Wow! You gonna make some enemies, boy. Especially since its shockingly true. The destruction of democracy in the West and its replacement with Corporate Fascism cheerfully painted in the rainbow colors of the One-Worldism began in European 'Union' and is spreading to America which now has de facto open borders. All the important decisions in both Europe and U.S. are made outside the democratic process by bureacrats and ideologues drunk on power and Saudi money. We must find them and name them and fight them.

Posted by: poetcomic1 at April 12, 2007 12:56 PM

poetcomic1

how can u fight that kind of power?

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at April 12, 2007 1:14 PM

"keeping jihadists off US soil."

How do we do that without keeping all Muslims off US soil? Not only are our borders unguarded, our gates are still wide open.
We refuse to admit that on September 10 most of the hijackers were "immigrants" intent on pursuing the American dream.
The fact remains that every Muslim is considered peaceful until he commits an act of violent jihad. Political correctness, rule of law and freedom of religion allow no other possibility. We cannot judge people by their ethnicity or religion. We can only judge them by their deeds.
Education and telecommunications make it possible for the fomenters of jihad to send their soldiers, in civilian clothes, to the target of choice. We will even teach them what they need to know - in our colleges and flight schools - in order to carry out more sophisticated attacks. They can wait for the right moment in which to strike, secure in the knowledge that American values will allow them to pursue their own ends unhindered by police and free of harassment. To do otherwise would be a violation of their civil rights.
As for our schools being vulnerable, that is nothing new. Remember Columbine? Once again, that is the price we pay for freedom. The school, the mall, the church, the synagogue are all vulnerable to attack by people with no respect or regard for human life or human freedom. We have to choose our priorities. Do we want freedom or safety? We may find we can no longer have both.

Posted by: PMK at April 12, 2007 1:18 PM

You almost have to usurp the authorities and do the surveillance, yourselves. How can we count on people like Nancy Pelosi and the other fellatrices of the traitor classes? On the one hand, our President is a clueless dupe, and on the other, the rat party wishes to sell us out completely.

Posted by: Jauhara Al-Kafirah at April 12, 2007 1:18 PM

The Far Left and socialist/anarchist protectorates like the ACLU are fundamentally at work to keep our borders porous and weaken the body of America. Unfortunately, our politicians are not much different from the ACLU -- too many of them are concerned first with their own agendas and second with the welfare of the United States people as a whole. For the ACLU it's all about the 'individual' right over the welfare of the majority, and for the politicians it's all about THEIR 'individual' prestige and power over the welfare of the majority of Americans. They aren't very different types of animals in the end result.

Multiculturalism must be denounced. The American Culture must be uplifted. In order to do this we have to 1) formally hold English as the official language of the USA and enforce the learning of it by anyone that seriously wishes to be called an American

2) protect our borders with troops (with loaded guns) and not just hirelings -- if it's good enough for Korea, why isn't it good enough for our own damn nation?

3) close the immigration lanes to all Muslims.

4) revoke all Visas for Muslim students -- why the hell are we strengthening our proven enemies?

5) Build a WALL on the Southern Border. It doesn't cost that much -- shave some funds off the overpriced price tags on Congress if we have to. I think they can take one less vacation each year.

6) No money for Palestinians. Ever.

7) No money for Egypt.

8) Attack Iran and destroy its nuclear future. Weaken the regime and help the Persians retake their heritage and their nation. None of this requires a ground invasion.

9) Give the keys to the kingdom to Iraq after Iran is no longer a threat. If Syria is flexing muscle before we're ready to leave, nail them to the ground, too. Then pull our troops out except for key military bases that should be retained for emergency use and security for the region and our own interests.

10) Work harder to establish stronger ties with Russia. If we can bring the Russians on board as a true ally, the Muslim power in the world will diminish overnight.

11) Pull China further towards capitalism. Enforce piracy laws.

12) Marginalize the Islamic world whenever possible. This will eventually allow the USA to finally enter Africa in places like Darfur and gain the trust of the majority of that continent that is suffering at the hands of janjaweed, etc. This can't happen for a few years yet, but it would be a smart move to make strong allies there -- we have more of a claim to true African roots as Americans than most nations ever will and this will continue to build trust between both continents.

13) There's more, but I think I've made enough points for now. I'm repeating myself anyway.

Posted by: Foehammer at April 12, 2007 1:23 PM

Build a WALL on the Southern Border. It doesn't cost that much...

Foehammer,

NJ builds sound walls along the interstates for a cost of a million dollars per mile.

Why can't we use landmines?

Posted by: PMK at April 12, 2007 1:38 PM

Those in Power have chosen to appease and eventually embrace Islamic supremacy in hopes of holding onto power and prestige.

Our only hope for freedom is insurrection by the people and a killing off the political correctness movement or Or those in the military rereading the oaths of office they too when they joined service and move to do what they did in Iraq here in the USA and return the country to the people.

Im not in the physical condition to fight for my freedom , but I will be soon.

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at April 12, 2007 1:47 PM

Foehammer you are right on target.

If I may add one more often-mentioned point to your to-do list:

Energy Independence. At least find ways to maintain our needs without having to rely on Middle East Oil. Which ties into strengthenoing ties with Africa. Most of the Nigerian oil is in Christian regions of the country. We can drill offshore and in Alaska. I also like the emnvironment but why save Alaska for the moslems? Instead of using what we have now - for ourselves?

Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 12, 2007 2:02 PM

In a free society, we must be responsible for ourselves. We can only expect so much of our government.
I live in Ohio and have a concealed carry permit. If threatened, I will defend myself and my loved ones. The powers that be may not see just cause. In that case, I hope I have informed citizens on the jury. I hope it never happens.
But I would rather my 'enemy' live in fear. I do not.

Posted by: xqqme at April 12, 2007 2:08 PM

Warnings of school attacks? More like inviting school attacks. What better way to destroy a country than to systematically kill its children. Absolutely despicable filth.
“Democrats Invite Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood Leader and Muslim Brotherhood MPs to Congress”
http://www.thememriblog.org/blog_personal/en/1181.htm
These islamocrats should be tried and punished severely via the Logan Act and then deported to the ME, you know that’s what they want so why not give them their wish. If the repubs don’t, it will be obvious they are dangerously clueless as well as useless.

Posted by: tgusa at April 12, 2007 2:11 PM

I don't know if I have pasted this link correctly but this commentary explains how we are not only over the "oil barrel" of the saudis fuel wise, but our whole economic monetary system is in the saudi's hands. Iran and Venezuala are starting to accept payment for their oil only in euros. The sauds will follow. Our economy is going to go south in a big hurry! Help, Foehammer, Help! Foehammer for President, Hugh for Vice Pres!!

http://hallindsey.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=127&Itemid=1

Posted by: fedupinamerica at April 12, 2007 2:22 PM

“Democrats Invite Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood Leader and Muslim Brotherhood MPs to Congress”

Do you have any idea which of the Dhimmicrats did this? Is it the Keith "Hakim" Ellison/Ted "The Red" Kennedy faction?

Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 12, 2007 2:22 PM

Foehammer..

We should also forbid any foreign monies supporting the building of mosks and "clutural centers".

And we should begin to tally up the amounts we seek in reparations and from whom. Then lay the legal groundwork to claim these reparations in the various "internationl courts" as well as in our own. This will at least have a chilling effect of moslems buying up too much over here. It could all become subject to reparations claims in the future.

Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 12, 2007 2:29 PM

No sir, it’s a secret. Shhhh. But you can do your own calculations, just close your eyes and pin the tail on the donkey.

Posted by: tgusa at April 12, 2007 2:29 PM

Mr. Davis, You are correct and it is not an accident that CBS is preparing America for "terrorist" attacks in Jericho and The Unit featured a Beslan event this past week.

The problem is not calling all in the kettle black to fudge a phrase. President Bush with open borders is dealing with economic concerns to keep America from slipping into a great depression which was intended by the 9 11 attacks and the stopped nuclear attacks as al Qaeda had several bombs on US soil meant to detonate in the later weeks of September.

This vast intelligence community is good and bad, but it is adept at tracking exactly what is going on in the terrorist cells in America. The reason certain cells are not arrested is it is easier to keep track of them than look for new ones which can slip in bombs past the network.

The reason 9 11 happened is that Clinton people were not sharing information and had intended to make a grand bust of the Atta operation in order to embarrass the Bush Administration, but they "lost" the terrorists and the attack happened.

Yes there are communist and globalist elements in the intelligence community with Rockefeller agendas. Marc Rich and his money laundering in Saddam's UN oil deals just did not happen without support from certain elements working against US interests inside the United States.
In stating that, for ever bad person with dictatorial interests there are numbers of wonderful agents in our government working their tails off and in danger every day. They cuss blue streaks when "agents" plant stories in the New York Times or when information is "shared" with Russia and it ends up in al Qaeda's hands.

I would submit though the "cowboys" are not off the rails and are balancing a number of issues trying to keep Americans in jobs and their cars filled with gas along with protecting them from domestic and foreign terrorists.

In that the United States ceased being a Republican form of government under FDR socialism. It regressed at that point to a fascism under Eisenhower swayed to mob ruled socialism under Kennedy and Johnson, became more socialist under Nixon and Carter, ascended for a time under Reagan to Republicanism, but has now become engrained complete in a communist doctrine of the welfare state in government scale worldwide jobs.

It is not fascism, but communism which is being pushed by the globalists as they created it under Marx and intend to utilize it to plunder the world and enslave all people. Islam is but a proxy for the effort to bleed off resources for the final Bolshevik push.

I will not submit that a Beslan would not occur in America, but Beslans. The problem though for the globalists is that after 9 11 those types of events only arm Americans to the teeth more and make them more proactive in striking.
"Beslan" might be used to force a President to nuke Iran, but the purpose of that is to dry up oil supply which the Bolshevik Russians want.

I do not have my children in public schools in the first place nor allow them in malls as those places are the last place young minds should be.

Posted by: Lame Cherry at April 12, 2007 2:32 PM

al-Qaeda operates in over 90 countries worldwide. Islam is virtually ubiquitous today. Wherever there is a mosque there are almost certainly links to the global jihad war (and 'terrorism'). Therefore, what America is now facing is not merely a crisis of our republic -- it is a global crisis. Of course, that won't make anyone feel any better, nor should it.

As we have all seen now for ourselves in media items from all over the world (over and over again) human life means absolutely nothing in Islam. NOTHING! Only those who have failed to investigate the Kuran's teachings would dare to dispute that fact and such disputes are largely limited to those leaning to the left end of the political spectrum (which unfortunately amounts to a substantial percentage of the world's population).

America MUST expect a Beslan-type of attack (which could well be imminent). But Americans must also expect ANY kind of attack from jihadists as we are dealing with ISLAM which dictates (through the teachings of the Kuran) that non-Muslims be massacred "everywhere they are found." Needless to say, Muslims believe what the Kuran teaches!

Yes, the US government IS indeed guilty of criminal negligence...for permitting ISLAM TO BE PRACTICED ON US SOIL. It is well and truly astounding that our politicans (and those arounsd the world) didn't know any better. And, that is how this nightmare of jihad on American soil came into existence. If we hadn't permitted Muslims to come here there would be no jihad on US soil. So the US government IS of course to blame (to restate the matter).

As said, the criminal negligence of the United States govermment is widely shared by all governments that have permitted Muslims to come into their countries and practice Islam. All such governments have opened the doors to the mass murdering of their citizenry by Islam and its followers. And if they didn't know it then, they sure as hell know it now.

Posted by: pythagoras at April 12, 2007 2:35 PM

No sir, it’s a secret. Shhhh. But you can do your own calculations, just close your eyes and pin the tail on the donkey.

Posted by: tgusa

What if the tail ends up pinned on an ass.. er donkey.. like Dhimya?

Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 12, 2007 2:36 PM

I have said it before and I will say it again, I don’t care if they are related to George Washington himself, I am an AMERICAN first last and always. When I am dead and buried I will still be an American and proud of it. I wouldn’t have it any other way.

Posted by: tgusa at April 12, 2007 2:42 PM

I hate to be the pessimist, but I'm afraid the only way you "fight it" is when human nature takes over...survial mode, natural selection, survival of the fittest or whatever one chooses to call it. And I believe that mode will only kick in after the worst is allowed to happen.

No doubt, after Al Queda delivers their promised major blow things will be different. Who knows in what form. It may be as benign as U.S. Army Martial Law, or it may be a single leader who does what has to be done and history remembers as a dictator. But I have no doubt that after that something big happens people wont have the luxury of thinking internment camps and mass deportations are poticially incorrect. Gonna be a lot of vacant mosques for sale in the US too so its a good thing they already look like Casinos with those funny domes on top, lol.

Posted by: GreatShaitan at April 12, 2007 2:53 PM

The Berlin Wall fell but Communism didn't. Europe was always infested with them and there was nothing left to keep the rest out when the Wall fell down. The Wall fell and they changed their name.

McCarthy was right. Proof there of lives in Hollywood today. Hollywood is just the tip of the Iceberg. The Diamond on the top of the Pyramid of their Classless society. It has spider ed itself within all the Houses of Communication.

The Idea of sameness runs full stream from the Cradle through College. The "National Service" bill will come next. Adding another 4 years of their clawing ways.

When the BBC will not show a documentary about a National Hero, condemned its own country in a time of crises, while willingly making a spectacle of their own Troops held captive, is prime example of how deep the infection lies.

Not that PBS really wishes to show both sides of much either. But they need to start somewhere when it needs to be kicked up a notch.

When the truth breaks through to the Bamboozled, progress may begin.

The whole issue of being able to trust a Muslim with regards to Infidels, is the issue of trust.

If the Koran says you can lie to an Infidel with impunity, suffer no loss as a result of such actions. Then there is no grounds by which a relationship could be founded on.

If this be true within Islam. then focus on it, and it alone. Make the Muslim prove that he is not lying to you, the Infidel. Force them to say they love you so you know the truth of what they speak.

Use the Prophets own words to sow the seeds of Islams deceit into the eyes of the bamboolzed. Free them from the classless servitude they suffer under.

Just expect to be called a lot of foul names in the process. When the truth can't be answered the lies shall lay as Rugs. One of the few things Arabs seem to be good at. Ironic isn't it?

Posted by: flowerknife_us at April 12, 2007 3:15 PM

We elect our governments to protect us, So when will they start?. Open borders invite open hunting season. Open borders are fixable. Close them to all but investigated AND trusted individuals.

New lets get real. Murderers will come into our countries because we cannot name the enemy. At all costs we will not name the enemy.

The far left Liberals and PCs do not believe in serious preventive measures.

Some of us will have to die first.

Posted by: sounder at April 12, 2007 3:23 PM

The crisis in the Republic must be laid at the feet of those whose watch it is. It must also be laid at the feet of the citizens themselves.

The US First Amendment ensures that all have the right to of their personal beliefs while at the same time being free from beliefs imposed from outside. The attacks of 9/11 were an assault by proponents of a belief system that has nothing to do with human rights as such rights are understood in the West. So what has been done by the present US administration to defend Americans against this threat?

Well, we see the institution of the colored terror codes -red, orange, yellow, blue and green-for which unspecified threats are announced and for which no action is required by the citizenry aside from increased vigilance for something or other. Anyone else feeling paranoid?

The administration also supported the portlands mamagement takeover bid by interests in Dubai. Of course, we were reassured, we can trust the good folks in Dubai. Forget the fact that money supporting the 9/11 terrorists was funneled through Dubai or that UAE aircraft were seen in Osama Bin Laden's compound.

The administration quixotically launched the invasion of Iraq. Of course, Saddam's access to WMDs could not be tolerated, but even if one doesn't believe that external examiners were enough, why does the US and its coalition partners need to stay in Iraq so long after the WMD justification has been found to be empty?

There's also the issue of Saudi investments in the West and the undesirable influence of their money. This influence continues during the watch of this adminstration, this Democratice Congress, just as it happened with the preceding Republican Congress.

Posted by: Chatillon at April 12, 2007 3:27 PM

@Allahfanculo (and others above):

"We should also forbid any foreign monies supporting the building of mosks and "clutural centers."

--

Most certainly, but I left off many other items. For instance, if we can manage to at least take the steps of shutting off Muslim immigration, we can then focus our attention here to the Muslims that already call themselves citizens. (Any Muslim not a citizen or within 5 years of becoming one should be immediately deported unless damn good reasons are given for why an exception should be made, including a meticulous background check.)

Attention to the Islam that exists in America is critical. I've stated before that there are only three possible choices -- appeal for apostasy, address true Islamic reform and make it happen or outlaw Islam altogether and give Muslim Americans as few choices as Islamists throughout history have given to dhimmis.

Most of you know where I come down on this part. Outlawing Islam is the hard road, but it's the safest. It's the surest. It's the logical defense against an ideological enemy that will never vanish entirely regardless. The breadth of Islam has spanned too far to ever be completely rid of it. Even the marginalized Marxists, Nazis and KKK still exist and believe they are destined to return to power somewhere.

But outlawing Islam in the USA would still be a better defense than any other I can think of. I'd rather offend 7-15 million (I'm generalizing) Americans with ties and sympathies for Islam in the next decade, then to wake up 20 years from now and look back at the deaths of equal amounts of Americans because we continued to appease and nurture the snakes in our own backyards. Just look at the problems India has endured, continues to endure. There's simply no reasoning with Islamists. They will always strive to bring Islamic power to the top no matter what, no matter how, no matter how often they need to murder, because it is endorsed by Islam and the Qur'an, by the deeds of Muhammad and by living fatwas around the globe from dozens of mullahs.

One way or the other the domestic Islam problem will have to be addressed. I just am still hopeful that our leaders snap out of their fat, greedy, groggy stupor soon and do what necessary. Otherwise all of us will have no choice but to wrest power from such betrayers of the most solemn oaths. Defense of this nation is paramount and political correctness be-damned, we will have to start making tougher choices and seeing them through.

It's not as if the Revolution was a popular decision back in the day, but look where it got us.

Posted by: Foehammer at April 12, 2007 3:28 PM

"The vague, ill-named “war on terror” amounts to a titanic power grab by the national security establishment in the service of its own – rather than the nation’s – interests".

This is a legitimate concern. The failure to control borders, to control immigration, the coddling of so-called "civil rights" groups such as the CAIR-Bund, are a recipe for an eventual terror attack and an attempt to stampede Americans toward a police state. I would not be surprised if there are non-Muslims who are smiling at the prospect of such a National Security State and saying "go CAIR, go". Such fascists might even be in CAIR. However, Americans are very ornery and a really a well-armed and anti-authoritarian group (especially the political right in America-which is not like the authoritarian Euro right. The American right is anti-authoritarian, its extreme being libertarianism.).

Americans are demanding border enforcement and end to the coddling of Muslim-fascists because Americans do not want a police state here. That is a big concern here and Gregory M. Davis is voicing that. However, another attack is going to find Americans very angry at the government and demanding border enforcement. America is not going to buy the National Security State.

But I'm not so sure that Europe will not eventually go fascist because of the coddling of Muslims. It is quite possible that there are some in Europe who want that and are using Muslims for their agenda. Hitler predicted, shortly before his death, that in 100 years from his death, the world would witness rebirth of Nazism in Europe, the triumph of Nazism in Europe. A fascist Western Europe is going to be anti-American, it will be a menace to America.

Posted by: Frank at April 12, 2007 3:32 PM

Greg:

You could have summed it up in 2 words, but this segment will suffice. Few understand the frustration more than those of us expected to fight this cancerous epidemic under unbelievably restrictive and outright insane conditions.

Welcome to the wonderful world of poltical correctness.

Posted by: jcom972 at April 12, 2007 3:43 PM

Were we officially engaged in a war with islamists when Bush was elected the first time? Do you think he is King George, darn it he can’t even fire a goldbricking attorney w/o all manner of finger pointing. Donkeys in this country have hi jacked the entire guvment (with the assistance of some spineless elephants) and the will of the people through lies and corruption as well as embraced the islamists and even elected and prayed with them. Can you name one donkey that hasn’t committed a criminal act of some sort? I can’t, it seems to be in their DNA. Would you rather have had agor, scarry, how bout keffia dean or hijab peloshia? Join the Minutemen or some other Org and fight the islamists and maybe, just maybe we will get somewhere. The only things GWB is guilty of is believing the BS (ROP) that has been fed to him by islamists in the guvment as well as not packing up or partitioning iraq after we got saddam and sons inc, he’s just too compassionate for todays violent world. And don’t tell me about illegal immigration, I live on the battlefront and it has been going on for decades completely ignored or in many cases supported (see sanctuary cities). The problem is they don’t stay there, there are few jobs in leftard cities so it eventually spills over into neighboring communities. I mow my own lawn and clean my own house and I do a darn good job of it. I for one have refused to do jobs in these sanctuaries for at least 15 years if they call I tell them no chance no matter how much you offer me for my services. I would not purchase so much as a tic tac in one of these cities. It is no coincidence the islamists have taken up residence in these sanctuaries. Do you think these islamists have sprung up since 911? News flash, there are consequences to doing the wrong things in the past. As they say the butcher’s bill will be paid if not today, then tomorrow. That’s my opinion and I’m sticking to it.

jcom972, many of us are fully aware the pressure you are under, the founding fathers would have been very proud to serve alongside you.

Posted by: tgusa at April 12, 2007 3:51 PM

"keeping jihadists off US soil."

PMK:
How do we do that without keeping all Muslims off US soil? Not only are our borders unguarded, our gates are still wide open.

That is exactly what you do.
You keep all Muslims off US soil.
You cannot tell when any given Muslim is going to become "jihadist", therefore you shut them all out.

See here
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/006854.html
where it says

Separationism

I subscribe to the now tiny but, I believe, some-day-to-be prevalent Separationist School of Western-Islamic Relations. We separationists affirm the following:

Islam is a mortal threat to our civilization.

But we cannot destroy Islam.

Nor can we democratize Islam.

Nor can we assimilate Islam.

Therefore the only way to make ourselves safe from Islam is to separate ourselves from Islam.

The fact remains that every Muslim is considered peaceful until he commits an act of violent jihad. Political correctness, rule of law and freedom of religion allow no other possibility.

You have missed several things:

1) The Quran, the Hadith, the Sira already contain elements that mandates Muslims to totalitarism and encourages violence to non-Muslims. Given that, how can you let any of them "in"?

2) Islam differs from other religions.
Islam is both a religion and a political movement. Unlike Christianity, it makes no distinction between State and the Religion.
And Islam mandates the taking over a State and making sure that non-Muslims are subject to Sharia law. So Islam is totalitarian.
Islam is not political correct.
Islam opposes any other choice of religion (and if you doubt that - please explain why other religions are not permitted in OIC countries).
Given that, how can you let any of them "in" ?

We cannot judge people by their ethnicity or religion.

You cannot judge people by their ethnicity.
You can judge people by their religion.
If their religion calls for the destruction of non-Muslims if they do not convert to Islam or pay the Jizra tax - why cant you judge that?

We can only judge them by their deeds.

So if I founded a brand new religion and wrote a Holy Book which calls for the systematic murder of all those who will not become members - that is okay is it?

Sounds to me like you have not taken the trouble to read what their religion commands them.

To do otherwise would be a violation of their civil rights.

And if they wish to impose their religion and then afterwards deny other Americans their civil rights, is that okay?

Posted by: UK Infidel Lover at April 12, 2007 3:54 PM

No more Muslim "students" or "refugees".

And deport those here illegally (overstayed visas, etc.).

Until this rational response to the threat begins, we are being betrayed by our own government officials who, while they have sworn to "uphold and defend" the nation, are more actively undermining and destroying our country- and the West.

Posted by: profitsbeard at April 12, 2007 4:08 PM

Interesting ideas Foehammer. I also like your web site.

Posted by: Brenda S. at April 12, 2007 4:11 PM

Fed up yet?

Here's a ray of hope ...

http://www.teamtancredo.com/

Posted by: LoneRanger at April 12, 2007 4:12 PM

When I read this story several weeks back I spoke to my daughter about it. She said the school and the bus company were spending so much time on the issue she was sick of hearing it. So at least I know they're taking it seriously.

Since then I have seen an unusual number of fighter jets at all different times of the day, anyone else noticing that as well?

Posted by: gaelen at April 12, 2007 4:12 PM

@Brenda S. : Thanks. I just offer what I consider common sense. I inherited it from my Grandpa. ;)

Posted by: Foehammer at April 12, 2007 4:24 PM

I'm with you LoneRanger. Can't vote for any man that can't keep his vows to his wife.

Posted by: Brenda S. at April 12, 2007 4:26 PM

Did we allow Japanese and Germans, no matter how peaceful, to enter Allied territory in WWII? Of course we didnt. It didnt matter if they were peaceful. And yet now, when we are faced with an enemy that openly abuses the Geneva convention, unlike the Germans and Japanese, we allow in Muslims as if there were no war in progress. The trouble is that if the government acknowledged that we were at war with Muslims, it opens up a whole bag nasties, as no one wants to acknowledge that we are in a religious war again.

If, as we are repeatedly told there is a war on, then the government must acknowledge who we are at war with, and then take the appropriate measures. Its that, or acknowledge that we are at war with a group that moves amongst us, and it is our responsibility to defend ourselvres and the nation as best as we can.

This neither here nor there type of warfare, is not the way to carry out warfare, least of all to win such a war.

Posted by: DP111 at April 12, 2007 4:29 PM

I agree with Jauhara above:
'You almost have to usurp the authorities and do the surveillance yourselves'.
Be alert, be watchful, talk to your friends and neighbours, and encourage them to be the same. Always report suspicious persons and activities. (I would say don't be afraid of being made to look silly, but as we have seen with the flying imams vindictive attempts to expose the identities of complainants, they want us to have more than silly to be afraid of).
Remember that prior to 9/11 many people saw and heard things that, even then, made them uneasy, and which with hindsight were clearly highly suspicious. We know more now than they did then, so we must put that knowledge to use.

Posted by: M Al-Content at April 12, 2007 4:30 PM

Remember Bosnia, Yugoslavia? The most multicultural nation in Europe - there were Serbs, Croats, Slovenians, Gypsies, etc Orthodox Christians, Catholics, Muslims etc etc. They were all celebrating the glories of the multicultural party with a great number of fireworks.

And after that wonderful firework display, they have all settled down to that boring old concept of what constitutes a nation state - a common culture and language.
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Ofcourse the best way forward is to stop Muslim immigration, then slowly reverse it. That is the best and most humane way to avoid a civil war whose bloodiness will make the Yugoslavia/Bosnia conflict look like a garden party.

Posted by: DP111 at April 12, 2007 4:31 PM

Tancredo would certainly defend the borders, but does anyone think he can get the nomination?

Posted by: GuitarBob at April 12, 2007 4:36 PM

DP111
I think you hit right on the mark, at some point in the not too distant future, we will be defending ourselves and our nation. Unless our elected leaders in both federal and local governments open their eyes and their minds we will have no other choice.

Posted by: gaelen at April 12, 2007 4:37 PM

Tancredo would make one helluva Defense Secretary.

Posted by: Foehammer at April 12, 2007 4:46 PM

If there is an American Beslan, the problem will be fixed. Not by a bunch of self serving bureaucrats, but the average American. The atmosphere will become so unhealthy for Muslims that they will gladly leave. This is merely a prediction.

When the dust settles so to speak, I hope that after the subsequent election there will be 435 new congressmen an 33 new senators. It will take six years to completely replace the senate.

Posted by: Pelayo at April 12, 2007 4:51 PM

Tancredo would make an even better President, that is if he actually implemented what he says about immigration.

The trouble is that politicians make all sorts of promises, then forget them once in office. Will Tancredo be any different?

I dont think so, as he will be constrained by laws, Senate, Congress etc. Politicians will only do something against the tide, if they are forced to, and that something is happening anyway, so they have no choice but to go along.

Barring a military coup, I see no other way but that the people take the defence of the nation in their own hands. It is worth remembering, that Muslims in the West, and in Islamic lands, are doing precisely that, ie defending and fighting for the Islamic nation and Ummah. They are well organised around the mosque. And that is why our politicians take them seriously, and hurry to the mosque to negotiate and make peace.

Posted by: DP111 at April 12, 2007 4:58 PM

Tancredo? Nomination? No way. I don't think Tancredo will try to make himself lovable to all people, like most politicians. He will be too truthful. At this point, most voters want a liar for president - "Religion of Peace" "Tiny Minority" yada yada yada. The last time there was a "sea change" in US politics, Reagan was elected; that was only after the disaster known as the Carter Administration.

I will say that a guy like Tancredo might be elected only if there is another jihadist strike that is at least equal to 9-11.

Posted by: Pelayo at April 12, 2007 5:00 PM

Pelayo

Maybe thats the reason no terrorist has carried out that kind of attack. It would be hard to advance sharia law in that kind of enviroment.

of course there's no guarantee that Americans will start acting like vigilantes if a Beslan type attack occurred.

Did any Russians retaliate after they had their attack?

Posted by: GuitarBob at April 12, 2007 5:01 PM

Read Roberts, A History of the English-speaking Peoples since 1900, and you will see that the insanity complained of here in one form or another on the part of our administration and the American people in general has been with us since our founding. This is the only culture in which some of its members openly take the side of the enemy!

Lamentably, history teaches that there will be no adequate response to Islam until the American people wake up to it, and this will not happen until there is another strike on our soil. Many here sense this, and it scares the heck out of me.

I ask myself how could we have elected such a large group of losers to Congress? And the president does not know how to lead for now we are taking in 7000 more Iraqui "refugees." Some of these might be Jihadis. :) Gosh, who would uv thunk it?

No, the English speaking peoples will wake up but usually only at the last minute. Will we have such time given the nature of modern weaponry and communications?

I agree with Foehammer!

Posted by: Crusader at April 12, 2007 5:14 PM

"of course there's no guarantee that Americans will start acting like vigilantes if a Beslan type attack occurred."

Hehe..I could reply to that but I'd just get myself in trouble.

Posted by: Foehammer at April 12, 2007 5:14 PM

xqqme posted:
"In a free society, we must be responsible for ourselves. We can only expect so much of our government.
I live in Ohio and have a concealed carry permit. If threatened, I will defend myself and my loved ones. The powers that be may not see just cause. In that case, I hope I have informed citizens on the jury. I hope it never happens.
But I would rather my 'enemy' live in fear. I do not."

For anyone who is unfamiliar with the concept of the informed jury, check this site:

http://www.rightsofthepeople.com/features/articles/fully_informed_jury.html

Posted by: freedomschool at April 12, 2007 5:20 PM

When it comes to fighting islam, both Democrats and Republicans are the powerless. While Democrats will not do so on moral pricipals, the Republicans will not do so on econimic grounds.

Do not vote cast your vote, abstain or vote for some other party.

The only way to stop islamisation in US (or indeed in the UK for that matter) is if we have a military takeover. Preposterous though may it sound, but as long as we live in a democracy and there is UN,islam will gain an ever increasing upper hand.

islam is a chameleon. It changes its colours in a flash - it knows no allegiance, no loyaly and certainly is devoid of any compunction. On top of that muslims are getting savvier by the day and their propoganda machine is getting sophisticated (evidence the utter humiliation of Britain at the hands of supposedly backward iranians - that after the iranains were in the wrong).

People say: wait till the oil runs out, then we'll show them. This again is a pipe dream. islam spread like wildfire in Asia, Africa, the Near East and Easter Europe and gave the Crusaders a bloddy nose (from whose defeat Christians lost their Holy lands for ever to the muslims) long before oil.

And while US and UK are busy spending trillions in iraq, billions in pakistan and millions in palestine, arabs are busy buying into European and American businesses, media and real estate like there was no tomorrow.

arabs are also stuffing our universities with cash. This has made our academia less likely to stand up to islamisation and has made our universities more like recruitment ground for future dhimmies. Many of our universities today has an islamic wing or an islamic study/culture centre. Many muslims also hold high professorships at these places, silently but surely manipulating our media and propogating lies.

Imagine, our future Congressmen, Prime Ministers, Presidents, captains of industries etc are going to come from these universities. If we think our politicians are utterly dhimmified now, wait till these people take our the mad house.

So, muslims have made ample provisions for their jihad that will see them in good sted long after oil runs out.

We can keep on making lists after lists of things that needs to be done to halt arabisation, but as long as there is democracy and the UN, we might just as well wistle in the wind.

Posted by: Hermit at April 12, 2007 5:28 PM

Crusader posted: This is the only culture in which some of its members openly take the side of the enemy!

I think Churchill said something to the effect that England is the only country where the elites openly take the side of the enemy, and that even when victory is gained by the common man, the elites will barter away that victory.

Here is another by Churchill

One day President Roosevelt told me that he was asking publicly for suggestions about what the war should be called. I said at once 'The Unnecessary War'.

If ever there was a war that was unnecessary, this one is, and that it is one of the reasons why it has become so difficult to call to name it properly.

Posted by: DP111 at April 12, 2007 5:29 PM

I am with Foehammer. We need to STOP moslem 'immigration' AND send back to the umma as many as we can rid ourselves of.

I am with the poster who advoctes Separationism.

It's the only thing that will work.

I know what moslems are like. They are more dangerious than zombies. They have many many countries already.. and now they're coming for yours.. and mine.. everyone's..

Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 12, 2007 5:31 PM

The American people, academics and politicians are so infatuated with the dogmas of Diversity and multiculturalism, that they've come to believe that life without a minority living with them, is a life not worth living.

For this reason, neither the United States government or its social engineers can stir themselves to do what is necessary to protect the country from future 9/11s.

Even the very real possibility of Beslan-style atrocities in their schools, and against their own children, by a religion that glorifies such atrocities as doing Gods will, and rewards the perpetrators with eternal happiness, can't seem to uncouple Americans from the bogus dogma that diversity is of such value that it's worth gambling our survival on it.

We gamble everytime we allow a Muslim to immigrate to this country.

We allow Muslim immigration to continue because -- in the clouded minds of the diversity crowed -- they enrich our culture in some unfathomable way. Never mind that Muslims never contributed a single thing of any worth to the building of this great civilization. It's enough that we just mindlessly accept that we'll be even greater because of their presence amongst us.

Will anything ever break the American mind free of the shackles that have them believing that diversity is of any real value to them or their country?

Maybe a mushroom cloud over Chicago.
Maybe a mountain of little bodies in a grade school somewhere in the U.S.

Posted by: rational at April 12, 2007 5:40 PM

they're not the only ones needing to be stopped dead in their tracks, and their hostile numbers are far greater in scope...

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/6/12/141242.shtml

...but that's an entirely different thread & issue altogether...and outside the scope of this site.

Posted by: jcom972 at April 12, 2007 5:41 PM

Allahfanculo

It would seem like the best think to do with the islamic world is to have as little to do with it has possible.

Oil is the problem. After all what else does the islamic world have to offer? Just oil, and perhaps future voters for Europe's socialist parties.

Posted by: GuitarBob at April 12, 2007 5:42 PM

Liberal elites ruined Britain as a hyperpower. Could America meet the same fate?
by Jonathan V. Last

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Utilities/printer_preview.asp?idArticle=6200

Posted by: DP111 at April 12, 2007 5:44 PM

rational

What exactly do you expect Americans to do to combat this threat? Simply vote the bums out of office so they can be replaced with new bums that will do the exact same thing?

Posted by: GuitarBob at April 12, 2007 5:52 PM

DP111

I wonder how many liberal elites will be left after the babyboomers disappear.

Posted by: GuitarBob at April 12, 2007 6:01 PM

We constantly hear about Muslims privately condoning the jihadist attacks, but criticising the perpetrators for going too soon before the call to arms. There is no firewall between peaceful Muslims and those with jihadist motivation, even less those waiting dormant for the call to arms.

They never say who will make the call to arms, but according my admittedly feeble understanding of a famous book by a chap named John the revelator; a figure rises in the name of world peace who will claim that the only way for world peace will be forced conversions of the entire planet at the pain of death by beheading. This person is known to Muslims as the Mahdi and to Christians as the anti-Christ.

PS We win!!

Posted by: LivingVictory at April 12, 2007 6:15 PM

Did any Russians retaliate after they had their attack? Posted by GuitarBob

I wasn't specifically talking about large scale revenge. I meant the subtle things like name calling, dead-pigs-in-the-Mosque, petty vandalism, insults at the grocery store, or being snubbed by neighbors. Many little things can add up. All this can make someone feel like a leper and definately unwanted.

Posted by: Pelayo at April 12, 2007 6:33 PM

PMK posted:

"They can wait for the right moment in which to strike, secure in the knowledge that American values will allow them to pursue their own ends unhindered by police and free of harassment. To do otherwise would be a violation of their civil rights.
As for our schools being vulnerable, that is nothing new. Remember Columbine? Once again, that is the price we pay for freedom. The school, the mall, the church, the synagogue are all vulnerable to attack by people with no respect or regard for human life or human freedom. We have to choose our priorities. Do we want freedom or safety?"

This has been a problem for republics since time immemorial. What's disgusting is that the scenario has been played out countless times before. My sixth-grader was studying ancient Greece. Preparing for a test she came upon the question, "What did we learn from the fall of Athens?"

Her response was, "It's not good enough to be smart and free, you also have to be able to fight."

For crying out loud, eleven-year-old girls get this!

Posted by: freedomschool at April 12, 2007 6:35 PM

"...And you will be handed over to be persecuted because of me...." Jesus.

The truly major fight is not in doubt it's the way and how many will be killed before it begins.

But a hint of reality is not the lives it costs but the monetary cost.

When it hits the pockets of the self servers and the elite,when thier power becomes to be viewed as in peril then and only then will they rally under the banner of "lets save America" meaning save thier America.A call to all peons and nobodys to come save thier miserable hides and thier interests.Those interests that have provided every possible avenue for the cult of death to massacre and maim in a true cowards fashion,feeling heroic.

Yet the crocodile still hungers and eyes the large prey that has sent in the small and not so tasty prey to satisfy the crocodile.

The croc calls for more blood even after each drop it gets it desires more and more.If one were to survive till the last day when all prey were devoured it could be seen,the croc eating it's own tail and saving it's own head for last.But it will eat it's own head because it hates even itself.

On another article someone posted "history repeats itself" Well there are many pages in the book of history.The battle against the thing that should not be is just one page,revolution and the taking control by it's people of it's country from the hands of ruinistic regimes is another.

There are many who have a lot to answer for and "I don't recall" is not an acceptable answer.It should be the first step to the gallows.

There are two MAJOR things being over looked in our time and those are. 1) Attacks against our country and our allies go on without consequence.2) Treason and perjury are the norm for those who should be held to higher standards and instead prove only to be simple cons and thieves.

Who was to be persecuted? Not allahs minions for they persecute themselves.Those who would hate Christians and any other religion will be doing the persecution.For a short time,becuase that is all the time they are alotted

Posted by: Dar al-harb at April 12, 2007 6:37 PM

Times are a changing though. It might be a bit off topic, but here in the uk we have had a rash of gun crimes with young black males shooting and stabbing each other over sod all, as usual. I know in the USA gun crime is par for the course, but over here it is still considered a bit abnormal. Anyway Tony Blair actually said that the problem was a problem for the black community to address, as it was mainly young black males killing young black males.
Such honesty, if you read the papers, or listen to the news, you could be forgiven for thinking that they were not from any particular ethnic group at all. The left were outraged and in denial as usual, but its a change in the tide I feel.
Perhaps he will start saying things, like we insist that people from the Third World, Middle East etc, live by our values. If they refuse to, they can go back to their hellholes. Stranger things have happened.

Posted by: Ian at April 12, 2007 6:38 PM

Hey RATIONAL....A shout out to you from a neighbor in Peoria.Good luck brother i am afraid you might be a little more infested than my dear little city.

By the way did you see the Governor running around trying to sell his tax idea?

What did he do borrow Admanijads ( imanutajoba) dinner jacket? LOL

It sure looked like his except the color.

Stay strong and stay alert.

Posted by: Dar al-harb at April 12, 2007 6:52 PM

IAN...... if you are being accused of being racist or profiling or anything else of these natures,well you must be telling the truth.

Do yourself and your country a favor and rip that race card to shreds before you get beaten senseless with it.

The "it's my culture" also has it's limits.

Also they may be shooting each other but you can be assured innocents will die in the process because gang members are no better than terrorists.They are cowards through and through.

Also the "I do it to feed my family" is a huge lie.They do it to feed thier egos and to fill thier pockets.Also you will notice if you havent that your african of descent children will have no fathers around and the grandmas will raise the kids.The party is these type of peoples jobs.They see themselves too good for crappy jobs like normal people.

I wish i could dictate where every dime of my taxes go.I can find a better use for it than giving it to ingrates.

Posted by: Dar al-harb at April 12, 2007 7:01 PM

Sorry folks i don't mean to make this my own sounding board but this is for IAN as well.

Here in Peoria,in the south end there is a new gang of teens and up they call themselves "the loveless".Thier wish is to kill any other opposing gang members.No questions asked.Baaam your dead.

The good news is they won't last long because there are too many other gangs to unite against them.

Also another thing to look forward to in the gangland community is the cries of those who live amongst them when one of them gets killed.They will blame the lack of police prescence,yet when the police are present they holler profiling.

The people in these communities do nothing themselves but place blame on others.

Posted by: Dar al-harb at April 12, 2007 7:08 PM

And just who are we going to turn to for the leadership needed to prevent this and other attacks from occuring?

Bush,Chertoff,Cheney,Clinton,Dole all have ties to the Muslims countries and are making plenty of money by cow-towing to them.

I say throw all incombants out of office. Change your party affilaton to decline to state.

Allow only two terms of office no matter how good or bad they are and never elect them again to public office of anykind state,federal or local.

Posted by: CowboyJohnny Joe at April 12, 2007 7:26 PM

Ian,
It is a fact that gun crime in the USA is huge in cities where there is gun control. Start issuing concealed carry permits a crime takes a dive. For instance where I live most are armed and we have very little criminal activity. Maybe ringing the dinner bell by banning guns attracts these types? In addition, they never say how many crimes are prevented by legal gun use, imagine that. Take away guns from honest citizens and freedom and security soon go out the window, I don’t need to tell you, all the proof you need is right there in front of you as we speak.
The moral of the story is…Give up your guns and soon you will give up your life.

Posted by: tgusa at April 12, 2007 7:43 PM

Ian!

In America, every 13 seconds, a gun owner protects him/herself through the use of his/her weapon. This is usually merely the exhibiting of the firearm, but can extend obviously to outright use. Since 01/01/2007, on average over 600K potential crimes have been thwarted. Also, the American rate of burglary is much lower than in gun restrictive societies.

Gun ownership is tied in with the belief of the right to self-defense. How many liberals who do not want to defend America own firearms. Probably very few!

This is one of the reasons why liberals, etc., are so dangerous. Pacifism causes war.

Posted by: Crusader at April 12, 2007 8:00 PM

And gun bans have a long history that is not to be repeated, Rome, Hitlers Germany and now GB and Australia. Get your guns back boys we gunna need em. And why pray tell would the islamocrats support gun bans, a major nail in the coffin of freemen everywhere thats why. We have a saying in the USA, you can have my gun when you pry it from my cold dead hand. The Second Amendment protects the First Amendment always has always will.

Posted by: tgusa at April 12, 2007 8:45 PM

"What exactly do you expect Americans to do to combat this threat? Simply vote the bums out of office so they can be replaced with new bums that will do the exact same thing?"

GuitarBob,

Frankly, I don't think a great deal can be done so long as the American public is mesmerized by the idea that Diversity is absolutely essential to their happiness and the happiness of their country.

It's if the sun rises and sets on diversity, and to oppose it is an unforgiveable racist sin.

When the American people realize just how little value diversity really has for our society, and how potentially destructive it could be for their country, they just might stir themselves to demand that their leaders do something like banning Muslim immigration to our nation.

You can be certain, though, that the bums -- Democrats and Republicans -- aren't going to do a damn thing unless they feel their jobs are threatend by an outraged American electorate. So long as they don't feel threatened, or that the public is apathetic about the issue, they'll continue to take their orders from the special interests that are dedicated to the proposition that everyone has a right to immigrate to America -- and to stop them will leave us culturally and morally imcomplete in some way.

Tragically, I believe that Americans have allowed themselves to captivated by these strange ideas, and so, can't bring themselves to act in their own self-interest.

Yes, it's depressing, but that's the price one pays for living in a Democracy. I only hope we wake up some happy day.

Posted by: rational at April 12, 2007 10:39 PM

"Hey RATIONAL....A shout out to you from a neighbor in Peoria.Good luck brother i am afraid you might be a little more infested than my dear little city.

By the way did you see the Governor running around trying to sell his tax idea?

What did he do borrow Admanijads ( imanutajoba) dinner jacket? LOL

It sure looked like his except the color.

Stay strong and stay alert.

Dar al-harb,

Yes, Peoria is a dear little city. Haven't been there for years, but pleasant memories of the place.

We're not nearly as infested as the cities of the East, but eventually, if America doesn't wake up, we won't be able to wade through the crowds bowing down to Mecca.

But when Peoria is gone, we'll know then that America is gone.

Posted by: rational at April 12, 2007 10:55 PM

Allow only two terms of office no matter how good or bad they are and never elect them again to public office of anykind state,federal or local.
Posted by: CowboyJohnny Joe

Naw, that's too good of an idea to ever find any merit. At least where I am from. The sawed-off liberals here keep on voting for the same old Islamist apologists over and over again. Then they complain about them. Then we have our pretenders - those who pretend to be conservatives in public then do their same old bit of ass-kissing in private. Sheesh, it never ends.

Posted by: City Slicker from a Leftist State at April 13, 2007 1:07 AM

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer:
"how can u fight that kind of power?"

You can leon, oh yes you can. It has been done all throughout history. And those who fought the ones lolling in what-they-thought safely in the corridors of power ended up not so good.

Do not surrender unless you are dead.

Posted by: unicorns62000 at April 13, 2007 1:57 AM

Federalism further complicates this situation. State governments should also be considered negligent for not stepping up security and vetting procedures. Federal, state and local governments share equal responsibility.

Posted by: Haidon at April 13, 2007 2:23 AM

Pelayo you wrote:

I wasn't specifically talking about large scale revenge. I meant the subtle things like name calling, dead-pigs-in-the-Mosque, petty vandalism, insults at the grocery store, or being snubbed by neighbors. Many little things can add up. All this can make someone feel like a leper and definately unwanted.

If you advocate this as a course of action you are a vile person. And I bet that someone like you would never actually have the courage to carry out these attacks. You are the sort of bottom feeder that gives Robert and JW a bad name. Destroying Muslims, escpecially ones who are integrated and loyal citizens with these disgusting tactics is wrong. Islam is the issue, not the majority of Muslims.

Posted by: Haidon at April 13, 2007 2:51 AM

This administration and Congress has failed to even respond to the poison pet food crisis. Islamic terror? Forget about it.

Posted by: Bingo at April 13, 2007 4:25 AM

Oh look, Haidon, a convert to the vile ideology of Islam for his own inscrutable reasons - that faith founded by the pedophile Mohammed the mass-murdering, brigand, rapist, prophet pretender, inspiration and example for the countless atrocities carried out in the name of Islam, as documented on this site and elsewhere everyday - describes another poster here as vile.

Vile for advocating sending non-violent messages to the carriers of the disease known as Islam, ie. Muslims, that they are not wanted as neighbors.

Perhaps Haidon would approve if Pelayo advocated doing it the Islamic way, ie. slaughtering the Muslims instead.

Posted by: Mike_W at April 13, 2007 7:32 AM

"Many little things can add up. All this can make someone feel like a leper and definately unwanted"

....Just ask the Jews in Yemen, or the Christians in Iraq, or the Non Muslims in any Muslim dominated country...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at April 13, 2007 8:04 AM

Rational

I wonder how many Americans actually believe diversity is strength? Is it a majority of Americans or just a bunch of aging hippie college professors who have the power to enfore it on everyone else?

Diversity and multiculturalism are such ridiculous things. The only truely multicultural nations that I can think of were Yugoslavia, and the Austrian-Hungerian empire, both of which were plagued by constant problems caused by their diversity, and now neither of them exists.

You would think most Americans would reject this idealogy. Then again most Americans have been taught diversity is strength from K-12.

I still blame aging hippies.

Posted by: GuitarBob at April 13, 2007 8:08 AM

If there is an American Beslan, I will approve of lynch law if our leaders fail to adequately respond. I never dreamed I would live to say such a thing, but when I notice that the Jehadis are willing to use children as hostages and to even blow up their own, I am willing to eat a few of my own rule-of-law (but not of lawyers) principles.

Posted by: Kepha at April 13, 2007 8:08 AM

Mike_W

Maybe Haidon doesn't like Pelayo's way of handling things because it would make the Muslims look like victims.

Liberals already consider muslims and arabs part of the "victim class".

The last things we need is more diversity training because somebody leaves a dead pig somewhere.

Posted by: GuitarBob at April 13, 2007 8:14 AM

You are the sort of bottom feeder that gives Robert and JW a bad name.
Posted by haidon

Wow, Muslims and their apologists sure worry about the reputation of the very people they love to attack.
CAIR et al call Robert and JW a bigot, a racist, an Islamophobe and many other names. Yet you are worried that Palayo will make the site and the group look bad.
Pelayo, looks like you may have hit a nerve there.
I've been thinking along the same lines. I am going to work on a list to keep in my purse for whenever someone asks me 'What can I do?"

I still blame aging hippies. posted by Guitar bob

OUCH!
Some of US grew up and became conservatives.
Some of us rejected even back then the very things that were kept holy by the bigger idiots. Like socialism.
I was so disgusted by the way the people of my generation were raising their children, that I put a sign on my door.
"Dogs are welcome, but children must be on a leash" In 1973.
In the 1990's I had a sign in my shop that said, "Unattended children will be sold into white slavery"
I guess they would put me in jail for that now.

Some of us who are old enough to remember the 50's know that there were changes that needed to be made in our society.
Some of the early women's rights people were really the old definition of feminist. Feminine. They didn't want to do away with men, fatherhood or two sexes, they just wanted to have a little more freedom to do things like have a good job or own a business and not be thought of as the "little lady". Of course the movement got hijacked by what Rush L. calls the Femmo-Nazi's really early on. The things doctor's (GYN's) and teachers got away with back then were appalling. You could report them but no one cared. It was just accepted.

All I am asking is to please not tar all aging hippies with the same brush.
I guess I will lose credibility now that my secret is out. Not too long ago I got called a neo-con on JW. Whatever the heck that is.

Aunt Bea
Aging hippie
Islamophobe
Conservative
Constitutionalist
Bigot
Baby Boomer
Christian
American

Posted by: auntbea at April 13, 2007 9:04 AM

auntbea

Maybe we have a different definition of the word hippie. Were you actually a part of the hippie movement? Did you you have a big red fist on the back of your jacket while marching in some anti-war rally?

and if you were but grew out of it then you would be an ex-hippie not an aging hippie.

A good example of an aging hippie would be someone like ward churchill ranting and raving in a college classroom. Someone still fighting the same fight they began in the 60s against their made up enemies.

In a way they are no different then a little kid attacking invisible monsters with a stick in the backyard.

Posted by: GuitarBob at April 13, 2007 10:58 AM

mik_infidel,
Oh you are a riot, really funny for an imbecilic one line wonderlick. Go and take you LDS pill.
“Rome existed and flourished for centuries. Then, the rulers banned private ownership of weapons.”
http://www.mindconnection.com/library/factfile/gunfacts.htm
I guess with you one must use kindygarden speak.

Posted by: tgusa at April 13, 2007 11:52 AM

UK Infidel Lover:

I think you misunderstood what I said. I was delineating the rule of law that we live under here in the US. I was pointing to the fact that our Constitution and our system of jurisprudence WILL NOT ALLOW us to do what you propose (which I do not oppose). Maybe instead of "we cannot judge people", I should have said "we are not allowed to judge people".

You said:

"You cannot tell when any given Muslim is going to become "jihadist", therefore you shut them all out."

We are in total agreement. The problem starts when people talk about keeping out "jihadists". You and I agree that their religious sanctions of denial mean we cannot trust any of them, but the author talks about the "jihadist enemy", not the "islamic enemy". He doesn't seem to see Islam as the problem, only Islamic jihad. That leads to what I tried to point out - we are not allowed to accuse people of things they haven't shown even an indication of doing. Our problem is that "sleepers" may be among us but we can't do anything until they show their hand. Is the Muslim next to you on the train a terrorist in waiting or is he a man who wants nothing more than to live in peace with all people, including you and me? We have laws that protect all people. How do we reconcile them with protecting people who want NOT to live under sharia law?

In my view, not a single Muslim should be allowed to enter the US from this moment on, even to go to school. Heck, that policy should have started on the day airplane flights resumed after 9/11 and it should apply even to Muslims from allied countries, including Britain. Muslims who leave and are not citizens should not be allowed back in, even if they were just performing the hajj. That will not solve our problem, however. A total ban on Muslim travel will not prevent the spread of Islamism.

HOW DO WE FORCIBLY DEPORT SOMEONE WHO WAS BORN HERE AND WHOSE PARENTS CAME HERE DECADES AGO, ESPECIALLY IF HE HAS DONE NOTHING THAT IN ANY WAY SUPPORTS THE ISLAMISTS? IF WE DON'T FOLLOW OUR OWN LAWS WHY SHOULD ANYONE ELSE? WHY SHOULD WE ASK THEM TO ACCEPT RULE OF LAW?

A question for you and Foehammer: is every Muslim in the world an Islamist?

Posted by: PMK at April 13, 2007 12:30 PM

Scary stuff, but I can only imagine it even worse if and when the DhimmicRATS get the White House back...

absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
keep truth from children

make them feel ashamed
for being born American
.

Posted by: USpace at April 13, 2007 12:48 PM

Allow only two terms of office no matter how good or bad they are and never elect them again to public office of anykind state,federal or local.

Posted by: CowboyJohnny Joe

Amen. And may I suggest that we refrain from voting for the sibling, spouse, parent or child of an officeholder. Duncan Hunter is set to retire from Congress and his successor is: Duncan Hunter.

Political dynasties sound romantic, but all they do is give those families a sense of entitlement and an advantage not available to most Americans.

Posted by: PMK at April 13, 2007 1:18 PM

Daniel Pipes went to UCLA to give a speech about radical islam and before he could talk they booed! walked out! Yelling! It was quite a scene! This is what UCLA supports! Daniel trying to expose this! What a good place to start! We need lots of camers there! Pictures of each one of them! We need to start knowing who these people are. I saw Americans in there! This must be stopped! Starting here. They are not here for refuge. Only to spread their poison!

Posted by: MZ at April 13, 2007 1:47 PM

memo to Haidon: Since when does JW have a "bad name?" And among who? The CAIR? The Muslim Brotherhood? The anti-Semititic Eurotrash who have managed to ditch everything that made western civilization extraordinary? Socialists? Well, so what if JW did have a bad name with such rotten apples as these? To the best of my knowledege, JW is synonymous with courage to face and speak the truth (which is never a popular past time).

I'd say Islam has the bad name in question through the violence it teaches its followers to commit (you'll notice JW isn't practicing or promoting tactics like that). But millions across the globe are too cowardly by far to face facts like that.

History never treats cowards kindly.

Posted by: pythagoras at April 13, 2007 3:00 PM

Pelayo wrote:

"I meant the subtle things like name calling, dead-pigs-in-the-Mosque, petty vandalism, insults at the grocery store, or being snubbed by neighbors."

And Haidon called this suggestion "vile".

I would not call it vile, nor do I think it's a bad idea. However, I would suggest that, before one goes to the trouble of particularly interpersonal things like "insults at the grocery store" or "snubbing Muslim neighbors", one should first engage those Muslims in tough intelligent questions -- and if those Muslims respond with the typical Muslim tap-dance, then proceed to the more creative statements of "guerilla Art", which includes the interactive Street Theater of insults and snubbing.

Posted by: remote_control at April 13, 2007 4:32 PM

Pick a college any college and you will find that they were built by Americans and stolen by non tax paying losers. My question, if I have brilliant children who have their own money to attend college where do I send them and feel safe. I would really hate to see my kids killed or …that would force me to do things that 10 years ago I would never have dream't of. These colleges hurt one hair on true Americans any of them and rest assured I will do what is right. It may be ugly but it will be worth it. Do they think they have a monopoly on viciousness or cruelty? Not hardly. My dad always told me, you are too passionate about the defense of the USA and you better control yourself or someone is bound to get hurt. Hey what can I say, I am a descendant of Massachusetts militiamen and its hard to break old habits, you ain’t seen mean until you encounter one of us. My dad felt sorry for this scum but didn’t want to see me in jail. It’s about time they offer degrees online don’t ya think?

Posted by: tgusa at April 13, 2007 4:41 PM

Haidon posted: Islam is the issue, not the majority of Muslims.

I have to agree with you there. Islam is quite literally the problem, and a very big problem at that. I cannot see it in my heart to blame Muslims for the predicament they are in.

Nonetheless, we have a responsibility to protect our way, and that means excluding Muslims, as by their very numbers they pose a major threat to that way of life - its not an unreasonable policy.

Over the years you have shown increasing disenchantment with Islam, and I find I'm at a loss to explain why it is that you continue in the vain hope that some kind of reformation of Islam is likely.

There is no Reformation of Islam in the offing in the near future - not a reformation as understood by that name. There maybe one in the far future, but that does not affect us, and you personally. The only logical expanation left is that you are practising deception, to protect the Ummah in the West.

Posted by: DP111 at April 13, 2007 5:11 PM

PMK posted: HOW DO WE FORCIBLY DEPORT SOMEONE WHO WAS BORN HERE AND WHOSE PARENTS CAME HERE DECADES AGO, ESPECIALLY IF HE HAS DONE NOTHING THAT IN ANY WAY SUPPORTS THE ISLAMISTS? IF WE DON'T FOLLOW OUR OWN LAWS WHY SHOULD ANYONE ELSE? WHY SHOULD WE ASK THEM TO ACCEPT RULE OF LAW?

Its a matter how you view this conflict. If you view it as a law and order problem, then mass deportion is not ethical at all. If OTH you view it as war, then all those who subscribe to the enemy ideology whose goal is to destroy Britain, effectively anul their right to be loyal citizens of the UK.

Posted by: DP111 at April 13, 2007 5:19 PM

DP111:

I DO view it as a war, one that was declared on the West. Until our leaders decide to respond, we're stuck. Unless you want anarchy, that is.

I still have the same issue:

"Islam is the issue, not the majority of Muslims."

The problem is that you try to tread that line between condemning all Muslims and Islam itself. I even see Robert and Hugh walking that line sometimes.

I still don't understand how the two can be separated. Islam is an idea, an abstraction. It only becomes a problem when people try to obey what they believe are its tenets.

Trying to separate Muslims from Islam is pointless. Do you outlaw Islam? What about Muslims who have shown no interest in violent jihad, who want only to say their prayers? What do you do with future Cassius Clays or Cat Stevenseswho decide to convert? They were born and raised in America and Britain, respectively. Are they automatically stripped of citizenship and exiled? They may have no violent tendencies but they subscribe to a religion that does. How do you separate the two?

It's the same question: is every Muslim an Islamist?

Posted by: PMK at April 13, 2007 7:01 PM

Haidon:

If Islam is the issue, not the majority of Muslims, then when will the majority of Muslims do something about Islam and disown and expel the extremists who give it a bad name?
Either Muslims support this violence or they don't. From where I sit, their silence speaks volumes.
"Peaceful" Muslims who know who is planning and who is executing but who say nothing are not innocent. Behind every suicide bomber is a family that knew what he planned to do and kept silent. For every roadside bomb that goes off, every market that is bombed, SOMEONE knew how, when and where the attack would be carried out and said ZILCH. They are not peaceful.

Posted by: PMK at April 13, 2007 7:20 PM

PMK

I understand the dilemma we all face. As moral people, we do face this. However, war is simple in its demarcation. If you belong to the enemy tribe, nation or ideology, it does not matter how innocent you are, war is upon you. This is the way Islam exhorts its followers, and war being what it is, we will have to do the same. In any case, there is SJS syndrome. And we know that as Muslim populations increase, subsequent generations of Muslims are more likely to take up the Jihad, give it assistance or sympathise with it.

All we can do is to remain as humane as possible, and that means that we exclude Muslims from the West, i.e., deportation as humanely as possible. Once the Muslim population is low or non-existent, a few individuals who may convert to Islam pose no threat whatever, as long as the dirty secret of Islam is well truly known (even Haidon realises this). These persons will be ostracised and will likely find a more suitable country.

Posted by: DP111 at April 14, 2007 7:58 AM

PMK:
I DO view it as a war, one that was declared on the West. Until our leaders decide to respond, we're stuck. Unless you want anarchy, that is.

Yes but we can lobby. If necessary form politcal parties or try and get into power ourselves.
If there is some vacuum, eventually it will filled, somehow, if enough people in a country view it as an issue.

The problem is that you try to tread that line between condemning all Muslims and Islam itself. I even see Robert and Hugh walking that line sometimes.

Oh I do condemn Islam. It is not the good things I condemn within it, it is the bad things. And about Muslims, I see what you say, but this is a War situation. As it stands, there are degrees of jihad. While many Muslims in the UK would not plant a bomb, they were quite happy to lend moral support and support of various kind to those that do. That has been evaluated from various Polls carried out. Among young Muslims, they were unhappy because Sharia law was instituted in the UK. I see no end to the islamification to Spain, France, Germany & UK. And I dont see why

So if anyone is a foreign national and Muslim - I want that person deported. I want the Mosques closed.

I still don't understand how the two can be separated. Islam is an idea, an abstraction. It only becomes a problem when people try to obey what they believe are its tenets.

Sorry, but its tenets are clear to me. Those problem people's beliefs - they are correct Islamic beliefs.

It seems to me PMK that you are a liberal in outlook, but you are aware of what could happen to your society in the next few decades. You wonder if there is some way of settling our Islamic problems without resort to civil war, violence etc. And if we do try and settle things -will it mean we will have to sear our consciences?

Well regretably, I think so.
I think it will come down to War of some kind.
But that is only because Muslims have constantly invaded other terrorities and imposed Islam.

Trying to separate Muslims from Islam is pointless. Do you outlaw Islam?

Yes. It is a religion. But it is also (and it says so itself - it is not my claims) a political movement. On the latter grounds, it can be outlawed.

What about Muslims who have shown no interest in violent jihad, who want only to say their prayers?

I believe there are Muslims who are not interested in violent jihad. But if you talk to those Muslims, they will express a desire to Islamify the country - even Sharia law. I dont meet many Muslims who think otherwise. But even if they are not interested in violent jihad, can you guarantee that their children will not be, or children's children?
All Muslims have the potential for violent jihad.

What do you do with future Cassius Clays or Cat Stevenseswho decide to convert? They were born and raised in America and Britain, respectively. Are they automatically stripped of citizenship and exiled? They may have no violent tendencies but they subscribe to a religion that does. How do you separate the two?

We cannot separate them. But we should confront the Cassius Clays or Cat Stevenses, make sure they no why we consider them as pariahs in Western countries, that they no Islams pittiless history.

It's the same question: is every Muslim an Islamist?

Every Muslim is either an active Islamist or a dormant Islamist. Dormancy can be switched to activity overnight.

Posted by: UK Infidel Lover at April 14, 2007 12:14 PM

I guess I sound more liberal than I actually am. My problem is reconciling rule of law with doing what needs to be done. Do we let Muslims force us to destroy our own country?
I think we agree more than disagree. I would ban all Muslim travel to the US if I could, but I can't. (No foreign imams could ever come here.)
The sticking point is not CAIR or its activists but Muslims who were born here and who have shown no inclination toward violent jihad and no desire for Sharia law. They have as much right to live a life free of subjugation as you or I do. The Somali taxi drivers in Minneapolis (for example)are another matter. I would put agents in the airport carrying liquor and then summarily deport every single taxi driver who refuses a fare.

Posted by: PMK at April 14, 2007 3:02 PM

Lets identify the enemy---Islam

Islam is a murderous cult.

1.5 billion people are trapped willingly/unwillingly in this cult.

If your kid that you dearly loved were in a gang(Mafia,criminal activity, or bad relationship of any kind) you would do all you could to get him out.

Thus we have a moral dilemma. Good people generally speaking in a cult that they fear for their very lives if they buck it. The silence of 9/11 or to virtually anything else Muslims do is the anecdotal evidence of their fear.

The cult must be outlawed.

We are embedded militarily into the heart of this murderous cult. They only understand power at this stage. At this stage we are exercising power. This guy is in a rant of good and bad analysis.

Posted by: paulc37 at April 14, 2007 5:02 PM