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An update on this story. "Sharia gangs roam streets of capital city to enforce their law with threats," by Jeremy Page for The Times:
Shiraz Ahmed was tending his music store in Islamabad, the capital of Pakistan, when a group of 15 bearded young men walked in bearing bamboo poles and a chilling message.
Politely but firmly, they instructed him to take down the colourful array of Bollywood and bhangra dance tunes on display and to restrict his business to Islamic music.
“They told me I had to change my business,” said Mr Ahmed, 25, whose family has run the store for 15 years. “I am so confused. I don’t know what to do.”
Until last week he might not have worried about these men from Islamabad’s Lal Masjid (Red Mosque). After all, his shop is legal and within walking distance of Pervez Musharraf’s presidential palace.
But this was just one of several signs in the past ten days that a creeping campaign to “Talebanise” Pakistan has spread from tribal areas on the Afghan border right to the heart of the capital. And to judge from the Government’s response, even here it is reluctant to confront the radical clerics who openly preach jihad (holy war) and defy the writ of the state.
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Pakistani police have promised to arrest Abdul Rashid Ghazi, the seminary’s vice-principal, and to prevent more vigilante raids. Maulana Abdul Aziz, the seminary’s principal, has refused to give up Mr Ghazi, who is his brother, and has vowed to cleanse Islamabad of brothels, liquor stores and other “unIslamic” activity.
He also gave the Government until [April 6] to introduce Sharia (Islamic law) across Pakistan. Otherwise, he said, his students would do it themselves, starting with the surrounding G-6 neighbourhood in central Islamabad.
“It’s like if you have garbage outside your house and the city authorities fail to clear it — you have to do it yourself,” he said. “We’re urging the whole country to rise up and make the country clean and pure.”
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They have also been seen at traffic lights around the capital telling women to stop driving cars and asking people playing “unIslamic” music to turn it off.
Posted by Marisol at April 8, 2007 8:38 AM
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It starts with pakistan and will end up in the streets of london, paris and madrid. Unless the west does something to halt islam freedoms will be lost as they are being lost in Pakistan now. I hope the guy gets protection and dosent change his business.
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at April 8, 2007 8:49 AM
Rougie there were no cars for women to drive, Mohummad did not allow women to leave without being accompanied her husband or close male relative. l see these so called pious muslim women with their scarfes,coverings,etc driving and going to stores alone, it is funny they want to stand out, yet if they were back in the cesspoolstan they could not leave their homes without a male relative. they are trying to live Western style and yet hold onto their outdated muslim cult.
Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at April 8, 2007 9:29 AM
The moderate muslim gangs must clash with these guys all the time. Where the heck is the brotherhood when you need them? Probably to busy selling crack and doing drive bys whilst listening to fiddy cent somewhere in the west.
Posted by: Abrog8 at April 8, 2007 9:49 AM
Well all I can say if this starts happening here in Minneapolis anytime soon. I see two things happening.
Open warfare in the streets and the final dagger in the heart of liberalism in Minnesota...exposing them for what they are for the rest of people to see what their support-anything-against-christian-conservative-islamic-appeasement-doctrine.
Posted by: SoteriA at April 8, 2007 10:22 AM
Love is in the air, just keep your kevlar handy
Posted by: OLD SARGE at April 8, 2007 10:33 AM
It's all about power and control, not morality. The only immorality here is the lack of resolve to oppose Islamo-fascism.
Posted by: jewdog at April 8, 2007 10:47 AM
The inforcement of sharia is the inforcement of political Islam which seeks to control the Muslim world. To allow the creeping in of pure sharia doctrine flies in the face of universal human rightsespecially to women.
Just as in Iraq, Pakistan should fight against such efforts of this part of Islam. Most islamic countries today avoid the implementation of hadd laws and penalties with the exception of Saudia Arabia.
Posted by: Mackie at April 8, 2007 10:57 AM
In a way, there is a sort of delicious irony to this story.
Pakistan and its rulers have been feeding this beast of Islamism for the last so many years. All this time they have been letting it loose against it's secular neighbor India.
Now of course, the chickens have come home to roost and will soon consume its' creator and benefactor !
Now maybe the US will realize that Pakistan is no ally in the war on terror and is in fact one of its main sponsors.
at April 8, 2007 11:17 AM
"In a way, there is a sort of delicious irony to this story."
Yes, they do eat their own, don't they? Live by the Sharia, die by the Sharia.
Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at April 8, 2007 11:44 AM
If I remember, this place has nukes?
Posted by: senor doeboy at April 8, 2007 12:06 PM
From the article
a creeping campaign to “Talebanise” Pakistan has spread from tribal areas on the Afghan border right to the heart of the capital
Why is the religious Taleban model overtaking the secular dictator model? Especially if the vast majority are moderates?
It's more proof that "moderates" like Musharraf have no answer to the "few radicals" when the "radicals" claim to represent the true Islam. It's more proof that the vast majority are not "moderates", whatever that means.
It's more proof that Islam's influence on a society is like a barbed nettle; it can only work it's way deeper into fur and flesh; it will never loosen or drop out on its own, it must be (painfully) ripped out and discarded.
Posted by: special_guest at April 8, 2007 12:13 PM
Impose Sharia in Islam-is-bad? An aptly named city for it.
Sharia gangs? I'd like to see West Side Story with burqa-clad dancers. When you're a Jet you're a Jet all the way, wrapped up like a burrito, And when they rumble, do the gangs yell quotations from the Quran and Sunnah at each other? Maybe they use scimitar-shaped switchblades and ride low-rider steeds with pom-poms around the saddles. I bet they steal hubcaps from Infidels.
at April 8, 2007 12:14 PM
When I discussed female Muslims driving cars, with a Muslim associate. He told me that: "If Muslim women are allowed to drive, then they will become more and more like Western women (Independent), who go out whoring themselves" -_- Really, it's a form of male chauvinism and control.
you know with this control and debasing of women,and (non muslims) where are the "liberal women's groups"? where are the human rights on islam? how f@#$ing blind can they be.. it really amazes me, should not, but it does!
Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at April 8, 2007 12:16 PM
What this people are doing is GOOD but not WISE at the moment. They should first educate the populase of the teachings of Islam before forcing it down their throat, coz that is how the pakistani muslims will see it now.
Teach them God's signs until they rehearse.
Posted by: Abdullah at April 8, 2007 12:23 PM
What is in a name? holyland benevolence fund=suicide bomber recruiting fund, human rights orgs=anti human death squads, love and kisses foundation=sword in your back while you are distracted foundation. These days there is more to the name than we realize. Racist imperialistic American warmongers=Freedom lovers willing to fight for their lives, see what I mean?
Posted by: tgusa at April 8, 2007 12:38 PM
This is actually good news! I support this fully! We should be embracing this. If Pakistan becomes another Taliban state then Afghanistan will revert too, thus ending Western involvement there. Those two countries will sink deep back into the Dark Ages and in doing so will paint such an unappealing picture of Islam that Muslims in the West will disavow ever being Muslim. Furthermore, such Taliban states will turn in on themselves. They will devour themselves going after heretics, apostates, Jewish spies, and women drivers. Why are American and British troops fighting Muslims? Why not just let them eat themselves like the savages that they are. We only need to watch from a safe distance.
We should close the door of Muslim immigration to the West by re-allocating immigrant/asylum quotas only to "persecuted minorities" (i.e., apostates, Christians, and free-thinkers). Then, sit back and watch them tear each other's eyes out trying to win Allah's favour. Pakistan's nuclear know-how will be forgotten when all of the high school physics classes are turned into Koran-recitation classes. The greatest threat to Islam ... is Muslims.
I say LET THEM embarrass themselves right out of existence. Let them ALL talibanize themselves. The West will chug along and progress and those people will become even further behind than they are already. Let the world see them for what they are!
Posted by: Patrick at April 8, 2007 12:47 PM
It's nice to see that Pakistan - a nuclear power is being overtaken by the Taleban. This would bode well for us to finally "get it on" and do in these Islamists. The more that defend, aid, abet, couch, enable, apologise on behalf of these "purists" the more justification there will be to take these layabouts out as well.
Until Islam becomes "neutered" it is not only a threat, but a menace to everyone within its proximity. This is one of the main reasons why Islam should be banned (as it is practiced today) in western countries, and those who practise it forced into Apostasy until such time as they get their act together and "neuter" it, making it benign from malignant.
Any chance in that happening in the future? Not too likely, therefore we allow it to continue unabated at our own peril.
at April 8, 2007 12:52 PM
Abdullah
That's funny Abdullah, to bad you don't have a clue.
The populace is ALREADY educated on the teachings of Sharia and Islam that's why most of them don't strictly follow it.
Imagine running a business strictly within Sharia law. You would be living in poverty like most of the Islamic world.
at April 8, 2007 12:56 PM
Abdullah, you are wrong. There is no God but God, and Mohammed had nothing to do with it.
You can guess the lack of divine effect by looking at the inability of Islamic nations to achieve much of anything. Shameful, cruel, and violent. I think they'll lose a lot in the next decade, thank God.
Posted by: StillBreathing at April 8, 2007 12:58 PM
Five to one, baby
One in five
No one here gets out alive, now
You get yours, baby
Ill get mine
Gonna make it, baby
If we try
The old get old
And the young get stronger
May take a week
And it may take longer
They got the guns
But we got the numbers
Gonna win, yeah
Were takin over
Come on!
Five to One - The Doors
at April 8, 2007 1:10 PM
Abdullah get over it, sharia does not work, you see people rejecting it even in the pak, freedom is not found in islam. you are spoiled living in Britain where you can live the life of a "Western person" while trying to be muslim. try living your purity of islam in the pak and see how long you last. you are such an absurbity and two faced at that. so get the fcck to some cesspoolstan as you are living a lie in the West.
Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at April 8, 2007 1:13 PM
Again, I would have to ask, who actually thinks that the Paki ISI is not really aiding and abetting the shariah enforcers. Probably too much to ask that all aid to Pakis is on condition that all the "Shariah gangs" are forced to cease their "Shariah activities". I still say it's time to enccourage Balochistan, the Sindh, and PoK to leave the Pakis and either become their own liberla democratic states or new Indian states. Either option is certainly possible, with the end result being that the Pakis are finally left without all their oil sources and other resources, and become a laughingstock of sorts, and all the remaining states, (Sindh, Baloch, PoK), would be ripe for De-Islamification.
As said before, it wouldn't be a trivial task, the Indians would have to stop being Mr. Nice Guy with regard to Middle Eastern funded mosques and Madrassas, but it is definitely possible. The end result would be that Islam's grip on millions of people is drstically weakened, hence some real humanitarian work is done, and the Pakis would FINALLY get the point that we're serious when we tell them to stop letting "Shariah activists" run wild in ther excuse for a nation.
Posted by: maxwell46&2 at April 8, 2007 1:27 PM
I agree with Patrick that we should let these places go to hell. The only problem is, the expansionist nature of Islam means that hell will be looking for us. Maybe the answer is Hugh's suggestion of primarily using long-range bombing to knock out WMD facilities, but otherwise don't get in bed with these fools.
Posted by: jewdog at April 8, 2007 1:29 PM
How many days does Musharraf have left? How loyal is the officer corps? How loyal is the average enlisted man? When does the civil war start?
Posted by: Pelayo at April 8, 2007 1:37 PM
"What this people are doing is GOOD but not WISE at the moment. They should first educate the populase of the teachings of Islam before forcing it down their throat, coz that is how the pakistani muslims will see it now.
Teach them God's signs until they rehearse."
Posted by: Abdullah at April 8, 2007 12:23 PM
Just another example of how Good and Evil gets turned upside down in Islam.
The only "pure and clean" society Pakistan will ever see is a Pakistan free of Islam and its twisted and fictional Allah.
at April 8, 2007 1:59 PM
“It’s like if you have garbage outside your house and the city authorities fail to clear it — you have to do it yourself,” he said. “We’re urging the whole country to rise up and make the country clean and pure.”
the logic in the above just astounds me. we see when sharia is enforced, we see more murdering thugs getting away with murder, and their breeding of sociopathic murderers. It is like the garbage is calling everyone garbage unless they follow the rules of the garbage. I suppose this can also be looked at as a very, mind-bending - 'beauty is in the eyes of the beholder'. The garbage look at their chaos/garbage as beauty while order and peace is the muslim's garbage.
A good example of muslim 'beauty' are the places that muslims reside - in the USA and Europe - they are areas of high crime rates, in other areas they are areas of continual bombings, murder, torture and kidnappings. Afghanistan, before we entered, was their capital of 'beauty'.
Posted by: R_not at April 8, 2007 2:06 PM
Mackie:
The inforcement of sharia is the inforcement of political Islam which seeks to control the Muslim world. To allow the creeping in of pure sharia doctrine flies in the face of universal human rights especially to women.
So? The OIC countries have already said that they would not sign up to the UN Declaration of Human Rights. Instead they have signed up to the Cairo Declaration of Human Rights in 1990 - which is a subset that throws out rights in 2 key areas: Women is one of the areas.
See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cairo_Declaration_of_Human_Rights
Just as in Iraq, Pakistan should fight against such efforts of this part of Islam. Most islamic countries today avoid the implementation of hadd laws and penalties with the exception of Saudia Arabia.
How are they going to do that? Islam is declared the state religion in the Pakistan Constitution of 1973.
at April 8, 2007 3:28 PM
angle:
It starts with pakistan and will end up in the streets of london, paris and madrid. Unless the west does something to halt islam freedoms will be lost as they are being lost in Pakistan now.
What does that mean? You mean that if the people of Pakistan 100% want Islam, we should still enforce our desires on top of them? This is a Pakistani problem - even if it works out it is a small minority wanting Sharia law, it is for the rest of Pakistan to sort out. What should happen is we prevent it from occuring in the West - by making sure people will know that it will happen if they do nothing.
Posted by: UK Infidel Lover
at April 8, 2007 3:35 PM
Abdullah:
What this people are doing is GOOD but not WISE at the moment. They should first educate the populase of the teachings of Islam...
It is amazing how few questions you answer
The population of Pakistan already knows Islam. They hae had teaching since they were small children. But it does not satisfy them and they only half-heartedly follow it.
...before forcing it down their throat
I thought there was no compulsion in Islam.
And you agree with the policy of forcing it down their throat.
... coz that is how the pakistani muslims will see it now. Teach them God's signs until they rehearse.
And what if they are unhappy Abdullah?
Saudi Arabia is 100% Islamic, yet there is evidence that Saudi Arabia youth are very unhappy. Does not seem that Islam satisfies despite what the unthinking and idealistic Abdullah's try and impose.
Posted by:
at April 8, 2007 3:46 PM
My thinking JWs, is I agree with this action.
Increase Islam in the Islamic world. Make it 100%. Just make sure that so-called moderate Muslims cannot escape the intensity of it by coming to the West. It is their problem, let them deal with it. Let them experience pure Islam - and see if they like it.
Posted by: UK Infidel Lover at April 8, 2007 3:51 PM
Abdullah is a case in point who would scream violation if he were forced to be Jewish, but thinks it is ok for thug Muslims to force Pakistani people to be Islamic.
The Pakistani can do three things. Die now or die later in cleansing just like the Taliban did.
Posted by: Lame Cherry at April 8, 2007 4:45 PM
And what's the third thing, Lame Cherry?
Posted by: fedupinamerica at April 8, 2007 5:42 PM
Teach them God's signs until they rehearse.
Posted by: Abdullah
I have a better idea.. Bring in the Crips.. And the Bloods. Show them how gang warfare really works. Maybe pay these American gangs to "protect" liquor stores and barber shops...
I bet they'd have these Pak-gangs on the run in NO time.
Best of all: NO Rules of Engagement.
Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 8, 2007 6:22 PM
I was just talking to a Pakistani friend of mine, and he gave me a few links to stories about people resisting those islamists:
http://www.dawn.com/2007/04/06/top7.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6530935.stm
http://pakistaniat.com/2007/04/07/pakistan-lal-masjid-islamabad-suicide-bomb-bombers-qazi-court/
Most people in Pakistan are pissed at the religious nutjobs, and find the society they want to violently impose in Pakistan to be horrible.
at April 8, 2007 8:23 PM
The Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt is paying attention to this. How long before they start pulling the same stunts? The same slow motion Jihad against the secular Government.
Posted by: dennisw at April 8, 2007 8:40 PM
Wonder how long befor they try this crap here in America, maybe in Dearborn Mi. What will the people do?
Posted by: AMartinez at April 8, 2007 8:46 PM
fedupinamerica (on behalf of Lame Cherry )
There are three types of people in the world .....
Those who can count and those who cannot.
at April 8, 2007 8:59 PM
"and to restrict his business to Islamic music."
I'd like to hear some "Islamic music" sometime.
There is no such thing.
at April 8, 2007 11:04 PM
Assalamau Laikum all,
Pak was born in 1947 and has been struggling with an identity crisis ever since.
What to do? Democracy...clearly not...3 weeks in nearly 70 years has shown that.
Pak was built on blood by blood ...to have the 1st modern state on Allah's flat earth build on religion.....Islam and Sharia.
Trains were flowing into Pak even upto 1954 where peoples were searching for the utopia that is Islam. ....secular India just didn't cut it for them.
So finally after 70 years of teething pains Pak has discovered Sharia...Pak needs sharia...Pak demands sharia....deen brothers like Abdullah are shouting for it from outside..so what is stopping them.
Well not the government that's for sure...it's only about 160 million muslims who don't fully understand sharia.
We must all in Pak show that sharia is fit for purpose at home...able to be comfortable with nukes ...before we can export Allah's divinity to wuslims in the west.
Additionally I would urge peoples like Abdullah to come & settle in the Pak (like me) to open up Islami-centric businesses to show tacit support for Islam.
Manners start at home...foundations start at home...laws start at home...so come on Pak, lets support sharia...pelase let's not complain...let it wash over us...show the west what they are missing ...show them that they too would enjoy and enhance their lot with a mix of democracy and mild sharia (to start with).
So, Hi five there Abdullah....here'e hoping you are on the next plane "home"...come and support your roots.
at April 9, 2007 5:41 AM
....Once the religious police take over in Pakistan , there will be no profit making businesses....
...."They have also been seen at traffic lights around the capital telling women to stop driving cars and asking people playing “unIslamic” music to turn it off."
....the next time the people are caught playing music in their care...they will see an AK47..up close....
“They told me I had to change my business,” said Mr Ahmed, 25, whose family has run the store for 15 years. “I am so confused. I don’t know what to do.”
.....submit or die.....It is Islam....Stupid....
"
at April 9, 2007 6:24 AM
So finally after 70 years of teething pains Pak has discovered Sharia...Pak needs sharia...Pak demands sharia....deen brothers like Abdullah are shouting for it from outside..so what is stopping them.
deen brothers need to go home.. to where they are wanted.
Pakistan is a cancer..
Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 9, 2007 6:31 AM
So, Naseem, we can expect all Pakis to be returning to Pakistan?
I'll have a Pepsi.
Posted by: Pelayo at April 9, 2007 6:37 AM
So, Hi five there Abdullah....here'e hoping you are on the next plane "home"...come and support your roots.
Posted by: Naseem
Nazeem.. we agree for once! Get Abby home! He's a hypocrite... enjoying the Fruits of the West while calling for sharia.. go Abby.. go..
Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 9, 2007 6:39 AM
"Manners start at home...foundations start at home...laws start at home...so come on Pak, lets support sharia...pelase let's not complain...let it wash over us...show the west what they are missing ...show them that they too would enjoy and enhance their lot with a mix of democracy and mild sharia (to start with)." By Naseem.
What is this mild sharia?
A menthol filter sharia? Less nicotine sharia?
Is there a sugar free sharia? A fat free sharia?
A health concious sharia? An organic sharia?
To start with?
Will there be an increase of dosage? Up to the full strenght sharia? With stoning, beheading, chopping off limbs sharia?
Do tell which version will be the final version. Which version will the wuslim sign up to?
And democracy? In Islam? Pull the other one.
at April 9, 2007 7:01 AM
Looks like Abby is in Germany making the local sheep unsafe:
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21509036-1702,00.html
[NOTE: the moslem is simply referred to as "a man"]
A MAN has been charged with breaking German animal protection laws after he was caught on camera having sex with sheep.
The sheep's owner became suspicious last year and installed video surveillance equipment which filmed the 44-year-old in the act, police in the western region of Suedhessen said.
“He admitted sodomising the animals and had no explanation for his actions,” spokeswoman Christine Klein said.
The man, who is a Turkish national and lives in the town of Gross Gerau, faces a jail sentence of up to three years or a fine.
Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 9, 2007 7:41 AM
When I discussed female Muslims driving cars, with a Muslim associate. He told me that: "If Muslim women are allowed to drive, then they will become more and more like Western women (Independent), who go out whoring themselves" -_- Really, it's a form of male chauvinism and control.
you know with this control and debasing of women,and (non muslims) where are the "liberal women's groups"? where are the human rights on islam? how f@#$ing blind can they be.. it really amazes me, should not, but it does!
Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at April 8, 2007 12:16 PM
One of the ironies about shroud-wearing is that it isn't only a handy guise for fleeing jihadists. Some years ago a burqa-wearer apprised a journalist in either the Nat Geographic or perhaps Time that a major benefit of her portable cloister was that she could freely engage in extra-marital affairs because she couldn't be identified.
BTW, Naseem, as an Ahmadeyan, you'll be high on the Taliban's list of infidels for extermination, so do burble on about the wonders of Sharia in Pakistan.
Posted by: waterdragon52 at April 9, 2007 7:52 AM
If Islamists have their way and establish a sharia state in Pakistan it will bring an end to Naseem & company's contribution here... and an end to Naseem herself, since she's an Ahmadhi.
Naseem & company - take defensive measures while you can and hope for an invasion from Afghan and India while you still live.
Good luck - you're going to get what you've wanted.
Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at April 9, 2007 10:18 AM
"Sharia gangs" coming soon to Lahore, Pakistan...I advise you to hide your money, your jewlry, and your daughters....
....I am sure they will make life different for a residents of Lahore, Pakistan....
...one way or the other....
at April 9, 2007 1:29 PM
Assalamau Laikum all,
Thank you for your concern for me...but in terms of the bigger picture...I am not important....Sharia must come first.
Posted by: Naseem at April 10, 2007 3:45 AM
"Sharia must come first."
.....sounds like a death wish......
at April 10, 2007 1:52 PM
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