between formerly peaceful Sunnis and Shi'a who had always lived in harmony." That is EXACTLY what I've heard on CNN (I believe it was also repeated by Farwaz Gerges -- yet another Christian Dhimmi, acting as Islam's mouthpiece...).
Another point about "'taqiyya' being a doctrine that originates in Shi'a Islam" -- heard this lie repeated on the CBC. Along with the additional whine about how the lying was done because the Shiites are an "oppressed people" -- lying is due to "oppression" -- yeah, that's it. "Taqiyya" is now worked into Islam's victimology routine. n.b. everything done by Muslims which is less than honest, less than virtuous, less than acceptable, is the result of "hardship" "oppression" and forced onto them by external "enemies." Always outsiders are the problem, problems never due to internal failures. (to admit the latter point would force a self-examination, a self-critique which Islam could not tolerate).
Posted by: J.S. at March 27, 2007 11:09 AM
Taqiya (deception) is a shia speciality. They have been practising it on the Sunnis for centuries. Thank God everyone can see through the shia deception.
Posted by: Abdullah at March 27, 2007 11:16 AM
Abdu----, if A and B are liars and A says:"B is the only liar", could that be true?
Posted by: Excommie at March 27, 2007 11:29 AM
Yes, Abdullah, "thank god everyone can see through the Shi'a deception."
Posted by: Hugh at March 27, 2007 12:11 PM
"Taqiya (deception) is a shia speciality. They have been practising it on the Sunnis for centuries." Yes, and the Sunni have been practicing Taqiya on the Shi'a and the Infidels since the dawn of Islam.
Posted by: J.S. at March 27, 2007 12:45 PM
Taqiyya actually is cultural of the region of Mesopotamia which derives from the original initiate of the "mystery religion" whose demonic revelators shared the "hidden knowledge" to the practitioners of the false light.
It manifested in the Nimrod sun god and his wife Semiramis fertility goddess religions. They were the originators of stealing the Plan of God in redemption and Islam under Muhammed undertook the same "just enough deception" from the Truth of God to create a false religion which takes people away from God.
That is where Lewis and D'Souza in reading books have no comprehension where this "hidden meaning" comes from. They attach all to Islam, but it is not Islam. Islam is but a manifestation of the ancient rites.
Muhammed in his "spells" was a practitioner either by choice or being chosen for demonic oracles which were based on heresay and added to in order to create this violent medieval system of oppression.
It is complicated, but unless one has full knowledge of the Light and understand the practitioners of the mystery in what they are attempting, one will never understand what Islam is or what is driving it.
I do not state this to offend Muslims, but it is a soul cancer and they will never figure out no more than experts like Lewis will as none of them understand just what they have released in practice.
That region brims with the princes, some loose and some shackled for now. They all deal in the secrets though in the generational descent.
at March 27, 2007 3:09 PM
Fitzgerald writes: "A little less than a year ago I was notified of one such display at the Harvard Divinity School."
Here are some excerpts from a 2003 speech given by William A. Graham, Dean of Harvard Divinity School, an alumni event in Washington, D.C. Dean Graham is also the Murray A. Albertson Professor of Middle Eastern Studies at Harvard.
"Everyone, of course, posits September 11 as the watershed moment when Islam impinges on consciousness. That is a very sad commentary on our knowledge about this major world tradition of culture and of religion. What is also sad is the kind of attitude that has been furthered by my colleague at Harvard, Samuel Huntington."
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"Starting with September 11 this so-called "clash of civilizations," to take the title of article and book, has now become a watchword of foreign policy, probably not only here but in other places in the Western world. In large part, this happened because it felt good as a basic premise for those who like to think about the world in terms of "the West and the rest."
...
"Despite the sometimes admirable attempts of the current politicians here in the capital to make irenic comments about Islam and about Muslims, I am afraid actions are speaking louder than words. What I see, currently, is an unwillingness to think about Islam as anything except an "other" that belongs to some monolith that is the big, present danger in the world."
"We have the proclaimed new "Green Menace" that is supposed to replace the Communist Red Menace of our previous xenophobia. This one happens to be the xenophobia of the moment, and I fear that it may go on being that for some time."
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http://www.hds.harvard.edu/news/bulletin/articles/graham.html
at March 27, 2007 3:48 PM
"2003 speech given by William A. Graham, Dean of Harvard Divinity School, an alumni event in Washington, D.C. Dean Graham is also the Murray A. Albertson Professor of Middle Eastern Studies at Harvard."
-- from a posting above
Graham is a well-known apologist for Islam, and he dances to Leila Ahmed's tune, and possibly that of Diana Eck as well. Both Eck and Graham were enlisted by Ahmed in an attempt to get Omid Safi appointed to the Divinity School. But that was a bit too much even for Harvard's often-compliant faculty at the Divinity School. Graham somehow has managed to elide the tenure problem; denied it by his own department, he ended up as an administrator when a hasty replacement had to be found for his predecessor. One wonders if, as part of the deal, he was given, most irregularly, tenure -- despite that departmental vote.
Anything, and everything, is possible.
at March 27, 2007 3:54 PM
Taqiya was advocated by the prophet of islam much before his death. In fact, the split of the religion into shia and sunni came much after the death of the prophet.
But then, if taqiya is the case, how much of islam is true ? Is islam a bunch of lies right from the start ?
Posted by: proud-hindu at March 28, 2007 7:09 AM
Taqiya was advocated by the prophet of islam much before his death. In fact, the split of the religion into shia and sunni came much after the death of the prophet.
But then, if taqiya is the case, how much of islam is true ? Is islam a bunch of lies right from the start ?
Posted by: proud-hindu at March 28, 2007 7:09 AM
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