"A good plan violently executed right now is far better than a perfect plan executed next week." -- George S. Patton

--

Make concessions, get the Brits back and then attack.

Posted by: Foehammer at March 31, 2007 2:44 PM

I typed this: "Is the British public's reliance of diplomacy increased by fear of Muslims on the homefront?"

Then I thought, "What is the BNP saying?"

The answer is that they're quoting Glenn Beck on this very subject:

http://www.bnp.org.uk/news_detail.php?newsId=1438

Posted by: StillBreathing at March 31, 2007 3:12 PM

…said Hossein Abedini, a member of the NCRI’s Foreign Affairs Committee, at a press conference in London.

When the phone doesn’t ring, you’ll know it’s those thousands of secular, pro-Western, modern, Iranian students, longing for change, standing up for the rights of the innocent in Tehran.

Posted by: pez at March 31, 2007 3:12 PM

I read the BNP piece that stillbreathing posted, quoting Glenn Beck. He's a good guy and I like it, but I'm a little disturbed by the BNP's calling the Iraq occupation "illegal". Certainly there are excellent reasons not to hang around Iraq, but legality? Since when does a hard-nose party like the BNP start sounding like the UN?

Posted by: jewdog at March 31, 2007 3:19 PM

I say we should go after perps and their fellow garrison and hold them hostages--preferably under water. In case you don't know, this is casus belli. Time for action!

Posted by: lonewolf at March 31, 2007 3:36 PM

As predicted this was a planned operation which excluded Ahmadinejad.
Future prediction, these British troops will continue to be raped emotionally as this is amusement for the Iranian rapine.

Tony Blair is incapable of doing anything as his latest statement was, "I can not figure out why the Iranians keep doing this".
TB does not understand that 3rd world uncivlization loves torture for amusement.

What is comforting is the comments posted by Conservatives in that Afghanistan and Iraq has only whetted their appetite for the fight. America and the world is going to need Conservatives, because this is only the start of it.
America is going to have to face real blood letting in helping the Israeli state this summer and Iran.

Events propel and this Conservative people are going to have a regional American war, the warrior solution to illegals and a very real Eurasian world war in the next several years.
I hope the whet will still be as fresh for what is being driven now, because we are going to require our fellow British and French to whet their past memories to the violence we have in our veins as what is coming is survival of nations is the prize and not victory.

This should have been burned off in 1979.

Posted by: Lame Cherry at March 31, 2007 3:48 PM

Both Mr. Abedini’s NCRI, and it's military arm, the MeK, are defined as terrorist groups by the US State Department.

The Secretary of State has amended the designation, under Executive Order 13224 on terrorist financing, of the Mujahedin-e Khalq, known as the MEK, to add its aliases National Council of Resistance (NCR) and National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI).

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2003/23311.htm

Posted by: pez at March 31, 2007 3:48 PM

The NCRI must be the 'moderate' arm.

Posted by: pez at March 31, 2007 3:51 PM

I just came back from the Demonstration at the WTC against the iNazis.

Reading this piece and the comments makes me wonder so WHAT if the MoFoes do something violent in response to anything we do in Iran.

If it were up to me I'd go in full throttle with B-52s. Wave after wave. Until the sailors are safely back in British hands.

The violent moslems are already in England and elsewhere.

Let them show themselves. Better sooner than later, don;t you think?

Better an end with horrors than a horror without end. It the *threat* of them doing something in the streets of London really preferrable over the actual action?

I think the guvmints are afraid that the NATIVES might start their own reprisals.

I think the guvmints want more Mo immigration - God knows why. So if there is too much violence there will be new and alternate political formations to give political representation to the will of the people.

Sad sad, that these dhimmiticians would rather allow their own people live under constant threat and a degraded general lifestyle just so they can remain in power.

Phui!

Posted by: Allahfanculo at March 31, 2007 3:58 PM

I feel for the families of the sailors but Tony Blair`s statement that the most important thing is getting them home safely is 100% wrong.

The most important thing is Iran`s feeling that it can act with impunity, that it can arrest and hold British sailors with impunity.

In a real world, not one where we pretend that the UN and the EU are just another combination of letters, like USA, Blair would say that if Iranian waters were breeched it was not intentional and that the Iran had 24 hours to release the hostages or face the consequences.

This planet will return to reality one way or the other because the whole bildad, the covert, the overt, the revert are all alligned in purpose.

Its going to be a hell of a fight. Liberty will triumph, of course, but it seems all of the blood shed in the 20th century was not enough, alas.

Posted by: tokyobk at March 31, 2007 3:59 PM

..."as what is coming is survival of nations is the prize and not victory."

Lame Cherry, my feelings exactly. It's coming, and soon.

Posted by: QuadoLama at March 31, 2007 4:08 PM

How did this era begin?

With flaccid Jimmy Carter (who fancies himself another kind of JC) in the white house and hostages in Iran.

Here is what Iran`s press is saying and what I think the plan is:

"If the UK government admits its mistake and apologizes to Iran for its naval personnel's trespassing of Iranian territorial waters, the issue can be easily settled."

Having long ago grown out of the kind of pride issues that are so important in that part of the world, seeing ourselves as post-modern, no on ein Europe will understand how important it is on the Arab and Persian street to see the West continue to abase itself.

Posted by: tokyobk at March 31, 2007 4:08 PM

From Federalist #10 (Madison)

From this view of the subject it may be concluded that a pure democracy, by which I mean a society consisting of a small number of citizens, who assemble and administer the government in person, can admit of no cure for the mischiefs of faction. A common passion or interest will, in almost every case, be felt by a majority of the whole; a communication and concert result from the form of government itself; and there is nothing to check the inducements to sacrifice the weaker party or an obnoxious individual. Hence it is that such democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths. Theoretic politicians, who have patronized this species of government, have erroneously supposed that by reducing mankind to a perfect equality in their political rights, they would, at the same time, be perfectly equalized and assimilated in their possessions, their opinions, and their passions.

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/federal/fed10.htm

Madison warns of the instability of democracy. America was made great under a system of a representative republic; lien-free landowning males were able to vote for representatives. Madison argued that vigorous public debate, being judged by this demographic, would lead to a stable government. He was right.

We’ve morphed into the pure democracy that we were warned about. The fifteen sailors are suffering because we are dysfunctional. The political alliance between the entitlement class, civil servants, and Islam has already formed. The small businessman, who in Madison’s day, had been the electorate, now has very little power at the ballot box. There are 5.7 business owners in the US and 45 million people on Medicaid.

The whole thing is dangerous and sad, but Islam will have no place in the West after this experiment comes to its ‘violent death’.

Posted by: pez at March 31, 2007 4:15 PM

Since the British service personnel were captured while in Iraqi (not Iranian) waters, it is quite obvious that the operation was pre-planned.

What is not so obvious (at least to the Blair government) is what to do about this piracy.

It is also quite obvious that the Iranians perpetrated this act of aggression with some form of extortion in-mind.

If, for once, the European nations that have a true naval capability (i.e. Briton, France and Italy) could muster the testicular fortitude necessary to stand together (with the U.S. of course) and each move a full battle group into the Persian gulf, I believe that the Iranian thugs "position" would change very rapidly.

It would certainly show the clepto-theocracy that rules Iran that they do not have a free hand to do as they wish... when and where ever they wish... and to whom ever they wish.

Sadly, it appears at this point that the Blair government is setting themselves up for a Carter styled screw-up. We are already seeing very ominious signs... all we need now is for the news to begin there reports with "day 157" "day 158"... "day 390" and so on...

I will never understand what possessed 'dubya' to topple Saddam and the Ba'athist over the pricks that hijacked Iran... how could any American (except maybe the Rain man) say.."hmmm... Iraq or Iran... Iraq or Iran... Iraq... oh yeah yeah ... Iraq... definitely... Iraq... definitely".

Posted by: gnegypt at March 31, 2007 4:18 PM

Make a lightening attack on every vessel, of any size, in the Iranian Navy -- destroy everything that floats.

Ask Iranians if they've had enough, or would they like to move on to the next set of targets?

Posted by: rational at March 31, 2007 4:27 PM

I suspect that the Iranians took the 15 British hostages in order to prevent what they fear is an imminent attack by the U.S and perhaps Israel. With the dozens of demonstrations of Western gutlessness in recent years, the Iranian regime may believe that the feared attack will be called off because we'd be afraid that the captors will then kill the hostages. I can't believe the timing of this event is unrelated to the recent increases in the American naval presence in the Persian Gulf and to the Israeli announcement that Israel can now shoot down missiles coming from Iran. Ahmadinejad & Co. know that they don't stand a chance against us if we deploy all our power.

Posted by: Aileen at March 31, 2007 4:33 PM

The Iranians did plan this, but you never know what Blair is planning right now. He's as crafty as a fox, and he'll be up to something.

Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at March 31, 2007 5:10 PM

It comes as no surprise really, that this incident was pre-planned; Iran is further isolating itself in the world community daily.
I liked reading what former Georgia Rep. Newt Gingrich had to say about the present dilemma yesterday: Soon, either with special ops or a covert action, take out Iran's one and only gasoline refinery. Then, subtly but firmly tell the Iranian leaders that a real clock is ticking until the British sailors and marines are released. Hinting that a full naval blockade is forthcoming too.
Read It Here

But I think also that all Islamic leaders feel a need to 'save face', to make the best of their foul-ups. It is toward this end that I do not see President Ahmadinnerjacket in the news lately (even on IRNI), and they want Great Britain to apologize to Iran for this "trespass", to give legitimacy to the obvious failures and treachery of the Supreme Ruling Council.

Posted by: localmalcontent at March 31, 2007 5:21 PM

Let's hope the names given in the article are remembered for when the time comes. If not by the brits then by her friends.

Posted by: Socialpath at March 31, 2007 5:28 PM

Spirit Of 1683:
The Iranians did plan this, but you never know what Blair is planning right now. He's as crafty as a fox, and he'll be up to something.

Sadly, I would not count on that.
Apart from Iraq, he has been Mr Compromise in all his years of office. He is mainly liberal in thought.

Posted by: UK Infidel Lover at March 31, 2007 5:29 PM

"..."as what is coming is survival of nations is the prize and not victory."

Lame Cherry, my feelings exactly. It's coming, and soon."

Well, I'm glad somebody apparently understands the mystifying syntax of this clause.

Posted by: JFGR at March 31, 2007 5:30 PM

The abduction occurred on the 23rd. Prior to that, an article from Newsmax was posted by JihadWatch. Here is an excerpt:

In an article in the Revolutionary Guard’s weekly paper, Reza Faker – believed to have close links to President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad – warned: "We’ve got the ability to capture a nice bunch of blue-eyed, blond-haired officers and feed them to our fighting cocks. Iran has enough people who can reach the heart of Europe and kidnap Americans and Israelis.”

In the same article, an intelligence source was also quoted:

Although Iran threatened to seize Americans in Europe, Iraq could be a more likely site for abductions, a Jordanian intelligence source told the Times: "In Iraq, the Quds Force can easily get hold of American – and British – officers.”

[News Max]

Posted by: Khaybar Oasis at March 31, 2007 5:34 PM

Sadly, I would not count on that.
Apart from Iraq, he has been Mr Compromise in all his years of office. He is mainly liberal in thought.

Let's see. Cameron's 'Hug a hoodie' or the Lib Dems anti war sentiments don't exactly fill me with confidence.

Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at March 31, 2007 5:40 PM

Wake Up World!!!
If Iran gets nukes, it'll be everyone who's held hostage.

Posted by: jewdog at March 31, 2007 6:13 PM

OT: The latest on the Sheik Yer'Mami vs Gavin King story:

http://xrl.us/vjns

Posted by: Foehammer at March 31, 2007 6:19 PM

Time for Operation Downfall, the codename given for the defeat of the Japanese regime in World War II. The destruction of the mullahocracy grows more important by the day, and I look forward to the day when the likes of Ahmadinejad, Khamenei, Rafsanjani et al all face the firing squad.

Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at March 31, 2007 6:19 PM

"I'm glad somebody apparently understands the mystifying syntax of this clause."

Posted by: JFGR

JFGR, Yes, i have the gift of being lexDysic, so can read others of the same ilk.
The 'is' has been transmoflagated with the 'and'. But thanks, I needed a laugh, I am so frickin pissed off, and worried over my sonny-maru's in Iraq, and Africa! AHHH! And now this, and we all know how this is going to play out.

Posted by: QuadoLama at March 31, 2007 6:21 PM

I like rational's idea: utterly destroy the iranian navy - blow up everything of theirs that is floating, and wait and see if they scream "uncle" or simply wait until their cities are bombed back to the year 1310 or so....

Forget not, taking hostages is encouraged in the Koran, that oh so peace loving book...

Posted by: bonncaruso at March 31, 2007 6:42 PM

“Both Mr. Abedini’s NCRI, and it's military arm, the MeK, are defined as terrorist groups by the US State Department.”

It was done by the Clinton admin. to appease Iranian leadership. They are now key to overcoming the current regime and should be removed from terrorist list.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/015653.php#c363841

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/015653.php#c364684

and much more here…

http://consul-at-arms.blogspot.com/2007/03/re-iraq-us-at-odds-over-iranian-rebels.html

-XRDC

Posted by: XRDC at March 31, 2007 6:50 PM

UN Human Rights Council Passes Resolution Protecting Islam

Check it out in the Jerusalem Post! It is terrible - there go the world's free speech rights. Why does the US or any free country contribute money to support the UN???

Posted by: wilypagan at March 31, 2007 7:03 PM

XRDC;

Thanks for the links. But I remain wary of an Islamic group that points to another Islamic group’s bad behavior, calls it bad, and then asks Western governments for money and power. Sounds really familiar.

The press release naming NCRI was dated 2003 which would make it a Colin Powell State Department.

Posted by: pez at March 31, 2007 7:09 PM

What's your country's MPIT?

Every country in Dar al-Harb unlucky enough to have a Moslem subpopulation must calculate its "Moslem population incendiary threshold (MPIT)."

A country's MPIT threshold is the % of overall population point at which the Moslem subpopulation will ignite in reaction to events. What gets ignited is the subliminal ideological framework that gets programmed into every Moslem. This is the point at which otherwise quiet, non-political Moslems suddenly become a near-term threat to the general population. The threat could be political, or violent.

There are two MPIT thresholds:

1) Stage 1 Sharia: The % of overall population at which religious riots become readily possible, especially as concerns the global Jihad war and domestic efforts to set up a parralel Sharia justice system, and other express goals opf the Moslem subpopulation.

2) Stage 2 Sharia: The % of overall population at which widespread or total Sharia becomes non-negotiable to the Moslem subpopulation subpopulation.

The UK is what the experts term "pre-Stage 1 Sharia." Whiles its Moslem population % is still a relatively innocuous 3%, that's enough to contrain policies in matters connected to Islam.

Moslem influence is exaggerated beyond their numbers by way of sympathateic political Marxist and other multicultural blocs, in addition to the fact that Moslems are at the very least the most violence-prone than any other religio-ethnic group in existence over the last millenium.

The rest of EUrabia suffers the same political malady, especially France.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at March 31, 2007 7:10 PM

Action on Iran has nothing to do with being conservative or liberal - it's that kind of thinking that makes this country spin in circles and get nothing done.

I'm a tree hugging forestry major with liberal views on gay marriage, abortion, and many other things. I'm also very much against the ideas of Islam, very much for the war on terror, and very much right now, for military action in Iraq. People need to quit sticking to cookie cutter shaped politics.

End bipartisan bickering. Start dropping bombs.

Posted by: Mikhail Danilov at March 31, 2007 7:12 PM

Whoops that was supposed to say 'military action in Iran'... also, I'm too dumb to know how to edit posts, apparently.

Posted by: Mikhail Danilov at March 31, 2007 7:13 PM

I'm amazed that it was allowed to happen twice. It's yet again a failure of the Royal Navy. The strange passive/aggressive types who gain military rank in peacetime. They are all about preserving ships and filling out forms. This is war, we need wartime captains, who recognise an enemy proclaimed. What we've got is an Auk, what we need is a Monty.
Perhaps, in the remorseless way of societies, we've had our day, democracy has had it's day. Our brief reign is over. Hitler's mistake was obviously fielding an army, what he should have done is destroyed us from within.
We are but dust, washed away with the remorseless sweep of time's careless hand.

Posted by: Ian at March 31, 2007 7:23 PM

O/T Comment on Liberal-Muslim political alliance:

Nancy Pelosi and Keith Ellison have just scheduled themselves a meeting to talk with the Syrian government against White House wishes. Votes trump ideology ten times out of ten.

Posted by: pez at March 31, 2007 7:23 PM

Offer the Iranians a choice:

-either return the illegally captured hostages within 48 hours or we begin to target the top 15 regime leaders of this criminal enterprise known as the Islamic Republic of Iran.

Soldiers in wartime are sacrified to the startegic aims of ultimate victory.

They enter the service knowing this.

It isn't the Peace Corps.

Posted by: profitsbeard at March 31, 2007 7:33 PM

Nancy Pelosi and Keith Ellison, just saying the names makes my skin crawl. I guess suicide bombers are like cops....

"End bipartisan bickering. Start dropping bombs".

Right again Mike, it's not about some 'lib-slap fest', we all need to pull the same way, at the same time. When anyone uses buzz words and terms that belittle the Dems/Libs/lefties, we alienate them from the cause. What we need to do is to inform them, and try everything to include them in this, as an informational process. We are all at risk, it may take some longer to come to the point that they see it as clearly as others.

Posted by: QuadoLama at March 31, 2007 7:49 PM

Spirit Of 1683
Let's see. Cameron's 'Hug a hoodie' or the Lib Dems anti war sentiments don't exactly fill me with confidence.

Well you are right there.
None of the political parties in the UK fill me with confidence. They are all wishy-washy.
I would prefer it if Cameron was tough, made of flint, rock solid. I want true blue toughness.

I want

(i) EU humans right act revoked.
(ii) Schengen aggreement revoked - we look after out borders.
(iii) Leave the EU but keep a looser arrangement with repect to trade. Do you see Norway suffering? - nope, neither do I.
(iii) Illegal immigrants deported, irrespective of whether their countries will torture them.
(iv) 1-strike laws for a legal residents
Break our laws in a major way and your out - just like that.
(v) More prisons built
(vi) Taxes reduced
(vii) Dissidents watched. If they are operating some support of campaign from our shores against their country - then it better fit in with our Foreign Policy. If it does not, then they go as well.
(viii) Life meaning life for jail sentences.
I admire America here.
People sometimes get 175 years, serially, with no chance of parole. Should be like that here if they have done something heinous.
(ix) Flexibility on trade.
(x) Education of the public on what Islam really means, what is likely to happen and what our response should be. At the bear minimum our laws should be like Denmarks.

Posted by: UK Infidel Lover at March 31, 2007 7:49 PM

Stage I MPIT Calculator

The baseline for Stage I Sharia MPIT calculations needs to be based on the Qu’ran, Section 8:66; 33%.

Several modifiers are applicable:

Iiq: The Intelligence Quotient Factor. The baseline is mental retardation (70). MPIT values are inversely proportional to higher intellects. Thus:

Iiq = (Population IQ/ 70)

Igdp: The Gross Domestic Product Factor. The baseline is Pakistan ($2600). As societies that have things to protect beyond goats tend to develop security measures, higher GNPs lower MPIT values, though less than linearly. Scientists have recently identified an exponent of 0.312. Thus:

Ignp = (1 / National GDP ^ 0.312)

and lastly

Inat: The Nationalism Factor. Taking into account the off-chance that the majority native population will produce men willing to fight to defend their culture. This phenomenon is most closely associated with NASCAR viewership. Thus:

Inat = (1+ % NASCAR viewership)

Bringing us to the MPIT Calculator:

National MPIT = 33 * (Population IQ / 70) * (1 / National GDP^0.312) * (1+ % NASCAR viewership)

Works every time. Stage II next week.

Posted by: pez at March 31, 2007 8:17 PM

Operation Bite - April 6 Sneak Attack By US Forces On Iran Planned
- Russian Military Sources Warn

The attack is slated to last for twelve hours, according to Uglanov, lasting from 4 AM until 4 PM local time. Friday is a holiday in Iran. In the course of the attack, code named Operation Bite, about 20 targets are marked for bombing; the list includes uranium enrichment facilities, research centers, and laboratories.

http://www.rense.com/general75/bite.htm

Via EU Referendum

Who knows what game is being played here but lets hope for the best.

Posted by: DP111 at March 31, 2007 8:33 PM

Religio-Hegemonical Calculus

Stage II next week.

Thanks for elaborating the MPIT Stage I Sharia equation, pez, but not so fast.

Before you move on to elaborate the Stage II equation, please apply your fine work on Stage I and make these solutions:

A) Stage I Sharia % Population MPIT Threshold for UK

B) Stage I Sharia % Population MPIT Threshold for France

C) Stage I Sharia % Population MPIT Threshold for Sweden

D) Stage I Sharia % Population MPIT Threshold for Belgium

E) Stage I Sharia % Population MPIT Threshold for Australia

F) Stage I Sharia % Population MPIT Threshold for Russia

G) Stage I Sharia % Population MPIT Threshold for USA

And remember, Formula I viewership has the opposite political effect as that of NASCAR.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at March 31, 2007 9:09 PM

DP111

looks like another middle eastern disasterous war plan. they need to take off the head of the snake. ie, its religious heirarchy and political fascists, then arm the revolution! a cruise missle strike will merely inflame the entire muslim world, send anti-Ahmadinejad opposition groups to support Ahmadinejad, lead to mass riots in europe and send a million more jihadists to iraq and afganistan. what is needed is common sense and bold leadership, not gung ho brainless tactics.

anyway this could be merely russian propaganda to stir the pot and to get the iranians to get that first nuke.

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at March 31, 2007 9:17 PM

Say goodnight, A-jad, you pencil-neck....and Tehran, you had your chance at diplomacy....the party is about to start....may the God of Israel have mercy on your souls because the militaries of US of A and Britain sure aren't going to.

Posted by: angryeagle at March 31, 2007 9:18 PM

iran and Ahmamadman are on a hell-bound train..

Hellbound Train I'm on it's track

Too late now to turn my back

Conductor coming ticket in his hand

Come to claim my soul

Take me to his land

Hellbound Train I been so wrong

Too late now I'm moving on

Conductor standing watch in his hand

Got to get aboard take you to his land

I'm going down the road onthe Hellbound Train

Take a long look lady 'cause you won't see me again

Take a last look lady, yes hard and long

'Cause I'm going down the road on the Hellbound Train

Hellbound Train driving slow

Move on down to the Hell below

Conductor please won't you lend a hand?

Got to get on board take me to your land

Yes I know I've been so wrong

Too late now I'm moving on

Hellbound Train I'm on it's track

Moving down I can't look back

I'm going down the road onthe Hellbound Train

Take a long look lady 'cause you won't see me again

Take a last look lady, yes hard and long

'Cause I'm going down the road on the Hellbound Train

I'm going down the road onthe Hellbound Train

Take a long look lady 'cause you won't see me again

Take a last look lady, yes hard and long

'Cause I'm going down the road on the Hellbound Train

Lost and flying down the road on the Hellbound Train

Lost and flying down the road on the Hellbound Train

Hand and hand with the devil

-Savoy Brown

Posted by: Madduck at March 31, 2007 9:33 PM

Aren't "Sneak Attacks" suppose to be hush-hush? Who leaked this information out? Not a 'sneak attack' any more.

Posted by: champ at March 31, 2007 9:34 PM

Operation Bite - April 6 Sneak Attack By US Forces On Iran Planned - Russian Military Sources Warn

What a bunch of crap. Typical low-quality internet drivel. Not that I wouldn't mind seeing a massive bombing campaign - I'd be tickled if they nuked the bastards in fact. I just don't think it's in the cards, unfortunately.

Posted by: Greg Z at March 31, 2007 9:36 PM

Hellbound Train? Their tickets are out of my price range. Can't afford to ride that train.

Posted by: champ at March 31, 2007 9:43 PM

The Russians are allies of the Iranians and according to a high govt official in the US, have reestablished their espionage network to Cold War levels. It's the Creepy Crawly Axis.
But not to worry, Nancy Pelosi and Keith Ellison are going to Syria. And just think, if the Democrats win the White House they can go to Teheran, and maybe present a cake to Borat Ahmedinejad with Jimmy Carter baked inside and a prayerful sympathy card attached. Now everyone sing Kumbaya.

Posted by: jewdog at March 31, 2007 9:43 PM

..will pelosi wear a scarf?.. will assad shake hands with her? inquiring minds are mmm mildly curious...

Posted by: Madduck at March 31, 2007 9:50 PM

Is Condoleezza, "let Turkey take over Europe" Rice, the one behind the US lackluster response? She wants us to lose here like we lose in North Korea according to Bolton? Rice is betraying us everywhere?

She was the one who promised our nuclear technology to India. Then India promised it to China according to some.

Why didn't the US get the EU to impose sanctions on Iran? Because Rice couldn't be bothered to put pressure on them to do it? Because she was busy getting Turkey into the EU and keeping Muslim immigration going here and there?

Ground Invasion of Iran Cuts the Gordian Knot of Retaliation

Posted by: Old Atlantic at March 31, 2007 9:52 PM

no ground invasion of iran..PERIOD!!!

any draft of substantial amplitude in U.S.
guarantees massive civil strife..way worse than vietnam era..

Posted by: Madduck at March 31, 2007 10:12 PM

Just do what your gonna do and give in to the ladies of iran.Then as they blatantly and increasingly kill our soldiers and those of the coalition,give to them more of what they wish.

In the mean time be sure to keep us in harms way and in the middle of something we all know the lovers of peace will do the second we are gone even if one hundred years from now (heaven forbid).

Be sure to put a rush on that nuclear fuel and don't forget that starter kit for "my countries first nuclear bomb instructions".Give the keys to iraq over to iran with a note promising to pay for anything and everything they will ever need forever.Stress that we will provide food clothing and any other essential so that they may continue to use thier wealth for world terrorism....unhindered.

Bow down to your knees and kiss the rings of the giants and beg for thier blessing in this wonderous pact.Offer up your daughters and your toddlers (for molestation now and real marriage later...with allahs will).

Get back on your boat or plane which ever they allowed you to keep and return home to rejoice at the mercy and kindness of the Iranian regime.Be sure to hand out all the head coverings and korans they gave you that you could load in your transportation.

Run over to the phone and tell Israel to kiss it's ass goodbye or bow down before it's new muslim masters.If they choose not to submit call imanutajoba and tell him of this defiance and beg to be the one to destroy the little world ruling superpower Israel.In doing so you will be praised as indeed a pious muslim and given a kings ransom in camels and slaves but this joyous task will be in the hands of the highest of most pious muslims (whichever one is left standing after the shoot out for the pleasure).
Now that you have handed them all they wish and betrayed one of the most dependable of allies in the same cause be sure to send out the death squads to kill or enslave all other non converts or un believers.Raise the flag of islam over the white house and the pentagon and all other federal buildings,and everywhere.Burn all the infedel nations flags,burn all thier churches synagogues and libraries....destroy those herectic schools.

Go home set the alarm for fiveish and get up and do it all again until only islam the religion of peace as sent down by an all loving and merciful god,allah is all encompassing.

Or there could be just one man left standing over in a corner in what used to be Iran begging for the return of the twelfth,hugging his teddy bear.

This crystal ball is sketchy at best.

Lets let the media decide thats much easier.And since they have access to every stinking terrorist that wants to kill millions here at home or anywhere else,well they are more well informed than you or myself.lets just elect the media to all positions.

Posted by: Dar al-harb at March 31, 2007 10:46 PM

I want a muslim, any muslim to respond to this story. It makes me sick!
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=24971_Muslim_Persecution_of_Christians_in_Iraq&only

Posted by: interestinconundrum at March 31, 2007 10:58 PM

barbarians? like conan the barbarian? we need more of those and less of liberal types, like george galloway or next man livingstone.

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at March 31, 2007 11:10 PM

next man? i meant newt man!

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at March 31, 2007 11:11 PM

Stage I MPIT Nationalism Factor Conversions

Calculations forthcoming as staff must consult Victory Gin to proceed further. However, the NASCAR-Formula One conversion model is complete:

Substitute (1-% Formula One viewership) as applicable.

Enough for now.

Posted by: pez at March 31, 2007 11:16 PM

here's more than enough blame to go around regarding the West's misteps. Understandable--we're still behind the curve in our understanding of the axis of our common enemy. An axis, of course, has two termini--two 'wheels'--in this case Wahhabist and Shi'a islam..

The Wahhabist Sunni wants the dar centered in Mecca and Medina but not necessarily as the centers of power. With universal shari'a, a central government is not needed. Local imams will keep the people in line.

The Persian v1.2 of Shi'a is a different beast. They dream of a return to empire and would rule in fat'wahs from their capitol. They yearn for their storied former power and have a borrowed faith in the return of their mahdi--the fabled 12th imam. You know--the boy in the well.

I can't place much credence in the National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI) version of their reports of the Iranian government's plans (where would they get that intel?) but I do believe that orders were given to seize any opportunity to capture a vulnerable UK or US brown-water vessel and crew. Not to influence a UN Sec Council vote re sanctions but for a prisoner exchange of the captured spies and defected spymaster now in our hands.

I suspect there are a lot of back-channel negotiations taking place and that may be the reason Blair and Bush are not engaging in what otherwise would seem a reasonable and actionable response to this outrage.

A very special thank you to localmalcontent re your link to HH and Newt. (I don't think Newt is 'electable' but with his vast knowledge of history and understanding of what the US is, he would make an outstanding SecState or NSA.) Anyone that hasn't read that excerpt please go to the link posted at 5:21 PM.

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Alarmed Pig Farmer writes "The UK is what the experts term "pre-Stage 1 Sharia." Whiles (sic) its Moslem population % is still a relatively innocuous 3%, that's enough to contrain (sik) policies in matters connected to Islam."

Please cite your 'experts'. Do any 'experts' have statistical info on Non-Moslem population incendiary threshold (NMPIT)? Point being: whereas Newton postulated that "for every action there is an equal but opposite reaction", that does not hold true for human action(s). British history reveals that subjects have acted in the past to rectify their government's positions--history is the greatest predictor of the future.

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I'madinkyjerkoff is just a puppet (with a mahdi complex) of the mullahs. His survival may be in doubt when this all turns to shit.

Posted by: turn at March 31, 2007 11:31 PM

Does anyone know why the warship the rubber boats carrying the Brit marines were launched from did not fire at the approaching Iranian boats?

I think I heard Sean Hannity say that they were ordered by London to hold their fire?

Anyone?

Posted by: george_rem at March 31, 2007 11:45 PM

We thought we were doing everyone a favour by heading into Iraq in '03, but things haven't turned out so well, as we all know by now. I think Britain is trying to avoid military conflict in order to keep the middle east from going up like a tinderbox.

The problem is that they come off looking like wussies at a time their soldiers need strong, positive and agressive actions from the homeland.

There are no negotiations possible with a stone age culture stirred into a frenzy by the mullahs, and being led by an evil despot leader with an apocalyptic world view. Ahmadinejad harbours a sincere desire for the "end of days" scenario. Then the hidden Imam will return, and the world will be under Islamic control. Eeep.

It is curious how Islam and Christianity dovetail together. The antichrist written of in the Bible seems to fit the Quran's description of the return of the hidden Imam. Both are world leaders who unite the world under one religion and go on to wreak havoc on the world. Because that's what Islam is all about, after all.

Posted by: Muzzl'em at April 1, 2007 12:22 AM

Maybe Iran already has a nuke or two and thats why Beasty Boyinijad is so boastful and threatening. Now Iran may put the Brits on trial for international trespassing. Irans days are numbered, Beasty cant count any higher than twenty. Ten toes, ten fingers.
This problem will be resolved within twenty days.
After that, Beasty runs out of days and luck. Allah will desert him, and Mahdi will run off with a pole dancing hooker from Mecca. Yes Mecca. Pole dancing was invented there.
While Beasty Boyinijad may be the best pole dancer around, that wont save him. Bush and Blair have danced around a few poles themselves.

Posted by: duh_swami at April 1, 2007 12:25 AM

More UK news:

Schools axe controversial subjects

Ummah News Links

Posted by: ummahnewslinks at April 1, 2007 12:31 AM

"Does anyone know why the warship the rubber boats carrying the Brit marines were launched from did not fire at the approaching Iranian boats?"

George Rem,

I heard on Tammy Bruce's show last night on the radio that it had something to do with British rules of engagement being written by the U.N. She also said that a retired British general who fought in the Falklands was spitting-bullets-mad that the marines didn't even offer up one iota of resistance. What a trajedy that the world's formerly greatest naval power in history has been reduced to such a quivering mass of lime(y) jello.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at April 1, 2007 6:05 AM

QuadoLama,

“The 'is' has been transmoflagated with the 'and'.”

I love that word “transmoflagated”. I’ve never heard it before, but I know exactly what you mean!

Posted by: JFGR at April 1, 2007 7:44 AM

pez

Don't bother to follow the links. They might just be more informative than even wikipedia.

Read deeper into the history and current relations with the group and you will see exactly why we know as much as we do about Irans nuclear ambitions.

-XRDC

Posted by: XRDC at April 1, 2007 9:46 AM

Muzzl'em writes:"There are no negotiations possible with a stone age culture stirred into a frenzy by the mullahs, and being led by an evil despot leader with an apocalyptic world view."

I have to take that apart piece by piece. The embassy hostages were released on the day of RWR's first inauguration negotiated after his election. Following that the US engaged in a nasty bit of business called 'IranContra' that supported the rebels of Central America.

Iran is what's left of Persia. Far from stone age, its culture was highly evolved. There's a good bit of info that the Magi of the nativity were Persian. Art, literature, architecture were finely developed.

Ahmadinijad is a figurehead--a puppet of the mullahs.

Posted by: turn at April 1, 2007 12:19 PM

Well, turn, right you are. Or more correctly, were. There's no doubt Persia was a great empire at one time in history, but their great civilization has been decimated by the plague of Islam. Islam has caused more damage to society in this world than all other religions combined.

I remember the Iran hostage crisis in a unique way; through Huey Lewis and the News 1980 debut album. The song "Who Cares?" begins with a line or two which reflected back on the situation.
"Newsbreak on the evening of the 87th day, immediate solution not expected right away"

Lyrics sites are nowhere near accurate on these lines, but I still enjoy this album once in a while.

Also I proudly remember the Canadian Ambassador Ken Taylor who orchestrated the end of this conflict. I was still in high school back when we Canadians actually stood for something in this world.

Posted by: Muzzl'em at April 1, 2007 3:50 PM