Hmmmm the elected government working close with al-Qaeda? Lets give them a state!

Posted by: Elric66 at April 10, 2007 8:25 AM

A muslims worst enemy is another muslim.....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at April 10, 2007 8:32 AM

And that satanic rat bastard bush al-saud can't create the next muslim terror state, 'palestine', ripped from Eretz Yisrael fast enough. condi reich was just over there implementing the saudi 'peace' plan. THAT is how bush al-saud fights the "war" on "terror."

May the Creator deliver justice and soon.

Posted by: Arm A. Geddon at April 10, 2007 8:43 AM

The blood always flows where the Muhammadan goes.

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at April 10, 2007 9:22 AM

one of the four 'outstanding figures' of the Islamic 'struggle' in Palestine and around the world."

i.e.

a low down rotten head-chopping son-of-the-devil.

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at April 10, 2007 9:29 AM

"In March 2006, Abbas became the first Palestinian leader to admit al-Qaida infiltrated Gaza after Israel's withdrawal from the territory in the summer of 2005."

Not that many of us on this site are fans of staying in Iraq, but doesn't that hint at what will happen once we leave Iraq?

Cheers,

http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com

Posted by: Doctor Bulldog at April 10, 2007 9:54 AM

The "tiny minority of extremists" must have its own hidden clone banks.

Posted by: Foehammer at April 10, 2007 10:23 AM

Like "crips" vs "bloods". As long as no infidels are hurt, I say go for it!

Posted by: Infidel33 at April 10, 2007 10:39 AM

"why cant Dawg The Bounty Hunter operate out of Waziristan to fetch out Bin Laden and Zawahiri ?"

...because he is a felon and is unable to own a gun....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at April 10, 2007 10:40 AM

Doc B.D.:

We're gonna leave Iraq. Tomorrow or ten years--we're gonna leave Iraq. al-Qaida or AQ V 1.2 will take advantage of the inevitable vacuum.

The very ideology of jihad doesn't just prevent peace--it prevents any opportunity for peace.

Posted by: turn at April 10, 2007 10:47 AM

Is Hamas not savage enough for some people that they join Al-Qaeda? Whoa. And why should we give them a state?

Posted by: wrathofasma at April 10, 2007 10:50 AM

A lie to discredit the Hamas organization. Hamas is better than the pro-west fatah corrupt, greedy party just like its masters. Hamas is only answerable to Allah, the master of the universe

Posted by: Abdullah at April 10, 2007 11:10 AM

@Abullastein

There is no allah.

allah is a pagan moon god!

Geesh! How long does it take to educate you muhammadans?

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at April 10, 2007 11:25 AM

TURN,

"The very ideology of jihad doesn't just prevent peace--it prevents any opportunity for peace."

Well said.

If we are to fight this war on the Jihazis, I think American foreign policy needs a major mindset change. We are still locked into the Soviet era mindset when it comes to dealing with foreign threats. Socialists like Nancy Pelosi and her cronies need to wake up and smell the coffee. It is one thing to deal with heads of state, and entirely a different thing to deal with ideologically motivated fanatics.

As to exactly what changes need to be made, I am at a loss, but I would start with mending the rift between Republicans and Democrats. Once they are on the same page, it is only a matter of time before America and her allies succeed in this war. If they don't get on the same page, I'm afraid that our children will pay the price. (Do it for the Children (*grin*))

Cheers,

http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com

Posted by: Doctor Bulldog at April 10, 2007 11:33 AM

"A lie to discredit the Hamas organization. Hamas is better than the pro-west fatah corrupt, greedy party just like its masters. Hamas is only answerable to Allah, the master of the universe

Posted by: Abdullah "

...IS THIS a boast that Hamas kills more people tha Fatah?.....

.....I suspect a body count contest in motion...

....Fatah is pro west? hahahahahahahaha

....go back and read up on Fatah and the PLO, throughout the years they have killed more Non Muslims and Jewist zionist pigs than Hamas.....

...that makes them true Muslims....in every bloody way....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at April 10, 2007 11:37 AM

I do love the comic relief of Abdullah in his being like the spokespeople for Islam so kooky they have no idea of the subject they speak of.

For the record Hamas is just as corrupt as Fatah in Hamas "lost" hundreds of millions of dollars via they stole it like Arafat did and were so inept in trading stocks on the stock market. Yes instead of providing Philistines in Gaza with socialist hospitals, schools and housing they invested money to play stocks.

What needs to be watched though is al Qaeda like the neo Syrian Philistines are not one body any more. One faction is Islamocommunist and the other is Islamofascist and they both are warring against each other.
That is why Chavez the communist of Venezuela was shocked that al Qaeda was threatening them as he was anti American too and thought his Iranian buddies had given them the green card of carte blanche.
Iran controls the Islamocommunist wing of al Qaeda along with the more dominant Zawahiri faction, but bin Laden still runs the leathal Islamofascist wing which hates communists.

The Gaza al Qaeda though will if left grow up to bite Hamas' head off as all al Qaeda does. Hamas is only interested in looting money, petty murder and a place at the table to look like they are civilized. al Qaeda though is intent on domination and murder of all rivals.
That should sound familiar as it exactly what Muhammed carried out and is the hybrid decree al Qaeda follows.

It should be noted, Gaza is a kill zone which I have written about. When this breaks loose in all out warfare Ashod will be a thermobaric waste ending the problem. Then experts like Abduallah can lament his Muslim brothers from his UK paid for nice safe home with all his American made toys he so despises.
Abdullah go back to your nativity and see how long you last playing with the big boys you judge and condemn. You wouldn't last one day spewing what you do with Fatah.

Posted by: Lame Cherry at April 10, 2007 12:29 PM

Given that al Qaeda and Hamas are both offshoots of Ikhwan, why is that a surprise?

laosuwan, what are you smoking? Has the Jihad against your brethren in S Thailand gotten to you, and made you think of switching sides? Or is this sarcasm that I'm not getting?

Posted by: Infidel Pride at April 10, 2007 12:31 PM

Robert said

But note the close ties between Al-Qaeda and Hamas.

But Al-Qaeda and Hamas are both Sunni organizations, so it is not surprising as a Al-Qaeda and Hezb'Allah collaboration. We have leaders who have never heard of a Sunni/Shi'ite split, let alone ones who understand that the split can be set aside when fighting the infidels, let alone ones who understand all the tribal and religious fractures that exist within and outside that main schisms. On a scale of 1 to 10 of understanding Islamic/Middle Eastern history, I'm at about a 1.5 or maybe a 2, but even I'm lightyears ahead of our politicians and media pundits.

We need a Robert Spencer or Hugh Fitzgerald or some other truly knowledgeable person informing and instructing our leaders.

Posted by: special_guest at April 10, 2007 12:45 PM

If our putative leaders believe that Hamas, Hezb'Allah (Party of Allah), PLO, Muslim Brotherhood, Al-Qaeda, Jama'at al-Jihad al-Islami, Jemaah Islamiyah, and all the other hundreds of Islamic terrorist organizations have nothing to do with Islam, if they are not influenced by the Qur'an, then there is no reason to investigate Islamic history or Islamic jurisprudence, to understand the Shi'a Sunni split (for example). If all the jihads all over the world are independently motivated secular struggles, then the path to learning is closed before it is opened.

Posted by: special_guest at April 10, 2007 1:07 PM

Methinks laosuwan has completely lost his mind. That was a complete mental meltdown.

Posted by: awake at April 10, 2007 1:17 PM

Darn, they removed laosuwan's comments... My wife was about to unleash a can of whoop*ss...

Cheers,

http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com

Posted by: Doctor Bulldog at April 10, 2007 1:51 PM

Abdullah, You should pray to Allah that we in the West continued to provide Food Aid to you. Pray that we don't start charging it comparable to Oil instead of giving it away.

At some point the West will come to realize that feeding people who wish to kill them is a foolish policy.

No Food, no problems. It all takes care of itself.

Better for us to Distill it to Ethanol or just more Booze than to feed the Enemy.

Besides, why waste the Food on People Iran plans to VAPORIZE at the earliest possible moment?

Do you really think Palestinians are Immune to the effects Mushrooms growing where those Greenhouses used to be would have?

Posted by: flowerknife_us at April 10, 2007 1:54 PM

"Abdullah, You should pray to Allah"

...you know, the one who has brought nothing to muslims except poverty, pain, and death...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at April 10, 2007 3:18 PM

'Al-Qaida operating in Gaza'

To this you may add: London, Bradford, Leeds, Birmingham... I think you get the picture.

But who is al-qaida? Are they a rag bag army of disgrunteled, disillusioned and disenfranchised army of muslim youths who have bismirched the good name of allah and dragged his cult of submission through mud?

Are the teachings of the so called messanger of god translated any different to these people or doesn't your friendly next door neighbour - a Mr Khan from pakistan (presently unemployed but married with two wives - one here in Bradford, a fair English mare, and one in islamabad; with six children, all attending a local madrassa run by a genial mufti from karachi - who incidently wouldn't hurt a fly) share the same sentiments?

Scratch the surface and all muslims belong to al-qaida. Don't go hunting for him in the caves of Afghanistan, or in the North West Frontier of pakistan. Look into the eyes of your New York taxi driver from Rawalpindi, smell the breath of your waiter in the Bangladeshi curry house in London, hear him speak into the ears of your young daughter at the university in Munich - and you will find him there, there and there.

Posted by: Hermit at April 10, 2007 4:03 PM

"Hamas is only answerable to Allah, the master of the universe."

The moon god of death & destruction better get his act together cause' his little minions are preying on each other in Gaza. A house divided cannot stand. [just waiting for a massive crashing sound to reverberate around the globe]

Posted by: SoteriA at April 10, 2007 4:14 PM

Abdullah:

Crapistan beckons thee. Go hither. Allah presides there and does his will, making poverty among men, and spreading scum upon the waters. Allah's worshipers make body parts fly through the air, displaying the magic of islam, and the power of hate. Go. Make like allah wants. Steal for a living. Wipe yourself with stones. Rape some women. Steal some more. Talk about how much you value and respect women, but be sure to kill one as soon as she is raped by one of your fellows. Allah forbid that a muslim man could be held solely responsible, for allah has made them perpetual juveniles. Yes, go. Please go. Back to Crapistan. You will be honored there with honey and gunpowder. Live there and thank allah for all his blessings. You deserve all that Crapistan has to offer.

Posted by: texan at April 10, 2007 5:20 PM

I'm still researching what it is exactly that islam and the muslims have proven superior with or in , to benefit mankind. The search leeds to nothing but hate and death, not what i was brought up to believe in, so excuse me muslims and islamers if i put some defined separation between you and my family. Your not wanted in my world, be careful i can be very dangerous if pissed off.

Posted by: OLD SARGE at April 10, 2007 6:32 PM

I can't stop loving Spencer's sources. WorldNetDaily, a news service that openly publishes its uncontrolled love for Israel (the first ad is Zion Oil and Gas, Inc., a corporation that has an IPO, raises some money from radicals in the United States, and then spends it until it runs out on God knows what [they sure ain't findin' oil], then does another IPO again) and puts articles telling you how to tape up your house (hilarious, thank you Ashcroft) to survive a nuclear attack from Iran (even their longest-range missles couldn't get to the Atlantic) next to articles about miracle medicine-man cures that will wipe out cancer "but the government doesn't want you to know about it (all you have to do is give them money, and they will develop these wonder cures, awesome). Inside the article, the author references an "expert" from the reference an "expert" from the Israeli government who, in wonderful JihadWatch scholarly manner, states that simply because they have found pictures of a person super-imposed together (poorly) on a poster with somebody else, that means that they have "ideological connections." Please, don't bother to read the materials (and not the MEMRI "bullitens" on them) and see if there is an actual ideological connection...there isn't. Al-Qaeda is a global organization seeking the physical removal of the United States from the Arab Gulf States, as well as a removal of their not-so-much-Islamic governments, while Hamas is a socialist-based organization that seeks a dual program of direct military engagement (as opposed to indirect like Fatah) as well as social programs (not really working well right now) in order to obtain the demands of the Palestinians (a contiguous state), basically an antithesis to Jabotinsky's "Iron Wall" proposal...read up on that one.

Just doing some thinking...

Posted by: An American at April 10, 2007 6:54 PM

Robert Spencer quotes an article from WND, which loves Israel and which has an ad for herbal cures, which make unproven claims, which ... what is the point of this? That you don't trust WND? That you don't trust Robert Spencer? That you don't like Jews? Thanks for the update, I always wondered what you thought about WND and Robert Spencer and Jews.

Posted by: special_guest at April 10, 2007 7:16 PM

Well lets see, al-qaeda is in gaza, hell they ain't in iraq too!

Posted by: AMartinez at April 10, 2007 7:20 PM

Not that many of us on this site are fans of staying in Iraq, but doesn't that hint at what will happen once we leave Iraq?

Cheers,

http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com

you see what happened to the Gaza Strip when the Israeli left it, it got filled with human debris. that hammas debris will be the undoing of Abbas. When arat died, and Abbas took more power, he was urged by both the US and Israeli to reign in the Hammas boys. so Abbas did not want to a civil war, and chickened out, so now there is a Hammas/al queada war on Abbas.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at April 10, 2007 7:26 PM

Just stop feeding them. Let their Arab brethren send the food. See how full their bellies get.

Posted by: flowerknife_us at April 10, 2007 9:46 PM

I'll try this in a shorter method (y'all don't know how to read to the bottom).

1.WND reliability = extremely questionable (like saying an al-Qaeda press report that the Israelis are in Afghanistan should be believed because it said so)

2. Scholarly comment = very sketchy (like books without citations, you shouldn't believe them...not to say he's inherently incorrect, just that he should actually back it up with something more than "...we've got a Photoshopped picture...")

3. Jews = I have no problems. I can't understand why everybody thinks that if I (or anybody else for that matter) disagree with one Israeli scholar that I have a thing against Jews. Just irrational--hit at my argument, not something off topic.

Conclusion: Why should we believe this article based simply upon these sketchy, and extremely questionable sources. Sources are everything, no matter where you are in the world.

PS. Before anybody says anything to the contrary, I don't agree with Abdullah.

Posted by: An American at April 10, 2007 11:05 PM