Keep playing your little games ...

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at March 29, 2007 1:42 PM

Time we showed them the 'correct attitude' and bomb them back to the stone age.

Posted by: Razdan at March 29, 2007 1:44 PM

Britain will be pushed until they push back. Now is the time. Push back or return to the island, close the door and hope for a good life until Islam kicks the door in. Then, Britons will be slaves.

Posted by: Marvin at March 29, 2007 1:44 PM

That guy in the picture is even uglier than Imanutjob.

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at March 29, 2007 1:45 PM

Well we must applaud when the west shows a little "incorrect attitude"!

My wish is that this "incorrect attitude" grow and stamp out the imbecility of multiculturalism and tolerance of everything non western and non-Christian.

http://www.realclearreligion.com

Posted by: genevieve at March 29, 2007 1:48 PM

Time for someone in the British Government (that is if they still have one) to grow some balls the size of watermelons and show these scumbags the "proper attitude".....Do it now, Mr. Blair, and stop being a girlee man!......Go and get your people!!!!.....NOW!!!!......

Posted by: Oiznop at March 29, 2007 1:54 PM

Goons, goons, goons. How long will we continue to reward this infantile, bratty behavior?

When our embassy was overtaken, we should have given the Iranians notice that unless they released our people unharmed within 48 hours, we would begin bombing their cities.

Why do we not answer these clear acts of war with sufficient force to deter this kind of behavior? We just open ourselves up to more outrageous and dangerous defiance by these arrogant people.

Posted by: Stand fast in the liberty at March 29, 2007 2:00 PM

I am just going by the facts of this article and the papers.

But here are some questions.

Why did the female hostage have to look so ridiculous covered up in that black representation of death scarf that people in the West wear at funerals on TV too? So now releasing the woman with her punishments would look bad to the world if they treat her badly so that the women activists in Iran would not protest if they did end up threatening her with death.

Why should the soldiers hang? All they did if the case was true is pass over an open sea boarder, if that was a mistake let them go why kill them is it to prove they mean business and they’re Islam? If this is the attitude with 15 captives how would they handle nuclear power along with statements of wiping out Israel, so it is a reality after all? Has their Islamic culture and Jihad attitude as a nation really for once been exposed that maybe Iran just an extremist nation?

· Why did according to the BCC Iran changed their minds on the location of the marines boarder lines, was it that they made a mistake and are so unorganised and don’t even know their own geography that they made it up as they went along because it looks that way.

Is this a conspiracy to create that spiritual war that they keep going on about?

Why is it that the UK is wrong and they never admit with all the facts given and proven that the British have the wrong attitude? Is it I or does that sound like a page of the Koran and the demands Muslims make over Western society by complaining about alcohol in cabs and crosses in schools? Can one not see the same attributes through the teaching of Muhammad that has created a clone race of some of the most bizarre rules and intolerance for mankind?

I like how these soldiers are aggressors when you can be hanged or killed for supporting another religion on the whole nation of people whist’s aggressively being treated second class for being a non Muslim in a Middle Eastern country.

At least at Guantanamo bay they don't hang.

Posted by: jesusisthelamb at March 29, 2007 2:05 PM

The more outrages radical Islam commits, the more the West wakes.

More, please.

And worse.

Posted by: profitsbeard at March 29, 2007 2:09 PM

What could be "more" or "worse" than the Beslan masaccre? I don't know if the west has enough sense to ever wake up.

Posted by: fedupinamerica at March 29, 2007 2:15 PM

What could be "more" or "worse" than the Beslan masaccre? I don't know if the west has enough sense to ever wake up.

Posted by: fedupinamerica
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I know what is worse. Russia helping this Islamic run country with nuclear power after what happened with Beslan. Some people never learn.

Posted by: jesusisthelamb at March 29, 2007 2:23 PM

jesusisthelamb your points show logic followed by people with morales, something the iranians government do not have. iranina thugs only know and respect force, and that is what British government ned to show.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at March 29, 2007 2:23 PM

The release of kidnapped British sailor Faye Turney is on hold after Iran accused Britain of having an "incorrect attitude".

I wish we'd have a more "politically incorrect attitude".

SCREW iran!

Posted by: Allahfanculo at March 29, 2007 2:26 PM

Maybe Dumbya will apologize for the British, to the Iraniancs.

He didn't mind doing that when China illegally shot down our most-sophisticated spy plane.

Wait 'til Iran kidnaps some American Marines or Sailors... what am I saying? The Navy and Marine Corps wouldn't let an Iraniac ship within SIGHT of it, much less be boarded and have the crew abducted.

Um.. weren't there any fighter jets, or attack helicoptors in the vicinity? Do the British back their troops up with firepower?

Note to Britain: If you let the Iraniacs win this one, they'll come after Prince Harry NEXT.

WTF would the UK have done if Harry had been taken instead of the 15 "ordinary lives"?

Damn... this is lose-lose. Either the UK doesn't attack and Iran chalks it up as a "victory" and rallies their idiot masses for more terror attacks... OR England DOES fight back, in which case thousands of jihadis in England start terrorizing the non-Muslims.

Good luck, people of Old Europe.

Posted by: kj at March 29, 2007 2:26 PM

Hate to say it, but this seems like a win-win for Iran- if the U.K. sticks strictly to diplomacy, Iran will see this as an understandable sign of weakness, and be emboldened. If the U.K. exercises any sort of military action, Iran may see it as a move that will hasten the arrival of the "mahdi," and may escalate hostilities.

The odds are against a quick happy ending here.

Posted by: s at March 29, 2007 2:42 PM

Has Britain got ANY sort of effective military capability these days?
Reading Melanie Phillips,
http://www.melaniephillips.com/diary/index.php
leaves me with the impression that most of what could ave been used to maintain an effective military was spent on socialist utopian policies.

It seems that much of Western Europe is unprepared for war these days.

Posted by: Mike_W at March 29, 2007 2:53 PM

Hmmm. Used to be that this kind of thing was an act of war.

Posted by: Know Your Enemy at March 29, 2007 2:57 PM

When Iran gets nuked, we'll see who had the "wrong" attitude.

Posted by: pythagoras at March 29, 2007 2:59 PM

http://www.jihadwatch.org/tehran03AP_468x313.jpg

This image could very well have been taken on the streets of London.

Posted by: george_rem at March 29, 2007 3:02 PM

fedupinamerica-

Iran with a nuke could be "more" and "worse".

The impact of Beslan was blunted by the Western media when they played it as a "Chechen rebel" act not an "Islamic jihadist" strike. Plus, it was also spun as "retaliation against Russian cruelties" committed against the "poor Chechens" in their ongoing war, and not as an act of global Islamic terrorism.

I get it, but the somnambulist class in the Infidel Zone will still take a lot of bloody smelling salts to rouse them from their multicultural dream.

I'm hoping it won't take a WMD.

But whatever we have to suffer to wake and preserve our Civilization is ultimately better than being over-run by the theocratic despots of Mohammad.

Posted by: profitsbeard at March 29, 2007 3:07 PM

Blair does have it in him if he is pushed. The problem is the push is not from Iran, but will take a Thatcher to do it.

This is a game of brinkmanship and Iran chose the British due to their limitations and to wedge between the Anglo American alliance.

In the election before Dwight Eisnehower was voted as President, DE told the North Koreans and Chicoms that the war was over in Korea and it was either settled or he would use nuclear weapons.
I believe we are the stage and status of this war that Sam Cohen's doctrine must be employed as the populace is frustrated and refusing money and to expend lives for national security.
Therefore Prime Minister Blair with no options past the Security Council should inform MI 5 and the British Military that a state of martial law will exist in Great Britain in which curfews and those who violate laws will be shot on sight, for the expressed purpose of Mr. Blair informing Iran that the British hostages will be returned by the stated date, (10 days as it would take that period to probably position their nuclear submarines), and if the hostages were not returned that Great Britain will vaporize Iran.

This will keep England secure from certain Islamic riots and anarchy at home and set the stage for this issue to be resolved once and for all.
The United States will have to sign off on this and the leaders of France, Germany, the Israeli state and the NATO powers alerted as Iran has nukes which it probably will lob out in response.

England, Blair and the alliance can not deal with another Carter hostage situation and wait for a Reagan who would end the situation by force. This should be Blair's ultimatum in the Eisenhower Doctrine which ended the Korean War and the Reagan Doctrine which brough hostages home.

It will be a mess, but better the mess in Tehran than the larger mess in London, Tel Aviv and New York within 2 years.

Posted by: Lame Cherry at March 29, 2007 3:13 PM

Ahmedinejad is having all kinds of fun. Oil is up to $67/bbl, tripling his profit margins. He gets to play with the stupid Dhimmis. And best of all, this tough guy stuff has fixed the problem he’s been having ever since sanctions took away his Viagra.

He’s playing us like a violin and having a great time. That female Sailor would make a nice third wife. And we’ll have fun fun fun till daddy takes the T-Bird away.

Posted by: pez at March 29, 2007 3:25 PM

"The hostage crisis also took a sinister new turn as a hate mob in Tehran demanded that the 15 captured British Navy personnel be hanged."

....do muslims have any other kind of protest?...

...As I said yesterday, the reply should be "release the hostages within 24 hours or else...then when the hostages are executed...turn Iran into a dust bowl...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at March 29, 2007 3:26 PM

amen to that, profitsbeard

Posted by: fedupinamerica at March 29, 2007 3:26 PM

This is an act of war that needs to be answered with one.

People have their undies in a bunch that we can't take another middle east conflict. That is incorrect... we can't take another middle east OCCUPATION, hell, we can't even manage one.

Doing what our military is designed to do, however, which is leveling tactical forces and infrastructure, we're obviously more than capable of. As long as we don't get the silly idea in our heads that we can introduce democracy...

Posted by: Mikhail Danilov at March 29, 2007 4:16 PM

I do not see any reason for people to be slamming Britain with having no balls and not responding. The last time I checked Britain has the 2nd largest contingant of military in Iraq.

They are our ally, and I think it would be better for us to focus our condemnation on Iran for doing this, and the immoral U.N., and the stupid E.U. not standing with the U.K.

Our ally needs our support not our critisism.

All western countries have not stood up strong enough to the muslim countries...we are all guilty of that.

Together we stand-divided we fall.

Posted by: alaskan1000 at March 29, 2007 4:28 PM

"Therefore Prime Minister Blair with no options past the Security Council should inform MI 5 and the British Military that a state of martial law will exist in Great Britain in which curfews and those who violate laws will be shot on sight, for the expressed purpose of Mr. Blair informing Iran that the British hostages will be returned by the stated date, (10 days as it would take that period to probably position their nuclear submarines), and if the hostages were not returned that Great Britain will vaporize Iran."

ok people, now we are really getting silly. vapourizing millions of innocent people isnt the way forward because british soldiers have been taken prisoner.

let the iranians fall on their assess, let them show the world what fools they are, which thankfully they are doing. this is mass publicity for islam! lets revelling in their stupidity. british nationalism is on its way up each day due to muslims and their inferiority complexes. its a matter of when not if a western nation will swing to the extreme right.

what we need now is for the british government to secure the release of the hostages, whatever it takes and then to start secret talks, meetings and training with the underground anti theocracy and anti IRG forces. and to promote a revolution within iran, supplying arms, special forces and logistical air power if needed. what we don't need now is to piss off the entire iranian population and send them all to islamic fundamentalism by launching a few haphazard and ecologically devestating cruise missiles against their oil refiniries (which has been mentioned here) and flattening down innocent residential areas.

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at March 29, 2007 4:30 PM

Lame Cherry, although I admire Reagan as one of our better presidents of this century, his failure to act against iran after the marine barracks atrocity was regarded by the mullocracy, correctly, as evidence of lack of American resolve.

Posted by: Infidel33 at March 29, 2007 4:56 PM

Oops, meant to say "of the twentieth century"

Posted by: Infidel33 at March 29, 2007 5:02 PM

BBC news reporting. Just a note to say that I find more information on the Iranian Hostage situation on this website than on the BBC site. The BBC is providing next to nothing at all in the way of news reporting on this subject. I am finally convinced of the rumours of the BBC's demise as a truthful authoritative news source. I used to take such pride in the BBC, now I am ashamed that it has degenerated into providing such skewed reporting. Any chance to bash the US on any topic seems to get huge space on the website and on the Have Your Say section. However, when events not favourable to Muslims are in the news, the BBC has little of nothing to say or seems to put a slant on the news. IE: the recent HYS section has forum asking if Iran was being treated unfairly! I can get more complkete and factual news from this site, CNN, Foxnews, and even The Sun than the BBC. So much for deeming oneself to be the worlds best news service. And to think we pay a licence fee for the privledge.

Posted by: cswift at March 29, 2007 5:21 PM

Taking hostages is about the only thing the Iranians have gotten good at, that and making the US and the not so Great Britian look foolish and impotent.

I can damn near gurantee that nothing will happen. There will be the usual diplomatic language that contains the pseudo-threats that really mean nothing to ordinary people. It also means nothing to the Iranian leadership. I'll repeat it: NOTHING WILL BE DONE. If they are released in the next six months, it means that Blair kissed Ahmadinijad's arse.

The hostage situation of 1979 did not end until Ronald Reagan was sworn in. I believe that some behind the scenes statements were made that truly scared the yellow water out of the Iranians. Reagan was unknown to the Iranians, they know Blair and Bush all too well.

Posted by: Pelayo at March 29, 2007 5:38 PM

Constantinople

if we took your measures then a military dictatorship would have to be enforced in the western nations to counter the islamic and socialist backlash. there would be a civil war all across europe and the middle eastern countries could simply walk right over us with the aid of china and russia.

what is needed is an iranian revolution backed by western special forces and cash. this way we can win the peoples hearts and minds. not turn them into mindless islamic zombies!

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at March 29, 2007 5:42 PM

I have been reading the tea leaves for President Albert II of Iran and I firmly predict that his country is going to get it in the neck in a very big way rather soon.

For starters the Iranian attempt to create their own oil bourse dealing in euros is nearly ready to open. Secondly they are trying to build nuclear weapons which of course no sane American President can allow given the obvious hatred of the current regime in Iran and there propensity to act like complete t@ss$rs. Thirdly it would suit the allies in Iraq very well if Iran and especially the Republican Guard were given a good kicking.

Taking the soon to be opened Iranian oil bourse in isolation it is of no use to the Iranians if buyers are worried about the stability of the Icountry. You’re going to buy your oil in dollars in stable places, i.e. London and New York. And nothing in this solar system at least signals a bigger threat than the US military conducting massive war games off an enemy’s coast.

So if you are President Albert II and you want to open your own oil market dealing in Euros why would you further destabilise your chances of success by nabbing British sailors in international waters? The only idea I can come up with is that the Russians have told him he is about to get bombed and he wants bargaining chips. Sounds like a desperate act to me.

Of course he could have grabbed some Americans but then he would undoubtedly have given Mr Bush all the reasons he needed to obliterate the Mullahs.

Unfortunately 'His Tonyness' had already told the world that Britain would not attack Iran, and thanks to our so called European NATO allies we are on the front line in Helmand fighting every beard wearing disjointed lunatic within a thousand miles.

But what amazes me is that even though America seems to be waiting for a reason to flatten Iran they haven’t chimed in yet. I mean shit even the cheese eating surrender monkeys in France have stated solidarity.

At the end of the day though, we have only ourselves to blame for voting in a government that likes a war but won’t pay for it.

Posted by: Mert at March 29, 2007 5:44 PM

cswift:
The BBC is providing next to nothing at all in the way of news reporting on this subject. I am finally convinced of the rumours of the BBC's demise as a truthful authoritative news source. I used to take such pride in the BBC, now I am ashamed that it has degenerated into providing such skewed reporting.

It is partly the fog of political correctness for media organisations. As media do you

1) Report what you see, make no judgements, like Truman Capote's "In Cold Blood" and leave it up to the reader/viewer to form judgements, make conclusions?
2) Try and educate the reader/viewer?

The BBC have gone for option 2).
But that always comes with a worldview to "help" the reader/viewer. And the BBC's worldview is coloured by political correctness, leftness, multicultralism, post-colonial guilt of whites - all of which can be exploited by Muslims.

I read an article where a journalist working for the BBC felt isolated and several times even "damned" because he had Conservative leanings (equivalent to Republican party for Americans here). Surely in an organisation as large as the BBC - all political viewpoints should be represented?

And I have noticed that when the BBC reported the riots in Paris in late 2005, not once did it mention that the youths were North African or Muslim. When I tried posting articles on "Have your Say" or even BBC moderators, they just never appeared or responded.

The BBC is still one of the top media outlets in the world. But it is not as good as it was in that it employs heavy editing when it should not.
Very sad.
Having said that, there are very few media outlets I fully respect for totally unbiased journalism. One could say that the current Islamic problem uis an acid test of the unbiasedness.

Posted by: UK Infidel Lover at March 29, 2007 5:46 PM

The Brits have GPS recordings and satellite imagery showing that the sailors and marines were in IRAQI waters and that the Iranians made an incursion into Iraqi territorial watersto capture them.

Posted by: CGW at March 29, 2007 5:48 PM

Constantinople - there IS a difference between TRUE Christians (i.e. those who support Israel and understand their place as God's chosen people) and nominal ones that are into replacement theology and who boycott Israeli goods. In fact, ask yourself how many so-called christians in the middle east hate Israel. They are NOT true Christians. When you see an arab Christian and a Jewish Christian hug, THEN you see REAL Christianity.

You're right, awful things have been done in the name of christianity - awful things - EVEN to the REAL Christians (burning at the stake, etc.) by hateful, controlling so-called nominal christian organisations.

You'll know them by their fruit.

Posted by: The Goobs at March 29, 2007 5:49 PM

The Brits have GPS recordings and satellite imagery showing that the sailors and marines were in IRAQI waters and that the Iranians made an incursion into Iraqi territorial waters to capture them.

Posted by: CGW at March 29, 2007 5:49 PM

Surely in an organisation as large as the BBC - all political viewpoints should be represented?

In truth no political view should be represented.

Posted by: Mert at March 29, 2007 5:50 PM

I do agree that Britain has an incorrect attitude. So does the United States, other members of the EU, Thailand, India and Australia.

One country that comes to mind with a proper attitude is Eithiopia.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at March 29, 2007 5:50 PM

When will people learn that truth and honor mean nothing to Muslims?Did anyone really expect Iran to keep its word and release a female soldier that had been captured illegally? If I recall there was a bounty offered for the capture of female British soldiers in Iraq. My guess is the young woman has already been raped just as American female soldiers who were captured were raped by the "holy warriors" in both Gulf war 1 and Gulf war 2.People worldwide are learning everyday about Islam and most people don't like what they see. Things are going to end badly for Muslims, I predict much sooner then arrogant Muslims think.

Posted by: Roxane at March 29, 2007 5:57 PM

It is one thing to deal out some punishment using warplanes and artillery in a cesspit country like Somalia, where the gun rules and the biggest guns can’t threaten warplanes or artillery.

It is another when you’re dealing with a communist backed regime on the brink of joining the nuclear club who happens to own 5% of the world oil market.

Posted by: Mert at March 29, 2007 6:02 PM

leonthepigfarmer,

Europe's real choices are now limited: civil war now, or descent into dhimmitude and slavery later.

Patrick Henry's words are appropriate:

There is no longer any room for hope. If we wish to be free--if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending--if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained--we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of hosts is all that is left us! They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength but irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations, and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable--and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come.

It is in vain, sir, to extentuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace--but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

Posted by: PapaBear at March 29, 2007 6:03 PM

Uhhhhh.....about that letter from the ten year old kid.

Are they sure it wasn't by imanutajiba himself? You know he's kind of short and well to put it plainly .....the ten year old mentality.

What i want to know is....

1) why aren't there at least 15 burning and sinking ships in plain view from the castle in tehran?

2) How many times are we going to allow these balatant attacks by these swine?

There has to be something that can be done to get a point across to these wienies.Between the U.S. and U.K. we have the most superior special forces on this planet.Just make something disappear in Iran PLEASE!!!!!!!

And as far as Saudi Arabia bith slap that punk too.Are these people so far up our behinds that we can't see what to do?

GIVE ME A BREAK.

Screw Iraq use the money we plan to GIVE them and fund our own terrorism in these wack job hell holes.

Can you read my lips? JIHAD THAT JIHAD

Posted by: Dar al-harb at March 29, 2007 6:05 PM

Clap, Clap, Clap.

Posted by: Mert at March 29, 2007 6:08 PM

I’m sorry papbear but I am having a bad week and I don’t see why you shouldn’t either.

If you think the speech of your revolutionary hero is fitting while the British Army is cleaning up your mess in Afghanistan, then I believe your idiocy is not worth the death of Marine Jonathan Holland, 23. This young man went to my old school.

We fight at your side and you come up with that?

Posted by: Mert at March 29, 2007 6:28 PM

I sit here tonight and laugh at the Brits! They've become a joke of a world power. Geez thank God it wasn't American Marines captured, of course if it had been the other way arround the dems would have blamed this on President Bush. Old mo lies to the free world, and most of the free world eats his garbage up. When the next strike comes, and it will be nuclear. Will the free world sit on it's hands. I'll bet it does, and then mo will have more power.

Posted by: AMartinez at March 29, 2007 6:29 PM

My knee-jerk reaction is that Britain should give Iran a REAL example of "incorrect attitude".

The phone call: "Blair here, put Ahmadinejad on the line please.... Mahmoud? Look out your window --
see those tiny dots in the sky getting bigger as you look? Yes, our aircraft. Yes, bombs on board. Do be a good fellow and release our sailors before our planes are overhead. Our military are indeed prepared to give their lives for our country, we're quite willing to observe Fifteen Martyred Sailors Day every March 30th in England, if you get my drift. What's your answer- NOW! "

Posted by: A_Nonny_Mouse at March 29, 2007 6:30 PM

The only thing one needs to say about the Crusades is that Islam started it and the Christians finished it!

The Christians only took back what islam stole and went no further into conquest.Islam hasn't given any land back it conquered.Why would anyone else have to? Because it's islams and it's allahs will? (spit)

If one really saw the big picture islam and it's hoity toity leaders probably feel like huge failures for not being able to conquer the world for allah (spit) yet.Thats what really riles them.

LOSERS,LOSERS,LOSERS,LOSERS,LOSERS,LOSERSLOSERS!!

SORE LOSERS.

When will these cretons learn that even thier darkest darkness couldn't penetrate the brightest of light.It didn't then it hasn't yet and it won't.

You Americanphobes,Freedomphobes and civilityphobes and hunmanphobes have a great day.

Go stay warm,stay cool,fill your bellys and dress yourselves all sponsored by an islamaphobe and all around stone cold monster here at home in Dar al-harb,in the belly of the beast.May you see allah soon as you wish it or at least your masters wish it.I care niether way.

And all that jazz.

Posted by: Dar al-harb at March 29, 2007 6:43 PM

The more I think about it the better this sounds. Islam is on the offensive in Africa. Ethiopia is a sovereign nation and the Ethiopian Army seems to be pretty effective in winning on the ground. Africans were enslaved by Muslims and are owed a debt.

Why doesn’t Ethiopia invade Iran, with a little help from their friends, and claim the oilfields as reparations? Ethiopia has 75 million people who, if I understand correctly, are warriors and could relocate the sign held by the gentleman in the picture from his hand to another part of his body.

Ethiopia would get $35 billion annually to feed their people and counter the African Jihad. The North Ethiopian oil fields would be stable. The Arabs would be intimidated and enraged by militant Africans neighbors.

A little attitude adjustment for our friend in Tehran, all done in the name of social justice.

Posted by: pez at March 29, 2007 7:10 PM

MERT,The sad truth is that if it were U.S. military in the same situation.It would still be the same situation.

I fail to see the mess that is ours in afghanastan.
The more fitting and perhaps your bad week makes you see things awry is that Britain has made it's own bed.It has given too much of itself for the Grandest of illusions.

The only fault i see is that of Carter who just may have put into these wackos heads that this tactic might get them something.

One wonders though from recent past just how far Britain will bow to the cretons.

I don't know with what frame of mind papabear wrote his post but my personal feeling is that he was rallying the troops to stand united with the sister of America.As i feel now perhaps many here do,as papabear does.

I have read article after article by 'experts' stating why not to fight these people.Never are there the articles of why they deserve to be warred with and why they need to be shamed and brought to taste reality.

Mert there needs to be a united reason to destroy this thing that has been rearing it's ugly head for decades let alone centuries.There is a reason,there are many reasons.

One why not too i can't personaly fathom.There are five billion people to rally against these thugs minus those that ally itself with it.They deserve the same wrath that befalls the "Thing that shouldn't be".

I feel for you and your friend you went to school with,him being there but i too have much to lose i have family in the service.While most still may not see why they are over there my family,my protectors know why they have to be there .Not because they support Bush or his cronies. Not to fight for oil.If you still haven't gotten the reasons why i fear my saying so still won't occur to you.

Maybe papabear rushed to the call to arms speach too soon.we all have.Persoannly i feel yesterday was too late as it is to mess these cretons up they need to be beat and they need it really bad.

Make no mistake about it it will happen,they want it,the nut bags do in many many ways they have fired the first shot but as usual all have to suffer the political fallout with death after death before the ones with the brains and the sacks step up.

Papabear can correct me if i am wrong about his post but i think the jest of it is there.

He was rallying the troops in a unison with our sister nation.

Allies shouldn'r fight allies thats the first step to defeat.Besides we all have a skeleton or two in the closet as far as nations go.There is no perfect one.

Posted by: Dar al-harb at March 29, 2007 7:16 PM

MERT,The sad truth is that if it were U.S. military in the same situation.It would still be the same situation.

I fail to see the mess that is ours in afghanastan.
The more fitting and perhaps your bad week makes you see things awry is that Britain has made it's own bed.It has given too much of itself for the Grandest of illusions.

The only fault i see is that of Carter who just may have put into these wackos heads that this tactic might get them something.

One wonders though from recent past just how far Britain will bow to the cretons.

I don't know with what frame of mind papabear wrote his post but my personal feeling is that he was rallying the troops to stand united with the sister of America.As i feel now perhaps many here do,as papabear does.

I have read article after article by 'experts' stating why not to fight these people.Never are there the articles of why they deserve to be warred with and why they need to be shamed and brought to taste reality.

Mert there needs to be a united reason to destroy this thing that has been rearing it's ugly head for decades let alone centuries.There is a reason,there are many reasons.

One why not too i can't personaly fathom.There are five billion people to rally against these thugs minus those that ally itself with it.They deserve the same wrath that befalls the "Thing that shouldn't be".

I feel for you and your friend you went to school with,him being there but i too have much to lose i have family in the service.While most still may not see why they are over there my family,my protectors know why they have to be there .Not because they support Bush or his cronies. Not to fight for oil.If you still haven't gotten the reasons why i fear my saying so still won't occur to you.

Maybe papabear rushed to the call to arms speach too soon.we all have.Persoannly i feel yesterday was too late as it is to mess these cretons up they need to be beat and they need it really bad.

Make no mistake about it it will happen,they want it,the nut bags do in many many ways they have fired the first shot but as usual all have to suffer the political fallout with death after death before the ones with the brains and the sacks step up.

Papabear can correct me if i am wrong about his post but i think the jest of it is there.

He was rallying the troops in a unison with our sister nation.

Allies shouldn'r fight allies thats the first step to defeat.Besides we all have a skeleton or two in the closet as far as nations go.There is no perfect one.

Posted by: Dar al-harb at March 29, 2007 7:16 PM

I agree mate allies should not fight. The Shia and the Sunni are thankfully incapable of that kind of solidarity.

As for my bad week I must admit that it is entirely personal. It was just the “Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house?” bit that wound me up.

As for cleaning up your mess in Afghanistan I stand firmly behind the belief that Britain is strengthening its troops in Helmand in response to the fact that NATO and America are not pulling their weight. But perhaps in a twisted sort of way it is better that we remove our troops from the towns of Iraq and send them to the desolate killing grounds of Afghanistan where we are more effective.

Finally I must admit that the British baiting on this site recently has completely wound me up. I wouldn’t mind if we were sat on our arse like France, but we are there in the middle of every battle and to be frank America needs friends not enemies.

If people don’t want our help then fair enough. Just don’t expect us to die supporting you while you slag us off.

Posted by: Mert at March 29, 2007 7:40 PM

Heck, Mert I hate to see any Brit or any freedom loving individual get fired up. Gosh that would mean that the irianians hav started war with the brits also, ours as Americans started in the 70's when carter allowed the irianians to capture hostiages unpunished. Now it would seem the free world is reaping it's just desserts. Appeasement never benefits free people.

Posted by: AMartinez at March 29, 2007 8:16 PM

I have an idea after they kill the soldiers the British politicians should say they know Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance because they forget to mention tolerance don't they? Then they should allow a Muslim in parliament and Build a new Mosque to show that they don't blame Islamic rules due to its religion of peace for killing the soldiers. Come on Britain you sound like this already why don't you send money to the Iranians too show that you are not trying to offend the religion for the sake of Political correctness I want to see how annoying you can be so its in the history books.

Posted by: jesusisthelamb at March 29, 2007 8:22 PM

Also mate allies will fight and disagree, but allies won't kill each other over disagreements. allah kills for the shear joy of killing, why its in the garbagekoran.

Posted by: AMartinez at March 29, 2007 8:26 PM

The abduction of 15 Brits from inside Iraqi waters is a blatant act of aggression. Ahmad may want to deliberately provoke the Brits and their allies into war to distract his people from the problems of the current regime.

Even Crown Prince Abdullah at the Arab Summit criticized the US and allies for what he called an 'illegitimate' occupation of Iraq. American lives have paid for the liberation of Iraq, not to mention considerable expenditures to try to rebuild and stabilize Iraq. How much Saudi blood and Saudi funds have been offered to accomplish what America and the Brits, Aussies and Allies have accomplished? Now, our presence (laying down our lives for an Iraqi peace, sweating and straining to preserve civil order, dodging bullets, is suddenly "illegitimate." We are unwelcome on Muslim soil.

Yes,the Arab Summit is now rallying around the cause of Muslim self-determination. Not Arab self-determination. Muslim self-determination. The Muslim World. The Muslim World. The Muslim World. Not the world. The MUSLIM WORLD. Get out US. Get out Brits. Don't let the door knock your kiesters on the way out.

If the Arab Summit has any power over Ahmad they will tell him to release the HOSTAGES. For, whatever harm comes to these 15 and all the other hostages they still have, is certainly going to be a DETERRENT to the US, Brits and the UN birthing the Palestinian (terrorist) State. Cause if these Muslim Supremacists think that they can kill our men and women with impunity and we'll still help them achieve their goal of Muslim aggression against Israel through a Palestinian (terrorist) state, they are wrong.

Posted by: BurkasforHitlery at March 29, 2007 8:40 PM

Anyone else here past being fed up with your way of life being threatened with destruction on an almost dailt basis? and our govt's ( Western) letting Persians and Arabs run amuck and get away with behaviour/Evils that in past generations and era's would bring about nothing less than their destruction?

We better start realizing that Freedom has a very high price and the time is coming where he have to pay our dues( again) and buck up. Iran and the Muslim world are ratcheting things up a notch , and it won't be long till someone in a neighborhood near you will be dragged in off the streets and murdered .

I've about had it with Iran and their Evil

Posted by: MoBlows at March 29, 2007 9:00 PM

I agree with the sentinment that there is too much picking on Britain going on here. Britain has the same PC-fog "blame Britain first" MSM that the US has. If Jihad is further along in the U.K. than in the U.S. it is largely because of the U.K.'s geographical location--it is closer to continental Europe and it is closer to the ME. Once again, we in the U.S. benefit from a large ocean.

Hostages are a very very sensitive issue in open societies with 24 hour cable news. Everyone who posts regularly on this site and who is not a troll is looking for decisive action on the part of the West. I sincerely hope that the UK has issued an ultimatum to Iran in private that involves specific escalating steps. That is the most effective way to get the sailors back, and in the short term, that has to be goal #1. The public threats and escalation should occur only after the private attempts fail.

Countries such as the U.S., Britain, Australia, Poland, and others are obviously far from perfect, but they are vastly superior to the dens of dhimmis found in France or Spain (although you do have to give that cartoon t-shirt wearing widow kudos). As a whole, the governments of the West are simply not up to snuff on Jihad because of cultural and media weaknesses. The U.S. may be incrementally better than the U.K., but Australia may be incrementally better than the U.S., etc. We need to work on getting the message out, no doubt about that.

We also need to keep things in perspective. Britain is in fact the only European power with a military that is actually helpful to U.S. forces when conducting operations with U.S. forces. On the issue of Jihad, the political leadership in the U.K. is actually worse than in the U.S., which is a scary thought. Is there another country in Europe with any type of credibility on foreign policy matters?

We are on the same side. Lets remember that. Lets also try to remember that on this site, we are allied together in a common cause. We do not all agree on the desired course of action, but we do know that we share an earnest concern to defeat Jihad and save the West. We need to encourage each other in the face of very troubling circumstances.

If postings on this site just get the UK folks down, disenchanted, or otherwise disconnected from the rest of us, we are not helping the cause.

For those of us who are believers, lets make sure to pray for the safety of the UK service people. For those who are not believers, please keep them in your hearts. We are in for some rough rough waters---we all know that. We will need friends to get us through the tough times ahead. I for one cannot imagine a future defense of liberty in which the UK does not play an important role.

I will also pray that PM Blair and President Bush find inspiration in leaders such as the Thatchers, Churchills, Roosevelts, and Reagans of history. I hope to God that there are communications going on in secret that would make us have more confidence in our leaders.

Posted by: JSobieski at March 29, 2007 9:30 PM

I am a Briton, but am aware of the popular American TV host, Rosie O'Donnell, known for her extreme liberal views. I believe that she is now claiming that the arrest of the 15 British sailors by Iran was "a hoax", meaning that the event was concocted to give the West an excuse to attack Iran. I have no doubt that the demented far-left in Britain is probably also saying the same thing. I also believe that Ms. Rosie O'Donnell is a lesbian (nothing wrong with that), a condition for which the Islamic world has zero tolerance. Interesting how there are now so many in the western world who, with unnatural alacrity, spring to the defence of those who would do them harm. I think it was Nietzsche who said something along the lines that the ultimate in decadence is to tolerate that which would do you harm. In that sense, the western world, or at least a large swath of it, truly has become decadent; a fact that is probably not lost on the Islamists.

Posted by: The Northumbrian at March 29, 2007 10:03 PM

As an American I'm discusted and dismayed over the Brits responce. As an American also I'm repulsed the rosie even gets air time. That shows how much Americans have become lax in this fight with islam. islam is at your door step, shall it be welcomed in? Oh and at least the press, and the rosies and outher liberials will be the first to bow to the knife.

Posted by: AMartinez at March 29, 2007 10:11 PM

O.T. Honest Journalists

One journalist I admire is William Shirer. He wrote many books about Hitler's Nazi movement and warned America about Hitler's movement back in the 1930's. What happened about these warning? England and America slept. There was even a movie about Shirer's life about 10 years ago.

On journalist I can think of today who is like Shirer is Daniel Pipes. Who are others?

Posted by: The Resistance at March 29, 2007 11:23 PM

Let's roll!

Posted by: The Resistance at March 29, 2007 11:36 PM

Palayo says:

"Reagan was unknown to the Iranians, they know Blair and Bush all too well."

That's because Blair and Bush are gutless candy-asses. If Reagan and Thatcher were in power right now, the outcome of this hostage crisis could be different.

Posted by: The Resistance at March 29, 2007 11:42 PM

They have no intention to free them.

Posted by: hemoglobin at March 30, 2007 2:52 AM

Iran: Britain has "incorrect attitude"

For once, I absolutely agree - the Iranian Navy should have been a heap of twisted, smoking metal 48 hours after these people were taken, with their air force and all other military assets in quick succession.

Posted by: thomas ato at March 30, 2007 5:04 AM

Iranian TV to air 'confession'

Iran's official TV channel Al-Alam has said it is planning to broadcast an interview with one of the 15 British service personnel detained last week.

It claims the interview will include a confession. The channel did not say what the confession would contain or the identity of the sailor involved

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_2265274.html?menu=

So you see they will threaten or torture a confession out of someone now and make an excuse to kill them because that is the way the middle east does things. Saddam used this tactic on innocent people so that they could be killed even if they were wrong as a cover up. Why is someone going to confess? The only guess is fear they will say they will kill him if he does not confess and he will be killed when he does, better to say nothing in that situation they need ammo to do it and I think they will use a fake confession for its political agenda with Britain.

Posted by: jesusisthelamb at March 30, 2007 6:33 AM

Someone spotted what I thought! Yes why do these Iranian nut-jobs look so very reminiscent of the classic drawings of Neanderthals? You know, the ones with skulking shuffling gait and knuckles dangling round their knees. Protruding brows and big flat noses? Recognise this image? Does look a lot like the tosser at the top of the page doesn't it!!

They went extinct a long time ago. Before there can be world peace we will have to give this bunch a bit of a helping hand into extinction. Sorry but its us or them. Oh yes and I see the usual Brit bashers are out there again, more tossers, never mind, there is still hope you will get better!!!

The pathetic UN has let down the civilised world again, when will people realise that "United Nations" is about as impossible as "Multiculturalism". Both are an idealistic dream. Against this enemy only an alliance of strong nations will survive, nations prepared to fight Jihad with all means available, they will use the UN against us. A strong NATO is the only answer.

There will be changes in British politics soon, they are already ringing. You will see a massive rise in public support for the BNP (British National Party). They have some very sensible policies regarding the sending home of Muslim Immigrants, closure of all mosques etc! They are the only party in British politics saying what the average working Brit wants to hear. Look out Blair/Brown, Cameron, and the other one (oh yes, Campbell). Your days are numbered, Brits really never will be slaves, not without a damn good fight, and we ain't lost one of those in a long time. We beheaded our own King in a war over a religion we didn't like. I would far rather we got rid of Islam by peaceful political means than have the prospect of violent Jihad here in the UK. That would sadly mean the second English Civil War. I don't fancy one of those, I bet my friends in the USA don't want another either. This however will be on the agenda of the Jihadis, to set us against each other and weaken us, from some of the posts on here they are succeeding as well. We need politicians with balls, but all our mainstream ones have none, they have all succumbed to the great modern political plague of "multicultural political correctness", probably terminally. They need to be replaced with democratically elected men, men with BALLS for the fight, women with the stomach for it are also more than welcome! Nothing riles those Muslim bastards more than having to deal with a woman in authority!! I bet that's why they never pissed the UK off when Thatcher was in charge. They saw what we did to the terrorists in their embassy, and they saw us go half way round the world and fight a war for our flag!! That is the Britain the average man here wants back. A country that is respected, and that respects its own countrymen, not one that betrays them by spending their taxes on a bunch of freeloading mainly Muslim immigrants, who then have special laws made to protect and mollycoddle them with special privileges!!

The fight back will start at home, here and in the USA, via the ballot box. Don't fall for the Islamopropaganda on the way!!

Posted by: Defender of The Realm at March 30, 2007 7:40 AM

@Defender of The Realm

Bravo! Fine post! There is hope with Brits like you out there! If I were a Brit I would be volunteering for the BNP!

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at March 30, 2007 11:25 AM

Defenderoftherealm... it always has been the common man that made the great nation a great nation.It is them who the elite and the unable cry out for when they feel all is lost.It is the common man who fights the fiercest because he stands the most to lose.All that he is and has he uses to provide for all others.The common man and woman is the nation.

I don't have a feeling of all is lost because when and if it gets to the nitty gritty there are still nations that have sat out the latest endeavors or perhaps only contributed a wee majority to the present cause.But at a time when needed they will have plenty to offer as they too will have plenty to lose.

I know people probably think i am crazy in my thinking that islam is the one surrounded but i stand firm on that comment.I never said anything about any of it being easy.

If and when the really bad day arrives it's pretty much a given that very bad things will happen in both our home lands.Thats where i come in.I have family in the fight now and i do my part here at home and until i am called into action then i will do my part here infinity and without fail.

Sadly our hope lay with our leaders of today and just the vote on protecting citizens from lawsuits for notifying possible terrorists acts is eye popping and jaw dropping.121 of our representitives voted in favor of the terrorist.No excuse can be thought up for such treachory.They spat in the face of thier true and faithful citizens not to mention the victims and thier families scarred by the thing called Islam.

I am unstoppable till i die.Death is what it will take to get me off islams hide and i ain't planning on dieing too soon.

As far as Rosie o'donald i really don't know what to say except may allah give her her just rewards.Maybe the good pious muslims will give her something she never had an interest in and her lover too.

but here i go again rambling on and on.

I just don't kid myself.The inevitable is ....inevitable.

By the way Multicultural B.S. must be killed.

Lets step outside the box and think "Politicians of all teams need to be held to account for thier frankenstein." When the common man has defeated the thing that should not be let us turn our attention to the mountains in our kingdoms and knock some kings from the apex!

Your brother in good times and bad.

And all that jazz.

Posted by: Dar al-harb at March 30, 2007 10:45 PM

Once again, the fruit of Islam rearing it's ugly head.

Posted by: champ at April 1, 2007 1:12 PM