Whoa. In its first Jihad war sentence, as feared these American tribunal has gone all Draconian on the poor Moslem combatant.

You can serve 9 months for passing bad checks. And that's what Islam is, fake currency.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at March 31, 2007 9:52 AM

l think the ACLU got enough pressure here to make sure the terms would not be long. indeed! what a crock!

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at March 31, 2007 10:02 AM

What's been especially delicious is to observe the flailing of M. Dawood's enablers as he fesses up to everything. (Think of that scene in Alien, when Ash the robot disintegrates.) He's even withdrawn the claims of being abused and tortured by those evil Americans.

Now, apparently his belief system has something to say about when it's acceptable to lie to non-believers. And the tactic of automatically claiming torture by the enemy after being captured kind of rings a bell too.

Looks like Mr Hicks has de-reverted after all.

Posted by: Dane at March 31, 2007 10:09 AM

Shoot 'em in the field when they're captured as spies, saboteurs and terrorists.

Then none of this suicidal silliness results.

How many millions of tax dollars were squandered on this transparent farce?

(Rope is even cheaper than bullets, and recycle-able. VIZ- Saddam H.)

Posted by: profitsbeard at March 31, 2007 11:03 AM

Should be a life sentence...

Posted by: The Resistance at March 31, 2007 11:03 AM

He only fought on the side of the Taliban for 2 hours? Reminds me of Monty Python and the Holy Grail: "When danger reared its ugly head, he bravely turned his tail and fled, brave, brave, brave, brave Sir Robin."

If only every jihadist was this way.

Posted by: tvdog at March 31, 2007 12:02 PM

Well, I think they gave him 6 years, and counted the 5+ he's been at Gitmo against the sentence.

The problem here is that The Resistance is correct that it should have been life. Why was it?

Al Qaeda Manual Point #25: ALWAYS CLAIM YOU WERE TORTURED.

In exchange for this light sentence he promised not to spout the lie that he'd been tortured.

That is the LIE that he'd been tortured. That's what's behind this incredible miscarriage of justice.

Posted by: Morgaan Sinclair at March 31, 2007 12:03 PM

For the record of what happened:

This is because of John Howard, the Americans great friend and one of the greatest leaders of the world at this time as he has a population of bleating sheeple who are giving him trouble just like the sheeple in America voted for skirt Pelosi who is now in Damascus and skirt Reid who is hiding in his office.

Dawood Hicks should kiss the ground John Howard walks on as in deference to him the Americans gave him a slap on the wrist when this terrorist should have been hung like the wretch it is.
3000 people died on 9 11, hundreds of others were injured and murdered before due to his support of bin Laden and thousands of more have died because of his choices.
Dawood Hicks is vermine like Nazi vermine, like Stalin communist vermine. He should have been executed, but America is trying to defuse the situation in Oz so Mr. Howard stays in office.

The only justice in this will come from God as Dawood will be repaid then.

I adore John Howard and would walk the last mile for the mate, but even I find this distasteful that justice was subverted because of whining sheilas in Oz. They should be ashamed as John Howard deserves to lead better than that ilk.

Posted by: Lame Cherry at March 31, 2007 12:18 PM

I betcha he is going to pull a Maher Arar, and try to become a multi-millionaire off the backs of the American taxpayers! As for Arar... he doesn't ducking fiserve a penny of the $10 million.

Posted by: The Resistance at March 31, 2007 12:33 PM

profitsbeard is right: Mujahideen who are combatants disguised as civilians should be considered spies and shot, or hung for environmental reasons, then chopped up and fed to my hound dog. How's that for recycling?

Posted by: jewdog at March 31, 2007 12:46 PM

Dawood Hicks does not hate America. He shoudl sue Mr Bush for the hell he put him through for 5 years. I hope you guys will give this man some respite

Posted by: Abdullah at March 31, 2007 1:18 PM

Dawood Hicks does not hate America. He shoudl sue Mr Bush for the hell he put him through for 5 years.

The guy should behind bars for ever.
The charges should be treason against Australia.

The prosecutor, Marine Lieutenant Colonel Kevin Chenail, says Hicks freely joined a band of killers who slaughtered innocents.

You did not dispute this Abdullah, neither did Hicks, so you must support the massacre of inncocents. As far as I am concerned, America was far too lenient. And I dont want to see legal processes abused, as far as I am concerned he should serve out in his days in a prison a lot tougher than Guantanamo Bay which I regard as holiday camp.

Posted by: UK Infidel Lover at March 31, 2007 2:32 PM

Sometimes I ask myself how did America f**k up itself so badly? A country humanity (even the vast majority of Muslims) looked upto as a model of 'THE MOTHER OF MELTING POINTS' a 'DREAM'

Yep I know the answer but do you? America is now run by a bunch of thugs who want oil for blood at all cost to America itself. It is heavily influenced by the Jews who escaped Nazi Germany. You will never see me condemn all Jews because among the Jews are people of uprightness (but few in number - Just like the few who helped Dawood defeat the tyrant Galoot)...

Posted by: Abdullah at March 31, 2007 2:46 PM

Galoot?

Galoots in cahoots.

Posted by: turn at March 31, 2007 3:32 PM

Posted by: UK Infidel Lover

As far as I am concerned, America was far too lenient. And I dont want to see legal processes abused, as far as I am concerned he should serve out in his days in a prison a lot tougher than Guantanamo Bay which I regard as holiday camp

I tend to agree with you but a lot of people think other wise.

http://illustratedpig.blogspot.com/

Posted by: shiva at March 31, 2007 3:41 PM

I betcha he is going to pull a Maher Arar, and try to become a multi-millionaire off the backs of the American taxpayers! As for Arar... he doesn't ducking fiserve a penny of the $10 million.

Posted by: The Resistance

I wish we had a lawyer among us who could explore the possibility of suing this Arar terrorist undder some pretext. Make his life miserable.

Let him know he ain't welcome in Canada.

Too bad there are so many Dhimmis in the West who support the terrorist scum.

The terrorists may have figured out that the best thing for them to do is lay low. We're handing them our countries one by one and not a single shot fired.

Disgusting.

If they see resistance they will get violent again in the West. We need to resist. The sooner they show their hand again the better for our cause: Winning OUR Hearts and Minds.

Posted by: Allahfanculo at March 31, 2007 4:24 PM

Nine months, or even seven years is an insult. He should have received the death penalty, or at least a life sentence to mean life.

Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at March 31, 2007 5:35 PM

This is a massive rant thread. Someone thinks the (American) Civil Union had a hand in it. Hysteria factor 3 there. Someone else "adores" John Howard but decides to insult all Australians by calling us "sheeple". And whether you people like it or not, more Australian PEOPLE wanted this criminal back home than in some foreign prison. And a final blood thirsty remark from someone who claims a better standard from a previous era, "he should have received the death penalty". Well I am sorry Mr Grim Reaper, thats not how we do it in our civilised country. We dont put people down like animals.

The facts are, this guy got a 7 year sentence, on top of the 5 years already held without charge (how about you apply that to ALL your criminals in USA not just the foreignors in Gitmo?) and he can be out in 9 months, trapped in Australia for at least the next 7 years, and probably forever.

Maybe your collective hysteria can be applied in more productive ways ..

Kind regards

Posted by: payingattention at March 31, 2007 6:59 PM

The Australian people have been fed a line by the MSM with fluffy bunny pictures of poor widdle David, but those who know him (ie his wife and children) hate his guts and want nothing more to do with him, and the increasing number of Australians who know a little bit more than the MSM deigns to parcel out feel likewise.

The only silver lining is that there will be no media contact allowed, and he will not be able to profit from his "adventures" because of "proceeds of crime" legislation.

Posted by: Brett_McS at March 31, 2007 7:35 PM

Muhammad Dawood / David Hicks has done more harm to Australia in the propaganda war since he was captured than when he was an active jihadi. He must be one of the most famous living Australians, and he's a disgrace.

It would have been better for us if he had been killed rather than captured.

Posted by: David Blue at March 31, 2007 8:00 PM

The damage Dawood has done to Australia is minuscule compared to the sickness that has invaded the media and the liberal media, to the point that a fine PM such as Howard has to bend to insane fantasies of the leftist nihilists and their media supporters.
BOB Brown a particularly odious liberal politician said recently that Gitmo was a the equivalent Russian gulag and Dawood compared it to a concentration camp under the Nazis. There masses of other examples.
This mindless support for evildoers is now everywhere.
To this elite neo left, evil and good truth and lies, etc no longer exist and have been relegated to the level of subjective opinion. moral values and judgements must be eliminate from public thought, since they are regarded as the ultimate cause of conflict.
for example, a rapist is no different from his victim and so the rapist must be supported and excused and the victim must be blamed for her attire or sexual manner , so that both victim and aggressor are on a par of Moral equality. Thus we cannot pass judgement on offenders, or isolate victim from perpetrator, and the word 'criminal' or 'killer becomes as taboo as the word terrorist
is to the BBC

it's important to realise that this thinking is behind the lionisation of David Hicks AKA Mo dawood.

Posted by: chevalier de st george at March 31, 2007 11:13 PM

Chevalier, Evan Sayet does a beautiful job of exploring the motives behind the leftist's moral inversion:

http://www.heritage.org/Press/Events/ev030507a.cfm

Posted by: Brett_McS at March 31, 2007 11:42 PM

Brett thanks for that link? Nice to see those thoughts so well expressed.

What a pleasure it is to listen to this man.
we are all being turned into tasteless blancmange ! all else is too confrontiononal or offensive to our palates!
I submit- pass the TOFU!

Posted by: chevalier de st george at April 1, 2007 12:44 AM

Well I am sorry Mr Grim Reaper, thats not how we do it in our civilised country. We dont put people down like animals.

Oh please. Leaving aside the fact that capital punishment has very little in common with putting down an animal, do you honestly consider someone like Hicks to be deserving of "civilised" treatment?

Posted by: Audacity at April 1, 2007 5:40 AM

For the record: While I don't wish for Hicks to receive the death penalty, I wouldn't have particularly minded if that's what he got.

Seven years, which can be shortened to nine months, is letting him off too lightly.

Posted by: Audacity at April 1, 2007 5:48 AM

Yes, I do consider someone like Hicks to received "civilised treatment".

Any less would be barbarity.

Remember what you are fighting for, son.

Posted by: payingattention at April 1, 2007 6:43 AM

Did not Muhammad "Dagwood" also fight in Kashmir and Bosnia? Could not the Indian and / or Serbian Governments apply for his extradition to face terrorism charges in their countries?

The supporters of Dagwood in Australia puzzle me. There is no way that any of them would survive under islamic rule here.

This world has turned upside-down, everywhere we hear that evil is good, and good is evil.

Posted by: Ozi_bloke at April 1, 2007 8:26 PM

Ozi Bloke: This has really opened my eyes to the people in OZ. I served with some of them in Vietnam, and had thought they were the meanest SOBs in the world. I Have carried that image of the Aussies all my life, and now to see this snivelling and whining it has turned me Topsy turfy. And all of this over one little clown that the USA bought from the Northern Alliance for 1,000$ cash. It is very much beyond me how I could have been so mistaken, I am at a loss for words to describe it.
My son is over in the ME, and when they read this about the Austrilian, their feeling was that to never take another one of you guys prisoner again, what is the point of bringing you in from the field, if you are just going to cause more problems than if you are 'left' in place. And I agree, this guy from Australia has caused more trouble, and has been used by the Islamites, to cause far more problems than he ever did as an ameture soldier.

Posted by: QuadoLama at April 1, 2007 9:17 PM

QuadoLama, why are you surprised that there are people like Cindy Sheehan in Oz?

Posted by: Brett_McS at April 1, 2007 10:55 PM

As most people in Oz understand (yes, the support for poor David is very limited), it would have been a perfectly civilized response to have had him summarily excecuted on the spot in Afghanistan.

It is not being civilized to go beyond normal legal protections - it is stupid behaviour which only emboldens terrorists. And the US is more guilty of it than most.

Posted by: Brett_McS at April 1, 2007 11:21 PM

QuadoLama,

Both our nations have traitors like Dagwood (and John Walker Lindh), they are a minority. We also have those folks who vocally support the traitors for some misguided reasons, these are usually young and grow out of it eventually (just look at any university undergradute - they are the same on either side of the Pacific).

Public opinion of Dagwood isn't high here. On television last night the Premier of South Australia (Dagwood's home state, where he will serve the remainder of his sentence), was complaining about his return to that state. He raised the issue of the public cost of monitoring his movements once he is released from prison.

There's no red carpet for Dagwood, just shame, and worry about the extra burden which will arise from monitoring his movements.

It is unfortunate that he was captured by US forces in Afghanistan, and not by the Indian Army in Kashmir. If the Indians caught him, there would have been no public outcry in Australia as the left wing radicals wouldn't have bothered - they are motivated by anti-US sentiment, not pro-Dagwood sentiment. He also wouln't have put on so much extra weight in an Indian prison as he has gained in Cuba.

My best wishes to you and your son.

Posted by: Ozi_bloke at April 2, 2007 1:12 AM

Well I certainly dont want to be known as a "meanest SOB". Strange company here if that is what people want.

Posted by: The Contrarian at April 2, 2007 5:41 AM

Interesting to hear so many differences of opinion regarding the fate of a turncoat. I was provided with vivid accounts of what happened to those citizens who gave comfort to the enemy during the post-Blitzkrieg period in Holland. Most would have wished that they had never been born. But that occurred during a time of war, when empathizers to a different cause could have an entire village - or small town - slaughtered by the Master Race. We are not, apparently, at war...

My Dutch mother knew that German soldiers were the enemy - and that the SS were the terror behind the German soldiers. My Dutch father knew that the Japanese were the enemy - and that their belief system was the terror behind the Japanese soldier. He survived a Japanese POW camp in Java.

President Bush, the leader we rely on the most as leader of the most powerful nation on earth, defines the terror but not the soldier being driven by that terror. He also fails to mention the fact that Islam is craven, preferring to use any method of guile, deceit, betrayal, subterfuge and vendetta to deliver its peaceful message to those who resist, rather than be upfront and present an army to its enemy. Iran, today, is a perfect example of such childish tactics. Iran will pay. Soon...

Hicks was, in the Australian vernacular, no more than a little dick-head who went several steps way too far. The women in my mother's village would have quietly slit his throat. They were living the war that politicians then (Chamberlain)were insisting wasn't really all that serious... or could be curtailed with appeasement.

Redefine, Mr President. Have mercy on those US and Allied soldiers who are shooting at potential terror; and give the enemy a human face and name. The enemy is Islam. Its face is that of any Moslem - or sympathizer - who dares stand against an Allied soldier in uniform. Age, race, color, creed, sex are irrelevant. Many German soldiers were only 16, sweet sixteen... They were being shot at by ten year old boys whose entire families had been wiped out by those God-awful Panzer divisions. War is War.

David Hicks is the enemy. Shoot him... before he shoots you.

A real and present danger...

PS Australians have very strong ties to their friends. We call it mate-ship. That mate-ship is as strong as ever. QuadoLama need have no fears that his memories of Vietnam vets was one off. NOT BLOODY LIKELY!
Cheers, all

Posted by: maranatha50 at April 2, 2007 8:11 AM

Thanks Ozi Bloke, my son reads this over there and will appreciate your thoughts. Your point is well taken, in that the sentiment in OZ is anti-American and not pro-Dagwood, and that is fine with me, this is not about political borders, but about ideologies. It is a ‘them and us’ fight.
What I found so surprising was the depth and scope of the anti-American feelings there. I read the AU press (on-line version) of this, and it is far worse than the opinions expressed here. I guess the only thing to do is to sit back and wait until something happens in OZ that can not be turned into a whine fest.
As you mentioned the John Walker Lindh case, it is very close to the Dagwood story. Except Lindhs daddy sexually molested little Johnny. And he was truly abused by the troops that captured him. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Walker_Lindh . …“duct-taped to a stretcher and placed in a metal shipping container… Lindh was not even released from the stretcher when he needed to urinate. Instead, guards propped him upright. …It took more than a week in U. S. custody for his wound to be treated and the bullet removed… And he still got 20 years. So as we see it in the US, Dagwood got away with murder, with that light sentence. (Hell, here we give little girls 2 months in prison for leaving there Barbie Dolls out.) And it is pretty much a given that he will never survive the 20 years in the jug. But you make your own bed.

The Contrarian said, “ Well I certainly dont want to be known as a "meanest SOB". Strange company here if that is what people want.”
I don’t think you have much to be worried about. No one will ever think that about you, of this I am more than positive. I was speaking of the Aussis I met in the jungles of Vietnam. But please, spin it whatever way you wish.

Maranatha50: Thanks for that!

Posted by: QuadoLama at April 2, 2007 10:07 AM

QuadoLama,

Just for clarification, the anti-US sentiment here is not large, the blokes you met in the jungle are still here, and are in the majority.

Don't accept the Australian media as being representative of public opinion, I see the same mindless lefty nonsense in the US media.

I've spent some time in the US and met all sorts of people there, I can tell you our hopes and dreams are the same. As an example, I was in New York late last year and spent some time with a journalist there who travelled frequently to Australia. In his opinion, the Australian and American people were more alike than the Canadians and the Americans, he said the Canadians were more like the English. He said the similarities are such that on his last visit to Sydney, he went to China Town to get a "feeling of the exotic" for a few minutes.

One difference I have noted, Americans tend to look more for cause rather than effect. As an example, I had a conversation with a guy our age in Ohio regarding the Islamic threat to our nations (it's funny, everywhere I go people want to talk about Islam). He identified the key problem as the lefty nonsense in the media and the deplorable lack of education in our schools. He's quite right, the Australian response would be the Cronulla riots.

QuadoLama, don't worry about us, I'm in your trench and I will not submit.

God bless you and your son.

Posted by: Ozi_bloke at April 2, 2007 10:47 PM