Who are these "Islamophobes" that dare tell Muslims what the term "jihad" means?

Posted by: Elric66 at March 29, 2007 9:59 AM

We need a truthful definition and really would appreciate all the help we can get. Praise God!

Posted by: eagerbeaver at March 29, 2007 10:01 AM

"Feared" would spread across Europe? "Feared"? For the love of Pete, woman, the reason you're not hijabbed at home being beaten like a gong is because your ancestors had the balls to call it as it is and beat back the Muslim hordes.

Posted by: Marwan'sDaughter at March 29, 2007 10:02 AM

"The definitions of "jihad" and "holy war" as presented by Western media need to be corrected if a true and undistorted image of Islam is be presented to the world..."

So, let me get this straight -- when someone finally mandates the legitimacy of Islam in a Western court, I'm supposed to suddenly renounce my own reason, education and intelligence and accept such a cult of lies?

LOL.

The first person to attempt to force me to do so would regret it.

The world has gone mad.

Posted by: Foehammer at March 29, 2007 10:08 AM

Call "it" what you will. It is what it is! What people do is more importnat than what they say, and what they have done, continue to do, and most probably will do as long as they can, is spread havoc and death in the name of their prophet and their god.

Posted by: MP at March 29, 2007 10:09 AM

Since history of islam contradicts Valeria's assertions - both past and current - she may want to go try to tell the muslims so they can start teaching something else instead of violence and death to the infidels.

Posted by: R_not at March 29, 2007 10:10 AM

Magdi Allam will have some fun with this. I must remember to check the Corriere in the next few days, or even buy a copy, even though a single issue has gone up, here, to $3. Worth it.

Posted by: Hugh at March 29, 2007 10:18 AM

GET THE CALCULATOR OUT!

All of Western logic is based upon the law of contradiction—if two things contradict, then at least one of them is false. But Islamic logic is dualistic; two things can contradict each other and both are true.

No dualistic system may be measured by one answer. This is the reason that the arguments about what constitutes the “real” Islam go on and on and are never resolved. A single right answer does not exist.

Dualistic systems can only be measured by statistics. It is futile to argue one side of the dualism is true. As an analogy, quantum mechanics always gives a statistical answer to all questions.

For an example of using statistics, look at the question: what is the real jihad, the jihad of inner, spiritual struggle or the jihad of war? Let’s turn to Bukhari (the Hadith) for the answer, as he repeatedly speaks of jihad. In Bukhari 97% of the references to jihad are about war and 3% are about the inner struggle. So the statistical answer is that jihad is 97% war and 3% inner struggle. Is jihad war? Yes—97%. Is jihad inner struggle? Yes—3%. So if you are writing an article, you can make a case for either. But in truth, almost every argument about Islam can be answered by: “all of the above.” Both sides of the duality are right.

From Bill Warner, Center for the Study of Political Islam

http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm?frm=5794&sec_id=5794

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at March 29, 2007 10:32 AM

I hope the families of those Russian schoolchildren murdered at Belsan have had their "misconceptions" about Jihad corrected.

Posted by: Celsius at March 29, 2007 10:42 AM

Classically jihad has been understood as being of the heart, tongue, pen, hand, and sword. All these forms of struggel are directed toward the goal of destroying "disbelief" in all its manifestations. The modern expressions of jihad include

Media/Propaganda Jihad (includes playing semantic games of hide-and-seek with words such as "jihad," "peace," etc.

Inner psychological jihad (whipping oneself up into a frenzy of hate by reading and re-reading the Koran, approximately 50% of which deals with hatred or punishment of non-Muslims).

Financial/Economic Jihad.

Demographic and Immigration Jihad.

Legal/Litigation Jihad.

Political Jihad.

Institutional Jihad.

Cultural Jihad.

Organized Crime Jihad.

Intimidation/Rioting/Harrassment/Generalized thuggery Jihad.

Posted by: Khaybar Oasis at March 29, 2007 10:48 AM

"struggel" sorry: struggle (spelling jihad)

Posted by: Khaybar Oasis at March 29, 2007 10:49 AM

Muslim scholars like to to tell us that Military action is only one means of Jihad and is very rare. To highlight this point, the Prophet Mohammed told his followers returning from a military campaign:-- "This day we have returned from the minor Jihad to the major Jihad," which he said meant returning from armed battle to the peaceful battle for self-control and betterment. Unfortunately the word if so used by Mohammed has been turned completely upside down since at one time it was believed to be applied for defensivee actions in the mode of a minor jihad .

Throughout the world terrorists now use jihad as an aggressive war action against infidels and non believers. Jihad was also suppose to spare the people of the book, and the Jews from Islamic violence as long as they paid the jizya among other things.

Jihad was also not to harm women, or children;-- witness the barbaric evil in Iraq where children where placed in a car with a bomb, where children where playing on soccer fields and suicide bombs where detonated, where innocent civilians Muslims where shopping and suicide bombs are detonate almost daily.

So what's in a word professor? Basically the professor is only reflecting what Islamic scholars say the word is supposed to mean.

Unfortunately jihad has gone into a transformation even though Mohammeds words in the Quran, and the Ahadith are not to be changed for all time because they are supposed to be perfect,never mind how Medina clashes with Mecca.

Posted by: Mackie at March 29, 2007 10:50 AM

Oh yes, and Hitler's 'inner struggle' (Mein Kampf) was just some misunderstood soul-searching too you see. It was a tiny minority of SS Officers who misread the meaning of his book.

Contortions of Denial Alert.

Posted by: alexon at March 29, 2007 10:54 AM

@mackie

BIL WARNER (AT CENTER FOR THE STUDY OF POLITICAL ISLAM) PROVES YOU WRONG!

You need to issue a retraction of the following:

"Unfortunately jihad has gone into a transformation even though Mohammeds words in the Quran, and the Ahadith are not to be changed for all time because they are supposed to be perfect,never mind how Medina clashes with Mecca."

Jihad is war 97% of the time (based on textual study of Bukhari's Hadith)

Jihad is inner struggle 3% of the time (based on textual study of Bukhari's Hadith)

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at March 29, 2007 11:04 AM

The best way for Muslims to clear up this "misconception" would be for them to act upon the definition of jihad as spiritual struggle..."

Muslims are also good at blaming women rape victims for not understanding things. (It always amazes me how women and children who are the victims of sexual crimes very often blame themselves. Why is that? It doesn't occur with other crimes?)

I have come to the conclusion that, at its core, Islam is Arab Imperialism. Arabs get even the African Negros and the Indians to copy their masters while the victims bow to Mecca. It's obvious that many of the Africans who are exterminating Negro Africans in Darfur also have African Negro ancestry. But they identify with their Arab-Caucasian masters. Jihad began as a supremacist rationalization system for Arab Imperialism and it will end as it began-with a bang.

Posted by: Frank at March 29, 2007 11:16 AM

I can tell you for sure that my company uses "jihad" in that context right now. For instance, when estimating the time for a project, we say, "I believe the work jihad will be two weeks." And sometimes, we also say, "You're so good this, you make it seem jihadless."

I work in a modern environment. We have gotten with the program. It was no jihad at all.

Posted by: Seymour Paine at March 29, 2007 11:20 AM

marron!

(Is that how you spell that? That's my best guess)

Posted by: eve_anne_gelical at March 29, 2007 11:26 AM

Seymour Paine-

Funny. LOL.

Posted by: Frank at March 29, 2007 11:31 AM

Jihad as adjective it simply means 'struggle' or 'overcome' In its Islamic definition, Jihad fi sabilillah, Jihad in the path of Allah means to 'struggle with all your might (wealth, lives) in order to make Allah's word supreme.

The sufi belief that Jihad is an inner struggle only is untrue. But Jihad also compromises an inner struggle to pruify one's soul. It is also in word and deed.

Posted by: Abdullah at March 29, 2007 11:33 AM

@abdullah

I need your advice:

I jihadded like hell to do the whole fitna-thing. I don't know if my razor was dull or what, but even though I jihadded and jihadded the pain was terrible. Not just on my private parts. I jihadded with the hair under my armpits too, but in less than a week it started coming back and the jihad became something truly terrible.

Can you give me some advice?

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at March 29, 2007 11:44 AM

Funny. A self proclaimed Muslim that doesnt even know what the term "jihad" means.

Posted by: Elric66 at March 29, 2007 11:46 AM

I trust the most dangerous definition of jihad, as used by Bin Laden, etc., because the benign version doesn't need our attention.

Who cares if a lot of Muslims are also struggling inwardly and peacefully?

It's the psychotic jihadists we have to worry about.

During WWII the Allies didnt worry about H20 (regular water), they worried about heavy water (D20).

Terroristic jihad is the Islamic equivalent of D2O (heavy water).

Posted by: profitsbeard at March 29, 2007 11:47 AM

Ynkedoodl2:

No retraction necessary,I am reflecting what Islamic scholars are trying to tell us or should I say convince us and our good professor Valeria Paicentini has bought into it hook,line,and sinker. This is why I made the comment at the end re: Medina Vs. Mecca.

Mackie

Posted by: Mackie at March 29, 2007 11:47 AM

Jihad has conditions strictly tied to it in pure Islam. The propher(pbuh) forbade the burning down of trees, houses, people, churches&synagogues, killing children, women, elderly non-combatants...All the rest are fair game If they stand in Allah's way.

You might ask why aren't 'some' muslims practising these conditions. There are many explanations or shall I say excuses...

1)..oh brother we don't have an army like they do
2) ..oh brother we can't separate their women from the men folk during a matrydom operation
3)..oh brother they are all the same apes and pigs their women also pay taxes to kill muslims
4)..oh brother but they also kill and mutilate our women and children

I say oh my dear brothers are u going to obey the messenger and hope for victory from Allah or are you going to make flimsy excuses to break the rules of Jihad ???

Posted by: Abdullah at March 29, 2007 11:47 AM

The definitions of "jihad" and "holy war" as presented by Western media need to be corrected if a true and undistorted image of Islam is be presented to the world…

Why? There is no reason we poor Infidels must be consigned to not enjoy the same clarity Moslems have with the word, a clarity that lets every one of them aunderstand that Jihad means war.

... and this misunderstanding media has created can only be countered by looking closely at the true meanings of such terms as 'jihad' and 'holy war' in Islam." It is a common misconception that "jihad" means "military action", when in fact it translates to "effort" of which just one aspect is to do with taking action to defend oneself, she said.

What the “misunderstanding media” has done with their misreporting is prepare the non-Moslem world for their forthcoming dhimmitude. An example of such misreporting is the tiresome bullshit being peddled here by Professor Valeria Paicentini, yet another example of the cowed and craven who pass for “scholar” status nowadays.

Here baby, here’s a hint from no less an Islamic authority than Mohammed himself, to help you understand how mistaken and irrelevant you are:

There is no Hijra (emigration) but only Jihad and good intention; and when you are called to battle, then go forth. He also said on the Day of Victory Over Mecca: Allah made this town sacred...
--- Mohammed imploring Moslems to fight Jihad war in Hadith sahih Muslim Book 7, Number 3139.

This is one of hundreds of thousands of examples where Moslems define Jihad as war-fighting. Otherwise, taking the example above, was the “battle” a private intellectual strife? Was the Day of Victory Over Mecca a public debate in which the Companions slam-dunked the Pagans on points on the issue “Islam: Yes or No? You decide.”

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at March 29, 2007 11:49 AM

Ynkedoodl2:

Jihad is a constant struggle with fulfilling what the Lord instructs you and constantly abstaining from what the Lord forbade you through His messenger....

Posted by: Abdullah at March 29, 2007 11:50 AM

"holy war" was a term introduced by the Vatican

The lady is right. They don't say "holy war", they say jihad.
Read the Letter to the Pope by the 38 "Experts". They tell the truth on page 2:

Jihad, it must be emphasized, means struggle, and specifically struggle in the way of God. This struggle may take many forms, including the use of force.

Use of force. Full stop.

Though a jihad may be sacred in the sense of being directed towards a sacred ideal, it is not necessarily a “war”.

Not necessarily "war", uh.

Find a comment (in german) here

Posted by: FreeSpeech at March 29, 2007 11:53 AM

"Our media is distorting a lot Islam's aspects and features ... and this misunderstanding media has created can only be countered by looking closely at the true meanings of such terms as 'jihad' and 'holy war' in Islam."

Actually, she has a point !

The main stream media does distort islam - each and every time they call it a "religion of peace", every time they insist there are "moderate muslims", every time they fail to report the daily atrocities carried out in the name of islam.

It's past time the MSM looked more closely at the true meaning of jihad.

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at March 29, 2007 11:56 AM

One third of the Qur'an deals with Jihad, one third with Tawheed (God's oneness) and one third deals with Laws instructed to purify mankind from satan's stain.....Did you people know that Satan vowed before Allah to 'mislead all of mankind'?

Posted by: Abdullah at March 29, 2007 11:56 AM

Abdullah, pull the other leg.

Posted by: FreeSpeech at March 29, 2007 11:56 AM

what do you mean pull the other leg?

Posted by: Abdullah at March 29, 2007 12:00 PM

@abdullah

Did we know that:

Satan vowed before Allah to 'mislead all of mankind'?

ABSOLUTELY!

He's doing it with the beast called islam.

muhammad, the anti-Christ, is Satan's weapon and he is very powerful, crafty, tenacious and devious.

It will be a long struggle to defeat Satan's minion muhammad (MHRIHF) and the beast of islam.

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at March 29, 2007 12:01 PM

There are 146 references to Hell in the Koran. Only 6% of those in Hell are there for moral failings—murder, theft, etc. The other 94% of the reasons for being in Hell are for the intellectual sin of disagreeing with Mohammed, a political crime. Hence, Islamic Hell is a political prison for those who speak against Islam."

From Bill Warner at Center for The Study of Political Islam:

http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm?frm=5794&sec_id=579

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at March 29, 2007 12:03 PM

Lets play "Guess their religion"! Slightly OT, but it does pertain to what Jihad means in the real world.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_032807/content/01125107.guest.html

Many who post on this site pick on Rush as buying into the "Religion of Peace" crap, but as the link above shows otherwise

Posted by: JSobieski at March 29, 2007 12:09 PM

@abdullah (re: the jihad of pube purity)

So what your saying is I should continue jihadding to remove every last hair follicle from my crotch and from my armpit even if this jihad is driving me to a point of complete distraction?

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at March 29, 2007 12:09 PM

Im not Roman Catholic but if I were and if I were the Pope I would be one badass mean Pope an angry saint. I'd exocommunicate any Italian from the Church who pulled anything like this 'expert'. There would be an outcry --people would hate Christianity (they do that anyway just by christians being decent. The world just HATES that) but it would work.

Seriously this 'expert' needs to be slapped upside his head by a smart thinking Italian lady (an Oriania type!) with a copy of The Truth about Muhammed. SMACK! "Whats the matter with you --you sick in the head? you nscemo, idiota, cretino, stupido !" It might even knowck some sense into the 'expert'.

Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at March 29, 2007 12:11 PM

correction: knock.

Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at March 29, 2007 12:12 PM

Italian professor of Islamic culture Valeria Paicentini:

To you I say you are corrupt to the core, you are a whore for the 'RoP' and if its not the money that turned you into an enemy agent then you are a convert, or 'revert' to the world largest cult.

You should be held in contempt, professor.

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at March 29, 2007 12:13 PM

Breaking News: The word "Jihad " is to be dropped from all conversation. Critics who have claimed the west misused the term "jihad" all along are feeling uplifted today in light of the proof that "jihad" is only an inner struggle for Allah! "See, we knew this all along", they say.

Meanwhile, in other news, MUSLIM VIOLENCE, all over the world continues to spread............

Posted by: sounder at March 29, 2007 12:25 PM

Good to still see you around Sheik. I hope that Gavin King Wanker gets his just reward for the situation he has put you in.

I agree with you that this professor is a traitor to her civilization and should be spat upon. I bet she would have been one of the ones in the court room egging on the other traitors who were prosecuting Oriana.

Posted by: William The Crusader at March 29, 2007 12:26 PM

This woman should be give the nobel prize of peace

Posted by: Abdullah at March 29, 2007 12:30 PM

I wasn't sure who was right, so I went to a neutral source, the online Urban Dictionary.

This is how the UD defines Jihad.

So maybe we can consider the matter settled?

Posted by: Archimedes2 at March 29, 2007 12:33 PM

Posted by the Jihadist Abdullah

"I say oh my dear brothers are u going to obey the messenger and hope for victory from Allah or are you going to make flimsy excuses to break the rules of Jihad ???"

Wow, you aren't very smart now are you dipshit.

To me these words are clear incitement to violence. You've done it now, expect British intelligence to come and get you very, very soon.

PS. They are just gonna love you inside those prison walls Abdullah.

Posted by: William The Crusader at March 29, 2007 12:33 PM

There must be some comfort factor in intellectuals searching for something to hold on to as this crops up again and again in defining "jihad".

What difference does it make what jihad means when terrorists are planting IED's, planning to use nuclear weapons in America, Iranians are sponsoring proxy terrorists and Russia is sponsoring them all.

Dead Jews, dead Muslims, dead Americans are all that is the definition in this and the question intellectuals need to focus on is how to stop this, because Clinton tried to leave it alone and his policy advocated 100 dead murdered Americans a year as "acceptable". That leave Islam alone had 3 nuclear bombs show up in America which were defused. (We know this from New York reports that detained terrorists died of radiation poisoning 2 weeks after being captured in that state, but the stories were buried so as not to scare the public.)

So if leaving Islam alone gets one nuclear weapons and people are complaining now that a war against Islam which is keeping nuclear weapons from going off in America cities is unacceptable. Where is the policy as what is advocated now in cutting and running murdered 3000 Americans on 9 11 due to Clinton's withdrawl from Somalia and the attempt to murder a million more?
The Muslims as has been proven in the Israeli state after warring among themselves only rearm and come back after Jews. The same will happen with America.
So the facts in history and in actual events prove that point. So what are the advocates of leaving Islam to itself going to do when their policy is proven wrong?
By that time oil will be cut off so you will not have gas for your car, the US economy will be tanked as the dollar will be replaced by the euro which means no funding of the military to strike if the advocates want to and America will then be sitting and waiting with depression era jobs, rioting illegals from Russia and Mexico pinning down our resources.

I do not want answers in this as it is rhetorical, but people instead of being rude, fighting amongst the Conservative body and refusing to look at their policy and the implications is not doing anything but creating anarchy.

It does not matter what jihad means as what is happening is Americans, Muslims and Jews are dying not from American policy, not from Jewish policy and not from Muslim policy, but from Islamocommunist, Islamofascist, Middle East dictators and Russian efforts which are raping the people of the region of lives and causing the furor.

When is someone going to start posting the real cause of this. The people called Palestinians have had billions of dollars stolen from them by their own government the past years. That is the cause of this from Syria to Iran to Saudi Arabia and not what is being blamed.
Islam is the "god covering" to give the mandate of a violence already unleashed. Yes Islam is part of the problem, but the lion's share are the thieves raping these populations.

Posted by: Lame Cherry at March 29, 2007 12:38 PM

There must be some comfort factor in intellectuals searching for something to hold on to as this crops up again and again in defining "jihad".

Money?

Posted by: FreeSpeech at March 29, 2007 12:39 PM

Abdullah

"pull the other leg" = try your next joke.

Posted by: FreeSpeech at March 29, 2007 12:42 PM

Valeria Paicentini needs to get a one way ticket to sowdi arabis, let her see islam up front and in your face. what is with these ignorant elites, dont they think they will be the first one in line of attack from islmafacists.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at March 29, 2007 12:45 PM

I like UD's third definition of muhammad:

3. The false prophet of the muslims. He invented his own religion, Mohammedanism, when he realized that Christians and Jews would not accept his delirious dreams of being a prophet. A cut-throat, nasty terrorist, the inspiration of Al-Qaeda and Hezbollah. A goat-smelling, camel-raping, pedophile.

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at March 29, 2007 12:49 PM

Someone please inform this 'Italian expert'(always cracks me up when the media is lying but they want to convince you by stating that a person is an 'expert', show me the credentials).

So please tell this expert that we need a new definition for: coward, chicken, spineless, weak knee, yellow, and Judas. Maybe this 'Italian expert' can let us know that these are empowering words, words of motivation.

Posted by: alaskan1000 at March 29, 2007 12:52 PM

I'm reposting the link ynkdoodle2 gave above with the comment that this is an incredibly helpful summary of the problem of Islam by Bill Warner.

It should become required reading for the Islam 101 part of this site (as a supplement to Greg's writing, or an even briefer stand-alone introduction). Most of the material there will be somewhat familiar to readers here, but Warner brings it together in a startling and insightful manner.

Of particular note is his analysis of dhimmitude and Islamic supremacism using the standard categories of behavior associated with rape victims and victims of violence, versus the categories of behavior of their victimizers. VERY informative!

Posted by: Archimedes2 at March 29, 2007 12:58 PM

I say oh my dear brothers are u going to obey the messenger and hope for victory from Allah or are you going to make flimsy excuses to break the rules of Jihad ???

Posted by: Abdullah

Dear Abby.

I say to MY dear Brothers: please don't let false witnesses ["experts"] cloud your minds. Don't let your lying eyes deceive you. What you SEE is what it IS.

I say to my Brothers: Let us begin to use the requisite amount of force to roll back this dark cloud from our Lands and our lives.

I say to my Brothers: Let us expel the jihadists from our lands - even if they should live there under some false pretense or other. You know they hate us. Do not ask WHY they hate us. Instead ask youselves what INSTEAD must be asked:

They hate us - therefore what shall our response be to this knowledge?

Do NOT let the MSM and false witnesses deceive you with false questions that lead you from the path of reason.

Binyamin Netanyahu said: When someone says they want to kill you - believe them.

So, dear Abby, we the People are on to you! I suspect that at least parts of our guvmints MUST have some clue as to what and who you are.

The main deceivers are in the MSM and in our institutions of Learning.

Some of our "leaders" who know better have probably allowed themselves to be in a compromised situation of some kind - thus making them subject to blackmail.

Dear Abby, we have no "prophet" [pigs***e be upon it] making up our rules so rest assured you will find out when we begin to fight back.

Time to pack your bags and plan your move back to KSA or Pak.

You ain't seen nothing yet!

Posted by: Allahfanculo at March 29, 2007 1:05 PM

"holy war" as presented by Western media need to be corrected if a true and undistorted image of Islam is be presented to the world, said Italian professor of Islamic culture Valeria Paicentini on Thursday. Speaking to Kuwait News Agency (KUNA), the visiting professor said,

[...]

What are her credentials. I'd love to see her CV. Maybe I'll see what an online search can scare up.

What university is she a professor at? How is her chair financed and by whom? Whom is she married to? What religion is she a member of? Has she changed religions since birth?

Let's see what filters her opinions have to be seen through.

Posted by: Allahfanculo at March 29, 2007 1:12 PM

@abdullah

Refer not to us as your brothers since we will not fail to do our best to corrupt you. We desire to harm you severely. Hatred has already appeared from our mouths, but what our breasts conceal is far worse. We are allies to one another only.

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at March 29, 2007 1:18 PM

Well I found something.

www.asiac-centre.it/piacentini/cv.pdf

And my guess was pretty dead-on. She's involved and employed at a number of leftsist-orientalist-islamist "institutions".

See the link above for the full list.

She starts off like a good catholic girl but then quickly veers way to the left early on.

See here:

* Present position:

• Full Professor of History and Institutions of Muslim Countries in the Catholic University of the S. Heart, Milano - Italy (Dept. of Political Science)

• Director of the Athenaeum Centre "CRiSSMA" (Research Centre on the Southern System and Wider Mediterranean).

"Wider Mediterranean"? One doesn't need much imagination to know that this stands for "islamo-mediterranean".

There go your filter. Her obejective is to soften us up on as part of ideological jihad.

Her CV gets even better LOL:

- Staff writer of Oriente Moderno - monthly magazine published by the Istituto per l'Oriente (Roma) from 1962 to 1975.

I don't have the time or I'd try and dig up some of her writings there. I have a hunch what one would dreg up though..

And check this out:

- Researcher and expert for the Ce.Mi.S.S. (Military Centre for Strategic Studies, Rome - Italy) and CASD (Defence Centre for High Studies, Italy).

Let her coach the defense of the Italian soccer team instead of screwing up what military they have.

oh and i LOVE THIS:

- Professor at the Master in ‘Peacekeeping Management’, University of Turin (Italy).

You mean in Southern Sudan? or peacekeeping in Southern Lebanon - posing with Hezbo flags while taunting the Israelis?
The filter is gaining focus, stronza!

And finally: This is a long one.. documenting YEARS of in-the-field "research" in dar-al-islam, culminating in a few years spent in the "islamic republic of iran." see below:

• Iran: Tehran, Majles Archives and Ketabkhaneh-ye Melli - Private libraries and collections in Tehran, Shiraz, Mashad, Isfahan (1973-1978); I.P.I.S. (Institute for Political and International Studies) (Tehran) records.
• Pakistan: Quetta (Balochistan): COQDA Archives and Commissioner House Archives.
b) Field-Work experiences:
- Iran: Interdisciplinary project sponsored by the University of Trieste. Subject of the research: The Network of Markets of the Persian Gulf in Islamic Times (19731975).
- Iran: Prosecution of the research. New subject: The Emporium and the Reign of Hormuz (1975-1976).
- Iran: Prosecution of the research. New subject: Trade and the Caravan Trade Routes of the Desert between Hormuz and Central Asia (1977-1978).
- Afghanistan: Herat. Prosecution of the aforesaid research (1977-1978).
- Iran: Khorasan, on grant from the Italian Ministry for Foreign Affairs. Subject of the research: Survey of the monumental evidence along the royal caravan route of the Desert - Mashad - Gonabad - Qa'en - Tabas - Birjand (1976-1978). - Iran: Azerbayjan, member of the research-group directed by prof. Adriano Alpago Novello (Milano Politecnique). Subject of the research: Graphic and topographic documentation of the Castle, Mosque and Cemetery of Berdjuk. Historical evidence and working hypotheses (1976-1978).
- Tanzania: on grant from the Italian Ministry for Foreign Affairs. Subject of the research: the focusing of the relationships between Hormuz and other banadir and cities of the Eastern Coast of Africa (1975).
- Sultanate of Oman: on Licence granted by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (1980) she has carried out the survey of funerary areas at Salalah and the coastal area between Musqat and Suhar: international links.
- Islamic Republic of Iran: on Licence granted from the local Competent Authorities and under the sponsorship of the Italian Ministry for Foreign Affairs, she has resumed field-work in the new province of Hormuzgan. Subject of the Research: Socio-Technical Groups and Political-Administrative Structures of the Southern Coast of Hormuzgan (1982-1985).

You could venture a guess: Homegirl gone native. She's about as Italian as an Eskimo by now.

Posted by: Allahfanculo at March 29, 2007 1:28 PM

abdullah what does it feel to wake up everyone morning that the cult you grew up is going to end very soon. that your islam cult has never produced anything worthwhile, that you have to kill in order to get some good in the hereafter (after your death), something tells me Abdullah you will very hot and crowed in your hereafter with your buds and mohammud what up his face the child rapist and murdering fasle prophet, (btw way mohummad could not get the Jews and Christians to believe his claptrap.)
ho abdullah you are on borrowed time, leave islam if you want to be human again and enjoy life on earth as our God intended.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at March 29, 2007 1:33 PM

This woman should be give the nobel prize of peace

Posted by: Abdullah

Good idea. She's a worthy candidate since Arafart already got one. Note to Robert Spencer: Please keep an eye on her as the Dhimmi Awards heat up.

Posted by: Allahfanculo at March 29, 2007 1:42 PM

One third of the Qur'an deals with Jihad, one third with Tawheed (God's oneness) and one third deals with Laws instructed to purify mankind from satan's stain.....Did you people know that Satan vowed before Allah to 'mislead all of mankind'?

Suggest not relying on the computations provided in the qu'ran as it's obvious math is not allah's strongest subject . . .

It just doesn't add up: Sura 4:11-12, 176 speaking on the inheritance law, specifies that when a man dies, and leaves behind [for instance] three daughters, two parents and a wife, the 3 daughters will receive 2/3 of the inheritance, 1/3 will go to the parents together [according to verse 4:11] and 1/8 for the wife [4:12] which adds up to more than the available estate. A second example: If a man leaves only his mother, his wife and two sisters, then the mother receives 1/3 ( 4:11), 1/4 for the wife [4:12] and 2/3 for the two sisters [4:176], which then adds up to 15/12 of the available property.

Ynkedoodl2 provides ample links to objective computations (as provided by Bill Warner of the Center for the Study of Political Islam) regarding qu'ranic applications.

Posted by: justamomof4 at March 29, 2007 1:44 PM

Jihad as adjective it simply means 'struggle' or 'overcome' In its Islamic definition, Jihad fi sabilillah, Jihad in the path of Allah means to 'struggle with all your might (wealth, lives) in order to make Allah's word supreme.

I make alla'as word supreme whenever I pass a mosk. All it takes is a good passing of the ol' gas after a hearty BBQ.

Sorry we Central Europeans tend to be pork-eating beer-drinking Barbarians. We did, however, not ask you to come stay with us so you have to forgive us if we don't much feel like acting hospitable any longer after so many years of seeing our hospitality abused.

So I say: alla's word - my gas!

Posted by: Allahfanculo at March 29, 2007 1:45 PM

Did you people know that Satan vowed before Allah to 'mislead all of mankind'?

Posted by: Abdullah

Yes, we KNOW. We keep talking about it every day. Satan aka Mahomet.

He's doing a great job too. Can't say Satan doesn;t keep his promises can we? He uses taquiyya and kitman only on "unbelievers" - never on his Dark Master alla.

What I don't understand, my dear Abby, since you just conceded the point and you KNOW the same things WE know..

Why don't you give up your fake cult and join the Good Side?

Even Darth Vadersaw the Light right at the end. You have the chance to enjoy live a little while you are still on Earth.

Do some good.. educate the yet unawakened Europeans on the dangers of islam they are facing.

Where's Maggie when we need her?

Posted by: Allahfanculo at March 29, 2007 1:53 PM

Abdullah wrote:
"Jihad has conditions strictly tied to it in pure Islam. The propher(pbuh) forbade the burning down of trees, houses, people, churches&synagogues, killing children, women, elderly non-combatants...All the rest are fair game If they stand in Allah's way."

Remember the truth in these words the next time Abdullah tries to blame jihad on American imperialism. What is conspicuously absent from the "don't touch" list is all infidel males. They are always fair game because their mere existence always poses a threat to Islam. Women and children are irrelevent, as they can be raped and then claimed as slaves as was granted by Muhammad after a battle as rightful booty.

That and the fact that everyhting else on the "don't touch" list has and will continue to be violated by "some" Muslims.

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There was an excellent post last evening on DW by JSobieski, as a reply to Abdullah, and provides a good summary of the impotence inherent in Islam, originating with the "prophet" himself:

"The failure of Islamic societies to produce anything of value or even of interest--culturally, economically, scientifically, etc. is striking."

"You of course are left with the refrain of "Muslims will inherit everything." Why not get off your lazy behind and actually try create something? Is it because you know you can't? Are you smart enough to realize that?"

"Why not try to say "lets make a society here in the ME that is so great people that will beg to come here?" Why is it always "we will eventually take what you have created?""

"You sound like a girlfriend that I dumped many years ago. The only thing she could create was annoyance. The only thing she could do well was take things that weren't hers."

"Even in your rants, you reveal striking insecurity and inferiority. I don't need to take anything from you, while you wait for the day to take everything from me."

"You call Bishops and Priests "arrogant" but it is you who wants to take what others have created. What is that if not arrogance? It is the arrogance of a spoiled child, wanting things that you do not earn."

Pathetic.

Posted by: JSobieski at March 28, 2007 11:22 PM

Posted by: awake at March 29, 2007 1:58 PM

ahh.. the chaos of abrogation..

It seems that the equivalent of a vs b on a timeline needs to be posted (and probably is already). "The Truth About Muhammad" showed how the order of suras and abrogation worked..

Basically, it means that what he said in the beginning was retracted toward the end and that the nice parts in the beginning are what are presented to non-muslims to form a basis for takiyya and dawa effors.. The reality is what we see on tv as per mo's latter instructions. The actions speak louder than words.

Posted by: squire at March 29, 2007 2:03 PM

@justamomof4:

Nice post and just shows that idiotizing of islam begins with the texts themselves.

Here's another example:

There are many numerical contradictions in the Quran. Can God make so much error in doing simple calculations?

How many days did it take to create Heavens and Earth ?

Quran 7: 54 Your gurdian-Lord is Allah who created the heavens and earth in Six Days

Quran 10: 3 Verily your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and earth in Six Days

Quran 11:7 He it is Who created the heavens and earth in Six Days
Quran-25:29: He Who created the heavens and earth and all that is between, in Six Days

The above verses clearly state that God created the heaven and Allah created the heaven and the Earth in 6 days. But the verses below stated-

Quran 41: 9 Is it that ye deny Him who created the earth in Two Days ?

Quran 41: 10 He set on the (earth) Mountains standing firm high above it, and bestowed blessing on the earth, and measured therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in FOUR DAYS…

Quran 41: 12 So He completed them (heavens) as seven firmaments in Two days and …

Now do the math: 2(for earth) + 4(for nourishment) + 2 (for heavens) = 8 days; and not 6 days

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at March 29, 2007 2:05 PM

A suggestion for the people of Italy- perhaps they should actually take the time to read the Koran and realize that it is taken literally by many Muslims around the world. Then maybe, just maybe, they'll understand that the Koranic verse "kill them wherever you find them" means "kill" and "them" means everyone who isn't Muslim.

It's not hard to figure out. The jihadists understand that "kill" means kill. Why can't Europe?

Posted by: s at March 29, 2007 2:53 PM

This thread is a good example of why we need websites such as JW/DW because the so-called "experts", be they the msm, or CAIR, or certain Muslim posters who come here who try their best to fool the non-Muslims with their own explainations of "jihad".

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at March 29, 2007 3:05 PM

Ynkedoodl2,

"@abdullah

Did we know that:

Satan vowed before Allah to 'mislead all of mankind'?

ABSOLUTELY!

He's doing it with the beast called islam.

muhammad, the anti-Christ, is Satan's weapon and he is very powerful, crafty, tenacious and devious.

It will be a long struggle to defeat Satan's minion muhammad (MHRIHF) and the beast of islam."

The truth is allah=Satan, who thru muhammed is doing all the misleading.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at March 29, 2007 3:21 PM

KUNA again? With all due credit to Allahfanculo's research, I'd say a good healthy dose of scepticism is called for. Remember this?

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/013890.php

Posted by: templar at March 29, 2007 3:43 PM

"So what your saying is I should continue jihadding to remove every last hair follicle from my crotch and from my armpit even if this jihad is driving me to a point of complete distraction?"

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2

No, what I am saying is that you should keep on listening to Howard Stern until everyone here knows that you are Debbie Schlussel.

Like Robert said before:

"You are giving ammunition to our enemies." And it's true.

Think about it. Won't you?

Posted by: J. Monet at March 29, 2007 6:04 PM

Elric66: Funny. A self proclaimed Muslim that doesnt even know what the term "jihad" means.

Really?
Abdullah said:
"The sufi belief that Jihad is an inner struggle only is untrue."

He got it right. For once he spoke the truth.
He acknowledged its violent nature - which we all know.

Posted by: UK Infidel Lover at March 29, 2007 6:21 PM

abdullah is right about jihad not just being about war.

Jihad can be best described as doing everything you can to work toward an environment where anti-Muslim speech and action is intimidated, and pro-Muslim speech and action is not intimidated

That Muslim chick in Detroit suing to wear her veil in court is acting according to jihad.

That mob in Ethiopia who beat that Christian evalgelist to death were acting according to jihad

The fatwa against Salman Rushdie was in accordance with jihad, since it intimidated other writers against writing against Islam. Likewise the threatened violence over the Mohammad cartoons.

The use of criminal acts against non-Muslims in a neighborhood to get them to move out and leave the neighborhood entirely Muslim is part of jihad

Posted by: PapaBear at March 29, 2007 6:28 PM

Abudullah: Jihad has conditions strictly tied to it in pure Islam. The propher(pbuh) forbade the burning down of trees, houses, people, churches&synagogues, killing children, women, elderly non-combatants...All the rest are fair game If they stand in Allah's way

Which means that that if trees, houses, people, churches & synagogues, children, women, elderly non-combatants are considered to stand in Allah's way (or basically if a Muslim gets irritated for any reason or excuse), they are fair game.

Posted by: UK Infidel Lover at March 29, 2007 6:29 PM

Robert:

Every sickening sexually oriented comment made on Jihad Watch is made by Debbie Schlussel. The anti-Christian comments are made by her as well. I am just wondering why you continue to allow this?

You have scolded Debbie before (American in Germany) before for "giving ammunition to our enemies."

And she does. She seeks no honest debate or criticism of Islam. Her only purpose here is to spew the things she hears from Howard Stern, her former employer.

If reform of Islam is what we seek, then why do you continue to allow her vile comments which are not only offensive to Muslims but to Christians as well?

Posted by: J. Monet at March 29, 2007 6:30 PM

Abdullah: This woman should be give the nobel prize of peace

Why? Because she gives the West false reassurance about the minority meaning of the word Jihad in Bukhari when the majority meaning is "war in the Dar-al-Harb region"?

So you are all for spreading falsehood Abdullah, anything to advance the cause of Islam if it deceives the West, lulls them into a false sense of security?

What does that say about Islam - the religion that stoops to deception. Sounds like communism - that also used deception.

Posted by: UK Infidel Lover at March 29, 2007 6:38 PM

Oh, goodie! Sra. Paicentini can now explain this on Al Jezeera and amongst the midrassahs. It will be such a relief to watch as world-wide Islam disarms and all the umma goes on retreat for some spiritually uplifting "effort."
If she is not herself a moslem, she must be a hapless idiot. Yes, the Vatican came up with the idea of jihad is "Holy War." No wonder the moslems were outraged at the Pope's lecture in Germany. As the source of quranic misinterpretation his holiness should've known better.
Papa Ratzinger should take to the balcony of St. Peter's and explain that his guys got it wrong. Jihad is a SPIRITUAL struggle. Yeah, that's right.Put those grenades and launchers down, boys, and get to a 12-step meeting.

Posted by: Sansantiago at March 29, 2007 6:57 PM

I never thought I would see the day that I would send an email to Stephen Murphy III about this, but I did!

Posted by: Classy at March 29, 2007 7:10 PM

Here's some good stuff from a great modern authority on what Jihad means. This man is the very embodiment of Jihad war terror. Fun, too. Lowered the street-legal age in his homeland to 9 yrs. An exmplary Moslem, indeed.

610 * 624 * 1066 * 1453 * 1492 * 1683 * 1928 * 1948 * 1969 * 1993 * 1995 * 1996 * 2001

Islam is Not a Religion of Pacifists
Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, 1942

Islam’s jihad is a struggle against idolatry, sexual deviation, plunder, repression, and cruelty. The war waged by [non-Islamic] conquerors, however, aims at promoting lust and animal pleasures. They care not if whole countries are wiped out and many families left homeless. But those who study jihad will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world. All the countries conquered by Islam or to be conquered in the future will be marked for everlasting salvation. For they shall live under [God’s law]. ...

Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does that mean that Muslim should sit back until they are devoured by [the unbelievers]? Islam says: Kill the [the non-Muslims], put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]. Does this mean sitting back until [non-Muslims] overcome us? Islam says: Kill in the service of Allah those who may want to kill you! Does this mean that we should surrender [to the enemy]? Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to paradise, which can be opened only for holy warriors!

There are hundreds of other [Koranic] psalms and hadiths [sayings of the prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all that mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.

* 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 *

What did Ayatollah mean when he said kill... kill those troublesome thoughts? Sword meant penetrating points?, holy warriors devout Kabuki dancers?, Kill in the service of Allah kill all the services problems with creative solutions?, Islam wants to conquer the whole world meant captivate everybody with the good word?

Hmmm. I dunno, seems kinda fishy to me.

If these words don't connote Jihad war, but instead mean deep thought, there sure is a lotta allegory in Moslem commentary.

It's....... like poetry.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at March 29, 2007 7:51 PM

If reform of Islam is what we seek, J. Monet l for one do not believe reform is possible, it seems that islam has been created by the devil himself, and has in it self destruct modes for any person wanting a change, and for those wanting to leave islam.
l have come to the conclusion that western society cannot survive with islam, and will eventually have to label it a terrorist organization. those who want to follow islam are welcome to leave.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at March 29, 2007 9:26 PM

Valeria Paicentini, running female dog of the Islamics she.

Yes, yes, we've heard all that before: "Jihad means 'defense'--when Islamic lands (any place where Islamics believe they should rule in the entire world) are attacked."

This Italian female running dog is playing into the hands of the Islamics--who have nothing but contempt for her, and for all dhimmis bowing under the dull sword of Islam.

Posted by: unicorns62000 at March 29, 2007 11:30 PM

Let me see if I have this correct or not. Is she saying that the Muslims because the Western world does not know the true meaning of jihad, and consequently, we have told the Muslims the wrong meaning, and they are out there killing everybody because we, the Western world, got their holy book wrong? It's all so terribly obvious when you think about it.

Of course, since we write "jihad" in a language other than Arabic, they shouldn't really be paying any attention to what we have say at all. What should be equally true is the fact that since most Muslims on this planet cannot speak or read Arabic, none of them should know anything about the "true" meaning of Islam. That being the case, we should all be having one big group hug and be able to by some very cheap oil while we're at it.

Posted by: RIslander at March 30, 2007 7:48 AM

What's in a name ?

Shit by any other name would smell as bad.

Posted by: proud-hindu at March 30, 2007 9:19 AM

There is an odor to the timing of this piece.

Italian professor of Islamic culture Valeria Paicentini on Thursday [3/30/07)

and then today one finds this -

Telegraph, 3/30/07

The European Union has drawn up guidelines advising government spokesmen to refrain from linking Islam and terrorism in their statements. Brussels officials have confirmed the existence of a classified handbook which offers "non-offensive" phrases to use when announcing anti-terrorist operations or dealing with terrorist attacks.

Banned terms are said to include "jihad", "Islamic" or "fundamentalist". The word "jihad" is to be avoided altogether, according to some sources, because for Muslims the word can mean a personal struggle to live a moral life.
One alternative, suggested publicly last year, is for the term "Islamic terrorism" to be replaced by "terrorists who abusively invoke Islam".

An EU official said that the secret guidebook, or, "common lexicon", is aimed at preventing the distortion of the Muslim faith and the alienation of Muslims in Europe.

The timing of both these reports wreaks of the kind of underhanded orchestration described by Bat Ye'or in her book "Eurabia".

Posted by: justamomof4 at March 30, 2007 9:55 AM

The word you are looking for is "Hirabah," And I am laughing at the latest posturing by yet another Middle-Eastern "piss-ant" Ahmanutjob. Another "Arab" army to roll-over.

Posted by: IOWarrrior at March 30, 2007 4:13 PM

Who the Hell is this woman? I never heard of her. Certainly not even comparable, in terms of publicity (so far) to Esposito or Karen Armstrong.

Posted by: Paolo at March 31, 2007 5:08 PM

Oh, and about her title of "Professor": after a couple of legislative changes, new universities are springing up in Italy like musrhooms. I wonder whether this lady pertains to a genuine university, a new one - or even claims the title in vain, according to the Italian convention whereby every middle and high school teacher is a "professor"

Posted by: Paolo at March 31, 2007 5:11 PM