Very ironic since Muslims dont believe Jesus rose from the dead.

Posted by: Elric66 at April 4, 2007 2:16 PM

So the child-raping, mother-beating, father butchering, Mahmuhd A., questions western "family values"....?

Posted by: n.a. palm at April 4, 2007 2:19 PM

The men were dressed in suits and Leading Seaman Faye Turney, the only woman in the 15-strong patrol of marines and sailors, wore a blue headscarf and pink shirt but it was not thought she had shaken hands with the president.
In a reference to Mrs Turney, Mr Ahmadinejad said: "How can you justify seeing a mother away from her home, her children. Why don't they respect the values of families in the West?"

Blue headscarf??? Why not go all the way and ask for a jilbab? Alternative - send Nancy Fatimah Pelosi there, in exchange for Turney, so that at least, you have someone voluntarily in Islamic garb, instead of a hostage who felt compelled to wear it.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at April 4, 2007 2:19 PM

That little troll and his flea-bitten regime have Manson Family values. He would be literally ready to cast the first stone.

Posted by: MP at April 4, 2007 2:22 PM

"No ill will"?

Grow a spine Tony

Posted by: Elric66 at April 4, 2007 2:24 PM

"How can you justify seeing a mother away from her home, her children. Why don't they respect the values of families in the West?"

Hahahahahahahaaha...

Now that is funny....If I was one of the prisoners I would have been killed on the spot because no way could I hold in the laughter at that one. I see he has a sense of humor!

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at April 4, 2007 2:26 PM

And he [Ahmedinajad] will find that he's in the rotogravure.

Posted by: Hugh at April 4, 2007 2:27 PM

Remember the poem about the Nazi's ...well has the UK moved up the list? The best projection is next big attack comes from UK? who is the real enemy?

Posted by: akak at April 4, 2007 2:29 PM

"Ahmadinejad joked when he met one of them..."

Yeah, the guy's a freakin riot.

Posted by: Know Your Enemy at April 4, 2007 2:30 PM

Hopefully people read books about captives?

how's your dog leash

Posted by: akak at April 4, 2007 2:33 PM

Infidel Pride:

Fatimah Pelosi

LOL

OT: anyone else having trouble getting to LGF?

Posted by: Know Your Enemy at April 4, 2007 2:33 PM

Elric; Take it easy on the British. The Speaker of your (our) House of Representatives is giving us a Stateside datapoint.

Wearing a flowered head scarf and a black abaya robe, Pelosi visited the 8th-century Omayyad Mosque.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070404/D8O9NNK82.html

A San Francisco democrat in a headscarf. The Speaker of the House. To her credit she at least made the sign of the cross.

Posted by: pez at April 4, 2007 2:34 PM

Everything is going according to my perfect plan...

A.) Play nice and say sorry
B.) Get hostages back
C.) Take it all back and unleash hell

I don't have much hope for unleashing hell, but I at least hope that once the hostages are safe, the British govt puts Iran in its place.

Posted by: Mikhail Danilov at April 4, 2007 2:34 PM

"How can you justify seeing a mother away from her home, her children. Why don't they respect the values of families in the West?"

Hahahahahahahaaha...

Now that is funny....If I was one of the prisoners I would have been killed on the spot because no way could I hold in the laughter at that one. I see he has a sense of humor!

Posted by: greatcometof1577 "

notes were written by Iranians, but aside from that do you feel safe with the UK Commander in charge of your safety?

Posted by: akak at April 4, 2007 2:37 PM

Akak,

Fire your translator.

Posted by: Know Your Enemy at April 4, 2007 2:37 PM

Infidel Pride:

Fatimah Pelosi

LOL

OT: anyone else having trouble getting to LGF?

Posted by: Know Your Enemy

coincidence the "global war on terror" eliminated from use by admin officials?

Posted by: akak at April 4, 2007 2:40 PM

I hope they got some Easter eggs

Posted by: Al.R.O'Ackbar at April 4, 2007 2:41 PM

Fire your translator.

Posted by: Know Your Enemy

ok .....Karl Rove ....you're fired for dereliction of duty

Posted by: akak at April 4, 2007 2:44 PM

akak

"notes were written by Iranians"

I agree. I don't put the blame on the 15 brits who were taken captive. They were following orders. They have been trained (as have Americans) to behave this way when captured. I accept the notes were prepared by the Iranians etc. It is nothing more then propaganda. I am just saying no way in hell could I have kept a straight face knowing that they hang teeenage girls for all sorts of trival offenses in Iran and the little Fuhrer chimes in with...

"Why don't they respect the values of families in the West?"

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at April 4, 2007 2:45 PM

Elric; Take it easy on the British. The Speaker of your (our) House of Representatives is giving us a Stateside datapoint.

Posted by: pez at April 4, 2007 02:34 PM

She is a traitor IMHO. Get me on a Madam President Pelosi thread and you will see my disdain for her. :-)

Posted by: Elric66 at April 4, 2007 2:48 PM

Hrrrmmm,

I will exercise judgement once I hear what these 15 have to say when they are back. For all I know they could have had trained guns on them all the time and they knew it.

UK-wise, we dont come out of this episode well.
- our politicians were supine and exceptionally mild.

- the navy seemed reckless checking ships so
close to Iranian waters without military backup

- our captured personel cooperated with the Iranians more than necessary.

I am still wondering why we were checking ships so close to Iranian waters. Seems the height of stupidity particularly when Iranians have been detained inside Iraq already.

Posted by: UK Infidel Lover at April 4, 2007 2:50 PM

"I agree. I don't put the blame on the 15 brits who were taken captive. They were following orders. They have been trained (as have Americans) to behave this way when captured. I accept the notes were prepared by the Iranians etc. It is nothing more then propaganda. I am just saying no way in hell could I have kept a straight face knowing that they hang teeenage girls for all sorts of trival offenses in Iran and the little Fuhrer chimes in with...

"Why don't they respect the values of families in the West?"

Posted by: greatcometof1577"

how old are they? what do they know that is not BBC, footie and the local?

they are a symbol of England....unfortunately they failedin their job

Posted by: akak at April 4, 2007 2:53 PM

Hrrrmmm,

I will exercise judgement once I hear what these 15 have to say when they are back. For all I know they could have had trained guns on them all the time and they knew it.

Posted by: UK Infidel Lover at April 4, 2007 02:50 PM

If true, will the Brits take the issue up as a major violation of the Geneva Convention?

Posted by: Elric66 at April 4, 2007 2:55 PM

UK Infidel Lover

because its your fookin job.....no sign of Somali nukes here boss

Posted by: akak at April 4, 2007 2:55 PM

Yes America the big bad racist country. Just ask anyone from a 100+ countries who have moved here over the last three centuries. Name a country any country from any time period that had/has people from so many different places seeking, dreaming even giving up everything they have to come there and make that country their home.
(crickets chirping)

Who cares about “feeling safe” this isn’t romper room.

Posted by: tgusa at April 4, 2007 2:56 PM

Sorry for the O/T but you can see the picture of Pelosi on Drudge:

http://www.drudgereport.com/

Posted by: pez at April 4, 2007 3:00 PM

"To her credit she at least made the sign of the cross."

......she was saying...all you tall republicans and short republicans ...get off the grass....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at April 4, 2007 3:03 PM

"you can see the picture of Pelosi on Drudge"

I first noticed the photo of the 15 waving and smiling hostages.

I am a little suprised the sailors weren't dressed in Ahmedinajad's Members Only jackets.

-XRDC

Posted by: XRDC at April 4, 2007 3:22 PM

we've watched how this whole fiasco has played out.

Does anyone want to depend on the Brit Gov't to defend them in the coming War? I think not.

Soon after 9-11 the Queen (for the first time in the history of the Empire) sang the National Antham of a foreign (and former coloney) country for the first time in St. Paul's Cathedral. She understood, unlike her subjects, that the continued freedom of her dominion rested not with the Royal Navy or Royal Marines, but rather with the beligerent, uncouth colonists who rebeled against her forefather.

The abject surrender of Great Britain in the face of aggression has not gone unnoticed. Against our better judgment we will send ships of state (ships of war) to evacuate yours when the time comes in the not too distant future. Your children come first. Your young women of breeding stock come second. Your ruling elite will be left behind. Your children will be raised "free" here in the USA (unless you think Islam is the way to go).

Posted by: omvi at April 4, 2007 3:31 PM

Suits, headscarf, pink blouse? The Iranians kept the uniforms. It was a little touch of humiliation to put Seaman Turney in a headscarf.

I hope this quote is not true: "Thanks for releasing us. I wish you success.”

Now, what did the Brits give away?

Posted by: Pelayo at April 4, 2007 3:46 PM

Please let there be some behind the scenes discussions and the British held their ground. I can only hope that something was done or said that showed the Persians that they were on the verge of being on the receiving end of something terrible.

If wishes were horses beggars would ride.

Posted by: Pelayo at April 4, 2007 3:50 PM

Why would Muslims believe anyone rose from the dead when they worship death? It is their preference.

Posted by: Foehammer at April 4, 2007 3:52 PM

First, Hezbollah's PR victory against the Israelies. Their brilliantly stage managed suffering of the innocent routine took all the gullible Western media in - from which the public opinion against Israel still is at an historical high.

Now Ahmedinejad's stage managed coup, once again brilliantly executed has the British government look distictly amateurish in its dealing with the media.

have come along leaps and bounds in their PR "savviness". They know that the Western media is on their side, all they have to do is appear magnanimous, play the David against the Goliaths of Israel, the US and UK. Keep provoking these countries to a stage where any retaliation from these countries will be seen as an attack on innocent muslims. Play Russia, China and France like a fiddle in the UN Security Council.

Make no mistake, muslims are not just good at blowing themselves up and flying planes into buildings but are getting even better at winning the hearts and minds of the stupid Westener.

iran and muslims generally have come out of this saga greatly emboldened.

Posted by: Hermit at April 4, 2007 3:55 PM

"Mr Ahmadinejad said he had pardoned them as an Easter present for the British people and to mark the birthday of the Prophet Mohammed."

While it may appear to gullible pacifists in the media that he is making a magnanimous gesture of goodwill, that gesture certainly must have been prompted by either pressure from the rest of the Islamic world (to keep the wheel greased on the Palestinian statehood farce)or by incentives granted by the Brits and the US.

My guess, though, is that he is merely playing games to distract us from what's up his sleeve.

And, the Arab Summit leaders think that when Palestine is established, that Jerusalem as the capital of the ISLAMIC WORLD will be attained in the near future. That is the only carrot on a stick the Islamofascists are willing to follow to attain.

Posted by: BurkasforHitlery at April 4, 2007 4:07 PM

Just as appropriate here:

I hope these sailors are returned safely to their homes -- so, that's good news for which we should all be grateful.

However, these sailors were kidnapped in the process of doing their jobs and forced to confess to crimes they did not commit!

The ape made some kind of reference to how the West has lost it's sense of values by allowing women to serve in combat positions.

This is the same ape that has said that he intends to wipe Israel off the map as well as the US; he is the same ape that has threatened Western Europe with ICBM's.

What kind of "values" could this monster understand?

So, here you have a victory for Iran. The little ape-freak has scored a major diplomatic coup in an incident that he hatched up and implemented.

If the West attacks Iran militarily now, we lose. If we don't attack, we lose.

At least on the diplomatic front, the ape has outwitted the West, and everyone with any objective sense knows it -- especially in the arab world.

Just what else was given up to procure the release of these sailors, will come to light eventually -- I suspect, it will be damning!

Give the little monkey credit when credit is due as in this unfortunate sham.

But don't turn your back; the worst IS yet to come especially since this freak has come out as a more powerful figure than when this all started.

Posted by: witness at April 4, 2007 4:12 PM

One of them was heard to say to him: "Thanks for releasing us. I wish you success.”

That is beyond disturbing if true. I've given these soldiers the benefit of the doubt, because we have no idea yet what they might have undergone to have made certain statements on video, but wishing this maniac "success" is ridiculous.

Posted by: staff_of_magius at April 4, 2007 4:14 PM

"My guess, though, is that he is merely playing games to distract us from what's up his sleeve."

threat inversion 101 & he is merely a man

Posted by: akak at April 4, 2007 4:16 PM

The president of iran is a hero now to his countrymen, that is what the iranian media propaganda want the people to believe. He is anything but a hero.

Posted by: callmeinfidel at April 4, 2007 4:18 PM

staff_of_magius

written by Iranians...check the language

Posted by: akak at April 4, 2007 4:18 PM

Suits, headscarf, pink blouse? The Iranians kept the uniforms. It was a little touch of humiliation to put Seaman Turney in a headscarf.

I hope this quote is not true: "Thanks for releasing us. I wish you success.”

Now, what did the Brits give away?

Posted by: Pelayo

Am I the only one that noticed the MSM referred to her as "Turkey" now I now the MSM has spell check, but c'mon it's Easter!

Posted by: akak at April 4, 2007 4:22 PM

That was a good point about taking the uniforms Pelayo. I wonder where they are being displayed. Modern day scalps.

Posted by: pez at April 4, 2007 4:38 PM

"A bizarre end indeed".-Robert

This regime began with a hostage crisis and it will end with a hostage crisis.

Posted by: Frank at April 4, 2007 4:46 PM

Lesson learned:

Socialist Blair shows appeasement wins hostages when........

Socialist Nancy Pelosi shows up in Syria giving creedence to terrorist Assad.......

All meant to humiliate George Bush to show the world that "talking" gets things done and bombing terrorists doesn't.

Two cheers for pawns Pelosi and Blair in thinking they won the match, but have only set the stage where nuclear bombs will now show up in the west.

Posted by: Lame Cherry at April 4, 2007 4:47 PM

"A bizarre end indeed".-Robert

the most bizarre is some think the end

Posted by: akak at April 4, 2007 5:00 PM

You know what, western imperialism is increasing looking to have been the right policy for the west. That policy was essentially kick their @ss and take the natural resources you need which they don't have the technological knowledge to know how to use properly anyway, don't allow immigration in, and don't give away technological know-how. The result was prosperous western economies, and no significant military threat from non-western countries. That policy has been replaced by pay them for their natural resources, provide them with technological know-how, and allow immigration into the west. The result is are destabilizing groups of peoples in the west who don't respect western society, in addition to rising military threats from abroad.

Was western imperialism "immoral"? Maybe. But then, when have states in the history of the world ever tried to make "moral" foreign policies vis a vis their neighbors, as opposed to pursuing state self-interests? Western imperialism worked and it was hell of a lot more moral then what the Iranians and their allies are planning for us. I think the west needs to move back in that direction in terms of foreign policy in response to increased threats from abroad.

But the problem is that over the past century, the west has done a much better job in fighting among itself then allying together against non-western threats. There were two big intra-western conflicts in the past century (WWI/WWII and the Cold War (Russia is part of the west when looking at the big picture, Islam and the far-eastern cultures)) that each left western civilization as whole weakened when compared to the rest of the world. I think the fate of western civilization to a large extent depends on the extent to which the US, EU, and Russia are willing to work together to confront non-western threats, especially from Islam, as opposed to trying to use non-western threats to weaken their western rivals, a policy through which ultimately every western country would lose.

Posted by: godfreyofbouillon at April 4, 2007 5:03 PM

after seeing pelosi in a scarf, I wish they had made her wear the burka....after all,...surrender to the Muslims and the women will have to wear the Burka...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at April 4, 2007 5:04 PM

Bolton" full steam ahead for Iran"

Posted by: akak at April 4, 2007 5:06 PM

This is how to deal with them, even when they are stronger:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevan_Sindjelic

Posted by: LazarOfSerbia at April 4, 2007 5:15 PM

Russia isn't really a western country in the big scheme of things. No history of rule of law. Russia has had autocratic governments throughout its history. The culture of Russia is not Western, although there are individual Russians with a Western point of view.

I do agree that countries like Russia and China will play a key role in the events to come, but I do not think our success will ultimately depend on them.

We are our worst enemy. If the U.S. could unite with itself---Jihad over. No need for cooperation from Russia. Of course, 20% of the U.S. hardcore useless idiots, and an additional 30% have no realistic view of the world.

Hell, if the Western world were willing to say, Australia and Poland, we give you free rein to solve this problem---Jihad would be over.

We need to give ourselves permission to be violent now to prevent the need for catastrophic violence later.

Posted by: JSobieski at April 4, 2007 5:37 PM

LazarOfSerbia

I agree. Serbs know best of all Europeans how to deal with the Turks. If only the rest of Europe would listen and drop the pretentions.

Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 4, 2007 5:39 PM

All meant to humiliate George Bush to show the world that "talking" gets things done and bombing terrorists doesn't.

Two cheers for pawns Pelosi and Blair in thinking they won the match, but have only set the stage where nuclear bombs will now show up in the west.

Posted by: Lame Cherry

Let's not go overboard here. Bush doesn't bomb terrorists. He invenmted the word "religion of peace". His relationship with the SOWdis is legend. He gave 16000 visas for SOWdi "students" just recently.

Open borders.. family values don't stop at the Rio Grande... those are the Bush 'legacy'.. the sellout of the west.

Politicans're playing a double game with us all while they are making loads of money. I don't trust a single on of 'em.

Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 4, 2007 5:47 PM

Lame Cherry

"All meant to humiliate George Bush"

George don't need help to accomplish that...

I give you exhibt number 1:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/06/images/20030603-1_jordan-p30712-28-515h.jpg

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at April 4, 2007 6:10 PM

Pragmatically, there wasn't much upside to keeping the Brits any longer. They were low value acquisitions, e.g., they did not provide Iran with much intel. Their propaganda usefulness was limited to only those who share their worldview. It did not cause the US to release the General who "disappeared" in Turkey a couple of weeks ago (the US immediately said an "exchange" was off the table.) And, the act of kidnapping them and how they were publically used tended to galvanize other European powers to support the Brits and maybe the US.

Most importantly, it was a point being raised by Condi and Pelosi with Arab leaders, i.e., their release. The Iranians don't want a conversation about the Brits with the Arabs. The Iranians want to talk about their plan for a mutual defence pact, i.e., if any member of the pact is attacked, then all are attacked, when they meet with Arab leaders. So far, Egypt and Saudi Arabia are buying into the Iranian argument that the US has screwed up the middle east, that Israel is going to attack soon, and that it is time for the Persians and Arabs to take control of their own destiny. Needless to say, if they sign on to a mutual defense pact, it may take an attack on Iran off the table. The Iranians are pressing for quick signage.

Posted by: member_right_wing_conspiracy at April 4, 2007 6:10 PM

British Prime Minister Tony Blair said Britain bore the Iranian people "no ill will"

Well perhaps Blair should arrange to go to Iran for a holiday.

Posted by: UK Infidel Lover at April 4, 2007 6:16 PM

UK Infidel is right when his says we should wait to see what the hostages have to say for themselves once they are safely out of Iran.
however, i think they will be expected to show evidence of some pretty serious mistreatment or intimidation to justify the behaviour we have been shown on camera.
i know that i said that we in the uk would have to suck up the humiliation to get these guys back, but i just wish that it felt like it was worth it. right now it just feels like shame.
worse, we have been made to look weak, and weakness invites attack.

Posted by: M Al-Content at April 4, 2007 6:24 PM

member_right_wing_conspiracy:
Most importantly, it was a point being raised by Condi and Pelosi with Arab leaders, i.e., their release. The Iranians don't want a conversation about the Brits with the Arabs. The Iranians want to talk about their plan for a mutual defence pact, i.e., if any member of the pact is attacked, then all are attacked, when they meet with Arab leaders. So far, Egypt and Saudi Arabia are buying into the Iranian argument that the US has screwed up the middle east, that Israel is going to attack soon, and that it is time for the Persians and Arabs to take control of their own destiny. Needless to say, if they sign on to a mutual defense pact, it may take an attack on Iran off the table. The Iranians are pressing for quick signage.

Your analysis is wrong.

You do realise that Saudi Arabia and Iran hate each others guts? About the only thing they see eye-to-eye on is the destruction of Israel and the elimiantions of the West from the Middle East.

Saudi Arabia and other Sunni countries wish to destroy the expansion of Shia Islam in the Middle East. Saudi Arabia has already said that if the USA & UK pull out, they will support the minority Sunni in Iraq.

What is going in Iraq right now is a proxy war between Saudi Arabia & Iran. We should leave, right now and let them get on with it. Islam then weakens.

Saudi Arabia is also busy chucking large amounts of money into the West to support Mosque building, Islamic bookshops, Islamic Centres.
They would be doing less of this if money was needed to support a front-line war.

Right now, USA & UK taxpayers are busy supporting Iraq troops. Just think, this money could go on more useful things within our own countries: hospitals, education, police, roads.
The Saudis are very happy it is USA money that supports a buffer zone in Iraq between Sunni & Shia and not their own money being spent. Naturally they want the troops to stay.

Posted by: UK Infidel Lover at April 4, 2007 6:28 PM

“The abject surrender of Great Britain in the face of aggression has not gone unnoticed. Against our better judgment we will send ships of state (ships of war) to evacuate yours when the time comes in the not too distant future. Your children come first. Your young women of breeding stock come second. Your ruling elite will be left behind. Your children will be raised "free" here in the USA (unless you think Islam is the way to go).”

Oh, I shouldn’t bother saving us, thanks. We’re not worth it, are we?

“Women of breeding stock” to raise children for the master race? Now where have I heard that idea before?

(And they wonder why there’s anti-Americanism in Britain!)

Posted by: JFGR at April 4, 2007 6:28 PM

“what do they [the abducted British sailors] know that is not BBC, footie and the local?”

And what gives you telepathetic knowledge of what they think, as opposed to words put in their mooth by the Iranians?

Posted by: JFGR at April 4, 2007 6:31 PM

Only a militant Muslim could steal your wallet and, when caught, give it back to you as a "gift".

Sounds like the pedophile "prophet"'s own modus operandi to the hilt.

Plunder, lie, deceive and then smile.

Posted by: profitsbeard at April 4, 2007 6:36 PM

JSobieski:
Russia isn't really a western country in the big scheme of things.... We need to give ourselves permission to be violent now to prevent the need for catastrophic violence later.

100% agree with what you say.
Spot on, completely.

But you ought to know a few things that Russia (adding to your knowledge, not disagreeing):

i) They have massive health problems. Average Russian man lives to 59. That is due to alcoholism, poor health care, Russian yourth injecting themselves with drugs
ii) They are losing 750,000 people a year. They are about 141 million but projected to less than 100 million in 20 years time. Low birth rates in Russia. Putin addressed this in last years State-of-the-Union address (they have one too).
iii) I expect Russia to make overtures to ethnic Russians living in the 5 Stans in Central Asia to move back to the motherland to make up numbers.
iv) But also this - which shows that they are aware of the Muslim problem:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6515293.stm

Expect more laws to be passed in Russia over time favouring Russians.

It is basically: "Russia for the Russians"

Posted by: UK Infidel Lover at April 4, 2007 7:08 PM

Looks like Borat Achtung got what he wanted: a lot of attention and a feeling of self-importance. As I've always maintained, Islam is a power ideology and has its greatest appeal to those who feel inferior.
What's particularly galling is to watch my 401k gyrate to the antics of some nebbish wacko.
Are we ever going to have energy independence?

Posted by: jewdog at April 4, 2007 7:30 PM

I don't know people, but i'm starting to get this feeling that this could have been staged. I've seen things that make me say hhuummmmm!!!!!!

Posted by: OLD SARGE at April 4, 2007 7:46 PM

I really don't care if the brits where in their waters, these muslims where in our buildings on 9/11. Shit happens!!!!!!

Posted by: OLD SARGE at April 4, 2007 7:49 PM

jsobieski writes: "I do agree that countries like Russia and China will play a key role in the events to come, but I do not think our success will ultimately depend on them."

I think you left out a big one--India. With nukes and a hostile muslim native population as well as all their neighbors, India may be very helpful indeed.

"We are our worst enemy. If the U.S. could unite with itself---Jihad over. No need for cooperation from Russia. Of course, 20% of the U.S. hardcore useless idiots, and an additional 30% have no realistic view of the world."

I think your numbers may be a bit low. Approx 16 -20% of us are 'truthers'--they believe (like Rosie the Mouth) that the US guvmint was behind the 9/11 attacks. And I think the figure is upwards of 50% that are currently clueless. Don't blame the media for the folks' credulity--blame the Gov schools that have dumbed us down.

Posted by: turn at April 4, 2007 8:17 PM

Great Comet - I like the one of "W" holdin' hands with his Saudi buddy even better.

Posted by: MP at April 4, 2007 8:28 PM

My liberal news anchor up here in Canada tried telling me that Blair's kindness and passive approach to handling this situation paid off.

Somehow, I don't think that was true. Behind the scenes, something was obviously said. And those destroyers in the Gulf were probably getting just a little too close for Iran's liking.

They knew they were screwed, and I can imagine that they figured out that the Brits and Americans had an increasingly short fuse on this issue. Mind you, if this was Thatcher, the Iranians would have gotten the message in a day or two.

Posted by: NateTheOkay at April 4, 2007 8:35 PM

For almost a century Australians, New Zealanders, Canadians, Americans and Britons have stood shoulder to shoulder in the face of formidable foes. We have not always agreed, but despite our familial squabbling, our ranks stood steadfast in defense of our common liberty. Each nation brings its own unique gift. May it remain so. Quis Separabit!

Posted by: MP at April 4, 2007 9:01 PM

MP,

I worry the link between England and the US will slowly ebb as Islam takes it over. How can we trust them when they choose to flee and not fight? They have already lost large areas of major cities with no end in sight.

Posted by: Ronin at April 4, 2007 9:20 PM

Ronin, the ebb began long ago. When people get to comfortable in their lives and decided the goverment can fix all their ills, and the press echos the same. The shoe will drop again, this time alot more people will die. Most of the world hates America, why because we stand for freedom. But given the chance the world would move here in a heartbeat.But since they cant its easier to hate America and Americans.

Posted by: AMartinez at April 4, 2007 9:32 PM

dear mr spencer

please can you delete the people that are denigrating british service personnel on this site. it is only harming the war on terror with americans calling british troops "p*ssies" and putting down the british population in general.

this really a disgrace to see this on jihad watch when we should all be helping one another.

thank you

sincerely

leon

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at April 4, 2007 9:34 PM

JSobieski:
Russia isn't really a western country in the big scheme of things.... We need to give ourselves permission to be violent now to prevent the need for catastrophic violence later.

In my opinion, it is essentially - to me the key litmus test is immigration, i.e. if you accept immigrants from a certain country into your country, does the second generation fully assimilate into western society. If you look to the historical experience with Russian and Ukranian immigrants in US and Canada, the second generation fully assimilates into western society.

Either Russia controls Central Asia, or the muslims, it should be clear which is in the interests of the west...

Posted by: godfreyofbouillon at April 4, 2007 9:34 PM

Amartinez,
I understand the hatred of America is based partially on jealousy and I realize England has many patriots remaining. My concern is they are declining in population and uncontrolled immigration will not allow them replace their numbers. We could lose England as an ally without a shot being fired. I am glad they got their troops back (or will) but this will be considered a victory only by liberals who will demand that all conflicts be solved “peacefully” meaning buy them off.

Posted by: Ronin at April 4, 2007 9:45 PM

MP said "That little troll and his flea-bitten regime have Manson Family values."

Good one, Manson Family Values! hahaha

But most on this site still are calling this guy an Iranian. We are not at war with Iran. We are at war with the Islamites, regardless of where they are from, it is always the Islamites that cause the trouble. We here in the west need to stop thinking of this as having borders.
I have a friend here in the US and he is Iranian, but not an Islamite, and he is a successful guy, and a devoted father. He told me that it makes him feel very strange when the news sites the Iranians as the culprits, when they well know it is the Islams. We truly need to stop calling it the war in Iraq-Iran-Afghanistan-Somalia, and change that to 'The War with Islam'.

Posted by: QuadoLama at April 4, 2007 9:59 PM

A good line from another discussion:

“I went all the way to Iran and all I got was this lousy suit.”

Posted by: pez at April 4, 2007 10:18 PM

Leon--

Comments are unmoderated, but if problematic ones are brought to our attention, we take a look, and delete as necessary (I've already deleted one this evening). I'll look over recent comments, and any with the word you mentioned will certainly go away.

I would also suggest that posters keep in mind how difficult the past 13 days have been for our British readers, and avoid tarring them and their armed forces en masse with the same brush as members of their government with whom we disagree.

For that matter, there but for the grace of (your deity here) go American forces, and while frank criticism is necessary and proper all around, it's well worth keeping the "golden rule" in mind-- and that we're all in this together.

Marisol Seibold
Jihad Watch News Editor

Posted by: MarisolJW at April 4, 2007 10:30 PM

Freed British sailors to fly home in time for Easter

I suggest they use an airplane, it will be much easier.

Posted by: Pelayo at April 4, 2007 10:35 PM

Leon, In our two countries where there is no conscription, we (at least I do) think of our servicemen and women as special people. I like to think of them as professional, motivated, and posessing courage that we mere mortals do not have. It is disheartening to realize that they just might be as weak as we are.

Posted by: Pelayo at April 4, 2007 10:46 PM

pelayo

you do not know what they went through. they are only human not super human robots! just be glad that you have the best of britain behind your guys. i give them my whole support not the british government whom let them down and confused them.

mariso thanks for your support of our armed forces, we Brits really do love our freedom and the west, hence the fact that we volunteer so readily to defend our ways!

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at April 4, 2007 10:55 PM

Notice the suits had no ties? Is that because silk is not allowed in islam for men?

Posted by: Borg at April 4, 2007 11:02 PM

MP

I have seen them all. The holding hands one is good but the kissing one is even better. The only reason I like the one I linked to is what the hell are they laughing about?

Granted that picture was from 2003 but it illustrates how stupid our leaders are. Why does anyone suspect we will handle the Iranians with these people in charge?

BTW just to be fair it appears the Saudis have many girl friends.....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/170000/images/_172076_copy_of_blair_and_crown_prince300.jpg

At least Blair had enough sense not to get himself photographed making out with his boyfriend.

http://www.think-israel.org/may05pix/bush.abdullah.jpg

Get a room....

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at April 4, 2007 11:30 PM

Notice how those suits that the British sailor wore in front of the camera looked strangely like President Ahmedinejad's casual attire.

It was a strange to see the sailors stripped of their military uniforms and dressed up like President Ahmedinejad.

I don't know what is worse:
1) Watching British sailors acting giddy and awe struck around President Ahmedinejad, their captor
or
2) Seeing these young British soliders looking like President Ahmedinejad.

Posted by: Johnathan at April 4, 2007 11:47 PM

No family values.... NO FAMILY VALUES?! You mean that we should be doing what Iran does to its children-showing videos like this-instilling in them the glorious virtues of jihad and martyrdom, preparing them to commit suicide and murder in the name of Allah... sounds like family values to me.

Posted by: majorleagueinfidel at April 4, 2007 11:56 PM

So we prayed to our Risen Lord in this Holy Week that our Servicemen and Servicewoman would be freed for Easter and He answered our prayers. The Iranian government could not in the face of our prayers to the one true God and the Risen Christ and the Holy Ghost do anything other than free those whom they kidnapped and subjected to piracy on the high seas do anything other than free them.

This superb admission of guilt and the Iranian Government's submission to the will of the one true Triune God this Eastertide is all the proof that we need that we will ultimately triumph against their evil - even in Tehran the one true God can make His voice heard. Confronted with the reality of Easter and in the face of Christ's Sacrifice for all mankind for alltimes what else could they possibly do other than free those whom they kidnapped and in so doing admit their own guilt and culpability in this one of the most heinous of crimes - kidnapping on the high seas.

The freeing by the illegal Iranian Government of our Servicemen and Servicewoman with no conditions and as a 'gift' is plain evidence of the workings of our prayers and of the Holy Ghost. Christ triumphed! They lost! What more do we need to know?

If Christ's Word can be heard in Tehran in such a spectacular fashion then think what we can accomplish. They really, really lost everything in the face of our prayers this Eastertide. How can we lose? This is the sign! Christ is, undeniably, with us. This is a wonderful victory!

Posted by: Jonathan Ralbrooke at April 4, 2007 11:59 PM

Saudi Arabia is also busy chucking large amounts of money into the West to support Mosque building, Islamic bookshops, Islamic Centres.
They would be doing less of this if money was needed to support a front-line war.

100% AGREED!!!!!

I hope Tom Tancredo runs against Hitlery or the Mahometan Hussein Obamination!!

THIS IS WHERE WESTERN CIVILIZATION MAKES ITS STAND!!

We need a CRUSADE at the ballotbox!!

My Apologies to Hugh who complained about [excessive] use of CAPS recently :-)

Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 5, 2007 12:11 AM

I am extremely pleased that the sailors have been released.
I also hope they receive ongoing counselling after their 2 weeks of schmoozing by the nasty Iranian regime, who would obviously like to see converts to islam from amongst them.

My third hope is that Blair grows a set of gonads because it seems that these young people were released, not because of but in spite of Blair and his grovelling excuse for a government.

I never thought I'd be embarrassed about admitting to being British but we really need a government that is strong and has the guts to insist.....and not apologise for simply being.

Posted by: marilyn at April 5, 2007 12:28 AM

Guys.. they.. you.. were bashing the Karautz.. i mean the Germans for being Dhimmis a few days ago and now it's "The Brits" again. And always the French.. and notably the Spanish who were fooled by their government to "vote dhimmi" by a lying "conservative" government which blamed the Madrid train bombings on ETA..

We Jihadwatchers ought to begin to understand ourselves as trans-national European/American/Australian Patriots.

yes, we USED to be at each others' throats for good reason - yet we are continuing for FAR TOO LONG with this nonsense!

If we don't finally begin to stand together we don't stand a chance.

Each and every one of our Nations are faced with the ENEMY WITHIN!

There are Germans in great numbers who are ENEMIES of Germany - we DON'T NEED you Burts to hate us. We do just fine HATING OURSELVES!!

Same for you and America!

I will try to NEVER bash the other Western Nations because it is simply counter my own interests.

I support with every breath in me the RIGHTS of the ENGLISH, the Scots and the Irish and the Welsh to live AS YOU SEE fit, goddammit!!

Most of Germany wants to British sailors freed and returned to England safe from harm.

The MSM in all our lands continue to agitate us against one another.

Let us not be divided any longer.

This may well be our last stand!!

If England or any other of our HOLY EUROPEAN and other Western Lands are threatened by islam and I am needed to fight.. I pledge to contribute my [as of now negligible] fightin skills to the Struggle.

We can no longer afford to dwell in National antagonisms, my Brothers and Sisters!

The Left have long gone international!!!

AND SO MUST WE!!!

Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 5, 2007 12:32 AM

Let us remember Jan Sobieski.. the Polish Hero who rallied an army of Poles and Germans and Austrians to help fight off the Turks at the Gates of Vienna!!

Let noone ever again make fun of Polish War Heroes like they often tell these jokes here in the USA. I've heard them all. Recently I've rebutted them with Jan Sobieski. The Pope ought to make HIM a SAINT as far as I am concerned!

The deluded brain-dead LEFT in our Lands is our common enemy now!

We are all facing the FIGHT FOR OUR VERY LIVES and for OUR CULTURES!!

We no longer have the luxury of in-fighting!!

I want to hear no more bashing of PATRIOTS!!

WE ALL ARE THE RESISTANCE NOW!!!

Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 5, 2007 12:40 AM

I for one feel way more kinship with my Jihadwatch Brethren than with German dhimmi traitors!!!

The jihad is world-wide, my friends..

Let us feel one anothers' pain when bad news comes from one of our countires... but let us never again stand divided!

Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 5, 2007 12:43 AM

UK Infidel Lover:

My responses are below:

You do realise that Saudi Arabia and Iran hate each others guts? About the only thing they see eye-to-eye on is the destruction of Israel and the elimiantions of the West from the Middle East.

I don't think they hate each others guts. I think they have different national interests.

A common defense against Israel and the removal of the US from their "sandbox" is the Iranian sell point for this agreement. The powers over there do not want to be remade into our image, i.e., a democratic, capistalist society with freedom of religion. They want the meddling US out of the area. The state (monarchs, supreme ayatollahs) want to keep their power. The localized religious leaders, i.e., the imams, don't want democracy and freedom of religion, because it dilutes their power, etc.

The Saudi Arabians and Iranians may have different state and personal interests but they can agree that the US has upset the regional stability and can find mutual ground for resolving this situation on their own without the US. That's the point of the recent Arab summit which Persian Iran was invited to attend. For example, Iraq is never going to be complete country again. Everyone knows that. Unlike the oil rich Saudi's, Iran doesn't have the same amount of proven reserves. And, that oil is hard to get to because of the mountainous terrain. However, Southern Iraq (who are Shia like the Iran) is awash in oil. That area is flat and easy to get drilling equipment to. The Arab nations could use this as a carrot. This would sell well with the pragmatic factions in Iran - not the radical factions like Ahmadinejab and his secretary of defense who have personal interests in setting the stage for the Mahdi.

Saudi Arabia and other Sunni countries wish to destroy the expansion of Shia Islam in the Middle East. Saudi Arabia has already said that if the USA & UK pull out, they will support the minority Sunni in Iraq.

Saudia Arabia is militarily weak compared to Iran. The Saudi's understand their dependence on the US. The Saudi's also understand that the US depends on them for oil. So, the Saudi's know how to play the US, i.e., a frightening doomsday scenario, to give them more leverage (the US is always behind them) when talking to Iran when charting a mutually satsifactory arrangement.

What is going in Iraq right now is a proxy war between Saudi Arabia & Iran. We should leave, right now and let them get on with it. Islam then weakens.

It's a multi-dimensional war involving many players with many different interests, e.g., Arab-Sunni Al Quaeda with some support from Saudi Arabian principals and Persian-Shia Iran working cooperatively with Shia-controlled Syria where the majority of people are Sunni's in Syria.

Islam won't weaken. All a pull out will accomplish will be to throw one faction at another and temporarily focus them on fighting each other for a while (infighting is one of the reasons we haven't been attacked yet.) Eventually, a charismatic, brutal leader will emerge to unite them into a common purpose. Unfortunately, the Christians who are unafraid of death because they have hope after death like the Muslims do no longer rule the West. The Templars never retreated in battle because they had hope of spending eternity with God. Our secular humanist leaders are fearful men because death is final for them. Our secular humanist leadership will retreat and eventually submit to Islam as do all men without faith when confronted by someone who has strength of faith. Then, the followers of Christ will be truly persecuted as is our fate.

Posted by: member_right_wing_conspiracy at April 5, 2007 2:10 AM

I too am a member of the conspiracy. Fair analysis. Poor conclusion.

Those who cannot build shacks may be able to tear down cathedrals. But they still can't build a shack.

There are between 30 and 60 million people who can build cathedrals, have proven organizational skills, and can fire machine guns with a relative degree of accuracy. 30 to 60 million.

Sleep well. Read Isaiah.

Posted by: pez at April 5, 2007 2:53 AM

This is really @#$&% depressing…
This is almost like a mailman knocking on the door while you’re with a loved one in the bedroom; end up signing for the package and deciding to postpone the bedroom till later…

Posted by: Nordic Freedom at April 5, 2007 3:27 AM

Iran's concilliatory act, whether prompted by a prisoner exchange or an act of conscience is a rare and welcome gesture from a government that seems to oppose the US and UK on all matters.

The slightest glimmer of rapprochement must be encouraged, even nutured for it provides an avenue of hope that the blood of our sons and daughters might be preserved.

Circumstances are unlikely to allow a normalizing of relations with Iran, however.
* Iran will not abide the existence of the state of Israel
* Iran's oil revenues increase when peace is threatened.
* Iran pursues nuclear power and probably nuclear weapons
* The US cannot abide a strong totalitarian anti-semitic regime
* The US must defend its cities from Jihadi fanatics.

These conflicting interests will determine our collective future.

Posted by: n1cholson at April 5, 2007 4:15 AM

“How can we trust them [the British] when they choose to flee and not fight?”

As they are not fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, presumably.

Posted by: JFGR at April 5, 2007 5:22 AM

"For that matter, there but for the grace of (your deity here) go American forces, and while frank criticism is necessary and proper all around, it's well worth keeping the "golden rule" in mind-- and that we're all in this together.

Marisol Seibold
Jihad Watch News Editor"

Thank you, Marisol. It was time that you said this. The level of anti-Britishness (and anti-Europeanism) has been increasing enormously over the past few months, and in my opinion is seriously jeopardizing the reputation of Jihad Watch. And that can only give comfort to our enemies, in the Islamic world and in Western dhimmidom and the Western media. The danger in our own countries is that we'll ALL be written off as "right-wing extremists".

Posted by: JFGR at April 5, 2007 5:32 AM

Their message is: "We are masters! We can capture your soldiers and kill or release them as we like. We are even masters of your Easter and since it is prophet Muhammad's birthday, we'll let them go."

This is just a polite way to say "Allahu Akhbar".

And don't give them that chance next time...

About anti-whateverism let me tell you something - US, UK, Germany, France, Italy, Russia and other non-muslim countries are on the same side of this war. Don't you guys ever forget that. It is dhimmis against muslims.

Posted by: LazarOfSerbia at April 5, 2007 6:03 AM

Assalamau Laikum all,

This is excellent news. It is almost as I predicted....Islam is so tolerant. Please note his very valis statement of not keeping mothers away from their childrens.

The genorocity of the Iranian administration has almost been beyond words in this case...a word of thanks from you peoples would not go amiss.

I am surprised that you want the soldiers back home....why aren't they reporting for duty back in Iraq (all except for Faye perhaps...she needs to quit smoking and get back to her immediate family...I also wonder how she likes wearing scarves....it will be interesting to see if she continues to wear them when back in the UK).

Incidentially ...how do you register for little green footballs...I have tried ..and they say they accept no more registrations....I mean to reject Naseem ...well it takes my breath away.

Posted by: Naseem at April 5, 2007 6:42 AM

UNITED WE STAND : DIVIDED WE FALL TO EAGERLY AWAITING ISLAMISTS.
It is easy to be an 'armchair' strategist,warrior or diplomat.A bloody sight more difficult when it's YOUR LIFE on the line...
Don't all of us want to wake up tomorrow & feel the sun on our face,hear birds chirping & rejoice
we are ALIVE?Not to mention seeing faces of loved
ones,rapt expressions of children round a christmas tree,beautiful music,nights of wine,passion & chocolate valentines-everything more or less which we Non Moslems take for granted-and would be taken away from us under Sharia Law. How can we blame & impugn the honour of 15 Brits because they wanted to LIVE??
Have we known what it's like to be surrounded by
heavily armed thugs,forced into their vessel at gunpoint-wasn't so long ago a Canadian Journalist
was tortured to death by same Islamic Bunch of Mad Mullahs.
So let's stop Brit Bashing & rejoice the 15 are
FREE. After all, it is only Moslems who prefer
DEATH to LIFE so they can meet their Demon Allah
God...

Posted by: Morgane at April 5, 2007 6:53 AM

Naseem

LGF has registration closed most of the time. It's opened just occasionally. You just have to keep visiting there and checking if it's open - one day you'll catch it open and you can register.

It took me months of waiting and visiting several times a day before I caught it open. I don't think you'll like LGF very much though - people there are unlikely to be as nice to you as they are here and at DW (these things are all relative).

Posted by: Sir Henry Morgan at April 5, 2007 7:27 AM

So there are 15 more brainwashed dhimmis in the UK.

Posted by: hemoglobin at April 5, 2007 7:30 AM

"I mean to reject Naseem" -posted by Naseem

When did you start referring to yourself in third person?

-XRDC

Posted by: XRDC at April 5, 2007 7:54 AM

"all I got was this lousy suit" -posted by pez

That was Ahmedinajad's way of saying he was on them like a 'cheap suit'.

-XRDC

Posted by: XRDC at April 5, 2007 7:57 AM

Naseem

LGF has registration closed most of the time. It's opened just occasionally. You just have to keep visiting there and checking if it's open - one day you'll catch it open and you can register.

It took me months of waiting and visiting several times a day before I caught it open. I don't think you'll like LGF very much though - people there are unlikely to be as nice to you as they are here and at DW (these things are all relative).

Posted by: Sir Henry Morgan at April 5, 2007 07:27 AM

Naseem might be just what LGF needs to wake them up.

Posted by: Elric66 at April 5, 2007 8:06 AM

OK, it's true...I've never met a conspiracy theory I didn't like BUT, I can't help feel like this was just too, too orchestrated-right down to the 'apparent' benovelence and tolerance for the Christian holiday...some people are probably thinking, "Hey, these people aren't so bad........"

Posted by: sheiknbake4pork at April 5, 2007 8:20 AM

Only a militant Muslim could steal your wallet and, when caught, give it back to you as a "gift".

posted above

Nonsense, this only comes as a surprise if you have never haggled with a rug dealer. Assignment for posters watch "Casablanca" again.

They kept the uniforms. Someone equated this to a scalp as a trophy, more likely they will be used to make phony uniforms to attack troops by fooling them into complacency with a fellow coalition members uniform in order to get close.

If you go to the Daily Mail you will find a link where Blair states that he links attacks on British troops in Iraq to Iran.
I now we are all disappointed that our governments aren't able to just make this problem of Islam go away. But be honest with yourself, it would not be easy to walk a mile in their shoes if we had to.

Heed the calls for peace and good will amongst ourselves. Frightened people do and say ridiculous things. We MUST stick together.

Remember that the American Embassy hostages identified the 'Thug in charge' as one of their captors and torturers.

Posted by: auntbea at April 5, 2007 9:01 AM

It is dhimmis against muslims.

Posted by: LazarOfSerbia

Small correction. It's anti-dhimmis vs. dhims and mos.

Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 5, 2007 9:02 AM

"They kept the uniforms. Someone equated this to a scalp as a trophy, more likely they will be used to make phony uniforms to attack troops by fooling them into complacency with a fellow coalition members uniform in order to get close."

The uniforms are as authentic as they come but they may intend to use the uniforms for IRGC training effigies.

-XRDC

Posted by: XRDC at April 5, 2007 12:28 PM

Breaking news reported from Al Jerkzeera

The Council on British-Islamic Relations London Chapter is filing a lawsuit on behalf of the 15 UK sailors and marines known as the "floating infidels" against the Islamic Republic of Iran, the Navy of the Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution and certain Ali Doe's responsible for the abduction of the UK personnel. The infidels are seeking unspecified damages from IRI, NAGIR and the Ali Does for what they believe was the horrible humiliation suffered during their ordeal.

Posted by: bcp221 at April 5, 2007 1:16 PM

Naseem:
Incidentially ...how do you register for little green footballs...I have tried ..and they say they accept no more registrations....I mean to reject Naseem ...well it takes my breath away.

The web site has built in intelligence
It correctly diagnoses that you are scum.

Posted by: UK Infidel Lover at April 5, 2007 1:23 PM

There is an old Soldiers rule of not taking the third light off a match.

Iran gave 2 lights to the British. who are they going to offer the third?

Posted by: flowerknife_us at April 5, 2007 2:25 PM

It's good news indeed but it doesn't let Ahmadinejad off the hook for his statements against Israel and the western world.

Posted by: abad at April 5, 2007 9:49 PM

welcome home lads! my heroes! live to fight another day, just like those captured marines on port stanley, paraded in fronty of hte cameras by the argies, but returned and were the fist ones to raise the british flag over port stanley.

i cried when i saw our lads back home, 'cos i know that we are gonna retake the UK! too many people were outraged with the dhimmis and the muslims.

good things are gonna happen may elections!

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at April 5, 2007 11:01 PM