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We have warned about this for years, but what do we know?
An update on this story: "NEWS FEATURE: Alarm in Spain over al-Qaeda call for its 'reconquest,'" by Sinikka Tarvainen for DPA:
Madrid (dpa) - The emergence of a new al-Qaeda-linked organization in Northern Africa is alarming Spain, which is concerned about Islamists' calls for the reconquest of the country they regard as a lost part of the Muslim world. "We will not be in peace until we set our foot again in our beloved al-Andalus," al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb said on claiming responsibility for an attack which killed at least 24 people in Algiers on Wednesday.Al-Andalus is the Moorish name for Spain, parts of which were ruled by Muslims for about eight centuries until the last Moorish bastion, Granada, succumbed to the Christian Reconquest in 1492.
The terrorists will undoubtedly attempt to extend their offensive from Northern Africa to European soil, anti-terrorism judge Baltasar Garzon warned, cautioning that Spain was at a "very high risk" of suffering an Islamist attack.
The reference to al-Andalus was not the first by al-Qaeda, which has also vowed to put an end to the Spanish "occupation" of the enclaves of Ceuta and Melilla on the Moroccan coast....
The Algerian-based al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb, formerly known as the Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat (GSPC), intends to federate North African Islamist cells under a common umbrella.
Some of the people who could attack Spain may already be in the country, where nearly 80 per cent of prison inmates jailed on charges related to international terrorism have come from Northern Africa over the past five years.
Islamist radicals proselytize at an estimated 10 per cent of Spain's hundreds of unofficial mosques, which operate in garages, basements and the like.
Spain has become an important base for the recruitment of suicide bombers who are sent to Iraq, according to press reports. Some of the fighters are believed to be trained in new al-Qaeda camps in Sahel countries such as Mali, Niger or Mauritania.
Posted by Robert at April 13, 2007 9:29 AM
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Poor, chinless, clueless Zapatero, what must he be thinking now? All the dhimmi posturing, the keffiyeh wearing, the urgency with which he carried out his masters' wishes in withdrawing from Iraq, all for what? Still they hate you, still they want 'their' country back. Whence now, Zapatero?
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at April 13, 2007 9:37 AM
and spain wants to build a rail link from ceuta to the mainland?
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at April 13, 2007 9:37 AM
Oh, tsk tsk the Spaniards had to take their heads out of the warm and comfy confines of their butts. It must have hurt!
Now, I wonder how long it will be before they get reinserted. I really don't expect much to come of this. There might be a small group who does something, or tries to do something - but it will be slow. I see this phenomenon all over the place - here in the USA too. It is like an uphill battle in the USA too. With all the disinformation that is dispersed - it is no wonder.
Posted by: R_not at April 13, 2007 9:48 AM
Zappy's Spanish/Morrocean chunnel will help in this reconquest.
Posted by: Elric66 at April 13, 2007 10:00 AM
Awesome. Out of the over 200 claims for the Algiers attack (please read some Arabic language newspapers...oh right, you can't...the BBC story says al-Jazeera says Al-Qaeda claimed it, but the analyst on al-Jazeera afterwards said otherwise--that there was absolutely no evidence at this point) Spencer is still harping on the al-Qaeda thing...(Even if it was this al-Qaeda group, this is an old domestic organization that changed its name [probably for publicity reasons], and to this day there is no conclusive evidence--other than Western radical barkings--that proves this group to have any direct or indirect link to Bin Laden's orgznization). Now, there is an unsubstansiated link on a website claiming to be from an Islamist group that suggests that Spain should be reconquested. From a historical view that might not be too bad (anti-Catholics, Jews, the roots of Protestantism, and many others fled from European persecution to Andalusia--and then deeper into Muslim territory when the Inquisition was put into place--why didn't they go back to the "free" West?)---again all assuming that this website is actually even remotely true. Tomorrow, I might put up a website saying (By putting the word al-Qaeda in the title, because people will then pay attention to me) that I have the ultimate desire to reconquer New Mexico in the name of the Mexican government, you never know...
Just doing some thinking...
at April 13, 2007 10:01 AM
"Spain was at a "very high risk" of suffering an Islamist attack."
....yep, appeasing the terrorists by withdrawing your troops in Iraq after just one attack sure works wonders!...does it not......
at April 13, 2007 10:09 AM
Zapatero, hurry up and build that tunnel to Morocco.
Posted by: johnb at April 13, 2007 10:39 AM
please read some Arabic language newspapers...oh right, you can't
Because arabic is such a divine language that it can't be properly translated? Because only arabic language newspapers could possibly have any insight into events in North Africa?
Posted by: Jesus Worshipping Zionist at April 13, 2007 10:46 AM
Emily Hunt author of "Islamist Terrorism in Northwestern Africa" and a senior fellow at the U.S.-based International Assessment and Strategy Centre, spoke on the CBC's "As It Happens: radio show. She spoke convingly of al Qaeda's inroads into Algeria and their involvement in the bombings that -bewilderingly- al Jazeera can't seem to get its act together to either confirm or authoritatively refute. (I wonder why not. I'm just thinkin' is all). She also spoke chillingly of how the terrorists responsible for the crimes are being funded from Europe, through credit card and identity theft and other frauds perpetrated by North Africans in Europe.
Of course, the inversion of morality that Islam appears to offer protects the perpetrators of such crimes from any type of self-censure. Crime is not crime when performed for a greater good, for the extension of Islam throughout the world, by hook or by crook as it were. And one can only expect to see such "flexible" thinking extended to claim rights for the reoccupation of entire countries. No surprises here, not when the record is looked at objectively.
This problem is goes right down to the psychological development of individuals who are raised in a belief system for which personal responsibility is not at all a priority. Individuals raised in this manner cannot be expected to easily accept let alone behave with the same notions of conscience that others in Western society may have. Put this together with current Western social norms in which children are -incredibly- raised to question the worthiness of their own historical roots, all evidence to the contrary, then you have what I'd say were conditions for a perfect storm: a demented feeling of entitlement on the one hand and a suicidal, unjustifiable feeling of guilt on the other.
Spain in particular and Europe in gnereal needs to remember that it reached its heights of culture despite Islamic depredations, not because of them. Islam as a way of life has nothing to offer Spain, Europe or any Western country. It is not bigoted to say this, unless the balance of evidence itself can be said to be bigoted.
Posted by: Chatillon at April 13, 2007 10:50 AM
Ah, yes, the new conquistadors... Perhaps they will call themselves, "Al-Quistadors" *grin*
Cheers,
http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com
Posted by: Doctor Bulldog at April 13, 2007 10:52 AM
'An American' asks, "why didn't they go back to the "free" West?" You claim to be 'Just doing some thinking.' You might want to think about the fact that the west has changed a bit in the past 500+ years. I know this idea might be a little difficult for you to get your backward thinking religionist mind around, but we've come along way baby. I always find it humorous when muslims try to justify their barbaric atrocities in the 21st century by comparing them to acts that occurred in 'western' societies centuries ago, as if our society is somehow static. The word crusade is a staple of the muslim vocabulary.The difference in mindset is quite striking. While muslims are busy living in the past, we are looking to the future.
Posted by: Abu Allah at April 13, 2007 10:55 AM
. Now, there is an unsubstansiated link on a website claiming to be from an Islamist group that suggests that Spain should be reconquested. From a historical view that might not be too bad
On a summer day in the month of May a burly bum came hiking
Down a shady lane through the sugar cane, he was looking for his liking.
As he roamed along he sang a song of the land of milk and honey
Where a bum can stay for many a day, and he won't need any money
Oh the buzzin' of the bees in the cigarette trees near the soda water fountain,
At the lemonade springs where the bluebird sings on the Big Rock Candy Mountains
There's a lake of gin we can both jump in, and the handouts grow on bushes
In the new-mown hay we can sleep all day, and the bars all have free lunches
Where the mail train stops and there ain't no cops, and the folks are tender-hearted
Where you never change your socks and you never throw rocks,
And your hair is never parted
Oh the buzzin' of the bees in the cigarette trees near the soda water fountain,
At the lemonade springs where the bluebird sings on the Big Rock Candy Mountains
Oh, a farmer and his son, they were on the run, to the hay field they were bounding
Said the bum to the son, "Why don't you come to the big rock candy mountains?"
So the very next day they hiked away, the mileposts they were counting
But they never arrived at the lemonade tide, on the Big Rock Candy Mountains
Oh the buzzin' of the bees in the cigarette trees near the soda water fountain,
At the lemonade springs where the bluebird sings on the Big Rock Candy Mountains
One evening as the sun went down and the jungle fires were burning,
Down the track came a hobo hiking, and he said "Boys, I'm not turning."
"I'm heading for a land that's far away beside the crystal fountains;"
"So come with me, we'll go and see the Big Rock Candy Mountains."
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains, there's a land that's fair and bright,
The handouts grow on bushes and you sleep out every night
Where the boxcars all are empty and the sun shines every day
On the birds and the bees and the cigarete trees,
The lemonade springs where the bluebird sings
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains, all the cops have wooden legs
And the bulldogs all have rubber teeth and the hens lay soft-boiled eggs
The farmer's trees are full of fruit and the barns are full of hay
Oh I'm bound to go where there ain't no snow
Where the rain don't fall, the wind don't blow
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains, you never change your socks
And little streams of alcohol come a-trickling down the rocks
The brakemen have to tip their hats and the railroad bulls are blind
There's a lake of stew and of whiskey too
And you can paddle all around 'em in a big canoe
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains the jails are made of tin,
And you can walk right out again as soon as you are in
There ain't no short-handled shovels, no axes, saws or picks,
I'm a-goin' to stay where you sleep all day
Where they hung the jerk that invented work
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains
I'll see you all this comin' fall in the Big Rock Candy Mountains!
at April 13, 2007 10:56 AM
It's not just "al-Qaeda" waging jihad to return Al Andalus to the Dar-al-Islam from the hands of the dirty kuffar.
Posted by: Beagle at April 13, 2007 10:58 AM
'You might want to think about the fact that the west has changed a bit in the past 500+ years"
....tHIS IS TRUE!!!!....Islam has not changed at all in 1400 years...it is still in the 7th century....
at April 13, 2007 11:00 AM
Another point that 'An American' seems to either miss or else willfully ignore is the fact that Mr. Spencer in fact does not harp on Al-Qaeda links, and actually deemphasizes the importance of whether or not a group is directly linked to Al-Qaeda or not.
Mr. Spencer has been very critical of the emphasis in the media and by world leaders placed on Al Qaeda. Spencer has pointed out on numerous occasions that Al-Qaeda is just one of many jihad groups with the same goal of Islamic imperialism and expansion, and that if Al Qaeda disappeared tomorrow, the global jihad would continue right on without them. Even without terrorism or violent action of any kind, islamic groups who hold the belief in islamic supremacy would carry out other types of jihad toward the same ends.
at April 13, 2007 11:05 AM
Despite the best efforts of the craven West appeasers, the nation of Islam will have its world war. I'm convinced now that nothing will stop this attempt to expand dar al-Islam except force.
Despite the best efforts of persons on this site and others fighting to get the word out to disinterested Westerners, this jihad will continue and will inflict heavy damage on nations in Western Civ., African civ and Buddhist civ... until those areas take up organized, armed force against the jihad.
The Muslim jihadis will not accept it any other way. Many people will have to die on both sides, but I pity the poor bastards in the Islamic world who don't really want the fight, but have no way to stop it. They're going to get what's coming too. I don't see any way around it.
It's all or nothing for the Islamic world and they know it. They have to strike hard while the demographics and the oil resources are still in their favor. They have about 20 - 40 years and won't stop trying until they simply don't have the means to launch attacks.
A pit bull is a fighting dog and has been bred to hold its bite until death if necessary. You can't distract a pit bull with food or anything else once it locks on to something. You have to damage it to the point where it can no longer bite or you have to kill it.
We do have a way to end all of this. We must think like ancient Romans - not medieval crusaders.
The ancient Romans would have marched to the heart of the troubles and would have utterly laid waste to the source of the trouble. Look at the example in the Punic wars and what the Romans did to Carthage. We must do the same to the heart of the trouble. The center of it all is Mecca and Medinah. They must be occupied and leveled.
Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at April 13, 2007 11:15 AM
I'm going to explain something that An (Un?)American wrote. Why didn't they return to the free west? Some of them did. Several years ago there was a series of articles in New Mexico's newspapers about hispanic (Spanish descent) people who believed that their ancestors were Jewish. They converted to Catholicism either before or after emigrating to the Western US. I have long forgotten some of the details, but the theme of the article was that their ancestors were most likely Jews from Spain.
Posted by: Pelayo at April 13, 2007 11:16 AM
"Even without terrorism or violent action of any kind, islamic groups who hold the belief in islamic supremacy would carry out other types of jihad toward the same ends."
Posted by: Abu Allah"
....without terrorism, Islam does not exist....
Posted by: exsgtbrown at April 13, 2007 11:17 AM
Sorry - I forgot to add 'Orthodox Civ' to the note above, but this group has a big stake in the fight as well.
Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at April 13, 2007 11:18 AM
The muslims could reconquer spain through immigration alone. Terrorist attacks only wake people up to the threat, and are conterproductive.
I don't understand why anyone of them would commit terrorist acts when the entire country lies within their grasp if they just wait. Unless they are trying to accomplish some other short term objective.
Posted by: GuitarBob at April 13, 2007 11:26 AM
Zappy's Spanish/Morrocean chunnel will help in this reconquest.
Posted by: Elric66
And guess who's going to be trying to blow it up?
But seriously people, noone can say they're not telling us their intentions.
What makes it so hard these days to pick up a gun and shoot a rabid dog before he bites you or infects other dogs?
Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 13, 2007 11:29 AM
Does this mean the Barbary Apes will be leaving Gibraltar?
Posted by: grobari at April 13, 2007 11:30 AM
From a historical view that might not be too bad (anti-Catholics, Jews, the roots of Protestantism, and many others fled from European persecution to Andalusia--and then deeper into Muslim territory when the Inquisition was put into place--why didn't they go back to the "free" West?)---again all assuming that this website is actually even remotely true. Tomorrow, I might put up a website saying (By putting the word al-Qaeda in the title, because people will then pay attention to me) that I have the ultimate desire to reconquer New Mexico in the name of the Mexican government, you never know...
Just doing some thinking...
Posted by: An American
From MY historical point of view, the Jews should be restored their rightful lands in Mecca and Mednina.
Put THAT in yer pipe and smoke it.
PS. If you're an American then I am a Martian.
Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 13, 2007 11:32 AM
"I don't understand why anyone of them would commit terrorist acts "
.........Muslims love the press coverage, they love the fear factor...they love to see panic... they love to see dhimmitude...they love to see massive amounts of flowing blood and numberous body parts....
......They love to see the terror in the eyes of the NON Muslim...
Posted by: exsgtbrown at April 13, 2007 11:34 AM
From the article:
"Islamist radicals proselytize at an estimated 10 per cent of Spain's hundreds of unofficial mosques"
--
I see the powers in Spain are still dead-set on cultivating the Tiny Minority myth. And they wonder why they are under threat from Islam?
"There are no men so blind as those that refuse to see."
I'd bet my life the actually percentage is closer to 50%.
Posted by: Foehammer at April 13, 2007 11:35 AM
edit: actual, not actually
Damn, where is my coffee.
Posted by: Foehammer at April 13, 2007 11:38 AM
"I don't understand why anyone of them would commit terrorist acts "
Sunnah.
at April 13, 2007 11:42 AM
"I don't understand why anyone of them would commit terrorist acts "
Sunnah.
at April 13, 2007 11:42 AM
"We will not be in peace until we set our foot again in our beloved al-Andalus"
How about this?
Christians will not be in peace until we set our foot again in our beloved Constantinople, once the center of a Christian domain before it was taken over by Muslims. We look forward to the celebration of the sacrifice of the Mass at Hagia Sophia in the new Constantinople. We look forward to regaining control of Damascus, the destination of Saint Paul when he had his revelation from God.
Just imagine a Muslim reaction to such an attempt to undo history. The same people who rail at the Crusades want to conduct one of their own. They fail to realize that their religion is based on one long crusade. They are the original crusaders.
Posted by: PMK at April 13, 2007 11:43 AM
I don't understand why ANY Western nations are still allowing Muslims to continue to emigrate. Ditto Australia. Come on, people, you KNOW this need to stop! Do Something BIG, Spain!
Posted by: darcy at April 13, 2007 11:52 AM
needs to stop. Sorry.
Posted by: darcy at April 13, 2007 11:53 AM
LOL, to the above poster "PissBeUponHim," - love your nic! Perfect.
Posted by: darcy at April 13, 2007 11:54 AM
"We will not be in peace until we set our foot again in our beloved al-Andalus"
How about this?
People who choose to believe in a god or no god at all won't be at peace until the plague carriers in Mecca and Medinah have been disinfected and wiped from the face of this Earth.
Taking and retaking Real Estate is not the answer.
The utter decimation of the Ka'ba and the earthly legacy of the two holy mosques IS the answer. What will it take for us to get there? This will never end until we actually destroy the idol temple dedicated to al-Lah and destroy the legacy of Mohammed in Medinah.
Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at April 13, 2007 12:00 PM
Crusaders are not the proper model for us. Taking and retaking areas in the middle east are not the permanent solution. The crusaders didn't establish the Christian kingdom in the correct spot.
Not Jerusalem - Mecca
Not Malta / Damascus / Constantinople - Medinah.
at April 13, 2007 12:04 PM
I agree with Allahfanculo above that Jews should be restored Medina (renamed Yathrib) and Mecca. Also, the ancient Pagan faiths should be explored and resurrected - it'll still be an improvement on Islam. Failing that, Judaism should be the established religion of the Arabian peninsula.
As to 'An American's' musings above, a number of the refugees from Andalus did flee to other parts of Europe such as Holland and Greece (and in the latter case, Islam caught up with them). And those who fled to the Mahgreb fled back to Catholic Spain and converted to Catholicism. Of course, it would have been nice had they been allowed to remain Jews, but it's better that they converted to Catholicism rather than to Islam. And no - the inquisition wasn't worse than the system of dhimmitude that existed throughout the Islamic world, including that fabled tolerant Ottoman empire.
Back to the above story - given that Spain has happily been grovelling before Islam ever since Zapatero came to power, why are they alarmed by this? How would a reconquest of Spain by those nostalgic about Andalusia be different from the Islamic supremacy in Spain now?
Posted by: Infidel Pride at April 13, 2007 12:10 PM
There is no lesson which teaches so well as having Muslims murder one in your own home. Perhaps then the Spanish will learn their expensive mistake numbers of Spaniards learned the hard way.
The personal stories of Spaniards butchered, enslaved and pillaged from those goode olde days are heart rending, but and BUT these Muslims were no more interested in Islam than they were in any thing redeeming.
All the accounts speak of profit just like bin Laden's musings all related back to OIL MONEY and resources. That is what drives these people who hide in Islam and use it as a doctrine to rapine.
The Europeans have not had to deal with a real problem since the last one they manufactured in Hitler and Stalin. Islam is a great teacher for the Spanish and they will learn the hard lesson like their dead relatives learned.
Posted by: Lame Cherry at April 13, 2007 12:13 PM
Alarm in Spain over al-Qaeda call for its "reconquest"
All of history is the pattern of some group (race, religion, ideology, etc.) conquering, subduing, exploiting and even exterminating some lately "indigenous people". The Arabs have been the most successful group in using Islam for that purpose. It is just another rationalization system that makes holy and good exploitation.
The Nazis attempted to do this to the Slavs of Eastern Europe in World War II. They intended to displace the Slavs via starvation. When Hitler attacked Russia on June 22, 1941, within weeks Stalin knew that the Germans had launched a war of extermination. Whole Russian divisions were surrounded and the Germans took no prisoners or marched the Russian soldiers into slavery-jizya. But gradually the Russians got their footing and regained their balance and in late 1941 the Russians launched a series of counter attacks that stalled the Germans before Moscow. It was the first of many defeats for the Germans and ended with the Russians overrunning Germany.
There will come a similar turning point in this war launched by Islam against the Kuffirs. Neither Israel nor the US is going to suffer the fate of Darfur and extermination by Islam, any more than the Russians allowed the Germans to exterminate them. Islam is just another rationalization-religion-ideology that makes good supremacist delusions, deception, exploitation, and extermination. It is very similar to Nazism.
at April 13, 2007 12:20 PM
American.
Al queda doesn't exist! Al quesda is nothing more than a crazy plot cooked up by Spencer so he can sell books!
Suggest you make plans for fun in the sun in Spain!
Enjoy life and remember that reality exists in the mind.
Posted by: witness at April 13, 2007 12:26 PM
GuitarBob, regarding "why can't they just wait?"
It might be that they can't wait. Groups like al-Queda and others need funding in order to function. Currently, much of their funding comes from groups like the Golden Chain and from wealthy Middle-Eastern individuals. At the root, the money and influence comes from oil revenue, which will not last forever.
Additionally there's a feature of Islamic culture that tends to reduce per-capita wealth in wealthy families. Wealthy men have several wives, and many children, each of which inherits a share of the man's fortune when he dies. The share is prescribed in the Qur'an. When a rich man's assets are divided among four wives and twenty kids, the inheritors are well off, but much less likely to be well off enough to finance a good lifestyle PLUS finance Jihad.
The late former king of Saudi Arabia, Ibn Saud, fathered between 50 and 1000 kids. The current king Abdullah has 22 acknowledged offspring. All those offspring are going to want their fair share of their inheritance
Posted by: PapaBear at April 13, 2007 12:32 PM
Katie Couric wonders if we are ready for a President who attended a mosque.
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2007/04/11/couricandco/entry2673784.shtml
at April 13, 2007 12:40 PM
witness-
I have come to the conclusion that these guys have launched a war of extermination against Israel and other indigenous cultures and peoples. All of Islam is collectively responsible, just as the Germans were all responsible for the Nazi minority among them. (BTW, Zionism is a defensive ideology, whereas Nazism and Islam (e.g.)are offensive.)
There is nothing new about this in the history of our species, but Jihad will ultimately provoke a ruthless response. How that will happen is a door to a room that has yet to be opened. Eventually, these current supremacists are going to feel the kind of ruthless response that brought the Russians to Berlin in 1945.
Posted by: Frank at April 13, 2007 12:54 PM
an American,
AS someone who's father is Spanish i take offense at your stupidity. Zapatero is a socialist traitor and like all Muslims or Islamo-Apologists your view of history is totally skewed.
" Spencer is still harping on the al-Qaeda thing...(Even if it was this al-Qaeda group, this is an old domestic organization that changed its name [probably for publicity reasons], and to this day there is no conclusive evidence"
What rubbish. When the bOmbings happened in Madrid it was AL-queda that carried them out. So, when they released a video giving the reasons for it they whipped out their "islamic grevience laundry list". Was it Palestine they were upset about? Kashmir? No, in addition to their typical BS they specifically claimed they did it as a signel to start the "Conquest of Andalus".
1400 years ago the Muslims took Christian land in Spain. PERIOD. END OF STORY. HOw tolerent they were afterwards is irrelevent. Also, this so-called "tolerance" is a myth. All Christians and Jews lived under the pact of UMAR. Something that would make South Africas Apartheid system look like enlightment. In fact if conquering a peoples is OK in order to bring "tolerance and justice" then, my idjiot friend, you have just justified Bush's war in Iraq!! LOL! but i guess you're against that war. That makes you a hypocryte.
As to your skewed view of history-
"From a historical view that might not be too bad (anti-Catholics, Jews, the roots of Protestantism, and many others fled from European persecution to Andalusia"
More revisionist garbage. Protestants were'nt even around when the last of the Moors was expelled from Spain. 1492 was when the last muslims were kicked out. Martin luther didnt post his thesis' until decades later. Also, no christian in his right mind would flee to a land where Christians were persecuted. Again, more revisionist garbage. And anyone who bothered to do the research can see that the jews faired just as badly in Muslim spain as the Christians. They were massacred many times throughout the history of that time. Maimonides had to FLEE Spain from MUSLIM PERSECUTION. AS for where Jews went after the inquisition, while some did go into Muslim lands a lot actually went into other parts of Europe such as Holland. Yes, Christian, Evil, Holland allowed fleeing Jews to come to their country. REad up on real history, not revisionist garbage that is floating around the internet.
Lastly, VIVA MATAMOROS DEL COMPOSTELA!!! VIVA ESPANA! GRANDE!! A leader like Franco will gain power and kick all the Muslims out of Spain (AGAIN!) before one Sharia law is passed in that great Catholic country.
at April 13, 2007 1:13 PM
Memo to Islamic fascists:
In all of history, with its patterns of attack and displacement of "indigenous cultures" and "indigenous peoples", there is only one group that has successfully resisted total annihilation in its homeland and has in fact retaken their native land (as Jews came to Israel from the Muslim Mideast and from Nazi Europe). That is the Jewish people. One has to admire their extraordinary tenacity. They are now in Israel to stay.
Posted by: Frank at April 13, 2007 1:13 PM
Is this the pre-crusades conquests that these people want? Do they want Europe to flush them out again as I bet the Crusades did after being fed up with sword chopping threats and backwards lifestyles. I hope this Europe and Spain can learn how to be Knights in government but I guess they are too soft and bury their heads in the Arab dessert. They will be so politically correct and show so much understanding about diversity that their so called friends will laugh their way to being handed over the money like some scam. Where is the spirit in Europe? This is what happens when you close the Bible up from knowledge it even warns us and helps prevent these troubles.
One of the reasons why Hamas wants the Israeli flag changed is because the two blue lines represent old Israel up from the river Nile in Egypt to the River Tigris or Euphrates in Iraq.
So does that mean Israel will take over their old lands again as they owned before Islam was invented. Well they will once prophecy and God comes back down but in the mean time they won't demand all these lands back, if not just what was left empty as marsh lands before 1947. Now it's different things have been established they have prospered and the Hamas want that now because they did not have to build Israel and like a Church in England that Muslims like to convert they will take the template and add their
Moon on top.
at April 13, 2007 1:14 PM
An American,
Al Qaeda is irrelevant, with the exception that they subscribe to Islam, employ jihad open-endedly as a mandate in the Qur'an, and act exclusively in the name of Allah. There are many others that do the same.
Please read the left side border on the main page, under the question Why Jihad Watch? Read it, and count the number of references to al Qaeda. Now re-read it and stop. Please do some MORE thinking before you post again.
Posted by: awake at April 13, 2007 1:16 PM
To Katie Couric: The answer is NO.
Posted by: Foehammer at April 13, 2007 1:17 PM
Re: Frank's discussion:
I’ve always hear the term ‘pecking order’ but in my studies in backyard poultry have found out more about what it really is. If you want to raise your own eggs, the proper number of hens to have is 10-12. The hens establish a pecking order through skirmishes when they first get together. The Number 1 hen never gets pecked, but pecks Number 2. The Number 6 hen pecks the Number 7 hen and gets pecked by the Number 5 hen. Once the order is established, things become orderly with occasional pecks to keep everybody in line. The bottom hen gets pecked to death if there are crowded conditions.
If a new hen is added to the mix, the whole process starts over and the feathers start flying.
The reading I’ve done doesn’t describe what would happen if a Number 6 hen was introduced to an existing group of hens and insisted that it was the Number 1 hen. I imagine that that genetic trait has pretty much been removed by now from the chicken community.
at April 13, 2007 1:25 PM
Al Qaeda is irrelevant, with the exception that they subscribe to Islam, employ jihad open-endedly as a mandate in the Qur'an, and act exclusively in the name of Allah. There are many others that do the same.
Please read the left side border on the main page, under the question Why Jihad Watch? Read it, and count the number of references to al Qaeda. Now re-read it and stop. Please do some MORE thinking before you post again.
Posted by: awake at April 13, 2007 01:16 PM
Al-Qaeda is the symtom, not the problem. Islam is the problem. Killing OBL would change nothing.
Posted by: Elric66 at April 13, 2007 1:27 PM
pez-
That old pecking order is not limited to the chicken community, as you well know. Conflict is inherent in nature. Fortunately, the chicken community does not require a rationalization system for justifying pecking the Dhimmi chicken to death. Lucky them?
Posted by: Frank at April 13, 2007 1:36 PM
"Where is the spirit in Europe?"
posted by jesusisthelamb
It was beaten out of them by more than eight centuries of war and the total devastation wrought by WWII.
It's not 1492 anymore and it never will be, again. It's not even 1683.
In order to drive out the Muslims, European (and American) elites would have to admit that their concept of diversity was muddle-headed. They would have to admit that not everyone shares the same values they do.
Even if Europeans are not particularly religious most probably still subscribe to the Golden Rule, which is epitomized by Christ's call to "do unto others as you would have others do unto you" and to "love your neighbor as yourself".
That there are whole nations who feel differently is just not something they can get their hands around. Confronting evil is hard. Instead they'll retreat into calling the rest of us xenophobes. It's easier that way.
at April 13, 2007 1:40 PM
Hey Spanish citizens, if you build it (a tunnel) they will come.
Posted by: tgusa at April 13, 2007 1:54 PM
Poor Spain. All of its toadying favor of the "Palestinian" cause hasn't gotten it anywhere.
Posted by: desertdawg29palms at April 13, 2007 1:55 PM
Poor Spain. All of its toadying favor of the "Palestinian" cause hasn't gotten it anywhere.
Posted by: desertdawg29palms at April 13, 2007 01:55 PM
Seems electing a dhimmi PM didnt help either.
at April 13, 2007 1:58 PM
We all have seen shell game’s, well the palis are the biggest shell game in modern history. Look this way, no not that way you might find the truth. It is sort of like them holding out their right hand and while we are distracted we get hammered with their left. Geez how stupid are some in the world I have seen 10 year olds with better reasoning power.
Posted by: tgusa at April 13, 2007 2:05 PM
How’s Obama doing in the poles?
Posted by: Mert at April 13, 2007 02:24 PM
Still neck in neck with Hillary
Posted by: Elric66 at April 13, 2007 2:27 PM
"Still neck in neck with Hillary
Posted by: Elric66 "
...I hope Bill doesn't get jealous...
at April 13, 2007 2:34 PM
...I hope Bill doesn't get jealous...
Posted by: exsgtbrown at April 13, 2007 02:34 PM
Bill has plenty of women so I doubt he is jealous
Posted by: Elric66 at April 13, 2007 2:35 PM
Lovely for you that,
In Britain our left wing is in its final throes. A couple of years of Bone Crusher Brown and the lefties will be out. Even the fiasco in Iran has worked to our favour in the end. One more nail in Tony’s coffin and hopefully another labour minister will bite the dust.
Our future is likely to go in the RIGHT direction. Can you be sure your future won’t take a wrong LEFT turn?
at April 13, 2007 2:37 PM
"put an end to the Spanish 'occupation'"
There's that buz word again: occupation.
What -- as far as Islam is concerned, we are all guilty of "occupying" a piece of Muslim real estate. Anyone who isn't Muslim; anyone found to be an infidel, needs to be booted out of the country they're OCCUPYING according to the Muslim mind set. (excuse me for living)
Posted by: champ at April 13, 2007 2:38 PM
OT:
I don't know if anyone else here has caught this, so I figured I'd throw it out there for you:
Ibrahim Abdul Mu'min, a Muslim convert from Judaism, claims the following:
"I also received negative, and even hateful, emails from Ibrahim Hooper of CAIR and a group called "Jihad Watch". Both of the groups reviled me personally. (Not my ideas, they ignored them at all costs)"
Here's the link if you want to read it:
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/24269.html
Cheers,
http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com
Posted by: Doctor Bulldog at April 13, 2007 2:50 PM
I never listen to anyone who adds an “ed” to a word that doesn’t require it.
“"I also received negative, and even hateful, emails from Ibrahim Hooper of CAIR and a group called "Jihad Watch". Both of the groups reviled me personally.”
Both of the groups revile me personally. Didn’t graduate elementary school eh?
at April 13, 2007 2:57 PM
"We will not be in peace until we set our foot again in our beloved al-Andalus,"
I'm all for "reconquest."
There are dozens of Islamic enclaves in the U.S. that could stand a little reconquest.
We'll just issue a statemen saying "We will not be in peace until we set our foot again in our beloved Dearbon, Michigan,"
Posted by: rational
at April 13, 2007 3:18 PM
There are a lot of alarmists in this world.
I call not for reconquest of Spain, but I call for the takeover of Ceta, Mellilia in the North of Morocco and the Canaries islands ti the West of it. That would be fair.
Notice how spain is quite about the subject of Gibraltar, because how can Spain claim it without ceding the 3 pieces of real estate and close their bloody colonial chapter.
at April 13, 2007 3:50 PM
A previous article (that appeared in the Toronto Star) in JW:
"At the Jamal Islamiya mosque in this seaside town, a Muslim lament of historic proportions is proclaimed in large letters on a framed poster: "In 1492, we lost everything."
For the mosque's leader, and much of the Muslim world, the year marks the traumatic conclusion of Islam's golden age, a time remembered like a collective wound.
It's a period when the last piece of Muslim-held territory in Spain fell to Catholic monarchs, ending almost 800 years of Moorish rule on the Iberian peninsula.
Centuries when poetry, science and architecture flourished under Islamic caliphs expired with bonfires of Arabic manuscripts, mass expulsion and extermination in the Inquisition.
To the east, the Muslim empire of the Ottomans would reign for another four centuries. But many would trace its long decline to the fall of Al Andalus, the Moorish name for Andalusia.
The result is a yearning that today makes Spain, more than any other
European country, a battleground in the name of Islam.
"They stole 500 years of history from us," says Omar Checa Garcia, who heads the Jamal Islamiya mosque and cultural centre. "We want it back, but we don't want revenge."
What does it mean to want it back without wanting revenge? Just restore the Islamic state and there will be no reprisals?
Others are not so accommodating. Osama bin Laden uses what he calls the "tragedy of Al Andalus" as a rallying cry for his deadly brand of Islamic jihad against "the crusaders and Jews."
After the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks on the United States, bin Laden's chief lieutenant, Ayman al Zawahiri, drew a parallel between the loss of the Iberian peninsula and the struggle of Palestinians.
"We will not accept that the tragedy of Al Andalus be repeated in Palestine," he said....
On March 11, 2004, a cell of mainly Moroccan extremists, calling themselves "the brigade situated in Al Andalus," detonated 10 bombs that killed 191 people on Madrid commuter trains...."
Posted by: Hugh at April 13, 2007 3:52 PM
You mean this did not work...
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/015959.php
and this...
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/013373.php
Perhaps more beads will solve it!
Posted by: greatcometof1577 at April 13, 2007 3:57 PM
From the JW Archives, a news story from April 2004:
"Muslims divided over request for use of Cathedral
Cordoba (AsiaNews/IslamOnline) – "We don't need to ask for the Vatican's intercession (to pray in Cordoba Cathedral) since it is a historical site," Munir Al-Musiri of The Islamic Cultural Center of Madrid (ICCM) told IslamOnline. "This is nonsense, I myself have prayed there many times." Some Muslims deny that they have need to seek permission from Rome to worship in the Roman Catholic Cathedral in Cordoba, the city which had been the heart of Moorish Spain in the eighth century, the church which once had been one of Islam's holiest mosques.
On April 19th the Islamic Council of Spain lodged a formal request with the Vatican to allow Muslims to pray in the former mosque. "The request was very well received," Mansur Excudero, the Secretary of the Council had stated.
Zakarias Maza, director of the Taqwa mosque in nearby Granada expressed, "We hope the Vatican will give a sign that it has a vision of openness and dialogue… Cordoba has been a symbol of the union of three cultures for centuries. Even now, Jews and Muslims live together with Christians in the neighborhood around the mosque."
Local politicians also backed the move. Antonio Hurtado, a spokesman for the local Socialist party told El Mundo, "We hope to see Cordoba become a place for the meeting of the faiths."
Yet Musiri stated he had no idea a national Islamic group besides the ICCM existed in Spain. He believes the request was brought forward by individuals who "were in no position to speak for the entire Muslim community in Spain." Fearing that this type of individual initiative would spark a certain "Islamophobia" during today's sensitive times, Musiri cautioned, "It will play well in the hand of some people and western media, which could add fuel to the fire and say Muslims want to re-conquer Al-Andalus (Spain)."
Some of Spain's Catholic's have been angered by the proposal that Muslims share their worship space. "Will Christians be able to pray in the mosques of Morocco, Saudi Arabia, Iran or Kuwait?" one Catholic demanded on a religious website.
A member of the Islamic Council of Spain, Isabel Romero, stated her perspective of the motion. "In no way is this request about reclaiming our right, far less about any kind of re-conquest," she told a local newspaper. "Instead, we want to give our support to the universal character of this building."
The Cathedral stands at the heart of a UNESCO heritage world site.
On March 3rd, however, a different picture was painted, when as Sunday Mass barely concluded, participants of the Third International Congress of Moslem Woman attempted to perform a communal prayer before the mihrab, challenging staff that tried to impede the forbidden act of worship, actions that would most likely bring the death of any Christian attempting the same in a mosque in a Muslim country.
Recently, a prominent Spanish Muslim, Abderrahman Muhammad Manan, wrote that the ancient mosque should be freed and that, "We Moslems cannot stand behind, saying that Islam is not stones or monuments. To do so is to not give account of what things are in their essences, and in its essence Alhama is Islam in our land, as is Al-Andalus, Andalucia; it is the remembrance of a colonization, of a genocide, of an expulsion." Alhama and Andalucia are areas in Spain with much Islamic history.
Bishop of Cordoba, Msgr. Juan Jose Asenjo, has made no official response to the request but affirmed that the diocese "must be very prudent" in responding to the petition of the Islamic Council."
Posted by: Hugh
at April 13, 2007 4:00 PM
From JW, March 2005:
"At the Jamal Islamiya mosque in this seaside town, a Muslim lament of historic proportions is proclaimed in large letters on a framed poster: "In 1492, we lost everything."
For the mosque's leader, and much of the Muslim world, the year marks the traumatic conclusion of Islam's golden age, a time remembered like a collective wound.
It's a period when the last piece of Muslim-held territory in Spain fell to Catholic monarchs, ending almost 800 years of Moorish rule on the Iberian peninsula.
Centuries when poetry, science and architecture flourished under Islamic caliphs expired with bonfires of Arabic manuscripts, mass expulsion and extermination in the Inquisition.
To the east, the Muslim empire of the Ottomans would reign for another four centuries. But many would trace its long decline to the fall of Al Andalus, the Moorish name for Andalusia.
The result is a yearning that today makes Spain, more than any other
European country, a battleground in the name of Islam.
"They stole 500 years of history from us," says Omar Checa Garcia, who heads the Jamal Islamiya mosque and cultural centre. "We want it back, but we don't want revenge."
What does it mean to want it back without wanting revenge? Just restore the Islamic state and there will be no reprisals?
Others are not so accommodating. Osama bin Laden uses what he calls the "tragedy of Al Andalus" as a rallying cry for his deadly brand of Islamic jihad against "the crusaders and Jews."
After the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks on the United States, bin Laden's chief lieutenant, Ayman al Zawahiri, drew a parallel between the loss of the Iberian peninsula and the struggle of Palestinians.
"We will not accept that the tragedy of Al Andalus be repeated in
Palestine," he said....
On March 11, 2004, a cell of mainly Moroccan extremists, calling themselves "the brigade situated in Al Andalus," detonated 10 bombs that killed 191 people on Madrid commuter trains...."
Posted by: Hugh at April 13, 2007 4:02 PM
Katie C. - This 'Merican won't buy a tuna sammich from someone who attends a mosque, much less vote for him. I will consider voting for someone who ONCE attended a mosque, but now formally rejects his/her islamic faith. Of course, that rejection comes with a pre-packaged death sentence courtesy of the religion of peas.
p.s. - still think you are perky and cute as hell. Must be something wrong with me.
at April 13, 2007 4:02 PM
Mert,
Try this link from the Jihad Watch archive:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/015869.php#comments
Cheers,
http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com
Posted by: Doctor Bulldog at April 13, 2007 4:03 PM
All over the Arab lands, there are "Palestine Streets" and "Palestine Hotels" (see Baghdad, for example), and Haifa Streets, and just as often, "Al-Andalus Streets." Why, the American consulate in Jiddah, Saudi Arabia that was the subject of attack on December 6, 2004 is located at the corner of Palestine and Al-Andalus. One wonders if any members of its staff, or if anyone in the American government, quite understands the significance of those carefully-chosen topoynyms.
Posted by: Hugh at April 13, 2007 4:04 PM
Doctor I am searching the link for your meaning but my graphics card died today and the computer is capable of static text and music. The slightest move of the mouse wheel brings waves of text and a large migraine. But I think I see your point.
at April 13, 2007 4:16 PM
I'll see you all this comin' fall in the Big Rock Candy Mountains!
Posted by: interestinconundrum
Did you write this? VERY GOOD!
at April 13, 2007 4:19 PM
I'll see you all this comin' fall in the Big Rock Candy Mountains!
Posted by: interestinconundrum
Did you write this? VERY GOOD!
at April 13, 2007 4:19 PM
Has for idn batutta, how can an expansionist religion like yours claim fair rights on any patch of land outside of the house in Mecca where your so called prophet lived?
Muhammad started your religion for his own reasons and that means the true Islamic claim to land consists of a shop and easily disputed rights on a cave. Everything else is conquest and belonged to somebody else before yours even existed.
at April 13, 2007 4:20 PM
In all of history, with its patterns of attack and displacement of "indigenous cultures" and "indigenous peoples", there is only one group that has successfully resisted total annihilation in its homeland and has in fact retaken their native land (as Jews came to Israel from the Muslim Mideast and from Nazi Europe). That is the Jewish people. One has to admire their extraordinary tenacity. They are now in Israel to stay.
Posted by: Frank
Not quite accurate. The spanish are STILL in Andalucia. And if there's a brigade to save the Spanish Republic that I can sign up in.. let me know!
As of now.. Spain is Master of her territories including Andalucia. We just have to make sure things stay that way. Ditto for Israel.
And since islam is always making territorial claims on US.. yes, I consider the whole West US... then WE shall start to make some claims of our own!
Konstantinopoulos for the Greeks!
the Balkans for the Orthodiox Serbs!
Cyprus is GREEK!!
Return Mecca to the Jews NOW!!
Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 13, 2007 4:25 PM
And they call us colonialists.
Don't you love the double standard of the left?
And then the bondage of political correctness to make sure you don't point out their double standard.
Posted by: alaskan1000 at April 13, 2007 4:28 PM
Alaskan.. I hope to see the day when we use our Might to make things Right!
PS:
"Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces."
Do they not understand Jesus, when He says, "a house devided among itself cannot stand."
Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 13, 2007 4:31 PM
After a while, running away only leaves you out of Breath. To think of all that, on the Job Training, the Spaniards lost out on by leaving Iraq. Those skills would have really come in handy when the time comes.
Looks like they ran out of running room.
They should be encouraged to re-join the Party
Posted by: flowerknife_us at April 13, 2007 4:33 PM
Tomorrow, I might put up a website saying (By putting the word al-Qaeda in the title, because people will then pay attention to me) that I have the ultimate desire to reconquer New Mexico in the name of the Mexican government, you never know...
Just doing some thinking...
Posted by: An American
You go ahead and do that. Maybe you can help draw some much-needed focus onto the Souther Border.
Ditto the Border to the North.. sorry Canadians, but Torontistan harbours quite a few MoFoes.
Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 13, 2007 4:35 PM
Hugh-
Letting the Muslims do anything in Spain re symbols is like letting the Nazis have a Swastika at Stalingrad. The Muslims were invaders and they were expelled. In history, expulsion does not occur unless the invaders fail to successfully exterminate the culture of "indigenous people". Muslims failed to exterminate Spaish culture. (They succeeded in North Africa.)
Islam is indeed the most successful rationalization system for dominance, exploitation and the destruction of "indigenous cultures" in history. Hitler admired Islam for that reason. Its rationalizations, supported by rituals and Islamic costumes make it "religion".
Our species is good at justifying such things, but Muslims are really good at it. They are even self-righteous about it. After all, they can quote "God" in the Koran to justify making a "Dhimmi" of "the other". No other group (Aztec, Spaniard, Hun, Visigoth, Roman, etc.) ever had such a perfect system to justify exploitation, deception, conquest and genocide (as in India). And, at its core, Islam is still Arab Imperialism.
Posted by: Frank at April 13, 2007 4:40 PM
RE:Ditto the Border to the North.. sorry Canadians, but Torontistan harbours quite a few MoFoes.
So does Vancouverstan, Calgaristan, Kamloopstan, Quebecstan, just to name a few...
Posted by: The Resistance at April 13, 2007 4:41 PM
And this from the Trojan Horse's Mouth:
Irish Muslim convert Khalid Kelly, a supporter of the British Islamic fundamentalist group al-Muhajiroun, insisted: "Anyone who says terrorism is not part of Islam is wrong. It's an Islamic responsibility to fight. We are all terrorists."
at April 13, 2007 4:46 PM
And this:
"Die Demokratie ist nur der Zug, auf den wir aufsteigen, bis wir am Ziel sind. Die Moscheen sind unsere Kasernen, die Minarette unsere Bajonette, die Kuppeln unsere Helme und die Gläubigen unsere Soldaten."
- Tayyip Erdogan, türkischer Ministerpräsident, anno 1998
"Democracy is but a train which be board [ascend], until we have arrived at our goal. The mosks are our Barracaks, the minarets our bayonets, the domes our helmets and the believers are our soldiers."
- Tayyip Ergodan, PM Turkey
Exhibit XYZ - ad infinitum
I am formally requesting that our American friends NO LONGER continue to push us to allow this to enter the European Union. There are better ways to deal with an economic competitor. Throwing out Western Culture for economic gain is shortsighted.
IMHO Turkey doesn't belong in NATO either. The threat *against* NATO comes from Turkey and its jihadist ilk.
God, I *pray* for a decent President in 2008!!
Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 13, 2007 5:11 PM
Al-Qaeda is the symtom, not the problem. Islam is the problem. Killing OBL would change nothing.
Posted by: Elric6
It would cause me great joy!
at April 13, 2007 5:13 PM
"We will not be in peace until we set our foot again in our beloved al-Andalus,"
They like to cut a thief's hands.. let the Spanish CUT THEIR FEET!
at April 13, 2007 5:14 PM
allahfanculo
"Irish Muslim convert Khalid Kelly, a supporter of the British Islamic fundamentalist group al-Muhajiroun"
if it wasn't for the IRA ceasefire he would be planting bombs in the name of a free irish republic. so instead of joining the IRA, this violent moron turned to islam to excuse his psychopath nature.
i fully believe that the west will see many more disollusioned anti-capitalists and eco-warriors turning to islam as a counter protest.
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at April 13, 2007 5:53 PM
Khalid Kelly. He must be really lonely in the pub. Maybe he drinks non-alcohol Guinness. Trust me, this guy is weird.
Posted by: Frank at April 13, 2007 6:35 PM
and spain wants to build a rail link from ceuta to the mainland?
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer
If things ever get official and there's an army of jihadists massing thru the tunnel.. I'd like to think that a smart Spanish engineer would remember the weak points and where to pull the plug.. :-)
Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 13, 2007 7:00 PM
i fully believe that the west will see many more disollusioned anti-capitalists and eco-warriors turning to islam as a counter protest.
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer
Oh, boy.. I thought the Germans with a violent streak turned from Nazism to Sozism and Green-ism.. now they'll turn to islamo-fascism..
.. we need some of those violent folks within our midst to turn against islam.
Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 13, 2007 7:29 PM
Pelayo . . .
Several years ago there was a series of articles in New Mexico's newspapers about hispanic (Spanish descent) people who believed that their ancestors were Jewish. They converted to Catholicism either before or after emigrating to the Western US. I have long forgotten some of the details, but the theme of the article was that their ancestors were most likely Jews from Spain.
They were the Conversos
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/cup/catalog/data/023112/023112936X.HTM
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw/Mexico.html
at April 13, 2007 7:32 PM
Oh and did I read that the Mos are complaining about the pain and the suffering inflicted by 800 years of Spanish occupation of.. Spain!??!!!
Let's add the folwoing to the list of Western Grievances against the Religion of War:
Emotional pain and suffering.. and looting and rape and murder of Spanish citizens by the invading islamonazis.
Cost to be tallied up. Party to be hed legally responsible as they hold Mecca and Medina.. and thus are the legal heirs to the islamist invadors of Spain: S A U D I A R A B I A.
We shall send you the bill, dear "king" Abdula. On behalf of the People of Spain.
Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 13, 2007 7:37 PM
"They stole 500 years of history from us," says Omar Checa Garcia, who heads the Jamal Islamiya mosque and cultural centre. "We want it back, but we don't want revenge."
The CHOOTZPUH!!!!
Well, WE Europeans want revenge for the abuse we have faced within our lands.. that includes 500 or so years of moslems occupying Spain.. the churches they ave loote dna dburned in Serbia and beyond.. The lands still under Turkish occupation.. stolen from Bulgaria and Greece.. shall I go on?!
The moslems do NOT want to go there.
Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 13, 2007 8:02 PM
ElderlyZionist
Thanks for the additional lyrics. I am looking up Harry McClintock right now.. real busy day at work here.
Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 13, 2007 8:05 PM
exsgtbrown:
Spain was at a "very high risk" of suffering an Islamist attack."
....yep, appeasing the terrorists by withdrawing your troops in Iraq after just one attack sure works wonders!...does it not......
Except that is incorrect. How many times have I heard Americans falsely peddle that story? Many times
The Spanish, like many people, do not like being lied to by their Government. You should understand that, right? José Marie Aznar tried to blame the 3/3 event on the terrorist group ETA (who want the Basque regions of Spain+France as a separate country)(because he thought that if he told people the truth, that it was Islamic jihadists responsible, that with an election imminent, the people might vote his Government out).
But it became clear that it was Moroccan Jihadists, and the people perceived that José Marie Aznar had tried to buy their vote by being less than truthful, and as a result they voted for the opposition. It was a hot issue in the election with the Spanish brimming in anger for their Government. So not Dhimmitude.
Now maybe the Spanish are regretting their vote in anger after this time, but that is another story...
Posted by: UK Infidel Lover at April 13, 2007 8:52 PM
How do you say the paraphrase of Cato the Elder's old quote "Cathago delende est." ( "Carthage must be destroyed."):
ISLAM DELENDE EST.
in Spanish?
El Islam debe ser destruido?
However you say it, the sooner it is done, the safer the free world will be.
Posted by: profitsbeard at April 13, 2007 9:06 PM
Personally I would prefer "Religio Mohammedorum delenda est"
This Latin phrase is used for Islam at:
http://dli.iiit.ac.in/cgi-bin/Browse/scripts/use_scripts/advnew/metainfo.cgi?&barcode=2020050069044
at April 13, 2007 11:32 PM
oops - should have read : Mohammedanorum
sorry
at April 13, 2007 11:33 PM
Frank-
Your comments strike a chord with me, but don't you think the radical Islamists know they are playing in a whole warehouse of very old, unturned dynamite crates? Yes they are desperate to capitalize on the oil revenue and on demographics as you say. But it seems difficult to say whether they seek glory by ultimate global conquest or in their own final spectacular destruction. Sooner or later we will engage them in a fight(s) that will make Iraq look like a sandbox spat. Maybe it doesn't matter to them since either outcome is the very embodiment of Islam's infallible and firm promise to her blind subjects.
The Islamists are clearly very keen on manipulating the political climate of all countries where they are present (last time I checked that was all but about 40 sovereign states). If their own destruction is the final result you can be sure they will leverage all power and influence and hardware at their command to make sure it is a MAD scenario. I would not be surprised if this has been the plan all along.
Posted by: lycaste at April 13, 2007 11:34 PM
Migrants or Invaders? African Migrants Trying to Reach Europe Attack Spanish Patrol Boat
April 13th, 2007
* Mauretania is a desolate Muhammedan wasteland where slavery is rampant. Bringing their culture to you:
SANTA CRUZ DE TENERIFE, Canary Islands —
from FOX News
African migrants trying to reach Spain by boat hurled Molotov cocktails at a patrol vessel that tried to stop them — the first known attack in the drama of Africans risking their lives for a toehold in Europe.
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at April 14, 2007 3:49 AM
What goes around comes around?
Sounds like the beginning of the crusades all over again from 710-711 AD.
Posted by: SoteriA at April 14, 2007 4:08 AM
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