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By Nasser Karimi for Associated Press:
TEHRAN, Iran - About 200 students threw rocks and firecrackers at the British Embassy on Sunday, calling for the expulsion of the country's ambassador because of the standoff over Iran's capture of 15 British sailors and marines.
Class trip: a 1979 re-enactment!
Several dozen policemen prevented the protesters from entering the embassy compound, although a few briefly scaled a fence outside the compound's walls before being pushed back, according to an Associated Press reporter at the scene.
The protesters chanted "Death to Britain" and "Death to America" as they hurled stones into the courtyard of the embassy. They also demanded that the Iranian government expel the British ambassador and close down the embassy, calling it a "den of spies."
Britain's Foreign Office said there had been no damage to the compound.
A British Foreign Office spokeswoman in London, speaking on condition of anonymity in line with government rules, said diplomats were working normally inside the embassy.
"There is a police presence outside and there is no risk to those inside," said the spokeswoman.
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How come there is no organized British protest of Iran at the Iranian embassy?
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at April 1, 2007 12:17 PM
They showed their real hate for us in 1979 and they show the same real hate for us in 2007. This shows its not just some fringe element that hates us. This represents how they feel.
Giving them citizenship here doesn't make change these emotions. Very likely some of those who were involved in 1979 are now here in the US or in Europe as citizens. Yet we see another Anglo Western embassy under siege from "students".
Virgil Goode Right: Stop Muslim Immigration
at April 1, 2007 12:21 PM
Where are all the British football fans? Why aren't they all marching on the iranian embassy?
Anthony Burgess had it right: The entire Western World is under some kind of Clockwork Orange spell.
Whenever they threaten violence we cower and cringe.
It used to be that all it took was the slightest of provocations for us to become active.
Remember the Cuban Missile Crisis?
Quick, we need the antidote to what is ailing us!
Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 1, 2007 12:21 PM
It always amazes me that the Muslim world continuously chants "death to America," even in situations that technically don't involve America at all.
Posted by: s at April 1, 2007 12:22 PM
no condemnation from the U.N on this embassy attack? no condemnation by Tony Blair.
this is all about money, oil and the redevelopment of the iranian nuclear power stations. no one wants to lose a contract, especially the E.U.
there seems to be nothing for the individual of GB that can do anything about this iranian crisis nor the enchroaching islamic invasion within europe. we just hope for the best that islam will finally die as an idealology, unlikely but that's all the hope we have left.
The UK government is a paper tiger and the E.U is a friend of the middle east. China and Russia are gaining more power so really islam will be a major dominating force in the next 10 years within europe.
the USA will prolly follow suit or face several nuclear attacks within her borders against major cities, until the USA will cease to be the "worlds policeman".
no one really seems to care anymore, how sad. they prefer to watch american idol, slag off the USA, get excited about "eastenders" and then drink themselves into oblivion every night at their local pub.
i spoke with my mother in the UK a few days ago, she seemed to think that it was americas fault the british got captured, stating (BBC parrot fashion) that because the americans had kidnapped 5 iranians then iran was just using them as a bargaining chip. sadly my mother's view point is prolly 75% of how all indigenous british really feel.
at April 1, 2007 12:24 PM
They showed their real hate for us in 1979 and they show the same real hate for us in 2007. This shows its not just some fringe element that hates us. This represents how they feel.
No, you're wrong. That is just the "tiny minority". Take the blue pill quick! Everyone move along.. islam is a 'religion of peace®'..nothing to see here..
Is it OK to say: B**B iran NOW!
Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 1, 2007 12:25 PM
As an adolescent, I loved firecrackers. Even as an adult, when I drive through Wyoming, I usually pick up a few packs of Black Cats. I know firecrackers.
The news media is reporting that the explosions and plumes of smoke coming from inside the Embassy fence were actually caused by firecrackers. There was quite a bit of smoke. I’m somewhat jealous and would like to know where the Iranian students do their shopping. I’ll e-mail CNN.
Posted by: pez at April 1, 2007 12:26 PM
Where are all the British football fans? Why aren't they all marching on the iranian embassy?
to get the Europeans in an uproar we should dress up the iranians in soccer (football) uniforms, and then have them insult soccer fans and their game. that will rile up them Europeans.
Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at April 1, 2007 12:28 PM
Amy Kellog of FNC reports from the scene that it was approx 200 protesters. They came armed with rocks, firecrackers and loudspeakers, made a lot of ruckus, and then they went to the pub for a nice cuppa.
"A British Foreign Office spokeswoman in London, speaking on condition of anonymity in line with government rules, said diplomats were working normally inside the embassy."
Good stiff upper lip in London. It must have been scary for those in the embassy in Tehran even if it wasn't as serious as it might have seemed.
Posted by: turn at April 1, 2007 12:30 PM
football thugs
funny as football hooliganism was much more rife under thatcher. but no, football fans are not so organised and political as you'd like to think. they spend their time watching "eastenders", drinking themselves into a stupor and beating each other up after pubs close. doubtful they'd be involved in an anti-iranian demonstration outside the iranian embassy. that would be too pro-USA for the anti-american brain washed british.
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at April 1, 2007 12:33 PM
Absolutely amazing.....The "Football Fans".
What a consistent and most absurd proposition. Each time I read that the "Football Fans" should rouse themselves away from the pubs and perform their supposedly patriotic duty and go on a little nationalistic rampage across the nation, I am reminded of just how ignorant some views are on the makeup of British society.
It's bad enough that we're resisting being told how to be British and that all we have done, or will do, is subject to moral approval by the shadowy, unelected denizens of the European Parliament and their hare-brained multicultural initiatives.
It's entirely another thing when people seem to simply make it up as they go along.
Posted by: Wishbone at April 1, 2007 12:41 PM
Zena, You're onto something..
We should release a video of the iranians in their national team jerseys singing: "who the F*** are ManU".. no they need to sing "who the F*** are England" while setting the English national team uniforms on fire.
Maybe that'd do it!
I can't believe that all these Englishmen buy into stupid Anti-Americanism just because the BBC feeds it to them.
The irnanians too the hostages.
That is where the anger must be directed.
Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 1, 2007 12:42 PM
i spoke with my mother in the UK a few days ago, she seemed to think that it was americas fault the british got captured, stating (BBC parrot fashion) that because the americans had kidnapped 5 iranians then iran was just using them as a bargaining chip. sadly my mother's view point is prolly 75% of how all indigenous british really feel.
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer
That is devoid of any logic. If the Americans captured [not kidnapped, since they were apprehended inside iraq] 5 irnaian operatives inside Iraq and iran goes on to take hostages from a Third party, ie. Great Britain, doesn't that make it even worse for the Iranians to do this?
It's like in a movie. The bad guy graps a girl and hold a gun to her head and tells the good guy to come out and give up or else he'll harm the girl.
That doesn't make the good guy become the bad guy all at once. Nor does it make the bad guy suddenly become the good guy.
This sounds like KKKoranic logic to me.
Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 1, 2007 12:48 PM
also why has the british government not protested to the U.N. stating that iran invaded iraq and captured british troops! no one is even talking about this!
the iranian navy invaded iraqi territory.
but sadly most brits hate americans so they dont really care about this iranian incident, it is in fact rather embarrassing to them and they hope it ends soon.
for example 1 week after the bombs massacred those londoners i went home, my mothers next door neighbour came out as i was talking about my new life in the USA. he rudely stated that the USA was full of religious bigots. remember this was 1 week after "british" islamic bigots slaughtered 50 or so londoners. the UK is a topsy turvy world.
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at April 1, 2007 12:54 PM
quote
They showed their real hate for us in 1979 and they show the same real hate for us in 2007. This shows its not just some fringe element that hates us. This represents how they feel.
No, you're wrong. That is just the "tiny minority". Take the blue pill quick!
end quote
Allahfanculo [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 1, 2007 12:25 PM
quote
no one really seems to care anymore, how sad. they prefer to watch american idol, slag off the USA, get excited about "eastenders" and then drink themselves into oblivion every night at their local pub.
end quote
leonthepigfarmer [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 1, 2007 12:24 PM
Is it safe to take the blue pill and go to the pub? Or does it matter, if its not a better death, at least its the PC way to die instead of staying sober and fighting back?
at April 1, 2007 12:54 PM
"Class trip: a 1979 re-enactment!"
Sort of like a civil war re-enactment.
"few briefly scaled a fence outside the compound's walls before being pushed back, according to an Associated Press reporter at the scene."
But then again it could be the class they were taking: Aggressive Embassy Protesting 101
They have not progressed to taking embassy workers hostage yet. They will get that training in Embassy Fence Jumping 102 & Embassy Hostage Taking 105. They finial class in the sequence should be Embassy Storming 110 where they teach you the complete takeover. The finial is taking an actual embassy.
Posted by: greatcometof1577 at April 1, 2007 12:55 PM
Yes the Football Fans!
We have them in all European countries.. the Italian Fans are called "Tifosi" for a reason.
What I am looking for is a group of "crazies" who will put the scare into the stolic European dhimwit guvmints.
And we need attention drawn on the fact that it's the *iranians* who took the hostages.
Anyway, I'm over here in the USA, in New York. If anyone knows of a demonstration in front of the iranian mission over here, count me in.
We need bodies in the field.
Remember... a trickle at first can quickly turn into a mighty stream.
Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 1, 2007 12:55 PM
"I can't believe that all these Englishmen buy into stupid Anti-Americanism just because the BBC feeds it to them."
you better believe it!
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at April 1, 2007 12:56 PM
leonthepigfarmer: I don't recognise the portrait you have painted of 'the average Brit'. What the heck is American Idol? I know of very few people who bother with Eastenders (and I do know a lot of people),I don't drink alchohol - nor did any of the people I worked with,and I have never heard anyone 'slag' the Americans off!
What part of the Universe are you from?
You must indeed be amazing if you are aware of what 75% of the indigenous British people believe!
Now I'm off to Church - will make sure that I don't beat people up on the way!
Posted by: Sencit at April 1, 2007 12:59 PM
leonthepigfarmer
"drinking themselves into a stupor and beating each other up after pubs close. doubtful they'd be involved in an anti-iranian demonstration outside the iranian embassy. that would be too pro-USA for the anti-american brain washed british."
It will be neat to see how they react when muslims try to take their "drinks" away from them.
You will be amazed what they might do!
at April 1, 2007 1:00 PM
http://gaypatriot.net/2005/10/04/protest-outside-iranian-embassy-in-london-over-gay-torture
the only people in london with any balls to protest outside the iranian london embassy!!!!
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at April 1, 2007 1:01 PM
this is off topic but just read this :
n a separate development, unidentified gunmen blew up another Internet cafe in the Gaza Strip over the weekend. No one was hurt in the attack, the latest in a series of similar attacks on Internet cafes in the area in the past four months. A group calling itself the Righteous Swords of Islam claimed responsibility for the attacks.
seems pious muslims fear the internet! lol.. give them more internet, less time for jiahd.
at April 1, 2007 1:02 PM
Oh, and leonthepigfarmer,
Are you trying to make yourself look BIG?
People here are extremely concerned about the EU.
If they held a referendum, we would be OUT!
But how would you know these things? After all, you only know 75% of all indigenous Brits.
Posted by: Sencit at April 1, 2007 1:12 PM
Sencit
?
mate, i'm on your side!! maybe 75% was wrong, lets just call it 65%! yeah i'm glad we would be out of the E.U. but really could we? it's too late for the average british citizen to do anything about it, unless everyone suddenly turns to the UKIP or BNP, which is doubtful.
and sorry if i somehow offended you, this is not my purpose to offend anyone that is on our side!!
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at April 1, 2007 1:17 PM
Danielle Pletka of AEI on CNN just said that she hates people who say its a choice between appeasement and war. She wants sanctions.
Actually the choice is not appeasement or war, its
appeasement and then war or just war. In fact, we are at war with them now, its just only they are fighting.
Then the appeaser spoke up on CNN, i.e. the spokesperson and the moderator were both for appeasement.
Posted by: Old Atlantic at April 1, 2007 1:22 PM
ah! so is this how the british government is securing the release of the british saliors!
oral one on one diplomacy!
"It's not my intention to go through the detail of that blow by blow, and it wouldn't be appropriate to do that"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070401/wl_nm/iran_britain_dc
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at April 1, 2007 1:24 PM
Is it safe to take the blue pill and go to the pub? Or does it matter, if its not a better death, at least its the PC way to die instead of staying sober and fighting back?
Posted by: Old Atlantic
Of course it won't be safe for long! I'm with you. I'd rather die figthing than die doing nothing.
Living under islam is worse than death.
Thank God I live in the USA.
It hasn't sunk quite as low as Europe yet.
One a slightly more positive note:
A "staunch friends and allies" update [see below]
from Time.com:
"Abdullah has also cancelled his attendance at a White House state dinner planned in his honor next month. It wasn't so long ago that Bush and Abdullah were practically love birds, holding hands as they walked past news cameras during Abdullah's last visit to the U.S. in 2005. For better or worse, they may increasingly be going their separate ways."
Isn't that special? The SOWdis are feeling bold. They are gambling on distancing themselves from the USA to bolster their standing with their you say "restive" - I say jihadist population.
They don't like us much anyway. Now they are showing their hand.
Is anyone in the State Department getting it?
I for one am glad they are showing their true colors. Maybe that will embolden Congress to ban SOWdi money from funding mosks and other anti-American institutions.
Let the SOWdis be openly hostile to us.
I say GOOD!!!
Water on the mills of all those who've been warning and screaming about the SOWdi subversion of the West.
Please, SOWdis.. keep up the good work! We couldn't do it without ya!
Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 1, 2007 1:31 PM
This is really an act of war! Why isn't the US and UK govt's not doing anything this time?! I would email my congress representative and senators but they can't and/or won't do anything. Plus, my representative is Pelosi, and my senators are Boxer and Feinstein. Forgive my language but we in the US and UK, as well as the rest of the West are f***ed.
Posted by: wrathofasma at April 1, 2007 1:35 PM
Allahfanculo
"Thank God I live in the USA.
It hasn't sunk quite as low as Europe yet."
i think the same thing every morning i wake up!
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at April 1, 2007 1:36 PM
Unbelievable. The government of Britain is going to apologize to the mullahs.
Ministers are preparing a compromise deal to allow Iran to save face and release its 15 British military captives by promising that the Royal Navy will never knowingly enter Iranian waters without permission.
The Sunday Telegraph has learnt of plans to send a Royal Navy captain or commodore to Teheran, as a special envoy of the Government, to deliver a public assurance that officials hope will end the diplomatic standoff.
The move, which was discussed at a meeting of Whitehall’s Cobra crisis committee yesterday, came as Downing Street officials explicitly cautioned against hopes of a speedy outcome and said that families of the hostages should prepare for the “long haul”.
Posted by: AntonK at April 1, 2007 1:37 PM
To use a backwoods expression, "Critters always follow patterns so you can catch them as animals are creatures of habit".
What we are seeing is a repeat of the American hostage crisis. The Iranians earlier this month tried a lure and trap operation in northern Iraq which failed as the Americans shot one Iranian.
The British though were caught.
What we are witnessing is the first "test" to see how far Iran can go. If they believe they can take the embassy, "students" will take the British embassy.
I also conclude that Iran will in the next weeks try to kidnap some Americans.
This situation is not about Iranian criminals held captive, but as humiliation to Blair and to Bush. It is highly likely that Iran with it's nukes will hold these hostages and more until after 2008 when the American elections are held and as Blair will then be gone too.
Iran is repeating like all critters do. America missed the ruse last time and our soldiers must not be captured as this is not about anything now but humiliating the west.
Posted by: Lame Cherry at April 1, 2007 1:43 PM
There must be some severely deluded, clueless imbeciles in Iran. They hold a protest after they're the ones who've abducted another country's people? Sheer madness. Iran has been the aggressor here from top to bottom. Where is the UN (United Numbskulls) to condemn all, or any, of this?
Posted by: staff_of_magius at April 1, 2007 1:45 PM
The worst is the people on CNN who say the reason they are mad is they haven't ethnically cleansed enough Christians and Jews there or here, and we have to give them some more human sacrifices to propitiate Allah.
US Army Mobilization WWI from 0.2 to Victory 19mo
One of the CNN guys was asking if Bosnia was the model. I thought the right answer was, no, there aren't enough Christians to betray in Iraq. We'll have to let them go all the way to Europe before we can do that again.
The military option was finally taken off the table for the Eastern Roman Empire in 1453. For the Austrians it still was on the table, fortunately for us. Use it or lose it.
Posted by: Old Atlantic at April 1, 2007 1:51 PM
And why does Britain have an embassy in this terrorism hotbed and Islamofascist hellhole?
Posted by: profitsbeard at April 1, 2007 1:51 PM
leonthepigfarmer
And a couple of the others talking about the Eu and Blue Pills, footbal and bee..
I, too wish Germany could leave the EU.
And all the others too.
We have to start fresh. Economic ties and a free-trade zone is good.
But this ceding of sovereignty to the all-mighty UN-ELECTED EU is a perversion of democracy.
The EU is convenient for leftist POLOticians to pull the wool over our eyes. They enact things EU-wide which never would pass in a regular election in any EU country. This is how Leftist-Fascism works. The Lefty inazis use institutions to achieve their aims. The nazis and other fascists use military power and mobs. Islam uses both.
Oh yes, they call this the European project. Hitler would've been proud. And no bloodshed either!
If you have 65-75% in Britain who'd vote for leaving the EU, God Bless you. You should find a way of starting a referendum on it.
At least you still have the British Pound.
PS. what is the UKIP?
at April 1, 2007 1:59 PM
Just think, somewhere in that crowd of angry Moslems protesting at the UK embassy in Tehran there may lurk a future president of the Islamic Republic of Iran.
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at April 1, 2007 2:03 PM
It always amazes me that the Muslim world continuously chants "death to America," even in situations that technically don't involve America at all.
Don't you watch the http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DtLnmO-akrnI&usg=AL29H22jo6EOfepBtt4XhdVDHP77HxuvNg">All-English-Speaking Al Jazeera Network?
Posted by: Cheeky Human at April 1, 2007 2:05 PM
I read on Fox that now Nancy Pelosi is going to Syria to plead for the release of the British hostages. She'll be going along with Keith Ellison, whose presence will doubtless impress Assad with the fact that some of Mrs. Pelosi's best friends are Muslim, though her pro-Israeli voting record may somewhat blunt the intended effect.
If the hostage taking was intended as a diversion from nukes and sanctions, which it appears to have been, then isn't the proper diplomatic course of action one of apparent neglect?
at April 1, 2007 2:07 PM
"Thank God I live in the USA.
It hasn't sunk quite as low as Europe yet".
We have politicians that have ceded US sovereignty to Mexico, whilst keeping our brave military men and women protecting the soverignty of an Islamic nations run by sharia law.
Politicans who are slowly trying to undermine the citizen base in this country through immigration "reform".
Take a look at Flake/Gutierrez where US citizens CAN BE LEGALLY REPLACED BY FOREIGN WORKERS. Unelected NGOs can send us refugees without the consent of the President.
Sorry, but it IS that bad here.
Posted by: treehugger at April 1, 2007 2:08 PM
Just think, somewhere in that crowd of angry Moslems protesting at the UK embassy in Tehran there may lurk a future president of the Islamic Republic of Iran.
And if they do storm the UK Embassy, you can bet your last dollar there WILL be a future President of the Islamonazi Republic of Iran lurking in the crowd.
Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at April 1, 2007 2:35 PM
For what it's worth, there was a large demonstration at Ground Zero, NY on 3.21. Against islamofascism. No MSM coverage.
But the mullahs sure know how to get cameras rolling and breathless media reporting (and us endlessly posting).
This was a non-event event.
Please let us keep our eyes on the ball--the real ball.
Posted by: turn at April 1, 2007 2:36 PM
Someone posted a comment above asking why there were no protests at the Iranian Embassy in the UK and it was reported there was a peaceful protest held there today, unlike the riot that was held in front of the UK Embassy in Tehran.
Tony Blair's handling of this crisis has been absolutely nauseating and he has done nothing to secure the release of the BBC reporter who was captured in Gaza by Al Qaeda operatives. The Iranians wanted to trade the captured UK sailors for the 5 Iranians we are holding in Iraq and Bush said no, thank God. In truth this crisis has only empowered and emboldened the Iranians because of the poor handling by Blair. From communications I've had with Brits in the past, they don't seem to like us much and do tend to side with the passive EU. One Englishman went so far as to tell me that we have the worst soldiers in the world and what they fear the most is collateral damage from US soldiers who are poor shooters. My fear is a rift is coming between the US and UK, who will tend to become more passive and side with the EU on most issues in the near future. I also predict an Iranian/Arab alliance against the West is to come.
Iran is now trying to actively unite the Arab world against the West. The past 30 years Iran has gotten away with more kidnappings and killing of Americans and none of our leaders have done anything to retaliate or stop them. I do believe now is the time to act and bomb their nuclear and military installations to kingdom come.
Posted by: Bonniea at April 1, 2007 2:49 PM
Where is the UN (United Numbskulls) to condemn all, or any, of this?
- posted above
Why is any civilized Western nation still in the UN, and why the hell were all those pissant little Muslim countries allowed into it, not to mention Russia and China?
The United Nations really is like a bunch of cannibals and a few missionaries voting on who will be eaten for lunch.
Out of the UN.
To hell with the damn thing. What a farce it has become.
Unbelievable, the insanity the world is sinking into.
And regarding Ahmadinejad, I read om amother forum an excellent suggestion, which I will quote here :
"Bring Ahmadinejad to the US for a UN conference and then take the opportunity to hang the f**ker right in the UN’s General Assembly. The United Nations has turned out to be a big enabler for the most vicious useless turds in history. And they all depend on the UN for money, support and political power.
I’d like to the see the expressions on their faces when they realize just how useless the UN can be when Ahmadinejad starts doing the rope dance.".
at April 1, 2007 2:50 PM
treehugger-
Yes. As they start work on a 3-footballs fields wide scar through the heart of America called the nafta highway. Corporate Fascism + Multiculti One-Worldism +Islam. I watched a WWII movie the other night(Best Years of Our Lives). It was like a movie about wonderful people on another planet.
Posted by: poetcomic1 at April 1, 2007 2:50 PM
Thank God I live in the USA.
It hasn't sunk quite as low as Europe yet".
The leader of the U.S. House of Representatives, Speaker Nancy Pelosi, toured Jerusalem holy sites Saturday, along with a congressional delegation that included Democratic Rep. Keith Ellison, the first Muslim elected to Congress.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/03/31/politics/main2632160.shtml
So was she elected by the "folks back home" to represent them in Washington or just where?
JERUSALEM (AP) - House Speaker Nancy Pelosi will tell Syrian leaders when she visits Damascus this week on a trip criticized by the Bush ...
A house divided against itself will not do what?
But lest you think we could not sink lower, consider this ...
AMERICA LOVES HILLARY; TOP FUNDRAISER FOR ROUND ONE: $36 MILLION
Sun Apr 01 2007 13:28:02 ET
http://drudgereport.com/flash2.htm
Europe may be on its knees before Iran's ape-faced freak, but it looks to me like certain people who theorectically represent the US will soon enough have their rear-ends up in the air before the ape.
I suggest it is unwise to bend over in front of the ape, but then I, like most Americans, am not represented by those who hold power in Washington.
And don't delude yourselves into thinking that Blair cares one bit about those being held hostage; the ONLY thing Blair cares about is not appearing "offensive" to his islamic masters in London.
Posted by: witness at April 1, 2007 3:53 PM
DEBKAfile: A UK guarantee to stay permanently out of Iranian waters would exclude Britain from a Western military strike on Iran
http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=3997
If this is anywhere near factual, blair (yes, lower case!) has sent a suicide not to the ape and has effectively written off the hostages.
It saddens me, but why am I not surprised?
And as our esteemed Washington representatives are defiling the Christian sites during the Easter season, there is this:
Israeli military intelligence chief predicts Iran-Hizballah-Syria attack on Israel in summer
http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=4001
Let's hope Gen. Amos Yadlin is wrong! Iran has two secret weapons -- Condi Rice and now blair -- that will be used to destroy Israel once, and for all.
They don't need nukes, besides they will have Ellison, and Pelosi to add to their arsenal.
But the mushroom clouds that glow in the dark will be an extra cosmetic touch that will probably be a lovely sight from the safety of Tehran.
at April 1, 2007 4:26 PM
Blair nose is being held up the ape's butt so long, that he is becoming delusional. what the heck the EU just hung him out to dry, and he has no balls. so where is the Great Brittania?
Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at April 1, 2007 4:42 PM
"I can't believe that all these Englishmen buy into stupid Anti-Americanism just because the BBC feeds it to them."
If you want to know why some Englishmen buy into Anti-Americanism, you've only got to read a few of the stupid anti-British posts on this site!
Posted by: JFGR at April 1, 2007 4:48 PM
@ turn.
As much as I'd like to agree with you, there were about 50-60 people at the Demonstration. I was there so I know.
If we'd been that same number of cyclists we might have made it onto NY1 - barely.
So relax. It is up to US to SHOW up at these things.
Are you pledging to go to the next demo in your area?
I pledge to go to the next one held in the NYC area.
Next: We had 50-60. Maybe they can have on on the 4th of July next time?
I'd volunteer to bring some German beer and some nice pork sausages from a Ukranian butcher on the East Side.
To be consumed after the speeches.
We have to get off our asses and onto the street!
The MSM can ignore us even if we're seversal hundred strong. We're not expecting anything else from the MSM. But we should expect MORE [turnout] from ourselves.
How serious ARE we about this?
Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 1, 2007 4:49 PM
staying sober and fighting back? Come on Old Atlantic, do we have to stay sober??
Nancy Pelosi, according to an AP story is conveying a message to Syria from Israel. "that Israel will only engage in peace talks if Syria stops supporting Palestinian militants,"
Since when did our Congress (the Dems) support Israel?
Help I'm in the twilight zone.
So many things seem to be games and tricks within trick and games that I feel like I'm in one of those spy novels with the double and triple agents. Not long ago I watched 'The Spy Who Came In From The Cold' with Richard Burton, spooky movie.
All these confusing things caused me to look up and re-read Donald Rumsfelds NATO speech of 2002. The one about the known unknowns, I'm starting to wonder if he was the only one who really got it.
"The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." I am not referring as he was, to the WMD, but to the seemingly chaotic things that are going on in the world today.
Maybe they are not as chaotic as we think. Think back to your history of WWII, both the UK and the USA did some things that were not known about until long after the war, unusual things. All for the desired end effect of winning the great conflict.
at April 1, 2007 4:51 PM
Oh and speaking of Dhimmicrats running for office and running wild over Israel.. Hakim Ellison of all people??!! Where were the protests in Israel??!!
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/20167.html
read it all..
Al Quaea thanking the Amercian Voter. Boy, will they thank the American Voter if they elect Hitlery!
Guys, this is not the time to be fatalistic. We have the Presidential Election before us.
Let's not blow it. Just lets make sure the nominee isn't Mc-KAIN.
Did anyone see/hear about the Rudy interview on 60min? They're going after what the Left sees as his achilles' heel... his personal life. They asked things like where did he meet Judy Nathan and things of that nature.
I don't give a crap where he met Judy Nathan.
I want to hear what would he do about the British sailors if he were in office today. Things like that.
Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 1, 2007 4:55 PM
Oh and speaking of Dhimmicrats running for office and running wild over Israel.. Hakim Ellison of all people??!! Where were the protests in Israel??!!
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/20167.html
read it all..
Al Quaea thanking the Amercian Voter. Boy, will they thank the American Voter if they elect Hitlery!
Guys, this is not the time to be fatalistic. We have the Presidential Election before us.
Let's not blow it. Just lets make sure the nominee isn't Mc-KAIN.
Did anyone see/hear about the Rudy interview on 60min? They're going after what the Left sees as his achilles' heel... his personal life. They asked things like where did he meet Judy Nathan and things of that nature.
I don't give a crap where he met Judy Nathan.
I want to hear what would he do about the British sailors if he were in office today. Things like that.
Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 1, 2007 4:55 PM
Where's John Bolton on this whole thing? I'm disappointed that he's not still at the Useless Nations. We should send that guy into any crisis with mouth blazing to blister the wits out of our foes.
Nancy Pelosi is John Bolton in anti-matter, yet that's who the voters went for. I guess that's what happened as a result of Bush's mission impossible in Iraq proved impossible.
at April 1, 2007 5:04 PM
Interesting. Heard (FOX News) that the confession videos are being played on Arabic language TV and not in Farsi. Can’t figure out why.
Posted by: pez at April 1, 2007 5:06 PM
It will be neat to see how they react when muslims try to take their "drinks" away from them.
You will be amazed what they might do!
Posted by: greatcometof1577
Sadly, they don't have the courage to walk up and take the guys' beers.. we all know they'll first try to change pub laws because it "offends their sensiblities".
Or try to have pubs closed in certain neighborhoods and the hours reduced.
Then they'll bomb what remains open.
And they'll bomb breweries and distilleries. Or set them on fire. or they'll riot outside demanding they be closed.
Or a combination of all of these things.
They are first-rate cowards and they only work in mobs.
They must be opposed by mobs I am afraid.
at April 1, 2007 5:06 PM
Allanfanco wrote: " i spoke with my mother in the UK a few days ago, she seemed to think that it was americas fault the british got captured, stating (BBC parrot fashion) that because the americans had kidnapped 5 iranians then iran was just using them as a bargaining chip. sadly my mother's view point is prolly 75% of how all indigenous british really feel."
It is also the way that the Iranians want the Brits to feel.
Posted by: Johnathan at April 1, 2007 5:15 PM
Nancy Pelosi is John Bolton in anti-matter, yet that's who the voters went for. I guess that's what happened as a result of Bush's mission impossible in Iraq proved impossible.
Posted by: jewdog
I call her Nancy P. As in pea-brain or P as in Kenny G. Soft jazz without any content.
at April 1, 2007 5:18 PM
"I can't believe that all these Englishmen buy into stupid Anti-Americanism just because the BBC feeds it to them."
If you want to know why some Englishmen buy into Anti-Americanism, you've only got to read a few of the stupid anti-British posts on this site!
The reason why you have "anti-British" posts on this site is because the British are acting "stupid" in many areas and have themselves in a bit of a mess from which they can't not manage to extricate themselves.
Unfortunately, Churchill, if he were alive, would have a few choice comments to make about the British today, that would sting far worse than any comment that could be mustered here.
Even Churchill's parrot would have a few bitter wags with which to chastise today's British (still capitalized) -- BECAUSE THEY DESERVE IT along with a good, swift, royal kick, in the arse!
Posted by: witness at April 1, 2007 5:37 PM
I like Rudy because he's a sophisticated New Yorker who has proven his ability to cut through the BS, to be tough, be smart and get things done. He wouldn't accept Saudi money after 9/11, so he's morally centered too.
Bush is decent, but I think Mideast complexity is over his head, as it is over the heads of most of our government "experts".
I'm betting, and hoping, that Rudy "gets it".
at April 1, 2007 5:58 PM
It is April Fools Day.
And we're fooling ourselves to think that Bush would be doing anything different than Blair.
Condi would be writing checks.
Posted by: pez at April 1, 2007 6:21 PM
Jdog I'm with you on Rudy. But he's got to get tougher. The Left will keep hammering away at his personal life.
They know he'll win based on his strong stand on Homeland defense. Rudy returned a $12M check "for the victims of 9/11" from some SOWdi princeling because the princeling wanted some "the Israelis are also terrorists" statement in return for the money. Rudi promptly returned the check. IMHO it would've been even better had he donated the money to a charity in Israel which assists victims of homicide bombers. But he may have acted on the spur of the moment and it shows his heart is in the right lace.
The MSM are gonna come with sob story after sob story about how he isn't nice to children from prior marriages and so on and so forth. It's starting already. They know he's the one who will CRUSH Hitlery if he gets the nomination.
The Left will muster up a Grand Coalition ranging from Chuck "I wanna slap Whitey" Barron to Chuck "I hate America" Murtha.
And all of Hollyweird. They're safe in LA, you know. The terrorists only attack on the East Coast.
They can always film their "after New York got nuked by the islamonazis.. er.. our new Islamic Overlords.." movie in Toronto if the radiation levels in the City should be too high for their "environmental" sensibilities.
McKain would be a DISASTER. He's like Hitlery in drag. Only he looks better han her. Which ain't sayin' a whole lot.
To the guys complaining about "Brit-bashing": if you're gona quote me then quote ME - not someone whom I quoted. The guy you quoted whom I quoted is English FYI. There is divided opinion even among English people on this board.
Bashing bLiar is not Brit-Bashing. In fact, it's the opposite. We're the ones who want Britain to stand up and we are fed up with the dhimminess of Blair.
I'm down with Maggie myself, thank you very much. They should clone that woman and make here dictator of England until the green hordes have left!
Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 1, 2007 6:35 PM
Yes, to some who posted above: I too am struck by the absence of corresponding protests outside the Iranian embassies and/ or consulates in ANY 'Western' country.
Perhaps what is needed are 'million-man marches' - NOT to the embassies of the Muslim countries, but converging on Western seats of government, all very orderly and peaceful, in deadly and resolute silence, but carrying placards advising our leaders, 'MOHAMMED WAS A PIRATE', 'DO NOT SUBMIT TO ISLAM' 'NEVER NEGOTIATE, NEVER SURRENDER', and so on.
Failing huge rallies outside Parliaments or Congress, how about large delegations (20-50 people?) turning up - peacefully, with informative, well-written leaflets about the 'religion of war' - on the doorsteps of politicians and religious and business leaders?
As for Iranian embassies - I know the 'vilification of religion' thing would come into play, but nonviolent street theatre spots involving merciless, accurate and intelligent 'the Goodies' or 'Monty Python' style ridicule of the most evil aspects of Islam and its Prophet might have more impact than rocks, bricks, or shouting.
Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at April 1, 2007 6:36 PM
Anyone want to speculate on the number of campus protests in the West against Iran? My guess is zero, counting only those gatherings greater in number than the hostages taken.
The colleges are a chink in the armor against Islamo-fascism. They're staffed by bitter people who seem to get a vicarious pleasure out of the anti-Westernism of the jihadis. But they're just sore because nobody listens to them and they know it, and thank God nobody does.
at April 1, 2007 6:50 PM
Witness, I am not anti-British and I have seem few truly anti-British comments on this site. What you think are anti-British statements are comments expressing our bewilderment at the apparent lack of resolve in facing an act of bald aggression.
Posted by: Pelayo at April 1, 2007 6:53 PM
"The reason why you have "anti-British" posts on this site is because the British are acting "stupid" in many areas and have themselves in a bit of a mess from which they can't not manage to extricate themselves."
And you think you have the superior wisdom, moral fibre and virtue to put them right? No, the reason you have anti-British posts on this site is this:
1. You have reasoned comments by Robert, Hugh and other thoughtful and sensible anti-jihadists which quite deservedly draw attention to, and deservedly lambast, examples of dhimmitude by (some) British people (mainly people in authority). They are not "anti-British" in the sense of:
2. those people (mainly Americans) who, incensed by what Robert and co. draw attention to, descend into true anti-Britishness, which reeks with hatred for the old colonialists and leaves reason far behind. These people, the Brit-Ranters, turn a blind eye to all the cases of dhimmitude chronicled by Robert and co. in the USA, puff themselves up with nauseating self-righteousness, and proceed to consign the whole British people to hell – “The British do this, the British do that”. You think nobody “acts stupid” in the USA? I suppose you would say CAIR, Nancy Pelosi, Jimmy Carter and co. are not really American. But we could retort that British dhimmis are not really British.
“Unfortunately, Churchill, if he were alive, would have a few choice comments to make about the British today, that would sting far worse than any comment that could be mustered here.”
Of course he would, but we would accept that from a Churchill, but not from some ignorant and vituperative redneck who has absolutely no reason to feel superior to the many people in Britain today who are just as aware of the issues involved as thinking people the world over. It is the smug, patronising and downright nasty anti-Britishness that we British posters on JW/DW justifiably object to. And then you wonder why some people in Britain are anti-American!
“Even Churchill's parrot would have a few bitter wags with which to chastise today's British (still capitalized) -- BECAUSE THEY DESERVE IT along with a good, swift, royal kick, in the arse!"
Note the irrelevant, snide and downright childish “royal” reference – an obsession with the monarchic system often gives these people away. And someone who writes this kind of stuff thinks he has some valuable insights to offer the benighted British!
Just remember, this is not an exclusively American site, and there are British posters here who are fully aware of the issues involved, and share the views of Robert, Hugh and co. about the menace we are ALL facing, but are exasperated by this strident and idiotic anti-Britishness (and in general anti-Europeanism) all too common in the comments on this site, which only serve to give comfort to our common enemies and nurture that very anti-Americanism which is complained of. If the British posters on this site went on a rant about America every time Robert and Hugh mentioned some crass piece of dhimmitude in the USA, how would you feel?
at April 1, 2007 7:09 PM
Re the anti-American/anti-British spat going on here:
I think you Americans are under the impression that Britain is a democracy. Well it isn't. Blair and his version of a Labour party were elected by just 22.8% (between a quarter and a fifth)of the British electorate, but got 100% of the power. HE DOES NOT SPEAK OR ACT FOR THE BRITISH PEOPLE. Neither does our media, especially the BBC.
You British here (I'm British too): seems to me like some think the Americans are your enemies. They're NOT. And yes, a lot of Brits here in the UK are anti-American, but nowhere near 75%. It may be 75% of the media, but that's not the same as the people. And if Brit people are so supportive of Europe, why are the European elites twisting themselves into such contortions of language in order to avoid letting us have a referendum on a European Constitution?
We're all on the same side in this problem with Islam but acting like a married couple bickering all the time when things aren't going well.
Frankly, both our countries are governed and influenced by elite groups who are acting in no one's interests but their own. It would just be nice if the rest of us had a clue just what those interests are. My own suspicion is that they involve wallets ... but that's only my suspicion.
Posted by: Sir Henry Morgan at April 1, 2007 7:15 PM
To the poster at 7.09pm: are you British, or are you European?
Bring back the Iron Lady, somehow, some way.
Posted by: Dane at April 1, 2007 7:19 PM
Nah nah nah nah - Americans are bigger anti-dhimmis than the Brits are...but then size doesn't really matter, does it ladies?
Posted by: jewdog at April 1, 2007 7:30 PM
Thankyou JFGR,
It has become a Brit bashing site recently and I must admit that I have been wondering if I’m posting with the enemy.
We are fighting with a small but highly professional army in both Afghanistan and Iraq alongside the Americans, yet we have troops in large numbers in Ireland and many other places across the world.
Personally I would tell the Europeans to take our place in Helmand or we would withdraw from Europe and cut the money that paid for Spain’s roads. Then I would ask America nicely to take up the slack in Basra.
Finally I would bomb Iran back to the Stone Age.
But then I’m just another Dhimmi Brit and therefore incapable of surviving the raw military power of a country as great as Iran with her advanced nuclear submarines and MBT’s.
at April 1, 2007 7:33 PM
"To the poster at 7.09pm: are you British, or are you European?
Bring back the Iron Lady, somehow, some way."
I am that poster.
I am British, to be precise, English (didn't you guess?). All British people are European, because "Europe" is the name of a continent, and Britain lies within that continent. (All men are mortal, Socrates is a man, therefore Socrates is mortal.) I am also a great admirer of European culture and achievements through the ages. Or did you mean something else? (And the Iron Lady is perfectly entitled to put herself forward for election as the leader of the Conservative Party, as far as I know.)
Posted by: JFGR at April 1, 2007 7:40 PM
President Albert II is my main new and shiny enemy with his ape like mentality and aggression. After him I think I’d like an hour and a stun gun with good old Osama.
On the American side, I must admit that Nancy Pelosi really winds me up. I don’t want to introduce her to the kind of pain UBL would enjoy because I know she is merely misguided. Carter makes me angry though.
In Britain I am hoping for a Holy Grail moment where the peasants decide to burn Blair because he is a duck, made from wood and therefore must be burnt has a witch. Although, I’m probably thinking of his wife.
I want David Davis to run my country after Bliar scuttles with his bitch to your country on the lecture tour.
Why who’s your enemy?
Posted by: Mert at April 1, 2007 7:47 PM
I saw So-Crates on TV today. He was a most excellent European dude.
Posted by: Mert at April 1, 2007 7:54 PM
I keep replying to all these interesting and challenging posts. So I keep wanting to comment on this:
They also demanded that the Iranian government expel the British ambassador and close down the embassy, calling it a "den of spies."
So what do they call the iranian mission to the UN?
Next time the NYPD catches any of them filming our bridges and our subways we should throw them in jail.
F*CK *RAN!!!!
Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 1, 2007 7:55 PM
F*CK *RAN!!!!
Posted by: Mert at April 1, 2007 8:00 PM
"What you think are anti-British statements are comments expressing our bewilderment at the apparent lack of resolve in facing an act of bald aggression."
Pelayo-
Let me tell you something mate. I am sure many of my fellow Britons who frequent this site will have noticed this, but I'll spell it out as best I can. What you posted there is wearing a little thin, now. It's not just you; Quite a few posters come across the same way and it goes something like this:
"We're not blasting all the Brits and being rude and obnoxious about the entire nation, it's just that we feel so strongly about a place we love so much, honestly, that it hurts us and in our frustration we lash out...er... At you"
How is it productive at all to sit there and denigrate an entire nation?. We Brit posters are no less patriotic and willing to fight to preserve our cultural heritage than any other citizen of any other nation meeting here to express agreement, provoke debate or otherwise make their contribution.
Yet whenever my poor old Blighty comes up, there is quite frankly a boringly predictable rush of viciously phrased, to say nothing of often blindingly ignorant comments that rush headlong to the conclusion that whatever event has transpired it therefore follows that said event will inevitably be the fault of every single man, woman and child currently residing upon this island.
What utter bollocks. Again, bollocks.
It would be nice for a change if we didn't have to hear how much of a shower of cowardly, appeasing, Islam-whipped, socialist, sharia-wanting bunch of pussies, jew haters/killers, anti-semitic, getting-ready-to-start-the-next-holocaust-'cause-we're-like-that, wankers that have sold everybody out.
Yeah I think I have read nice sentiments from a lot of people and for that I'm grateful. But just a little word about any well mannered Brit: Were they to express those sentiments listed above, they would be considered to be rude and obnoxious. So that's just what it is to us: rude and obnoxious.
Is it any wonder that certain of us feel the need to respond the way we do sometimes?. It is certainly often repeated that American travelers have many times had to grit their teeth and endure the mindless anecdotes, spouted by European acquaintances, upon the reason why America is such a bad, bad country.
So why should we feel any different when the situation is reversed?. The traveler goes home and is glad to be there where he doesn't have to put up with that crap anymore. I only have to shut down the computer, but it's no different.
Britain is a nation in serious political trouble. To all intents and purposes, there is no effective opposition to the politics that have our nation in it's grip at the moment. It's so bad that most of the electorate have become completely, politically apathetic. It may continue to the point that it becomes bad enough, or something bad enough happens, that those sleeping voters have had enough and it all comes down to the one factor: Who will finally listen to the people?. Our society is certainly starting to get wound up. How wound up that needs to be before something breaks I don't know. Something has got to give.
So would it be too much to ask for, instead of the usual blanket condemnations and out and out displays of bad manners, perhaps a measure of sympathy. We may even get a debate.
As I've said, it would be considered bad manners if a well brought up Brit so attacked a mans national pride so glibly.
To be afforded the same consideration is not much to ask for, I think.
Posted by: Wishbone at April 1, 2007 8:05 PM
From the BBC
Iranian state television has aired new footage of two of the 15 Royal Navy personnel captured nine days ago.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6515995.stm
While the rest of the civilised world writes of the abduction of the 15 Marines, the BBC sees it as 'captured'. This tiny slip shows which side the BBC is on.
Posted by: DP111
at April 1, 2007 8:05 PM
Again from the BBC
President George W Bush has condemned Iran's "inexcusable behaviour" after its capture of 15 Royal Navy personnel.
The BBC puts "inexcusable behaviour" in scare quotes, as if such a behaviour was not "inexcusable behaviour".
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6514567.stm
Posted by: DP111 at April 1, 2007 8:08 PM
Amen.
Posted by: Mert at April 1, 2007 8:13 PM
I've just checked the BBC site, and yes, the word 'captured' or 'captives', is used consistently. So it just cannot be a one reporter inadvertantly using it but a policy decision and made known to all writing on Iran.
Posted by: DP111 at April 1, 2007 8:15 PM
Shock and some considerable horror DP111:
"The BBC is dominated by trendy, Left-leaning liberals who are biased against Christianity and in favour of multiculturalism."
"BBC executives admitted the corporation is dominated by homosexuals and people from ethnic minorities, deliberately promotes multiculturalism, is anti-American, anti-countryside and more sensitive to the feelings of Muslims than Christians."
And if I don't pay for this impartial service I get a day in court saying yes sir, I'm sorry sir don't punish me too hard sir.
Posted by: Mert at April 1, 2007 8:28 PM
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staying sober and fighting back? Come on Old Atlantic, do we have to stay sober??
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auntbea [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 1, 2007 04:51 PM
Not all the time, but when did we have last have a victory to celebrate? And its dangerous to drink on defeats.
Posted by: Old Atlantic at April 1, 2007 8:50 PM
yeah i'm british, english, served twice in the UK armed forces, Royal Artillery from 1987 (joined when i was 16 years old) and then joined the reserve forces (honourable artillery company) britains oldest regiment.
i'm immensely patriotic more so than your average joe bloggs. i'm pretty much sickened by the bahaviour of my fellow british when faced with the threat from islamic monsters. rather than fight (and i mean this politically and using only legal means) they would rather succumb to the islamic law.
and our pubs are being ethnically cleansed. especially pubs in oldham are getting firebombed, the white areas that are being enchroached by islamic areas, they dont like our ways so they firebomb or ethnically cleanse our culture.
allahfanculo - the ukip is the "united kingdom independent party", though i wouldnt advise anyone to vote for them but rather vote for the other party i mentioned.
anti-americanism and anti-british sentiment has got to stop. we need to turn our fight to the islamists and their left wing lackeys.
if i have offended anyone on this particular post then i sincerely apologise. but i am fed up to the back teeth with anti-americanism in the UK and the apathy shown by the average brit to the islamic invasion. do we need another london slaughter to wake us up? how about a massacre in nottingham? the british oldham lads are the ones that will lead the british nationalist revivalism and save poor old blighty, hopefully deleting the guardian reading socialists in hampstead along the way.
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at April 1, 2007 8:53 PM
quote
Frankly, both our countries are governed and influenced by elite groups who are acting in no one's interests but their own. It would just be nice if the rest of us had a clue just what those interests are. My own suspicion is that they involve wallets ... but that's only my suspicion.
Posted by: Sir Henry Morgan [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 1, 2007 07:15 PM
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7 of the top 8 wealthiest Senators voted for S. 2611, amnesty, affirmative action, non-deportable crime, and a pathway for the top 1 percent of households to continue to enjoy 20 percent of each year’s income, compared to 10 percent before Kennedy’s 1965 Immigration Act. The only 1 of the top 8 who didn’t vote for S. 2611 didn’t vote, Jay Rockefeller. McCain is 7th and Kennedy 8th in wealth.
http://www.opensecrets.org/pfds/overview.asp?type=W&cycle=2005&filter=S
Rank Name Minimum Net Worth Maximum Net Worth
1 Herb Kohl (D-Wis) $219,098,029 to $234,549,004 Voted Yes S. 2611
2 John Kerry (D-Mass) $165,741,511 to $235,262,100
Voted Yes S. 2611
3 Jay Rockefeller (D-WVa) $78,150,023 to $101,579,003 Not Voting S. 2611
4 Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif) $43,343,464 to $98,660,021 Voted Yes S. 2611
5 Lincoln D. Chafee (R-RI) $41,153,105 to $64,096,019 Voted Yes S. 2611
6 Frank R. Lautenberg (D-NJ) $38,198,170 to $90,733,019 Voted Yes S. 2611
7 John McCain (R-Ariz) $25,071,142 to $38,043,014
Voted Yes S. 2611
8 Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass) $19,189,049 to $93,043,004 Voted Yes S. 2611
McCain Fighting to Recapture Maverick Spirit of 2000 Bid
Posted by: Old Atlantic at April 1, 2007 8:55 PM
And if Brit people are so supportive of Europe, why are the European elites twisting themselves into such contortions of language in order to avoid letting us have a referendum on a European Constitution?
[...]
Posted by: Sir Henry Morgan
They won't allow a referendum on anything European in Germany either... They bent and twisted till they suttles the "Volksentscheid" for Ratification of the EU "constipation".
They *knew* how we'd have voted! Thank God for the French and the Dutch and the Danes who I know voted against that shyte!
Any country where a popular vote was allowed passed on the EU "constipation".
But the peopke don't know better - so let's not let them vote on things they don't understand anything about.
The one thing that pisses me off about the Americans is whenever they want something from Turkey they dangle our Europe before their drooling fangs - as if they are the ones to make our membership discussions for us.
They probably think it has the added effect of being "bad for Germany so it's good for us". And that is a very short-sighted way to make policy!
Turkey is a Trojan Horse of **major** proportions, Mr Bush!!
To let them into Europe is truly bringing the Camel's entire head in the tent. And the body won't be far behind!
Once Turkey is in - does anyone believe it will stop there??!!
Lebanon and Turkey are already exporting thousands of their thugs into Germany and then refuse to take them back. The thugs simply destroy their documentation upon their arrival and we fools feed and house them as they roam the streets in packs!
I really am not so crazy about the ideas they hatch inside the State department. They tend to be short-sighted and dangerous. See backing bin Laden vs. the Soviets in Afghanistan. See under: not reacting to KKKomeini's iran "students" taking the hostages.
Now we have 16,000 visas for SOWdi "students" right her in the USA. Great isn't it? why not allow in the same number of iranian "students"? since they're so good at protesting and hostage-taking. It's all be a riot! A *regular* riot, Alice!
They can teach their lefty Amercian counterparts a thing or two about rioting and causing general mayhem while they are here.
Brought to you by the US Dept. of State!!
So there's some "America-bashing" for y'all.
So we had German-bashing and Brit-bashing already. And much French-bashing too. We all deserve our share. Not the guys and gals on this board. But these lame countries with their make-it-up-as-we-go-along short-sighted politics need a little bashing!!!
Bringing Turkey in the EU will bring in Algeria Tunisia and Morocco at the very least. Oh, and the lovely Land of Lebanon!!!
What I am hearing out of Australia about their behaviour closely matches what the Germans are saying about them. They've already started a gang war in BErlin with regular shootouts by use of Automatic machine pistols.
Isn't multi-culturalism GREAT??!!
Then we have an islamist who somehow beat a rap and has 4 wives and six kids sucking up welfare and other benefits whilst sitting on his ass in Berlin!! Now he got the right in COURT to name the newest addition to his lovely family "Jihad".
All HAIL MuliKKKulturaliZm!!!!!
Hail to ze Greenz!!!
Won't be long till they rename the Cologne Cathedral the Claudia-Roth-Mosk!!! [Stole that line from a poster on PI.de]
God I saw this crap coming so many many years ago.. I was called every name in the book. Simply for asking questions like: Did Israel ever attack Germany? Who is responsible for the massacre at Munich? Who hijacked the Landshut? Who helped us to successfully rescue both passengers and crew?
Back in the early 80s it was considered "racist" in Germany to ask these questions.
In case anyone is wondering why I left.
I keep hoping that sanity will return to my homeland, but I am fast losing faith. Instead it's getting worse and worse and when you think it was all a bad dream it's gotten even worse!!!!
I am perfectly capable of Germany-bashing as well. It's overly deserved. Just they prefer to be bashed by Lebanese and Turkish gangs rather than by toughtful voices like my own.
And Guenther Grass, the Ex-SS NAzi is now the leading "voice of consciousness" in Germany. Of course he's a member fo the lunatic leftist mainstream - formerly knows as the fringe!!
So yes, America still has it better than we do. I just wish they'd stop pushing us toward our doom with their open support for Turkey in the EU and other crap nonsense!!
Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 1, 2007 9:00 PM
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/ScrapMegaMosque/
RIGHT EVERYONE SHUT UP AND SIGN THIS!!!!!
this is an online #10 downing street petition against london's mega mosque proposal.
sign it and at least hope you are making a difference. send this link to everyone that you know.
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at April 1, 2007 9:06 PM
Leon I’m a Chorley lad,
I would be happy to come along and meet your lot in Oldham.
at April 1, 2007 9:07 PM
The Deceivers
Beware, beware,
the Ides of March were here,
and scattered seeds of discord everywhere
throughout the prosperous Free Lands.
Remember,
this is their plan,
to divide us, and keep us apart.
It is not good, but bad. It is jihad.
We must not bicker, criticize or hate
each other but rather come together
and fight for Freedom's sake,
before it is too late.
Remember,
we don't have to be friends,
but we must be allies in this war.
It is our fate
to face the beast, ba'al melech
and banish him and his blood sacrifice
into the everlasting circles of hell,
once again, we must be glorious allies.
at April 1, 2007 9:08 PM
Iran is acting like a school bully. This has been going on for almost 30 years. I remember reading "The Book of Lists" many years ago. In the heading "Countries that can blow us up in 5 years", Iran was under that category. Enough is enough! Let's roll!!
Before it's to late....
Posted by: The Resistance at April 1, 2007 9:12 PM
so allahfanculo you live in the USA now? what part? i love it here. i was in a room full of attorneys, some woman sat there, from san francisco, she was trendy, lefty looking and the first words out of her mouth blew me away. she stated that"britain has many muslims, i was shocked to see this on the news" and finished with something like "its terrible they have taken over parts of your country". in the UK she wouldve been sacked on the spot for saying that!
another attorney later told me that the UK has mojor problems with muslims. i tell you, people in the USA will not put up with a lot of crap that the british allow. over here in the US we have talk show hosts that would be imprisoned if they repeated their shows in the UK. Michael savage for example, (he is my hero and had me beating my steering wheel in a fit of anger and passion as he spoke that the UK government and ken livingstone did nothing but appease muslims afer the slaughter of 50 londoners)i heard zero hardline language from anyone in the UK. even my so called friend sent me a text stating that the bombs were teh fault of tony blair and bush!!!
but saying that almost a million ordinary londoners turned out a week later to fly the flag as teh queen marched up the mall, that was a moving touching sight as i watched the lancasters fly over and the BBC had previously stated that here in he UK we didnt have the same flag waving as the americans did after their 9/11.
sorry for the rant, hoped it makes sense. but the british people just need a great leader, we are a great people led (not me anymore) by donkeys!
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at April 1, 2007 9:16 PM
RE:They also demanded that the Iranian government expel the British ambassador and close down the embassy, calling it a "den of spies."
Espionage helps keep the peace during cold wars...
Posted by: The Resistance at April 1, 2007 9:19 PM
mert
sorry im actually london born, but lived in lincs for a while!
same pakistani firebombing of london east end pubs is occuring on the islamic borders of white neighbourhoods.
i met an oldham lad on holiday recently and he told me that oldham is on the brink of a civil war, and it's the white indigenous population thats gonna fight back next. northerners are good people, i miss them.
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at April 1, 2007 9:20 PM
BTW...if i'm going on a bit, please don't hesitate to tell me to shut up!
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at April 1, 2007 9:21 PM
Has anyone heard abou this? Can this be verified elsewhere?
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/features_opinion/iraq.html
Here's the most serious thing from the article in quotes:
"Iraq’s Assyrian Christians face extinction four years after the toppling of Saddam, says Ed West
“When they cook a dish in the Middle East, it is traditional to put the meat on top of the rice when they serve it. They kidnapped a woman’s baby in Baghdad, a toddler, and because the mother was unable to pay the ransom, they returned her child – beheaded, roasted and served on a mound of rice.” The infant’s crime was to be an Assyrian, but this story, reported by the Barnabus Fund, went unnoticed in the West, like so many other horrific accounts of Christian persecution in Iraq."
Maybe we should print such quotes on placards and have them at our next demonstrations. Those things will be done to our children's children some day if we don't act now!
Can anyone tell me if this is a reliable source? Has this been reported elsewhere?
Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 1, 2007 9:29 PM
catholic herald!!!
omg! i'm suprised the editor hasn't been arrested by now for running such an "islamophobic" and "racist" article like that. good to see papers like this out there.
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at April 1, 2007 9:32 PM
So we're already there. They're actually fire-bombing your pubs? Forgive me if I mention the ol' Football Fans again, but Michael Savage says the same thing. If they're burning down your pubs it is time your football fans start making friends with fans from all over. Both within England and abroad!
Get them riled up enough so they're reaady to help out! Tell them you'll take them to a nice pub then show them one that's been recently burned down and say "well, I guess we'll have to go elsewhere for a few pints."
I know if they were German fans who saw this they'd be ready to help you bust some heads!
We definitely don't like destroyers of Beer. The only way to dispose of Beer is to drink it.
F*ck the green hordes!!!!!!
Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 1, 2007 9:37 PM
And why is the enemy working for our press organs these days?
By Nasser Karimi for Associated Press:
TEHRAN, Iran - About 200 students threw rocks and firecrackers at the British Embassy on Sunday
Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 1, 2007 9:38 PM
The story in the Catholic Herald sounds like from a Horror Movie. These days nothing that comes from the Middle East is shocking anymore.
It's so sick I can't even comment I am so numb.
AND I AM PISSED!!!!!
PS. The Pope needs to GET OUT on his veranda and SHOUT it to the Masses!!! He could call in millions of Catholics into action!!
What are they going to do? Arrest the Pope?
Besides the Vatican City is NOT in the EU!!!
Joke's on you fascist EU!!!!
Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 1, 2007 9:43 PM
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=24980_UK_Humiliated_Without_Firing_a_Shot#comments
this anti-british ism will get all you riled up! makes me wanna do the job on Ahmadinejad myself.
are there any anti-jihadist mercenary units getting formed up to take the fight directly to them, ie somalia or afganistan? i'm prepared to join up and fight for freedom against islamic terror.
does anyone know of any international brigades or private armies?
at April 1, 2007 9:45 PM
Hey Leon..
You live in San Fran and you met such enlightened folks? I thought San Fran was the most liberal place in America.
I am glad to hear it too!
PS. I am always asked why I don;t go back and visit Germany. How can I tell them that I am afraid of what I might do to someone or what might happen to me if I were provoked in some way at the wrong moment.
I'm not ready for the culture shock.
Last time I went it was to bury my grandmother in 03. There were garbage bags running all over the streets of her little mountain town. I was in SHOCK! They walked with a defiant "we own the place" attitude. I gave them some very long and nasty looks. They're no gentlemen with our women I am in no mind to be one with theirs.
Amazing.. simply amazing.. they're really like an army.. they just come to us and use our laws against us.
Anyone who raises the issue is an instasnt Nazi Racist and a Fascist too of course. Oh and a homophobe because it sounds so good.
Pfui!!
Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 1, 2007 9:55 PM
This tiny slip shows which side the BBC is on.
Posted by: DP111
As if we didn't already know. LOL. Since the inazi mobs are burning pubs already why not get a huge sign that says PUB on it and place it on the BBC building. Then print up some flyers with the address.. and call it the "saracen's head".. and offer FREE PINTS to one and all.. distribute these discreetly around mosks on Friday..
and see the mobs go to work!
VIVE LA RESISTANCE!!!!
at April 1, 2007 9:59 PM
allahfanculo
sorry to hear of your families mountain town getting trashed, such disrespect for a great culture and people. liberals love to preserve these south american tribes yet can't wait to destroy european tribes! what losers we are for following their creed and rules to control us.
no i dont live in san francisco! i live in georgia, probably in the most conservative area of america, which has strangely a large amount of mosques and veiled women drivers, yet no real violent jihad, yet.
the people here really wouldnt stand for their crap, i hope?
note: the majority (i think?) of the population of georgia descended from 19th century british indentured servants, sent here to the USA, georgia to pay off their debts. londoners in fact. so when americans are anti-british they forget that the majority of them came from the UK! but i'm not gonna go into percentages again!
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at April 1, 2007 10:11 PM
I’m a godless heathen but I went to church this morning for the Palm Sunday service. I only went because I buried my dad yesterday and a prayer was being said for him during the service. The rest of my family believe so we all arrived en masse.
It was interesting but I did feel out of place. Also the church was hardly full even on Palm Sunday.
On the way home my step dad who has spent the last 9 months in Balad said that the Muslim churches are full, but the Church of England is in decline. I couldn’t disagree.
But I pointed out that westerners now worship science and technology, these are our new gods. And they provide weapons so frightening Allah himself is unable to match them. In fact Allah’s followers buy them from us.
at April 1, 2007 10:12 PM
the IRA bombed the BBC HQ in London. strange as the BBC were not really pro or anti IRA in early 2000.
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at April 1, 2007 10:13 PM
Leonthepigfarmer, not all British people are anti-American or blame America for all the world's woes. I am British, and am certainly not anti-American. In fact, you could almost say that I am an American patriot, even though I have never even set foot in your country. I see America as the most benign superpower in human history, and the guarantor of Western freedom. Over two hundred thousand Americans died to liberate Western Europe, and the fashionable anti-Americanism one hears from many continental Europeans depresses me greatly. But ironically enough, some of the most anti-American people I encounter are exiled Americans themselves. I often find myself defending America, past and present, with so-called educated Americans who ALWAYS take the other side on issues such as the current crisis with Iran. Their hatred of George Bush, the American military and even large sections of the American public, which they see as being largely ignorant of the outside world trumps anything Islamic extremism can throw at them. One American even told me that the London tube bombings were caused by his country's invasion of Iraq. Nothing at all to do with Islam; and if that's not enought, well there's always their favourite whipping-boy, Israel.
Perhaps this sounds patronising, but a large section of the public in both our countries, especially amongst people who do not avidly follow world affairs as much as people on this board do, need to be educated about the real and imminent threat of Islamic extremism and its handmaiden: self-loathing apologetic liberalism (Nancy Pelosi, anyone?)
Posted by: The Northumbrian at April 1, 2007 10:22 PM
The only anti-British statements from Americans I've ever heard were from a bartender who was pissed off about tipping practices. I think there is a lot of misperception.
Maybe I run in the wrong circles.
at April 1, 2007 10:31 PM
The Northumbrian
i am actually british! but currently live in the USA. i didnt mean that all brits are anti-american. never said this but the media is very left slanting and regulary airs negative american stories, which does has a creeping psycological affect on the british psyche.
but i agree with your exiled american comments, i met an amercain woman in france at a cafe and i was so embarrassed by her anti-americanism that i had to leave early. she was almost screaming about how embarrassed she was to be american because cheney had shot one of friends!!!
but its really sad that the jewish community, from golders green to new delhi, is getting blamed (again) for all the worlds problems.
the west just needs a few great leaders. i personally would love to vote for Giuliani, if i were an amercian citizen.
but you are correct that british lads and lasses and the american people need to be educated about the dangers of the islamic awakening!
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at April 1, 2007 10:37 PM
Joe from Team America:
Guys, guys, guys! Don't you see this is just what the terrorists want us to do? The war is out there, man! Out there! Now, pull it together!Posted by: Greg Z
at April 1, 2007 10:43 PM
Free on line book and perhaps some answers for any not yet acquainted with "cultural marxism" and its goals:
"'Political Correctness:' A Short History of an Ideology"
(or why many “progressive" Americans (and those of other nations) think the way they do…)
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/Political%20Correctness.htm
excerpt from Introduction:
“The ideology that has taken over America [Western Civilization] goes most commonly by the name of “Political Correctness.” Some people see it as a joke. It is not. It is deadly serious. It seeks to alter virtually all the rules, formal and informal, that govern relations among people and institutions. It wants to change behavior, thought, even the words we use. To a significant extent, it already has. Whoever or whatever controls language also controls thought. Who dares to speak of “ladies” now?
Just what is “Political Correctness?” “Political Correctness” is in fact cultural
Marxism – Marxism translated from economic into cultural terms. The effort to translate
Marxism from economics into culture did not begin with the student rebellion of the
1960s. It goes back at least to the 1920s and the writings of the Italian Communist
Antonio Gramsci. In 1923, in Germany, a group of Marxists founded an institute devoted
to making the translation, the Institute of Social Research (later known as the Frankfurt
School). One of its founders, George Lukacs, stated its purpose as answering the
question, “Who shall save us from Western Civilization?” The Frankfurt School gained
profound influence in American universities after many of its leading lights fled to the
United States in the 1930s to escape National Socialism in Germany.
The Frankfurt School blended Marx with Freud, and later influences (some
Fascist as well as Marxist) added linguistics to create “Critical Theory” and
“deconstruction.” These in turn greatly influenced education theory, and through
institutions of higher education gave birth to what we now call “Political Correctness.”
The lineage is clear, and it is traceable right back to Karl Marx."
Much more in on line book …
at April 1, 2007 11:02 PM
OT
Does anyone know anything about the Armanious family murders?
Did the charges stick on the two young men they arrested?
I don't want this to be forgotten.
at April 1, 2007 11:19 PM
Don't worry. The Armanious case -- it has been more than two years since those two men were arrested and charged, but not a peep since -- has hardly been forgotten at this website.
Posted by: Hugh at April 1, 2007 11:48 PM
Wishbone, I cannot leave this alone. You singled me out and I must say that you may have confused my criticism of the British political leadership with criticism of the British people.
In 1980 we Americans refused to re-elect Jimmy Carter and replaced him with a man who we thought would set the Ship of State on the correct course. If Tony Blair turns out to be another Carter, we expect that you would do what I helped do twenty-seven years ago, change leaders.
We have no choice this time, Bush cannot be re-elected. If the next president is another Bush or Carter, it will be because I could only vote once.
Posted by: Pelayo at April 2,
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