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March 28, 2007

Fitzgerald: Success in Tal Afar

Little more than a year ago, in Cleveland, President Bush delivered a speech, and at great length told the audience all about the "success" of his "strategy" in Tal Afar, a model city in what will be Iraq the Model (that's right -- Sunni Arab regimes everywhere will look on Shi'a dominated Iraq as a splendid model of what they can be, if only they get with the program).

Here is that speech. Read it, and weep, as a celebrated writer offhandedly wrote, "like a Babylonian willow":

President Discusses War on Terror and Operation Iraqi Freedom Renaissance Cleveland Hotel Cleveland, Ohio

12:25 P.M. EST

THE PRESIDENT: Thank you all. (Applause.) Thank you all. Please be seated. Sanjiv, thanks for the introduction. He called me on the phone and said, listen, we believe in free speech, so you're going to come and give us a speech for free. (Laughter.) Thanks for the invitation, thanks for the warm welcome. It's good to be here at the City Club of Cleveland.

For almost a century, you have provided an important forum for debate and discussion on the issues of the day. And I have come to discuss a vital issue of the day, which is the safety and security of every American -- and our need to achieve victory in the war on terror.

I want to thank the Mayor for joining us. Mr. Mayor, appreciate you being here. (Applause.) It must make you feel pretty good to get the "Most Liveable City" award. (Laughter.) I want to thank all the members of the City Club for graciously inviting me to come. I want to thank the students who are here. Thanks for your interest in your government. I look forward to giving you a speech and then answering questions, if you have any.

The central front on the war on terror is Iraq. And in the past few weeks, we've seen horrific images coming out of that country. We've seen a great house of worship -- the Golden Mosque of Samarra -- in ruins after a brutal terrorist attack. We have seen reprisal attacks by armed militia on Sunni mosques. We have seen car bombs take the lives of shoppers in a crowded market in Sadr City. We've seen the bodies of scores of Iraqi men brutally executed or beaten to death.

The enemies of a free Iraq attacked the Golden Mosque for a reason: They know they lack the military strength to challenge Iraqi and coalition forces in a direct battle, so they're trying to provoke a civil war. By attacking one of Shia Islam's holiest sites, they hoped to incite violence that would drive Iraqis apart and stop their progress on the path to a free society.

The timing of the attack in Samarra is no accident. It comes at a moment when Iraq's elected leaders are working to form a unity government. Last December, four short months ago, more than 11 million people expressed their opinion. They said loud and clear at the ballot box that they desire a future of freedom and unity. And now it is time for the leaders to put aside their differences, reach out across political, religious, and sectarian lines, and form a unity government that will earn the trust and the confidence of all Iraqis. My administration, led by Ambassador Zal Khalilzad, is helping, and will continue to help the Iraqis achieve this goal.

The situation on the ground remains tense. And in the face of continued reports about killings and reprisals, I understand how some Americans have had their confidence shaken. Others look at the violence they see each night on their television screens, and they wonder how I can remain so optimistic about the prospects of success in Iraq. They wonder what I see that they don't. So today I'd like to share a concrete example of progress in Iraq that most Americans do not see every day in their newspapers and on their television screens. I'm going to tell you the story of a northern Iraqi city called Tal Afar, which was once a key base of operations for al Qaeda and is today a free city that gives reason for hope for a free Iraq.

Tal Afar is a city of more than 200,000 residents, roughly the population of Akron, Ohio. In many ways, Tal Afar is a microcosm of Iraq: It has dozens of tribes of different ethnicity and religion. Most of the city residents are Sunnis of Turkmen origin. Tal Afar sits just 35 miles from the Syrian border. It was a strategic location for al Qaeda and their leader, Zarqawi. Now, it's important to remember what Al Qaeda has told us, their stated objectives. Their goal is to drive us out of Iraq so they can take the country over. Their goal is to overthrow moderate Muslim governments throughout the region. Their goal is to use Iraq as a base from which to launch attacks against America. To achieve this goal, they're recruiting terrorists from the Middle East to come into Iraq to infiltrate its cities, and to sow violence and destruction so that no legitimate government can exercise control. And Tal Afar was a key way station for their operations in Iraq.

After we removed Saddam Hussein in April 2003, the terrorists began moving into the city. They sought to divide Tal Afar's many ethnic and religious groups, and forged an alliance of convenience with those who benefitted from Saddam's regime and others with their own grievances. They skillfully used propaganda to foment hostility toward the coalition and the new Iraqi government. They exploited a weak economy to recruit young men to their cause. And by September 2004, the terrorists and insurgents had basically seized control of Tal Afar.

We recognized the situation was unacceptable. So we launched a military operation against them. After three days of heavy fighting, the terrorists and the insurgents fled the city. Our strategy at the time was to stay after the terrorists and keep them on the run. So coalition forces kept moving, kept pursuing the enemy and routing out the terrorists in other parts of Iraq

Unfortunately, in 2004 the local security forces there in Tal Afar weren't able to maintain order, and so the terrorists and the insurgents eventually moved back into the town. Because the terrorists threatened to murder the families of Tal Afar's police, its members rarely ventured out from the headquarters in an old Ottoman fortress. The terrorists also took over local mosques, forcing local imams out and insisting that the terrorist message of hatred and intolerance and violence be spread from the mosques. The same happened in Tal Afar's schools, where the terrorists eliminated real education and instead indoctrinated young men in their hateful ideology. By November 2004, two months after our operation to clear the city, the terrorists had returned to continue their brutal campaign of intimidation.

The return of al Qaeda meant the innocent civilians in Tal Afar were in a difficult position. Just put yourself in the shoes of the citizens of Tal Afar as all this was happening. On the one side, you hear coalition and Iraqi forces saying they're coming to protect you -- but they'd already come in once, and they had not stopped the terrorists from coming back. You worry that when the coalition goes after the terrorists, you or your family may be caught in the crossfire, and your city might be destroyed. You don't trust the police. You badly want to believe the coalition forces really can help you out, but three decades of Saddam's brutal rule have taught you a lesson: Don't stick your neck out for anybody.

On the other side, you see the terrorists and the insurgents. You know they mean business. They control the only hospital in town. You see that the mayor and other political figures are collaborating with the terrorists. You see how the people who worked as interpreters for the coalition forces are beheaded. You see a popular city councilman gunned down in front of his horrified wife and children. You see a respected Sheik and an Imam kidnapped and murdered. You see the terrorists deliberately firing mortars into playgrounds and soccer fields filled with children. You see communities becoming armed enclaves. If you are in a part of Tal Afar that was not considered friendly, you see that the terrorists cut off your basic services like electricity and water. You and your family feel besieged and you see no way out.

The savagery of the terrorists and insurgents who controlled Tal Afar is really hard for Americans to imagine. They enforced their rule through fear and intimidation -- and women and children were not spared. In one grim incident, the terrorists kidnapped a young boy from the hospital and killed him And then they booby-trapped his body and placed him along a road where his family would see him. And when the boy's father came to retrieve his son's body, he was blown up. These weren't random acts of violence; these were deliberate and highly organized attempts to maintain control through intimidation. In Tal Afar, the terrorists had schools for kidnapping and beheading and laying IEDs. And they sent a clear message to the citizens of the city: Anyone who dares oppose their reign of terror will be murdered.

As they enforced their rule by targeting civilians, they also preyed upon adolescents craving affirmation. Our troops found one Iraqi teenager who was taken from his family by the terrorists. The terrorists routinely abused him and violated his dignity. The terrorists offered him a chance to prove his manhood -- by holding the legs of captives as they were beheaded. When our forces interviewed this boy, he told them that his greatest aspiration was to be promoted to the killer who would behead the bound captives. Al Qaeda's idea of manhood may be fanatical and perverse, but it served two clear purposes: It helped provide recruits willing to commit any atrocity, and it enforced the rule of fear.

The result of this barbarity was a city where normal life had virtually ceased. Colonel H.R. McMaster of the Third Armored Cavalry Regiment described it this way: "When you come into a place in the grip of al Qaeda, you see a ghost town. There are no children playing in the streets. Shops are closed and boarded. All construction is stopped. People stay inside, prisoners in their own homes." This is the brutal reality that al Qaeda wishes to impose on all the people of Iraq.

The ability of al Qaeda and its associates to retake Tal Afar was an example of something we saw elsewhere in Iraq. We recognized the problem, and we changed our strategy. Instead of coming in and removing the terrorists, and then moving on, the Iraqi government and the coalition adopted a new approach called clear, hold, and build. This new approach was made possible because of the significant gains made in training large numbers of highly capable Iraqi security forces. Under this new approach, Iraq and coalition -- Iraqi and coalition forces would clear a city of the terrorists, leave well-trained Iraqi units behind to hold the city, and work with local leaders to build the economic and political infrastructure Iraqis need to live in freedom.

One of the first tests of this new approach was Tal Afar. In May 2005, Colonel McMaster's unit was given responsibility for the western part of Nineva Province where Tal Afar is located, and two months later Iraq's national government announced that a major offensive to clear the city of the terrorists and insurgents would soon be launched. Iraqi and coalition forces first met with tribal leaders and local residents to listen to their grievances. One of the biggest complaints was the police force, which rarely ventured out of its headquarters. When it did venture, it was mostly to carry out sectarian reprisals. And so the national government sent out new leaders to head the force. The new leaders set about getting rid of the bad elements, and building a professional police force that all sides could have confidence in. We recognized it was important to listen to the representatives of Tal Afar's many ethnic and religious groups. It's an important part of helping to remove one of the leading sources of mistrust.

Next, Iraqi and army coalition forces spent weeks preparing for what they knew would be a tough military offensive. They built an 8-foot high, 12-mile long dirt wall that ringed the city. This wall was designed to cut off any escape for terrorists trying to evade security checkpoints. Iraqi and coalition forces also built temporary housing outside the city, so that Tal Afar's people would have places to go when the fighting started. Before the assault on the city, Iraqi and coalition forces initiated a series of operations in surrounding towns to eliminate safe havens and make it harder for fleeing terrorists to hide. These steps took time, but as life returned to these outlying towns, these operations helped persuade the population of Tal Afar that Iraqi and coalition forces were on their side against a common enemy: the extremists who had taken control of their city and their lives.

Only after all these steps did Iraqi and coalition authorities launch Operation Restoring Rights to clear the city of the terrorists. Iraqi forces took the lead. The primary force was 10 Iraqi battalions, backed by three coalition battalions. Many Iraqi units conducted their own anti-terrorist operations and controlled their own battle space, hunting for the enemy fighters and securing neighborhoods block by block. Throughout the operation, Iraqi and coalition forces were careful to hold their fire to let civilians pass safely out of the city. By focusing on securing the safety of Tal Afar's population, the Iraqi and coalition forces begin to win the trust of the city's residents -- which is critical to defeating the terrorists who were hiding among them.

After about two weeks of intense activity, coalition and Iraqi forces had killed about 150 terrorists and captured 850 more. The operation uncovered weapons caches loaded with small arms ammunition and ski masks, RPG rockets, grenade and machine gun ammunition, and fuses and batteries for making IEDs. In one cache we found an axe inscribed with the names of the victims the terrorists had beheaded. And the operation accomplished all this while protecting innocent civilians and inflicting minimal damage on the city.

After the main combat operations were over, Iraqi forces moved in to hold the city. Iraqis' government deployed more than a thousand Iraqi army soldiers and emergency police to keep order, and they were supported by a newly restored police force that would eventually grow to about 1,700 officers. As part of the new strategy we embedded coalition forces with the Iraqi police and with the army units patrolling Tal Afar to work with their Iraqi counterparts and to help them become more capable and more professional. In the weeks and months that followed, the Iraqi police built stations throughout Tal Afar -- and city residents began stepping forward to offer testimony against captured terrorists, and inform soldiers about where the remaining terrorists were hiding.

Inside the old Ottoman fortress, a Joint Coordination Center manned by Iraqi army and Iraqi police and coalition forces answers the many phone calls that now come into a new tip line. As a result of the tips, when someone tries to plant an IED in Tal Afar, it's often reported and disabled before it can do any harm. The Iraqi forces patrolling the cities are effective because they know the people, they know the language and they know the culture. And by turning control of these cities over to capable Iraqi troops and police, we give Iraqis confidence that they can determine their own destiny -- and that frees up coalition forces to hunt the high-value targets like Zarqawi.

The recent elections show us how Iraqis respond when they know they're safe Tal Afar is the largest city in Western Nineveh Province. In the elections held in January 2005, of about 190,000 registered voters, only 32,000 people went to the polls. Only Fallujah had a lower participation rate. By the time of the October referendum on the constitution and the December elections, Iraqi and coalition forces had secured Tal Afar and surrounding areas. The number of registered voters rose to about 204,000 -- and more than 175,000 turned out to vote in each election, more than 85 percent of the eligible voters in Western Nineva Province. These citizens turned out because they were determined to have a say in their nation's future, and they cast their ballots at polling stations that were guarded and secured by fellow Iraqis.

One young teacher described the change this way: "What you see here is hope -- the hope that Iraq will become safer and fairer. I feel very confident when I see so many people voting."

The confidence that has been restored to the people of Tal Afar is crucial to their efforts to rebuild their city. Immediately following the military operations, we helped the Iraqis set up humanitarian relief for the civilian population. We also set up a fund to reimburse innocent Iraqi families for damage done to their homes and businesses in the fight against the terrorists. The Iraqi government pledged $50 million to help reconstruct Tal Afar by paving roads, and rebuilding hospitals and schools, and by improving infrastructure from the electric grid to sewer and water systems. With their city now more secure, the people of Tal Afar are beginning to rebuild a better future for themselves and their children.

See, if you're a resident of Tal Afar today, this is what you're going to see: You see that the terrorist who once exercised brutal control over every aspect of your city has been killed or captured, or driven out, or put on the run. You see your children going to school and playing safely in the streets. You see the electricity and water service restored throughout the city. You see a police force that better reflects the ethnic and religious diversity of the communities they patrol. You see markets opening, and you hear the sound of construction equipment as buildings go up and homes are remade. In short, you see a city that is coming back to life.

The success of Tal Afar also shows how the three elements of our strategy in Iraq -- political, security, and economic -- depend on and reinforce one another. By working with local leaders to address community grievances, Iraqi and coalition forces helped build the political support needed to make the military operation a success. The military success against the terrorists helped give the citizens of Tal Afar security, and this allowed them to vote in the elections and begin to rebuild their city. And the economic rebuilding that is beginning to take place is giving Tal Afar residents a real stake in the success of a free Iraq. And as all this happens, the terrorists, those who offer nothing but destruction and death, are becoming marginalized.

The strategy that worked so well in Tal Afar did not emerge overnight -- it came only after much trial and error. It took time to understand and adjust to the brutality of the enemy in Iraq. Yet the strategy is working. And we know it's working because the people of Tal Afar are showing their gratitude for the good work that Americans have given on their behalf. A recent television report followed a guy named Captain Jesse Sellars on patrol, and described him as a "pied piper" with crowds of Iraqi children happily chanting his name as he greets locals with the words "Salaam alaikum," which mean "peace be with you."

When the newswoman asks the local merchant what would have happened a few months earlier if he'd been seen talking with an American, his answer was clear: "They'd have cut off my head, they would have beheaded me." Like thousands of others in Tal Afar, this man knows the true meaning of liberation.

Recently, Senator Joe Biden said that America cannot want peace for Iraqis more than they want it for themselves. I agree with that. And the story of Tal Afar shows that when Iraqis can count on a basic level of safety and security, they can live together peacefully. We saw this in Tal Afar after the bombing of the Golden Mosque in Samarra. Unlike other parts of Iraq, in Tal Afar the reaction was subdued, with few reports of sectarian violence. Actually, on the Friday after the attack, more than a thousand demonstrators gathered in Tal Afar to protest the attack peacefully.

The terrorists have not given up in Tal Afar, and they may yet succeed in exploding bomb or provoking acts of sectarian violence. The people of the city still have many challenges to overcome, including old-age [sic] resentments that still create suspicion, an economy that needs to create jobs and opportunity for its young, and determined enemies who will continue trying to foment a civil war to move back in. But the people of Tal Afar have shown why spreading liberty and democracy is at the heart of our strategy to defeat the terrorists. The people of Tal Afar have shown that Iraqis do want peace and freedom, and no one should underestimate them.

I wish I could tell you that the progress made in Tal Afar is the same in every single part of Iraq. It's not. Though most of the country has remained relatively peaceful, in some parts of Iraq the enemy is carrying out savage acts of violence, particularly in Baghdad and the surrounding areas of Baghdad. But the progress made in bringing more Iraqi security forces online is helping to bring peace and stability to Iraqi cities. The example of Tal Afar gives me confidence in our strategy, because in this city we see the outlines of the Iraq that we and the Iraqi people have been fighting for: a free and secure people who are getting back on their feet, who are participating in government and civic life, and who have become allies in the fight against the terrorists.

I believe that as Iraqis continue to see the benefits of liberty they will gain confidence in their future -- and they will work to ensure that common purpose trumps narrow sectarianism. And by standing with them in their hour of need, we're going to help the Iraqis build a strong democracy that will be an inspiration throughout the Middle East; a democracy that will be a partner in the global war against the terrorists.

The kind of progress that we and the Iraqi people are making in places like Tal Afar is not easy to capture in a short clip on the evening news. Footage of children playing, or shops opening, and people resuming their normal lives will never be as dramatic as the footage of an IED explosion, or the destruction of a mosque, or soldiers and civilians being killed or injured. The enemy understands this, and it explains their continued acts of violence in Iraq. Yet the progress we and the Iraqi people are making is also real. And those in a position to know best are the Iraqis, themselves.

One of the most eloquent is the Mayor of Tal Afar, a courageous Iraqi man named Najim. Mayor Najim arrived in the city in the midst of the al Qaeda occupation, and he knows exactly what our troops have helped accomplish. He calls our men and women in uniform "lion-hearts," and in a letter to the troopers of the Third Armored Cavalry Regiment, he spoke of a friendship sealed in blood and sacrifice. As Mayor Najim had this to say to the families of our fallen: "To the families of those who have given their holy blood for our land, we all bow to you in reverence and to the souls of your loved ones. Their sacrifice was not in vain. They are not dead, but alive, and their souls [are] hovering around us every second of every minute. They will not be forgotten for giving their precious lives. They have sacrificed that which is most valuable. We see them in the smile of every child, and in every flower growing in this land. Let America, their families, and the world be proud of their sacrifice for humanity and life." America is proud of that sacrifice, and we're proud to have allies like Mayor Najim on our side in the fight for freedom.

Yesterday we marked the third anniversary of the start of Operation Iraqi Freedom. At the time there is much to -- this time, there's much discussion in our country about the removal of Saddam Hussein from power and our remaining mission in Iraq. The decision to remove Saddam Hussein was a difficult decision; the decision to remove Saddam Hussein was the right decision. (Applause.)

Before we acted, his regime was defying U.N. resolutions calling for it to disarm; it was violating cease-fire agreements, was firing on British and American pilots which were enforcing no-fly zones. Saddam Hussein was a leader who brutalized his people, had pursued and used weapons of mass destruction, and sponsored terrorism. Today Saddam Hussein is no longer oppressing his people or threatening the world. He's being tried for his crimes by the free citizens of a free Iraq -- and America and our allies are safer for it. (Applause.)

The last three years have tested our resolve. The fighting has been tough. The enemy we face has proved to be brutal and relentless. We're adapting our approach to reflect the hard realities on the ground. And the sacrifice being made by our young men and women who wear our uniform has been heartening and inspiring.

The terrorists who are setting off bombs in mosques and markets in Iraq share the same hateful ideology as the terrorists who attacked us on September the 11th, 2001, those who blew up commuters in London and Madrid, and those who murdered tourists in Bali, or workers in Riyadh, or guests at a wedding in Amman, Jordan. In the war on terror we face a global enemy -- and if we were not fighting this enemy in Iraq, they would not be idle. They would be plotting and trying to kill Americans across the world and within our own borders. Against this enemy, there can be no compromise. So we will fight them in Iraq, we'll fight them across the world, and we will stay in the fight until the fight is won.

In the long run, the best way to defeat this enemy and to ensure the security of our own citizens is to spread the hope of freedom across the broader Middle East. We've seen freedom conquer evil and secure the peace before. In World War II, free nations came together to fight the ideology of fascism, and freedom prevailed. And today, Germany and Japan are democracies -- and they are allies in securing the peace. In the Cold War, freedom defeated the ideology of communism and led to a democratic movement that freed the nations of Central and Eastern Europe from Soviet domination. And today, these nations are strong allies in the war on terror.

In the Middle East, freedom is once again contending with an ideology that seeks to sow anger and hatred and despair. And like fascism and communism before, the hateful ideologies that use terror will be defeated. Freedom will prevail in Iraq; freedom will prevail in the Middle East; and as the hope of freedom spreads to nations that have not known it, these countries will become allies in the cause of peace.

The security of our country is directly linked to the liberty of the Iraqi people -- and we will settle for nothing less than victory. Victory will come when the terrorists and Saddamists can no longer threaten Iraq's democracy, when the Iraqi security forces can provide for the safety of their citizens on their own, and when Iraq is not a safe haven for terrorists to plot new attacks against our nation. There will be more days of sacrifice and tough fighting before the victory is achieved. Yet by helping the Iraqis defeat the terrorists in their land, we bring greater security to our own.

As we make progress toward victory, Iraqis will continue to take more responsibility for their own security, and fewer U.S. forces will be needed to complete the mission. But it's important for the Iraqis to hear this: The United States will not abandon Iraq. We will not leave that country to the terrorists who attacked America and want to attack us again. We will leave Iraq, but when we do, it will be from a position of strength, not weakness. Americans have never retreated in the face of thugs and assassins, and we will not begin now. (Applause.)

Thanks for listening. (Applause.) And I'll be glad to answer some questions, if you have any.

Yes, I have one.

Could you tell us how it is, four years into a war, after 3,250 dead and 25,000 wounded, and nearly one trillion dollars either spent or committed, that you cannot figure out how the only outcome in Iraq that will actually weaken the Camp of Islam is offered not by your stated, naive, ill-informed goal, but by the opposite -- by the American troops leaving, and letting those sectarian and ethnic fissures work to divide and demoralize and weaken the Camp of Islam, and to use up Muslim energies, Muslim men, money, materiel (not only in Iraq, but from co-religioinists outside Iraq)?

How is it that you remain so completely oblivious to this, and so, apparently, do so many of those merely military men who advise you? They are "merely" military men in the sense that they have not understood the need to understand and to thoroughly assimilate the tenets of Islam, the attitudes of Islam, the atmospherics of Islam. Nor have they understood the necessity not to accept but to reject the "mission" as defined, however vaguely and incompletely and even at times incoherently, by Bush, Cheney, Rice, and their stout loyalists among the "counter-insurgency" experts who fail to realize there is not one but a dozen "insurgencies," and that every single one of them, whatever the hatreds within Islam, is also directed, in the end, against Americans as Infidels. They do not understand that any "general laws of counter-insurgency" as to techniques, or as to duration, are simply silly unless Islam itself is understood, and the goals of the Iraq operation redefined to be what they should always have been, whether publicly stated or not: not to bring "freedom" ("democracy," "prosperity," whatever the hell else you want to stick in here that sounds good) to the "ordinary moms and dads" in the Middle East, but only to weaken the Camp of Islam and Jihad.

And that can only be achieved, in Tel Afar as in Baghdad or Basra or Kirkuk, by getting out, and stopping the squandering of American resources, and doing such damage, incredible damage, to the military. That damages begins but does not end with the morale of the civilian army, that is plummteing because those who have served in Iraq once, however inarticulate some may be in expressing their views, know that the "mission" makes no sense and that the "Iraqi people" are not wonderful, are not grateful, are in fact on the whole deeply hostile. It is madness to sacrifice American soldiers, such as the boy from Maine blown up the other day while he was -- in what is a grim metaphor for the American winning of unwinnable hearts and minds -- handing out candy to Iraqi children, the ones still young enough (below the age of 10) not to be taught, quite enough, to hate the Americans.

Basta with Bush and the dream-palace, in Ajami's phrase, of his imaginary Arabs, and his imaginary Islam, and his imaginary Iraq.

Posted by Hugh at March 28, 2007 11:32 AM
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HE'S A HOOT!

"As we make progress toward victory, Iraqis will continue to take more responsibility for their own security, and fewer U.S. forces will be needed to complete the mission."
(Laughter)

But it's important for the Iraqis to hear this: The United States will not abandon Iraq. We will not leave that country to the terrorists who attacked America and want to attack us again.
(Catcalls, boos, whistles, laughter)

We will leave Iraq, but when we do, it will be from a position of strength, not weakness.
(Guffaws, whistles, more laughter)

Americans have never retreated in the face of thugs and assassins, and we will not begin now.
(Laughter)

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 28, 2007 11:48 AM

Factual correction: Bush delivered this speech in March 2006, not a week ago.

Posted by: teachingmyown [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 28, 2007 11:56 AM

This speech reminds me of another great liberator - comrade Vladimir Ilich Ulianov-Lenin, saying that communism can be victorious in one separate country. Here, another elusive ghost - Iraqi Democracy - can be achived in one separate town...or one separate quarter...or block...or household.

God help us!

Posted by: Excommie [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 28, 2007 12:08 PM

Babylonian willow? They played cricket in Babylon?

Posted by: Infidel Pride [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 28, 2007 12:22 PM

Bush was, and sad to say, reamins COMPLETELY CLUELESS about the history of that region, about Arab tribalism, the situation with the Kurds, and most of all about Islam. We will be paying a heavy price for his foolishness and ignorance for a long time to come I fear.

He should read David Pryce-Jones' "The CLosed Circle: An Interpretation of the Arabs" as well as this site and Robert's books. Fat chance, I know, but hope springs eternal...

Posted by: BunrattyBill [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 28, 2007 12:49 PM

"Babylonian willow? They played cricket in Babylon?"
-- from a posting above

The weeping willow takes its name, Salix babylonica, from the weeping of the Hebrews in their Babylonian captivity. Super flumina Babylonis, by the waters of Babylon, I sat down and wept.

So a word to the wise above: this willow is not to be found in Wisden.

Posted by: Hugh [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 28, 2007 12:59 PM

In not speaking for President Bush, but to answer the policy which you are advocating in Islam consuming itself:
The Islamocommunists and Islamofascists of the neo Syrian Philistines in Gaza and the West Bank were intitiated onto this course the past year and the outcome was a few dead and a reunited force now against the Israeli state.

The same outcome would occur in Iraq and all over the region with American withdrawl. America would be seen as weak and confirm bin Laden's "American cut and run of Somalia under Bill Clinton" which would have the Saudi's abandon America and switch from the dollar currency to the euro which would implode the United States economy into depression.

The Muslims then united would bring the attack to America to "make Yazid pay" and the emboldened Muslims of Europe would open up an entire front of civil war. This time though Pakistani, Saudi and Iranian nuclear missiles would be the sheild of Islamic revolution to topple the socialists in Europe.

This pinning action would then allow Russia to expand and "come to the aid" of it's Islamic allies in implementing Putin's Bolshevik Dublin to Moscow European super state.

That is the outcome of your foreign policy which would have America awaiting nuclear attacks to finish our nation off as we sit in a 1930's depression state surrounded by a coming Eurasian world war.
A trillion dollars compared to the loss of the world including America and thousands of invested US soldiers compared to millions wasted in a world war.

I have great respect for you Mr. Fitzgerald, but calling President Bush naive is not a kind thing. The President would have implemented your policy in a second if the war game planner scenarios showed Islamic implosion would work. This wave can not be stopped and only directed and right now phase 2 which was tried to stop this is now moving to phase 3 where a bleeding war of real numbers of people in the millions will die in the Middle East in an attempt to save billions.

None of us wants this and Muslims who are proxies in this have not considered what is coming no more than most Americans. It is though where it is now going. America can either stay engaged and attempt to keep this from hitting our shores in WMD or the alterantive. President Bush who has more information than I can reveal has chosen the latter in grief of seeing people die he is responsible for and attacks on him like he does not know what he is doing.

I have not seen printed one alternative to his policy which is better in saving lives, especially American lives. President Bush is not naive. He is just implementing the best policy to save American lives as he has looked at all the other options and found they killed more people.

Posted by: Lame Cherry [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 28, 2007 1:33 PM

One could hope the experience Tal Afar had from the Time referenced in the Speech until the present, was an improvement over the quality of live, even the value thereof, than it was before.

Al Qaeda could have very well planned the current attack simply because things were going well.

So a bunch of recognized scum from out of town come and ruin everybody's life.

Is it really all that hard to do when you get right down to it?

I wouldn't want to give these type people any opportunity to bring their act over here.

These people will follow us where ever we go. They keep going "over there", because they can get at us, "over there". Old Bush Rhetoric for sure.

Rhetoric hard to disprove. History is my evidence

Point out to me where we have gone and where it has not followed.

We go home to soon and for the wrong Perception, we are sure to bring back a lot of unwanted Baggage.

The type that makes you wonder if it safe to walk to your own Supermarket looking to see if any Tomatoes from Mexico managed to make it in.

Running away, without clearly defining what purpose it serves, and what measures will be taken on the Domestic end to insure unwanted baggage never makes it.

Without a Police state that is.

The People who wish the fighting to end unilaterally by us, will use the "Humanitarian" need to emigrate Millions from the very carnage they helped create.

How can you screen the baggage with an open door Immigration policy.

Posted by: flowerknife_us [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 28, 2007 1:40 PM

"calling President Bush naive is not a kind thing"
-- from a posting above

You're right.

He's an idiot.

Posted by: Hugh [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 28, 2007 2:30 PM

"One could hope the experience Tal Afar had from the Time referenced in the Speech until the present, was an improvement over the quality of live"

I'm not against Iraqis improving quality of their live, I don't really care.

Why improving their quality of live worth 3200 dead, 20000 injuried and trillion dollars?

Are Arabs with much higher quality of live than Iraqis more friendly to us?

Are Saudi ticks are friends? Quwaitis?

What is the point?

There are many places in the world where living is even worse than in Iraq. And people, at least, have some slight potential to be our friends in the future.

Why should we pump money into piss-hole of Iraq instead of spending it elsewhere?


Posted by: mik_infidel [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 28, 2007 3:36 PM

R. - I apologize. I know I said my posting days were over, but I just can't let this one go. I'll try to be good.

H. - On bush al-saud: He's just a front man for some very dangerous and very powerful (mostly saudi funded) people. He says the lines he's given and not very well - a direct result of chronic alcoholism until his later years.

Why doesn't bush (and by extension his puppet masters) "Get it?" The answer is they do. They Get It But Good. What 'we' don't (all) get (yet...) is that bush & co. aren't working for the American people. Was there an American outcry to establish the next muslim terror state in the ME I missed? An American outcry to desroy Yisrael?

What part of bush forcefully spearheading the next muslim terror state ripped from Eretz Yisrael don't people understand? He does this as directed by his saudi masters and indeed their plan is called "the saudi 'peace' plan."

To that add the 'war' 'on terrorism' that not only refuses to name the muslim enemy but refuses to be fought. We won a World War in less time than we've been in Iraq, where by the way the capital hasn't even been secured.

bush al-saud's "justice" department, lead "terrorism fighting" bandidos (fbi), and federal prosecutors issue press statements after every muslim terrorist jihad attack stating "nothing to indicate [muslim] terrorism."

These people are the greatest enemies this country has ever known, and indeed they may kill it completely, and/or perhaps instigate the Second American Revolution.

It's not stupidity. It's a carefully orchestrated plan executed against a population that knows more about American Idol than islam, geo-politics, war, or damn near anything else.

bush al-saud will do everything in his power over the balance of his term to continue destroying this country, Israel, and promote The Religion of Peace exactly how his ultimate financiers living in the birthplace of islam, want.

More Americans, civilian and military, will continue to die, muslim terror fronts posing as "civil rights" organizations will flourish, more muslims will continue to pursue public office, more muslims will continue to probe/dry run airliners, and more mosques will be built - all while bush al-saud trumpets the muslim terrorist lies "we're all of the Abrahamic faith, worshipping the same god."

bush is death, for the American people and for the American nation.

Posted by: Arm A. Geddon [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 28, 2007 10:00 PM

Lame Cherry said

The President would have implemented your policy in a second if the war game planner scenarios showed Islamic implosion would work.

Was that the same war game planners that predicted the Afghan and Iraqi people would throw rose petals before the conquering US troops? That predicted we would find WMD's? That predicted the Middle East despots would fall like dominoes when the people saw the benefits of democracy in Iraq the Model?

Do you honestly think that Hugh's policy has ever been considered by the Bush Administration? That it was vetted and approved by Grover Norquist and Karen Hughs and Condoleeza Rice? You give them too much credit. Way too much.

Posted by: special_guest [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 29, 2007 1:56 AM

Arm A. Geddon,

Yours is the only explanation to makes sense out of the Bush & Co.'s seemingly irrational acts, plans, and "dreams" (of the so-hotly-desired "Palestinian state").

How a supposedly-intelligent person like Condoleeza Rice could have bought the "Two-State" crap dreamt of by Bush is beyond comprehension. How she can go on as a part of the cabinet of a President engaged in what appears more and more to the casual observer as a looney-tunes way to fight a war against an abstraction ("Terror")defies reason.

That the whole shebang--from attack on Saddam's Iraq, instead of on Saudi Arabia, to the incomprehensible expenditure of materiel and personnel to force a "democracy" in Iraq--is to keep our eyes from the true engine behind the jihad: Saudi Arabia, serves as the only plausible explanation for Bush's tortured, seemingly naive logic.

Hugh thinks he is an idiot. Yes, but he's the Saudis' idiot for all of that.

Posted by: unicorns62000 [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 29, 2007 5:27 AM

"How a supposedly-intelligent person like Condoleeza Rice could have bought the "Two-State" crap dreamt of by Bush is beyond comprehension..."
-- from a posting above

No it isn't. Didn't Clinton, didn't Bush the Father, didn't everyone having anything to do with Middle Eastern negotation, including the egregious Richard Haas, Aaron Miller, Dennis Ross, and Martin Indyk, careerists the lot (and the last two safely landed leading "think tanks" funded by people such as Haim Saban who, supposedly, have Israel's interests at heart, and then they go ahead and provide sinecures for the like of Indyk, who when he was ambassador treated the Israelis like a swaggering little viceroy; as for Dennis Ross, I'm still not sure if by now he has learned the words "Jihad" and "hadith" and "dhimmi" -- no, I am sure -- he hasn't.

The "Two-State Solution" is idiotic but it was not dreamed up by Bush, nor Rice. For that matter, there are (or were until last year) a great many Israelis who think the "Two-State Solution" -- which is no solution at all -- is just swell.

There are many to blame. But what infuriates about Bush and Rice, and the Israeli government and the Indyks and Rosses and so on, is that they haven't learned about Islam. Even after 9/11/2001, they haven't bothered. They simply don't look around. They don't connect dots. They keep focusing narrowly on the Middle East, and on this or that problem that is regarded as discrete. The war against Israel is a Lesser Jihad. It has no end. It has no "solution." Matters can be kept under control, if and only if the Muslim Arab side understands that the Israelis are -- and are seen to be -- overwhelmingly more powerful. That is the only thing that keeps the peace, or ever will. And part of keeping that peace requires that the Israelis not retreat further, not surrender still more land, including control of the invasion route from the east, which means control of the heights of Judea, and not surrender control of the aquifers.

For god's sake, can't any of these people in Washington study Islam -- not the version presented by an army of Western apologists at MESA Nostra or hired by the Saudis -- but the real thing, the thing that Wafa Sultan and Ibn Warraq and Ali Sina and Ayaan Hirsi Ali can tell them about, if they won't read Bat Ye'or or Robert Spencer or, for that matter, the great Western scholars of Islam in the past (Schacht, Snouck Hurgronje, Fattal, Vajda, Jeffery, Noldeke, St. Clair Tisdall, and a hundred others) and instead take espositos and armstrongs as their guide -- well, it enrages and enrages.


Posted by: Hugh [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 29, 2007 7:39 AM

However, in their bumbling way, they have set the preconditions to trigger the 100 year war of moahmetanism vs itself. c.p. hassan knows it and said so. The saudis know it too because that is what this peace deal is all about. They see it and they know it's now or never and that the consequences will be severe.

Well too late and too bad for them all. They used hatred as a weapon for 60 years unabashedly teaching it to their children. Now they will pay the piper, as they well deserve, because there is no force in heaven or on earth which can prevent the holocaust now. Bwa ha ha ha...bwa ha ha ha ha...ack...

So give Dubya a little credit for kicking off this party, even if it was totally accidental on his part.

And certainly America can't stop it, although we are making a nice little show to the world that at least we are trying. But mohametanism will destroy itself anyway. Or at least give itself a really bloody nose. Is it not clear?

nabi ZK does not approve of sacrificing our kids just to show the world that we tried. If they could really prevent a holocaust then that would be another matter. But they can't.

I nabi ZK have spoken.

nabi ZK - he who will not be mocked

Posted by: zonie kafir [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 29, 2007 1:57 PM

"But what infuriates about Bush and Rice, and the Israeli government and the Indyks and Rosses and so on, is that they haven't learned about Islam."

With respect, they understand perfectly and more importantly, they have chosen.

Those who don't understand why others don't understand, don't understand.


Posted by: Arm A. Geddon [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 29, 2007 8:26 PM

Indeed Arm. Thay are trying to stop that which many here fervently wish to see unfold. But they are as ants or mere bugs to be squashed by the epochal forces at work.

mohametans=toast

you may rely on it

nabi ZK

Posted by: zonie kafir [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 29, 2007 8:58 PM

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