Insaan al-kamil, no?

Umar Lee, Who am I? MY Blogging Resume

Education: kicked out of high school for smackin the principal upside his head, flunked the 7th grade, graduated from juvenile detention and Job Corps and an assortment of jail cells. Learned from the school of hard-knocks and traveled the world for an education.

Employment:. Never try and work too hard and if you enter a room I’m in with a pocket full of money then check your pockets before you leav…lol. Smooth talker, natural-born salesman and have sold anything you can imagine. Worked many a BS job from dishwasher, laborer, warehouse worker, factory worker, janitor, telemarketer, market research interviewer, security guard and more. My first job was selling bootleg cassette tapes in flea markets and on the corner and my second was selling imported Colombian goods. Finally settled on being a cabbie.

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at April 10, 2007 2:03 PM

Robert

What exactly is the criteria for completely obscure bloggers - be it Umar Lee, Dean Esmay, WatchJihadWatch, et al to get noticed here? Are there really such a shortage of people who criticize you without any foundation? IMHO, you give them way too much importance with even one reference (as opposed to Dinesh, where the attention was more appropriate).

Incidentally, I do prefer your solo appearances to your debates, since those who debate you generally tend to be morons (e.g. Jaffar Siddique, Edina Lukovic, et al) If you do debate, I'd much prefer to see you vs the likes of Irshad Manji, Manzoor Ijaz or even Stephen Schwartz.

I do look forward to your appearance on Lee Rodgers this Friday.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at April 10, 2007 2:09 PM

IP:

The only criterion is that if I think a valuable point or set of points can be made that might be helpful to people of good will, I'll write something. Otherwise no. You haven't seen any exchanges with WJW or Esmay here for some time now, because both have shown themselves simply to be character assassins who care nothing for truth or accuracy, and there is not much to say about that.

The criterion in this case was that LGF put it up -- I neglected to supply that link above -- here it is:

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=25080_Islamist_LGF-Haters&only

And since James sent me the other Umar Lee link I thought I'd take the opportunity to point out that none of my critics, from obscure bloggers to self-important professors like Omid Safi and Carl Ernst, have ever actually come up with any inaccuracy in my work.

As for debating, I'd be happy to debate any of those you name. But Schwartz also heaped abuse on me, without dealing in anything substantive:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15709

And just today, Irshad Manji responded to Fjordman's reasoned criticism by calling Jihad Watch "right-wing." I wrote to her to ask what made us right wing: our support for Islamic reform? Our opposition to jihad violence? Our opposition to the Iraq democracy project? But in any case it was a mild case of the same phenomenon: answering arguments by name-calling.

Fjordman: http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/014678.php

Manji: "Right-wing Jihad Watch slams Irshad" in the news section here:
http://www.muslim-refusenik.com/index.html

I'd be happy to debate Mansoor Ijaz. I thought his debate with Andrew McCarthy was extraordinarily revealing.

http://www.opinionduel.com/debate/?q=NDk=

Cordially
Robert Spencer

Posted by: jihadwatch at April 10, 2007 2:21 PM

Umar is absorbed by image, opaque as a man without concern for (or love from) a woman, insensitive to the destructive social order that was forced on his ancestors. "Can you see beyond your background, little Umar?" Too bad.

Posted by: StillBreathing at April 10, 2007 2:26 PM

Being a racist is evidently just fine if you are a Muslim calling Christians and Jews the descendants of "apes" and "pigs." No PC-er ever questions this. Heaven forbid one of them pick up a Kuran and read this in print no less.

The Kuran itself should be labeled a 'racist' book using PC-er criteria. But so what? Why would PC-ers let something like facts and reason interrupt their reign of (t)error?

The PC-ers name one day will be mud. But, how many of us will live to see it happen?

Posted by: pythagoras at April 10, 2007 2:26 PM

Robert Spencer raises an interesting point when he says, "but alas, doesn't explain what race Muslims are."

Ibrahim Hooper is quoted as saying:

"We [CAIR] are similar to a Muslim NAACP"

http://www.danielpipes.org/article/394

So, that being said, it seems to me that CAIR and other Muslims in the United States are trying to equate themselves with the Civil Rights movement of the 60's. This is ludicrous at best, as I have yet to see drinking fountains labeled, "Muslims only." Or, any other such nonsense. If any separation has occurred, it has come forth from the Muslim community.

Clearly they are manipulating circumstances to gain unearned privileges in American society by attacking our kind nature and soft hearts... Nice catch, Mr. Spencer.

Cheers,

http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com

Posted by: Doctor Bulldog at April 10, 2007 2:26 PM

muslims hate the truth, especially when the infidels know it...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at April 10, 2007 2:30 PM

Re: Irshad Manji

This misguided little lady appears to believe that calling Jihad Watch "right wing" buys her the right to continue harboring her self-delusions about Islam. Alas, it does not.

All she is really doing is flashing a credential to like-minded souls to buy peer approval that holds no intrinsic value except as a temporary psychological analgesic.

And Ms. Manji is probably destined to go to her grave still believing Islam is reformable, without such a reform in Islam ever having happened (because in reality Islam can NOT be reformed).

Posted by: pythagoras at April 10, 2007 2:35 PM

Robert

Points taken. As an aside, I don't take it as an insult when someone calls me 'right-wing', since I plead guilty, although I do agree with the need for Left and Right to unite against this threat. Although I didn't see any criticism as such, unless of course you think that being called right-wing is a slur. She had that headline, which linked back to the DhimmiWatch thread in question.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at April 10, 2007 2:35 PM

IP:

I take it in context.

Cordially
Robert Spencer

Posted by: jihadwatch at April 10, 2007 2:37 PM

You really can't reason with apologists. There's just no way it can be done. They'll either change their minds on their own, or not at all. There is no argument or mountain of evidence that will convince them, because this isn't about facts or logic, this is more about dogma and emotion. If it's the Official Truth, it must be true. If it feels good, it must be true. Reason has nothing to do with it.

Posted by: Jesus Christ Supercop at April 10, 2007 2:49 PM

Of all the smears, this picture of a lynching in the 1950s is the worst I've seen. I hope Secure Undisclosed Locationville's security is not lagging, because the next step after character assassination is well...you know what it is Robert.

Posted by: wrathofasma at April 10, 2007 3:21 PM

Right wing - Personal freedom rather than theocratic authoritarianism? Full equality for women everywhere? Freedom of speech? Freedom of association? Freedom of religion? Right to keep and bear arms? Gee, if those are right wing values, guess I'm right wing too!

Posted by: MP at April 10, 2007 3:35 PM

This is the same 4 name wonder Umar Ibn Ivan Lee who has a chip on his shoulder for everyone in the world and he decided to be Mohammed Ali in his dreams and failed and Malcolm X in fantasy and failed so he started his own utopia blog to intellectually try and beat people with words.

Farakhan crawled out of the same petri dish spewing the same diatribes. Mr. Lee is a person uncomfortable in his own skin, an anarchist type at heart and uses the bully to manipulate and get things done.

He is plainly Hillary Clinton in a Muslim dress, an Islamic thug.

Posted by: Lame Cherry at April 10, 2007 3:38 PM

Everytime I think of Apologists for Islam, I think of the continuing debate over reform. I consider Islam much like Tammany Hall in New York.
Let me put off the history of Tammany Hall to Wikipedia, except to say that it was the seat of Democratic Party corruption in NYC until Fiorello LaGuardia became mayor.

Before Tammany Hall could be reformed, it had to be acknowledged that it was corrupt. How can an organization be reformed if nobody will admit that it needs cleaning up? No Republican could eradicate the corruption from a Democratic Party club. It was LaGuardia, a Democrat who cleaned house. Tammany Hall finally was diminished to nonexistance in the 1960s. Islam must be cleaned up from within, and that will not happen until it is forced, much like the public forced the removal of the Tammany Hall denizens as a political force.

The Tammany Hall apologists, just like their Islamic brethren, were themselves corrupt.

Posted by: Pelayo at April 10, 2007 3:38 PM

A slight correction to Lame Cherry regarding Calypso Louie Farrakhan. It was not a Petri dish from which he emerged. Louis is the embodiment of scrapings from the fingernails of nose-picking children left to mould in an old pickle jar on the shelf of an abandoned store in Detroit. From this amalgam of dirt, nasal excretions and bacteria plus some high-energy laser pulses from the Mother Ship, Louis Farrakhan was made.

Posted by: Schratboy at April 10, 2007 3:57 PM

"You really can't reason with apologists"

...try listening to them on radio or tv....makes your skin crawl and pumps up your blood pressure....

...you must force yourself to listen to them...make notes on who and what they praise....you will begin to see the enemy...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at April 10, 2007 4:03 PM

There is a difference between an apologist and a jihadist. One is a useful idiot and the other is a piranha. The useful idiot expects to get into heaven by showing how non-discriminatory they are. They carry the weight of every human transgression on their sholders, and believe that only they can right the mythical wrongs. They believe the we must suffer for the alleged sins of our ancestors and will bend over backward to make it so.

Umar Lee is a piranha.

Posted by: Pelayo at April 10, 2007 4:21 PM

Robert,

Your strategy is exactly right. Don't even think about changing it. Stick to the facts. Keep on solid ground. Keep hammering the facts home. Slowly, eventually, more and more people will 'get it'. When they do, they will depend on you and will help you to spread the word. We all need to be reading from the same page. Our weapon is the truth, and you are leading this army. God bless you and keep you.

Posted by: hasvfidra at April 10, 2007 4:44 PM

I finally figured out what "race" the dominant terroristic Muslims are:

The Race to Extinction.

Courtesy of the Killer Koran's psychopathic suras (9:5; 9:29-30, et al).

(The Shi'ite minority might be considered a parallel subset: The Race to Oblivion.)

How "bigoted" of anyone to notice.

Posted by: profitsbeard at April 10, 2007 5:12 PM

Robert,

You do a great job, and a fantastic service to the world. Profitsbeard has it right - Islam is a RACE to oblivion.

Fjordman has been making good points all along, especially with reference to Europe and their race to get rid of their baggage...normally called Western Civilization. Good luck to them as they become the latest dhimmis.

Regards,

Posted by: spinoneone at April 10, 2007 5:19 PM

You can't expect to make nice-nice with Muslims who fear that their actual and sworn duty to establish Sharia Law around the globe has been let out of the bag by a series of obstinate and sometimes scholarly infidels. I make no bones about -- I trust no Muslim as far as I can swing a cat, because even the so-called "moderate" ones have an agenda that I don't adhere to -- and that's being a Muslim.

Plain and simple, the best and only remedy that I can foresee that will ultimately save the United States, is telling it like it is, and proving that Islam is incompatible with American Democracy, can not ever be trusted so cease the jihad, and certainly does not have history on its side in any regard when it comes to human rights, equal rights, slavery (which continues to this day), cowardice, torture, ignorance, illiteracy, greed, sloth, hubris and on and on and on.

I will never support or acknowledge that Islam has a right to exist in my country. To do that would be the ultimate sell-out.

Sure, Muslims might forge a path to true secularization of Islam, and fool a lot of people into accepting them here in the U.S., but nobody should ever doubt that I will be watching and waiting and ready to start shouting from the rooftops at a moment's notice even if such an unlikely day should ever unfold. Massive lies are the worst kind, because safety numbers allows the worst crimes hidden behind the veneer of a "true religion" that is anything but.

Muhammad lied. Get over it, folks.

It's going to be World War, anyway you cut, it's already started and it's just going to get worse.

Posted by: Foehammer at April 10, 2007 6:05 PM

The original Umar was one of Mohammads companions/henchmen. He apparently was one tough character, and according to the story, I get the impression that Mohammad was afraid of Umar.

This Umar is not quite that tough and uses a keyboard as a sword.
Even if, If, if, RS is proven wrong on some point, whats wrong with Islam, is still intact. Islam will not become a shining beacon of truth, morality or peace, no matter what RS says, or if he is right or wrong. Whats wrong with Islam, does not rise and fall with RS, or Ann Coulter.
Whats wrong with Islam, is actually pretty easy to figure out if you do some homework. Or even just come to JW/DW and read articles and posts. It not surprising that there would be muslims popping up to chalange RS, what is also not surprising, is that all of them are poorly equipped to do so.

Posted by: duh_swami at April 10, 2007 6:10 PM

duh_swami wrote:

"Whats wrong with Islam, is actually pretty easy to figure out if you do some homework. Or even just come to JW/DW and read articles and posts. It not surprising that there would be muslims popping up to chalange RS, what is also not surprising, is that all of them are poorly equipped to do so."

--

Not so difficult to understand how they are so ill-equipped to handle Robert really. R. Spencer is a scholar, knows the Koran better than every Muslim I've seen him debate and keeps his cool. Those two facts alone always seem to ignite the fuming Muslims who really find only one path open to them for self-expression that isn't condemned, and that is righteous anger. That's why crowds of Muslims are so scary to behold. You pen up all your frustrations, have little or no sex, no music, no dance, no bacon and you see how long it is before you get a serious chip on your shoulder, too.

The other thing that Islamists have to face is their own doubts. It's impossible for them to continually run into the information that's swarming bookstores and the Internet and not secretly wonder if perhaps, just perhaps, they've steered down the wrong track in life. When I come flat out and call their cult a lie, they might hate me, some effortlessly so, but I guarantee that the smartest ones take a step back and wonder how I can be so audacious and direct, so fearless to confront them with such blasphemy and yet I never blink or recant. The thinkers are the ones that reach apostasy.

Even the most terrible lie can be hammered to pieces given enough deliberate taps. Sure, they can make martyrs of some of us, threaten and try to terrorize the rest, but the fact is, that the United States has a history of "dragon-slaying", and as far as I can see, Islam is just one more beast that needs a new necktie.

Posted by: Foehammer at April 10, 2007 6:18 PM

So, the original Umar was Mohammed's Luca Brazi.

Posted by: Pelayo at April 10, 2007 6:31 PM

MP sez:

'Right wing - Personal freedom rather than theocratic authoritarianism? Full equality for women everywhere? Freedom of speech? Freedom of association? Freedom of religion? Right to keep and bear arms? Gee, if those are right wing values, guess I'm right wing too!'

You nailed it! It is pathetic what 'enlightened' leftturds are doing. It starts with Bill Clinton going on a speaking tour in the ME where he proclaims the 'Mohammed cartoons should have not been printed because they offend peoples sensitiviets'- and then comes home with millions of dollars his pocket. But what's worse is that the cartoons were NEVER printed anywhere in the US by those progressive, sensitive folks from the media who are so quick to call us 'right-wing' No it doesn't end here. But if we don't get organized and do something about it then it could very well be the end of freedom as we know it. This whole thing has gone too far already.

I've had a gutful of these basturds (misspelling intended) twisting & distorting facts, misrepresenting the obvious, and their slander against anyone who has kept his faculty intact.

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at April 10, 2007 6:32 PM

Thoughts After Reading the debate
between Andy McCarthy and Mansoor Ijaz

Carefully reasoned, seasoned with a large dash
of knowledge and armed with power of the cross,
Andy wields a mighty weapon.

And here comes Mansoor, slithering,
and whining:
if you would only respect us,
let us control your spy agencies,
your armies,(and how about your government,
we just love your system
but we'd like to change
a few teeny things . . .)

And while we take over,
how about helping us
change our religion and politics?
No one's been able to do it
for 1400 years, but hey,
you Americans can do anything,
right?

Now Mansoor,
who do you think you are?
telling us we have to help you.
Mohammedans are not our masters,
mohammed is not our prophet,
nor is allah our god.
Mohammedans have to reform themselves.
Ultimately, islam is responsible
for its own evolution (or not).

I think Mansoor, mr. moderate,
you are a brother in the hood,
but you don't like it, do you?
something deep inside you
grows, perhaps it is the seed of good.
Or maybe its just the jinn again.

Posted by: the poetess at April 10, 2007 8:33 PM

Keep up with the valiant, brilliant work, Mr Robert Spencer.

Posted by: ewha1 at April 10, 2007 8:42 PM

It's a bit pathetic to read people who discriminate, cry about being discriminated against.

From they way they take credit for achievements. You would think they should have been the ones to figure out how to get to the Moon. It must anger them realizing that Sub-Humans took their knowledge and actually accomplished something with it.

Lets see, did we take their Algebra and use it to figure out the world was really ROUND. Built boats and figured out how to bypass Islam all together.

Nobody pointed out that the picture shows how things were in the past. The Racial pictures of today show White people hanging from Bridges burned to a crisp. With all these Brown Muslim People dancing around them with happy faces. Like White People have a Monopoly on racism.

Posted by: flowerknife_us at April 10, 2007 9:36 PM

Are these fools still on the long-discredited race-bait card???

Islam is not a race...period.

That was the lamest, and funniest (and continues to be) load of garbage I've ever seen...lol.

Posted by: jcom972 at April 10, 2007 10:29 PM

I just wanted to make a few comments about Mansoor Ijaz. 10-01 he started appearing on The Factor. Bill said to him "Listen I'm not going to have some Northern Alliance guy tell me..." Mansoor was in the Northern Alliance then. He had my antennas up! Then Daniel Pearl gets killed. Mansoor on Factor saying he introduced Daniel Pearl to his killers. He said he told Daniel not to go. Before you know it Mansoor now was called Fox News annalist! Seems he no longer fought for the Northern Alliance. He seemed to be grouping into the way of the west living and I guess he has been here since. I have looked and kept some track of him since 9-11. I always wondered his interest!

Posted by: MZ at April 10, 2007 10:32 PM

Mansoor is a creep. Put another way, Mansoor is a Unicorn, a walking taking internal contradiction of something that cannot possibly exist.

An inactivist, but a true believer.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at April 10, 2007 11:29 PM

Have you checked out the referenced "The Human Trumpet Solo" postings? Earnest, thoughtful ramblings. The kind of message The Dark Side needs to hear so that it can sink into the cracks and tiny fissures. (The vitriolic fury tends to just bounce off.)

Thank you Robert for your tremendous service. As much as the copious volume of work itself, your steady ability to keep cool is something to be admired.

Posted by: lycaste at April 11, 2007 2:34 AM

"Umar" or "Omar" was the 2nd Caliph after Muhammed's death, the first Caliph being Abu Bakr, Aeisha's father. Anyway, "Omar" was a notorious misogynist and is responsible for a lot of the horrible ways Islamic women are treated being codified into Shar'ia law after Muhammed's death. Even Aeisha said, "I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women." (Quote appears on p.71 of Robert's book, "The Truth About Muhammed" which I'm reading right now.) After which Robert writes: "And they continue to suffer."

I would e-mail "Umar," which you can do, and tell him to go live in an Islamic country, the hypocrite, but then he'd have my e-mail address which I don't want.

Posted by: darcy at April 11, 2007 10:49 AM

Spencer, and then lycaste above, recommend we read the comments of a commenter from Umar's thread named "The Human Trumpet Solo".

I just checked. There is no commenter named "The Human Trumpet Solo". Apparently Umar deleted his comments. Wonder why?

Posted by: remote_control at April 11, 2007 10:56 AM

remote control,

The trumpet's posts are under the thread about the Spencer/D'Souza debate.

Regards,

awake

Posted by: awake at April 11, 2007 11:45 AM

Thanks awake; I've read them. Unfortunately, he's not a Muslim, so it's likely few Muslims would bother to take him seriously.

Posted by: remote_control at April 11, 2007 12:28 PM