From the Fox News web site version of the story:

The students and faculty were barricading themselves in their classrooms after what one person described as an Asian male wearing a vest opened fire.

Asian Male? Oh, stay tuned, people. This could get very very interesting. And if it is true, I can't wait to see how much PC Tip Toeing will done by the slime in the media, the government, law enforcement, and from officials of the University.

Posted by: Oiznop at April 16, 2007 5:01 PM

Very interesting. In the UK, Asian is the term often used to describe Pakistanis (as well as Indians), who are southeast Asian. This term is not usually used here, especially by a college student who was the one who first used it in this case.

Stay tuned indeed.

Posted by: Papa Bear at April 16, 2007 5:06 PM

They can throw all the resources they want at this investigation. It still doesn't mean we'll get the truth or a likely/probable motive. Remember the mall shooting in Utah last February by that Bosnian Muslim kid? Has the public been told why that rampage occurred? I'm not saying today's massacre was a case of sudden-jihad syndrome. I'm just saying that if it was, the authorities will never inform the public. What do they think? That regular Americans would act like muslims & go on a murderous rampage after receiving such news?

Posted by: sheik yer booty at April 16, 2007 5:07 PM

slaughtering innocent people, no matter who the killer is, is a terror incident....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at April 16, 2007 5:08 PM

What I find very interesting is that the shooter is most likely NOT a student living on campus, and probably not a student at all. Why?

1) A student would not be able to smuggle ammunition and handguns into his room with roommates very easily. In my experience, such things are pretty transparent in a tight dorm living space.

2) If we're dealing with a student from VA Tech, he most certainly would have been identified by now. How many "Asian" students do they have? A quick profiling by racial records and copies of student photos from ID cards and presto.

3) If the shooter lives on campus -- then they already know who he is. 31 victims + 1 dead shooter. It's not too hard to do the math from on-campus housing. Someone is going to be missing a roommate.

4) If he's not living on campus, the chances of the shooter not being a student at all increase.

5) The officials have refused to even give a description of the shooter -- not if he's young, old, black, white, etc. That's very interesting.

6) This shooter had a very good plan, like locking the building doors closed to keep help from intervening and the students trapped in the building -- and he's supposedly killed himself. Do all such shooters always kill themselves? What would be the point of killing "randomly" if not for some very serious agenda. Ideology makes more sense to me than to try to blame this on video games again, even though there have already been "experts" on talking about that syndrome. Patently absurd.

The "suicide" tendency lends itself to all sorts of other obvious correlations, but it could just be one more crazy kid. Or not.

7) If they can't identify this student from handguns (he supposedly had 2 at least), then how did he get his hands on unregistered weapons in Virginia as a "student"? Again, either the police and FBI are incredibly slow at ID'ing this shooter or there is reason to keep the facts from coming out quickly -- or altogether. If the shooter is NOT a student, they can be successful at covering some things up. If he is, it will be impossible.

Posted by: Foehammer at April 16, 2007 5:12 PM

"Asian" is US parlance usually means an Oriental, unlike in the UK, where the term is used exclusively to describe immigrants from the Sub-Continent - much to the chagrin of Indians who, unfortunately get tainted with the same brush when the press uses the term to identify a muslim or a pakistani.

So an "Asian" in this case is most probably a Chinese?

Posted by: Hermit at April 16, 2007 5:13 PM

I bet not. "Asian" means Chinese or IndoChinese. This is probably about a young man and a woman who once gave him a sense of identity. A different meaning to the phrase, "The usual."

Posted by: StillBreathing at April 16, 2007 5:14 PM

How about Indonesian?

Posted by: DownWithIslam at April 16, 2007 5:15 PM

If the shooter is an "Asian" the chances of a Muslim shooter are far greater than if he is "white". That much we definitely know.

I do know that an Asian reporter was arrested and photographed. Whether or not the "Asian" was grabbed as a result of suspect descriptions or because of his own actions remains to be seen.

And yes, certainly, there is a very large chance that this shooter is not even an American citizen. He might be of any race or national origin or religion at this point because the authorities are keeping it all secret. Indonesian would be a very big red flag if that was ever disclosed. 99% Muslim.

Posted by: Foehammer at April 16, 2007 5:18 PM

Not surprising, just like what happened in Salt Lake City, Utah, with that horric mall shooting. But as the days follow, the real information gets out for all to read.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at April 16, 2007 5:19 PM

Would not suprise me if the term "Asian man" means someone who is Muslim. What we are dealing here is possible PC code talk.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at April 16, 2007 5:22 PM

I'm having a tremendous problem with the claims of the VA Tech police and faculty that they didn't further lock down the campus after the first shooting because "they thought they had the situation contained".

What the hell does that mean -- if they "had it contained" than that would mean the shooter was either caught, killed or off-campus and identified and/or under pursuit!

So, there's a very good chance that there were TWO shooters involved. And if that is not the case, prepare for a firestorm when parents rightly demand to know why that campus wasn't swarming with police after the first shooting and students were not told to go home immediately.

There are definitely very strange things afoot at VA Tech.

Posted by: Foehammer at April 16, 2007 5:26 PM

That's right bigcatgirl13106, we wouldn't want to cast the religion of peace in a bad light seeing they are generally so peaceful. Nothing to see here folks, move along.....

Posted by: DownWithIslam at April 16, 2007 5:26 PM

I normally "push back" on such developing stories when there is a presumption that a criminal is an Islamist until the facts are known. But in this case even I fear that our suspicions may be borne out.

The word "Asian" can be used to gloss over anything. Could be a Filipino Muslim, or a Thai Buddhist.

Still no gun control in USA though, I assume. If all young "Asian" men in USA decided to exercise their right to bear arms, how many lives would it cost to control them?

Posted by: The Contrarian at April 16, 2007 5:34 PM

If they say it was a "youth", we'll know.
BTW, the police spokesperson said they have no information on the identity or motive of the dead suspect, but he stressed that it was not terror related.

Posted by: special_guest at April 16, 2007 5:35 PM

I love how the FIRST person MSNBC talked to was a 'middle eastern' student who tut-tutted about violent America and how it was different where he was from he wasn't used to 'our' presumeably terrible culture. Huh? Preemptive PC??

Oh Lord. This will have the wonderful result of bringing the gun control zealots crashing down on us big time to make sure we're as helpless as the Swedes in Malmo when the real terror hits us.

Posted by: poetcomic1 at April 16, 2007 5:37 PM

I first heard of this story on radio, about 6:30pm UK time, when the count was 22 dead. My first reaction (other than the sudden wave of sadness I felt) was "that many? this has got to be a muslim attack". Question is, am I cynical, or am I educated? I guess the coming hours will tell.

My thoughts go out to the US tonight.

Posted by: Uriel Septim at April 16, 2007 5:39 PM

> Still no gun control in USA though, I assume. If all young "Asian" men in USA
> decided to exercise their right to bear arms, how many lives would it cost
> to control them?

If people were properly armed, not many.

As long as America is partially disarmed, the massacres will continue.

Posted by: Kristopher at April 16, 2007 5:40 PM

We're still in speculation mode,but this could turn out to be more than a disgruntled youth bent up with resentment and video game derangement syndrome.

If this was indeed the work of one individual, the lack of ID, amount of ammo, the barricading of doors,suggests either a death wish,or a possible militaristic training background, either army or some sort of "network." "Asian" doesn't begin to dissect this guy. The official rhetoric will provide some grains of truth here.

Posted by: We need G.C. Scott at April 16, 2007 5:40 PM

In the US, 'Asian' means Chinese, Korean, Indo-Chinese (Vietnamese, Cambodian), Thai, Malay, Indonesian. Curiously enough, Indian is typically not included under this umbrella. While they may resent being called 'Asian' in UK, in the US, that would be a complement, given who they would be bunched with.

As some have suggested above, if they turn out to be Indonesian or Malay (or S Filipino or S Thai), that would make this simply more outrageous. Somehow, the drip effect doesn't seem to be happening.

If they're not going to release names, they shouldn't release such broad generalizations either. Next, we'll be talking about Carbon based life forms.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at April 16, 2007 5:41 PM

"no immediate evidence to suggest it was a terrorist attack"

After the first plane struck the first tower.

"no immediate evidence to suggest it was a terrorist attack that was part of multiple terrorist attacks"

Condoleezza Rice "could have predicted"

If the person who did it was Muslim or Pakistani, how do they alert every local cop, private security guard, campus police force, etc. that there is a greater risk than is being told to the public without it leaking to the public?

How do they know the shooter didn't get help from someone, even a suggestion on what gun to use? How do they know the friend didn't alert others to try a second attack tomorrow or next week or next month? Hasn't it been said that a sequence of attacks would create more terror than a single attack?

Even if the shooter acted out of personal motives, how do they know a friend he told didn't pass the information along? Could they have decided to wait and see, and if the guy did it, they would do a second one the next day or next week?

Wouldn't it help people if we knew the identity of the shooter? How good a job did they do before 9-11 putting together the information they had?

How does an FBI agent in the Minneapolis office know that they need to get a search warrant on a borderline case? What about the Phoenix office? What if its just a campus security guard who has suspicions that the university president won't let him pass on to the FBI? How does that person argue to the university president that they do need to look at a student's computer in their dorm room? Or scan the computers in the library?

How do the authorities know for sure none of that could happen? Like they did before 9-11?

Some may criticize them for not acting more promptly and releasing a description, if they had one, after the first attack? What if after the first attack, they had no description, but said to the students, look out for Asians who look suspicious? What if they had done that and no second attack had happened?

Did they figure, if we say nothing and there is a second attack no one will blame us for not saying look out for Asians? Did they figure if they said look out for Asians or Muslims they would interfere with the immigration "reform" bill and expansion of legal immigration?

When students die, they clean out their dorm room and fill it with new students from here or there. If the immigration bill is held up, that might interfere with their getting students from there. President Bush just said he was pushing a new bill. Is their financial interest in the immigration bill a factor in their decision after the first attack not to act more strongly with better warnings?

Re: President George Bush Renewing Efforts on Immigration

Debbie Schlussel update on VT story

Posted by: Old Atlantic at April 16, 2007 5:41 PM

Stay tune folks, things are going to get very interesting.....

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at April 16, 2007 5:41 PM

Yes if every American has an RPG and suitcase Nuke then the USA would be a much safer place eh?

"Properly armed" LOL

Posted by: The Contrarian at April 16, 2007 5:42 PM

Well, they just revealed on FOXNews that it's legal to carry firearms with a permit in VA, but NOT on college campuses. So people just go slaughtered like sheep because obviously badguys don't worry about permits.

This is a perfect example of why if I was back in college, I'd be armed. And if someone wanted to arrest me over it, I'd just remind them of VA Tech.

If Beslans start to happen, expect Texans like me to be walking around with holsters again.

Posted by: Foehammer at April 16, 2007 5:42 PM

no immediate evidence to suggest it was a terrorist attack

The press conference didn't inspire much confidence that the university officials know which way is up, let alone what kind of motive could be involved.

As is all too common, the officials at the press conference seemed more concerned with damage control and making excuses that no, really, the system worked.

Most shocking is the rather "ho-hum" reaction on the part of the university to the first shooting: Is is that commonplace that it's no longer considered something to get all worked up about?

Whatever the motive turns out to be, the mishandling of this case and ensuing inquiries and lawsuits will have implications on "first response" to future attacks-- with the public outrage that is brewing, hopefully it will change for the better, though at the unacceptable price of 32 lives.

Posted by: MarisolJW at April 16, 2007 5:43 PM

When asked by a journalist on Channel 4 News that whether this was not a time when US looked at its liberal gun laws, Lionel Shriver said that she doubted if that would have avoided today's tragedy and put it down to a "bad human weather" day.

Wonderful.

Posted by: Hermit at April 16, 2007 5:43 PM

I won’t speculate but I will say this,
Jihadists in the past who have been discounted don’t motivate anyone else to perpetrate crimes in the same fashion, no, never, never, never. Just keep saying it over and over and maybe it will come true. That’s right as someone on fauxnews said, video games were possibly connected, GTA or Doom could be responsible. I watched the three stooges from about 10 years old yet amazingly I have never beat anyone over the head with a hammer or lead pipe, same thing with the roadrunner/wile e coyote. We played war, we were taught to shoot at 12, we had slingshots, firecrackers, bows they even sold small working cannons and we made our own tennis ball launchers. Interesting how the people of today lack the needed skills to distinguish between real life and TV or video games. When jihadists attack and are backed up by pols/authorities as not being jihad related there are consequences! And look how totally unprepared the police were, dragging wounded around like sacks of potatoes after the perp was killed and a full two hours after the first killing occurred. Years after 911 and they still are not prepared in the least and that is almost as bad as the killings themselves. Thank God this wasn’t a jihadist planned group attack, hundreds would be dead right now. Ever heard of a stretcher, think it might be pertinent to have one or two handy just in case? That is one heck of an emergency plan they have in place. Well we wouldn’t want to appear as if people in the USA were being targeted so why get ready? It could be little green men from mars who saw how we cover our eyes when jihadists attack and so they decided we are ripe for the picking but now I am speculating. Gun bans set people up for exactly what we saw today.

Posted by: tgusa at April 16, 2007 5:45 PM

>Yes if every American has an RPG and suitcase Nuke
>then the USA would be a much safer place eh?
>
>"Properly armed" LOL

Nice strawman there, blowhard.

Posted by: Kristopher at April 16, 2007 5:45 PM

In the UK Asian means someone from India or Pakistan, people from China as Chinese or other as oriental.

I think it's not a religious related incident and people should not bet on it either. If I am wrong so be it but for now no one knows the truth for sure.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6560685.stm

From my other post on here i wrote:

What is terror?

'That is a good point but you have to go by considering are bank robberies terrorist acts?
There is terror in the word of the crime committed yes and the effect on people but I am not sure if this terrible act is of a political statement or a command from another source that provoked it.
The person could have been deranged from the similar conditioning that extremists use on martyrdoms, this could be from another form of mental break down like over obsessive ness on a particular theme from guns to the act it self as a fantasy needed playing out with a small trigger point to make it happen within. This in turns parallels with extremist views and acts of terror from over obsessive reading or control from cults, which in the end all end up with death on the agenda.

If the story is of a Belsan school nature that is signal to America as a whole, but since it was not a political organised group massacre its unlikely it was a real terror to change the politics within the country or a revenge attack on America'.

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Not related but funny disproportionate tantrums over culture clashes, I think its called humour by Gere as I bet most woman would not say no to that move on Shilpa Shetty and she knows it too.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6560371.stm

Posted by: jesusisthelamb at April 16, 2007 5:46 PM

CNN just had a muslem student organization member/rep expression his "sorry for your shootings" on TV.....interesting.

Posted by: Han_Solo at April 16, 2007 5:47 PM

Why didn't they search Al Gore after the first attack?

Posted by: Old Atlantic at April 16, 2007 5:47 PM

Oh, for God's sake, stop acting like people need guns to murder. Do you all forget so easily that bombs are killing innocents every day -- that jihadists try to run people down with vans and taxi cabs? The intent to murder is what kills people.

If a good, loyal American student with guts and a permit to carry had been in that campus building, at least half those students might have been saved.

You all have rights because of soldiers -- who carry weapons -- not because of Liberal muck-a-mucks that want to strip you of the means of defending yourselves and your children because "they know what's best for you".

Anyone that knows me will tell you, I hardly need a gun to kill you.

Posted by: Foehammer at April 16, 2007 5:48 PM

Nothing to see here, folks.. everybody move on..

Back to Anna Nicole [zap]

Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 16, 2007 5:49 PM

In the words of the loathsome Amiri Baraka:

The jihad will not be televised.

Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 16, 2007 5:51 PM

"Next, we'll be talking about Carbon based life forms."

i laughed. yes, "Asian" can mean several things in the U.S.; and it is taking quite a while to tell us the identity of a corpse. informing the next of kin? putting the next of kin on an airplane, like the Bin Laden family after 9/11?

i don't think it's muslim, but if it is... more folks now than before will say, "There is a basis for their psychosis. Some call it a religion."

Posted by: StillBreathing at April 16, 2007 5:54 PM

I love how the FIRST person MSNBC talked to was a 'middle eastern' student who tut-tutted about violent America and how it was different where he was from he wasn't used to 'our' presumeably terrible culture. Huh? Preemptive PC??

I'd love to see a copy of that one! If anyone has link to an online clip please post it.

What a slimy double talker. Good for him I don;t work for MSNBC. I'd have asked him what he was doing studying in the Good ol' if he has so many complaints.

I'd also have asked him if he thought that 9/11 was "American" violence. And the Utah mall shootings. And the Beltway snipers. And the Sudden-Jihad-while-driving syndrome...

And and and.. ad nauseam.

In two years Hitlery will be in power and the jihadists won;t have to worry about such persky little things like the Michael Savage show or Marc Levin anymore..

Hitlery who KISSSED arafart's wife on the cheek!

Forget not only the Frist amendment.

We MUST keep Satan out of the White House!!

Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 16, 2007 5:58 PM

I have my presumptions as do the rest of you, but I suggest we not venture to far down this path without information.

If we prove to be wrong the left is going to use this as an example of overreacting. We don't have to sit back and wait for the law enforcement to tell us. The students will be doing it soon enough.

We will see students in magazines and on television for the next 10 years talking about this.

If anyone on this site wants to guess or bet the outcome to this......then someone needs to find out what and where CAIR is right now.

If CAIR is meeting with the lawenforcement or the FBI, then there is your presumed guilt. If CAIR is not meeting with lawenforment or the FBI then everyone needs to back up on the accusations.

The big fear is we don't even have a perpetrators name or motive and the Democrats and media are already calling for gun restrictions. Your 2nd Ammendment. Your Constitutional rights are ok only if it fits the liberal agenda.

If there is a Middle Eastern connection will all of the Hollywood left, Rosie, and the conspiracy theorists praise this person and blame the war in Iraq? Yes. And if it is an American then they will blame the gun lobby, the conservatives and Pres. Bush. Otherwards, here is another movie in the making for Michael Moore.

No matter what happens the left will not blame the person that did this crime. He will be presented as a victim.

Posted by: alaskan1000 at April 16, 2007 5:59 PM

while we are waiting to find out if this is what we all expect or not, i think the main point just now is that this serves a terrible warning.
following the FBI/DHS warnings of attacks on schools, security should have been high at all educational establishments....

Posted by: M Al-Content at April 16, 2007 6:00 PM

Krissy,
Don’t respond to my post moron, go back and try to get your HS degree. Lotsa luck with that, though it will never happen, not in a million years.

Posted by: tgusa at April 16, 2007 6:00 PM

MarisolJW,

"no immediate evidence to suggest it was a terrorist attack"

Well no so suprising considering that law enforcement people do not want to get CAIR upset in any way, shape, or form.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at April 16, 2007 6:04 PM

Why shouldn't I keep surmising? So far I'm being proven right on more and more of my points earlier in this thread with every passing hour.

Posted by: Foehammer at April 16, 2007 6:05 PM

For instance -- they didn't lock down the school properly "because they assumed the shooter had left campus" after the first attack.

This ain't rocket science. The police are just very good at making it look like it.

Bring in the FBI fast.

Posted by: Foehammer at April 16, 2007 6:06 PM

Foehammer makes a lot of sense on his posts here.

I am curious as to how a an "average nut case" could ever inflict so much carnage on a whim. No, this madman had to have a high powered weapon, and a plan.

No ID yet? Does anyone remember the mall shootings in Utah. Did we hear once in the MSM who this killing little bastard was?

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2007/03/bosnian_muslims.html (WHY?: Bosnian Muslims Give Hero's Send-Off to Trolley Square Terrorist)

No, we don't know who this was who killed 32 (so far--many still bleeding and 30 more maimed--some will no doubt yet die)--but... will the MSM step up to the plate this time?

As noted on a previous post---one posts he would take the bet that it is a member of the religion of pieces. Yet I also would take the bet that if it is true, the MSM will cover it up again.

Posted by: BB at April 16, 2007 6:07 PM

tgusa, I believe Kristopher was retorting The Contrarian. And with good cause!

Posted by: fedupinamerica at April 16, 2007 6:08 PM

Foehammer, as more information comes out, could be in on something.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at April 16, 2007 6:10 PM

Anecdotal stories (true) from college:

Story #1

I had four roommates who were all off at training camp for the summer. I had to take some classes to graduate on schedule, and was living alone in the apartment. In good traditional fashion, there was a loaded 30-30 at the bedside.

It was one in the morning and there was someone in the bathroom going through the things in the medicine cabinet. It was either a roommate who was back early, or an intruder. I got up slowly and picked up the rifle. My heart was pounding, I took a deep breath, cocked the rifle loudly, and screamed the name of one of my roommates at the top of my lungs.

Whoever it was ran through the living room and jumped off the second story porch. I don’t think it was my roommate. I'll never forget that one.

Story #2

A friend had a similar wakening up experience. He was a braver than me and snuck up behind a man stealing his TV with a handgun. The burglar was pretty startled when my friend said hello. He was nice enough to put down the TV where he found it and dial the police himself.
...........

Gun ownership can be ‘reasonably regulated’ by the government. Like any regulation, it will creep. If this shooter was a Muslim with a handgun, expect the government’s response to be to try to restrict gun ownership. That was the subject of the first question at the morning press conference.

Posted by: pez at April 16, 2007 6:12 PM

Ok, I take it all back. Sorry Kristopher.

Posted by: tgusa at April 16, 2007 6:12 PM

You can use your own hands to kill too, but using a gun is more destructive hence the weapons of mass destruction fear among the world. That guy was probably a wimp, a wimp that had a gun who was able to kill more than 30 people within an Hour. Slightly faster than a doing it by hand if he tried. Once you have guns the control is social fear too, you say someone has one and that bloke is mad leave him alone you will, even if you can punch him out cold, wimps by bodily strength is not the fear any more its the determined types which mentally can spread across more aggressive personalities. This fear of death being almost certain has less personal attachment from looking in the eye of the victim up close which makes it that much more easy. Military research has suggested that that soldiers are less likely to feel guilty or mentally unable to cope if they see the victims as half the time they never see the result, and why bombing by plane almost makes it a less guilt trip on the mind. I would rather have people being protected by a bat than a gun, people all having guns on top of many other weapons in the world is worse than non. In Europe there is no fear or need for a gun in the home, once everyone has one everyone can fear the next person who has one too.

Posted by: jesusisthelamb at April 16, 2007 6:13 PM

@bigcatgirl13106: I'd prefer to be "on to something" and not "in on something". The later would get me arrested. But I get your meaning. :]

Posted by: Foehammer at April 16, 2007 6:18 PM

Just because it is not related to Muslims or the Middle East does not mean it was not a terrorist event.

Terrorism is defined as: The calculated use of violence (or threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear.

This person calculated a use of violence against civilian college kids to attain a goal.

It doesn't matter if it is a pastor's wife going postal, the mailman going postal or Leonard Peltier being in on murdering FBI agents in western South Dakota. Terrorism is exactly what happened at the college.
Having had 2 experiences in America of dolts shooting in my direction one does not care whether the person's name is Ahab or Doper Tommy, it all gets your attention in a hurry.

Knowing the area, I would deem this Asian is going to turn up to be more Islam than not as this story should have broke already with a name. Someone is covering up identity and that usually means Islam.

Posted by: Lame Cherry at April 16, 2007 6:20 PM

With all this you all may have missed the other two stories today. about the muriatic acid in the playground in Texas. They left out what city in Texas in the Fox story. there was another in I think it was Maryland but using drain cleaner. the put these horrible chemicals on the playground toys. ON THE SLIDE FOR GOD'S SAKE. A two year old was badly burned.
Pakistan they protest march against the Red Mosque and now an Asian Murders 33 people on one of our College campuses in a state that has enough Muslims to produce a Congressmen like Virgil goode who sticks his neck out.

BTW I have heard several times today that there was more than one perp.
Immediately after the first announcement I went to the local TV station's website and got a video.
I'm learning that if you don't get there quick they un-say things they said earlier.

Posted by: auntbea at April 16, 2007 6:22 PM

"In Europe there is no fear or need for a gun in the home, once everyone has one everyone can fear the next person who has one too."

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Yes, good luck with that policy when Europeans can not criticize Islam for fear of armed government and jihadists both.

I'm amazed how few people know the fundamental reason for why Americans own guns. Remember that movie "V" with the European hero, written by a British writer - Alan Moore? Even he fails to understand that Americans own guns to keep our government "of the people" and not "ruling the people".

Good luck taking guns away from Americans. There'd be a damn Civil War over such an attempt, and that's exactly what the Founding Fathers intended.

Posted by: Foehammer at April 16, 2007 6:22 PM

Thanks for reminding me to refind my sentences a bit more. True it should be "on to something". :-)

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at April 16, 2007 6:24 PM

Whether it was a Muslim or not, the following, from Belmont Club, is pertinent:

If there is any silver lining to the tragedy, it is this: the campus shooting warns us how vulnerable an American campus is to a single armed man equipped only with handguns. Al-Qaeda terrorists all over the world must now be calculating how many more students they could have killed had a trained team of terrorists equipped with fragmentation grenades, automatic weapons and explosives launched an attack on an American institution of higher learning. Let's hope campus authorities are calculating their hypothetical response as well. I wouldn't bet on it, but no other bets are allowed.

I hope so too.

Posted by: ZionistYoungster at April 16, 2007 6:24 PM

There's no way in hell they haven't identified this shooter but leak silly information like "he was looking for his girlfriend" -- people on college campuses do not live in bubbles. They know who this guy is and if they do not, there's a darker reason that they are covering up, and if that ends up with it being Islamic jihad, then the only good news out of everything today would be that it will wake more Americans out of their stupor.

Any way you cut it, this incident should warn us all that more of this is coming and more of it can be prevented. But as long as leaders prefer to eat fillet mignon and posture for photo ops with Sharia leaders in the Middle East, I suppose our kids are expendable?

Posted by: Foehammer at April 16, 2007 6:26 PM

jesusisthelamb, Sorry for you then. I carry a .32 in my sleeve and a .45 colts auto-loader in my big truck. I get into some places that are very dangerous and have had to use the Colts 1911 2 times, and both times to conk the prick on the head. My hide-away .32 I have used only once, and without using it I would not be here to tell the tale. I am from Arizona and it is not only legal to carry there, it is encouraged. And the same in Georgia, Missouri, Colorado and Utah. You say that I am a wimp for using a gun, but trust me, I am not. The point is 'dont go to a gun fight unarmed'. But perhaps you would like to join me on one of my trips to East St Louis, IL, or East L A, or Dallas or Cincinnati or Detroit to drop off a load late at night, you are more than welcome to come along. you can cover me.

Posted by: QuadoLama at April 16, 2007 6:27 PM

The only defense is the Virgil Goode defense:

Paul Begala should apologize to Bay Buchanan, Pat and Virgil Goode

Posted by: Old Atlantic at April 16, 2007 6:28 PM

Okay, I'll go out on a limb and say it was a muslim.

The first shooting was at 7:15 A.M. Early morning is the mohammedans' blessed preferred time of atack.

It was well-thought out so it probably wasn't some disgruntled boyfriend or pissed off employee or flunking student who had a point to make to an ex-girlfriend or professor.

The gunman made a point of carrying no I.D. He may be part of a group that he did not want to be tied to quickly.

Posted by: 3812Michelle at April 16, 2007 6:34 PM

I think Europe is a really bad example, you all having acid tossed on you, being lit on fire, your children raped and tortured, even the police are being murdered. Doh, you want to be slaughtered have at it but don’t bring the rest of us down the same road. You think the islamists don’t have ak’s stashed in cashes somewhere waiting to break them out when the time comes? Much of Europe is hiding under the bed as we speak. Good lord some people never learn.
You know the drill Foehammer, no info speaks louder than words.

Posted by: tgusa at April 16, 2007 6:34 PM

Robert Spencer and his cult followers are on their knees praying hard for the shooter at the campus to be Muslim.

Posted by: idn batutta at April 16, 2007 6:37 PM

Universities like Europe are full of liberals and a no gun zone for the regular civilians, hence a thug (terrorist) with a gun, has no one to stop them before the carnage is ended. I say good for AMericans who keep themselves armed legally, look at the shooting at that Utah mall, luckily that islamist terrorists was stopped dead in his tracks by a gun toting honest person!

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at April 16, 2007 6:40 PM

If you google Virginia Jihad you’ll get all kinds of interesting results. I see the school also has a seeming large multicultural dept and a number of articles discussing muslim understanding.

I don’t see anything about the religious/national makeup of the school though, looking to see what percentage are of the religion of peace.

Posted by: sean at April 16, 2007 6:40 PM

"Asian," on U.S. college campuses, is a polite way to refer to just about anyone you think is not from Latin America but who has tannish-colored skin. And in law enforcement circles, "Asian" is an easy euphemism to avoid specifying whether you are talking about someone from Muslim regions or not. Law enforcement would resort to such euphemisms for at least two reasons. First, they are afraid of revenge attacks being made on random Muslims. Second, law enforcement is afraid of accidentally mislabeling perpetrators, and arousing public complaints from Muslims and charges of discrimination (which could lead to removing the officer temporarily or permanently from the job) or lawsuits from one group or another.

It's true the term "Asian" has been often used for Asians from the Far East: Chinese, Indochinese, Japanese, Koreans. In recent decades, "Asian" has often been a polite catch-all term for describing an unknown person you have seen who has "almond-shaped" eyes and/or eyes without the epicanthic fold. Rather than foolishly say "I saw a new person in class today. I think she's Chinese," -- when in fact she might be Thai, Korean, etc., -- you just say, "I think she's Asian." Then people often picture someone with almond-shaped eyes, and have a little guidance about whom to look for when scanning for the new student in class.

But "Asian," in the U.S., can also apply to people not of the Far East. So the term is very vague. It wasn't all that long ago that historians referred to Turkey as the beginning of "Asia." I think on maps the line between Asia and Europe still runs along the Western border of Turkey.

Posted by: traeh at April 16, 2007 6:41 PM

I don't want to jump to the conclusion that this guy was a Muslim either, or that this was a jihadist act, but I will admit it crossed my mind when I first heard about this, especially after the news reports went on to describe him as "Asian" later on (guess that makes me an "Islamophobe"... oops?). But at this point I can't help but be a little more suspicious given that, as Foehammer has already said, they still haven't identified the shooter yet. This incident began at 7:15 this morning. Almost twelve hours later and we still don't even have so much as a name? Very hard to believe the authorities don't know anything else about this scumbag by now.

Posted by: staff_of_magius at April 16, 2007 6:42 PM

We'll see, idn, we'll see.

Posted by: fedupinamerica at April 16, 2007 6:43 PM

"Well, they just revealed on FOXNews that it's legal to carry firearms with a permit in VA, but NOT on college campuses. So people just go slaughtered like sheep because obviously badguys don't worry about permits."

yeah I heard and thought the same thing too. I have always been torn about gun control. I understand the argument that bad guys are gonna get guns whether its legal or not but also the thought of a college campus full of gun-totin kids makes me extremely uncomfortable. Although there is no question that would have been preferable to what happened today

Posted by: kelisw at April 16, 2007 6:44 PM

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=67f_1176750363&p=1

An eyewitness account from a VT student who was shot in the arm.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at April 16, 2007 6:44 PM

Hey batutta,
What an ignorant remark.

Actually the odds are overwhelmingly in favor of a disgruntled Amish farmer or maybe even a member of Mother Teresa's order.

Posted by: Theseus at April 16, 2007 6:45 PM

Obviously, it is far too early to draw any conclusions with respect to the identity of the perpetrator or the perpetrator's religion.

Recently, in Canada a gunman opened fire at Dawson College in Montreal. The only reason the gunmen did not kill more people was because of the quick action of the police. They immediately (no questions asked) stormed into the building and took out the shooter.

I think there needs to be a review a security procedures at universities in the U.S.

The only people who are drawing rapid conclusions about this incident at Virginia Tech and condemning the United States and "violence", btw, are CNN slimeballs and other leftist media outlets. Lou Dobbs just featured a "report" about the "remarkable distinction" between school shootings in the U.S. vs the "rest of the world." Lou Dobbs' reporters maintain that in the U.S. it's "children shooting children." Hence, they're apparently already concluding that the perp at Virginia Tech was a child. As I gag. I guess it's preferable to have a Beslan style shoot-out with 330 children dead at the hands of adults, eh? From a Lou Dobbs' perspective, it just makes so much more "sense". That's the Dopey Dobbian view. They should convene a panel to ask what accounts for such speculations from so-called "reporters." (Now there's going to be much more by way of lashing out at the "violence" in Amerika -- and condemning Americans. "What drives certain individuals to commit such acts of violence?" Ah, yes, must be that special feature peculiar to Americans! Yeah, let's dump on Americans. And forget the Scotland, Dunblaine massacre of school children, the Japanese incident of stabbing elementary children, the Beslan massacre of 330 children, and concentrate on what *really* matters to the Dobbian's -- Amerike and violence!)

Posted by: J.S. at April 16, 2007 6:45 PM

@idn batutta

We are all on our knees praying hard that you muhammadan dogs are chased back to the Hell you came from. There you will rot for eternity with the FIEND muhammad (may apes and pigs shit on his grave)!

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at April 16, 2007 6:46 PM

Robert Spencer and his cult followers are on their knees praying hard for the shooter at the campus to be Muslim.idn batutta

For one thing I do not care if it's a Muslim or not, we hear more than 30 dead people daily all in one go in Iraq being bombed let alone the rest of the world by Muslim take overs and sepratist actions. Sorry but not everyone here cares about this case as Muslim related, but it was an issue of what could happen and this sounds almost like good timing.
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EUROPE can not defend against bomb attacks with guns they can not defend against planes highjacked, thats why guns are not allowed on the plane either. America has it's history with guns and it was born into that world and no one is sinless enough for a nation as whole to agree to hand them in and quit having them for the sake of the good like the Nuclear weapon agreements by the nations.

Posted by: jesusisthelamb at April 16, 2007 6:47 PM

We're followers of quite a number of authors now. The news on Islam is getting out.

If it is a Muslim, there'll be commentary, and not all of it will be, "Oh well, all sorts of people go nuts." It will be, "All sorts of people go nuts in the foptsteps of Mohammed."

More and more people know what Islam represents and portends for the American future.

Posted by: StillBreathing at April 16, 2007 6:49 PM

I don't agree with posting this incident until such time as the perpetrator's identification is known.

Emotions tend to run high here. This is understandable, given the unending series of outrages from individuals calling themselves Moslem and invoking Moslem scripture to justify their deeds. But does this community want to become the mirror image of scenes to be found throughout the Moslem world, in which crowds of fanatics go on the rampage merely with the rumor of an injustice?

Let's keep our heads. Let's get the facts.

Posted by: Chatillon at April 16, 2007 6:49 PM

If we prove to be wrong the left is going to use this as an example of overreacting. We don't have to sit back and wait for the law enforcement to tell us. The students will be doing it soon enough.

You know what? The Left is the Left and they are Masters of the Spin. They don't even remember why they are Leftist to begin with anymore.

The longer it takes to hear news re. the identity of the perp[s] it becomes obvious that this was a jihadist attack.

I knew before the second plane hit the second tower that it was AQ. I was called a racist and "rushing to judgement".

I always used to say in these situations.. I'd rather be a racist in your eyes than to be proven right. It gives me no joy that I am cursed with the ability to think straight.

Even if my fingers betray my spelling skills at times.

Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 16, 2007 6:50 PM

I'm guessing the shooter is a human being.

Posted by: idn batutta at April 16, 2007 6:52 PM

Savage was just saying that the shooter first killed two people and then returned to kill the rest. If I hear that right.. WHERE was the police.. Homeland [IN]Security.. the FBI.. ATF..?

The guvmint should be handing out guns to the citizens. At least we'll do the job for free!

Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 16, 2007 6:53 PM

"guns are not allowed on the plane either", Wrong again there jesusisthelamb, guns are allowed on planes. The pilots have them as well as Sky Marshals.

Posted by: QuadoLama at April 16, 2007 6:53 PM

alaskan1000,

"f we prove to be wrong the left is going to use this as an example of overreacting."

The truth is that the left is more interested in throwing talk radio show hosts off the air.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at April 16, 2007 7:00 PM

Jesus was a Shepherd and he gave up his life to save his flock as God commanded. Do yourself a favor and try to be a human, there was only one Jesus and you or I are not him. If you refuse to act as God in his image made you I highly doubt you will ever see the Pearly Gates. Read your bible and then try to comprehend it, believe in Jesus don’t try to be Jesus. Utter arrogance.

Posted by: tgusa at April 16, 2007 7:00 PM

I think the horrible effectiveness of this killer suggests that the event was not a case of someone insanely snapping, whether from Sudden Jihad Syndrome or from some non-Islamic form of insanity. Rather this person, it would seem, had more the effectiveness of a soldier methodically carrying out a carefully planned operation based on relatively non-emotional, stable, but evil motives. In other words, like the motives of one of the totalitarian agents of Islam.

True, it's possible that this killer just snapped emotionally, and yet in that highly unstable state, somehow had the psychological endurance to kill and keep killing till 32 people lay dead and many others were injured. But the nuts who go on sudden killing rampages often seem to shut down fairly quickly, and to lack the stability to continue on their insane course as long as this guy did.

Posted by: traeh at April 16, 2007 7:01 PM

No, idn, not a human being. MAYBE a carbon based life form, at the most.

Posted by: fedupinamerica at April 16, 2007 7:01 PM

ABC news article: "No identification was found on the gunman's body, police said. Eyewitnesses described him as an asian male about six feet tall. He apparently shot himself in the head after the killings; part of his face was missing when his body was found."

Posted by: StillBreathing at April 16, 2007 7:02 PM

He shot himself in the face and had no ID. That's why he hasn't been identified. Also, he was supposedly looking for his girlfriend.

Although it begs the question: if they know he was looking for his girlfriend, don't they know who his girlfriend is? Wouldn't he have mentioned her by name? And if they know who his GF is, wouldn't they know who he is?

I don't like the way this looks at all.

Posted by: Ibn_Iblis at April 16, 2007 7:11 PM

Those who have pointed out that the identity of the killer has still not been released have a strong point. That seems unusual.

This tragedy also reminds of the boarding a few months ago of a school bus by adult Muslim men for no clear reason, as well as the efforts of Muslims with possible ties to terror seeking jobs as school bus drivers. Maybe there was a shift i plans, to a less vigilently watched target in the U.S. educational system.

Posted by: traeh at April 16, 2007 7:12 PM

"I'm guessing the shooter is a human being."

But obviously lacking in humanity and any sense of human decency. Who does that remind you of?

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at April 16, 2007 7:13 PM

I'm not going to jump to any conclusions about whats going on. There are people out there with more info than I have that are investigating the incident right now (the police). It sounds like a domestic violence thing to me...or the shooter had an issue with the school and wanted to take his girlfriend out before he died too. I guess its possible that it could be a muslim on a private Jihad but there are a lot of things that could be possible that I'm sure are being looked into. The police need to do the investigation and release the result of it before I will decide. This stuff has happened before.

Posted by: Matt_the_American at April 16, 2007 7:15 PM

I'm not going to jump to any conclusions about whats going on. There are people out there with more info than I have that are investigating the incident right now (the police). It sounds like a domestic violence thing to me...or the shooter had an issue with the school and wanted to take his girlfriend out before he died too. I guess its possible that it could be a muslim on a private Jihad but there are a lot of things that could be possible that I'm sure are being looked into. The police need to do the investigation and release the result of it before I will decide. This stuff has happened before.

Posted by: Matt_the_American at April 16, 2007 7:15 PM

Foehammer,

You rightly point out that there are many ways to kill other than a gun but in the US today it has become the easiest way.
Bombmakers will be noticed and there is no guarantee their bombs will cause casualties.
Same with gas and other methods.
On the other hand, we love our guns and the NRA is there to support our right to buy a semi-automatic. If you're not eligible to buy a gun you can steal one or find someone to buy it for you or you can buy it on the black market.
Planes are out. It's harder to even get into the airport with a gun and security will limit the impact of a shooter. Commuters are wary of unguarded packages and they keep an eye on their fellow passengers. Malls and schools will be the new venue for American attacks.
There's no way to protect a campus that is not walled in with a security guard at the gate examining each and every vehicle. Calling out for better security on campus is a waste of time. Will we have metal detectors at every door? You'll need an hour between classes to move from building to building.

If this is what it appears to be there is just one answer: throw them out and don't let any more in.

Posted by: PMK at April 16, 2007 7:16 PM

I'm guessing the shooter is a human being.--Idn Batutta

I think anybody who could shoot 60 innocent people for no reason qualifies as sub-human, personally.

Posted by: staff_of_magius at April 16, 2007 7:16 PM

jesusisthelamb - I don't know about the rest of Europe, but in the U.K. there has been a huge growth in the number of "Hot" burglaries and home invasions since the severe restrictions placed on gun ownership. (a hot burglary takes places in an occupied home.) Criminals do not fear those who are unable to defend themselves. British law is also inclined to look askance upon householders who injure criminals by any means. If you can, check out a very interesting article that appeared in the "Financial Times" on June 22,2002, entitled "Trigger Unhappy - Armed Crime is Soaring in Britain" by Joyce Lee Malcolm. The author points out that when guns were easily available, England and Wales had an "astonishly low level or armed crime". Between 1890-92 there was an average of a single handgun murder a year in a population of 30,000,000. Now, with guns unavailable to honest citizens, violent crime has skyrocketed. Your religious beliefs may not make shooting back an option. I lack your sense of morality.
Regards,
MP

Posted by: MP at April 16, 2007 7:17 PM

I can almost hear the prayers x 5 of muslims in America....."Oh Allah, please please please don't let the shooter be a muslim"

Posted by: Buddy at April 16, 2007 7:22 PM

So the police say that:

The shooter cannot be identified due to facial damage.

The shooter killed his girlfriend and her new lover.

These two statements are contradictory. The police are hiding the dead perp's name.

Posted by: Kristopher at April 16, 2007 7:22 PM

I can almost hear the prayers of muslims in America....."Oh Allah, please don't let the shooter be a muslim"

Posted by: Buddy at April 16, 2007 7:23 PM

This incident is not a concidence. First it's Easter, then a storm, and now a massacre( notice how the media is calling a massacre for the time being until the shooter is revealed to a muslim then it's terrorism) it's a lot bunny stuff

Posted by: idn batutta at April 16, 2007 7:24 PM

Kristopher -
It is a contradiction, unless what the police are saying is that the killer cannot be positively identified yet, but they believe he is the boyfriend, and they don't want to release the boyfriend's name yet until a completely positive ID can be established.

Posted by: traeh at April 16, 2007 7:26 PM

I'm guessing the shooter is a human being.

Posted by: idn batutta

Once a person becomes islamicized they cease to be a human being.

Just like the Borg.

Or Zombies.

Or Body Snatchers.

Take your pick.

Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 16, 2007 7:26 PM

guns are not allowed on the plane either", Wrong again there jesusisthelamb, guns are allowed on planes. The pilots have them as well as Sky Marshals.

Posted by: QuadoLama

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Hi, yes obviously people in power like the police can use it, as they are the higher pecking order in society for protection so we don't need them, the problem is if everyone trys to be like that, ones wrong can be someones right in their own interpretation during a rage of that moment like the guy in story event.

Police in the UK have sometimes guns but mainly at air ports, but society in the UK has not reached that desprate need for them, only drug dealers use them against other drug dealers because in that life you feel everyone is the enemy. There is a different way of life in America as I understand but as you know the youth can not handle the responsibity of one, most gun crimes in the UK are based around youths, and I bet the same the world over, I think one less dangerous weapon is one step better for mankind.

If there are anymore views in what I have said please use my JW name as reference so I know it's about me, will be glad to reply.

Also note 'Jesus is the lamb' is a take on Jesus is is Islam (not) the irony is that Islam does not see Jesus as the lamb barer of mankind. That is the irony, I am no Jesus my self no one is but we look up to him.

Posted by: jesusisthelamb at April 16, 2007 7:27 PM

I still think they are footdragging for PC reasons.

Posted by: Kristopher at April 16, 2007 7:30 PM

Buddy,

"I can almost hear the prayers of muslims in America....."Oh Allah, please don't let the shooter be a muslim"

It would not suprise me because the Muslims are scarred bigtime that if this is another "sudden jihad syndrome", then the anger among Americans against Islam will be kicked up a notch bigtime.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at April 16, 2007 7:30 PM

"This incident is not a concidence. First it's Easter, then a storm, and now a massacre( notice how the media is calling a massacre for the time being until the shooter is revealed to a muslim then it's terrorism) it's a lot bunny stuff"

Posted by: idn batutta at April 16, 2007 07:24 PM

What is that supposed to mean, actually. It doesn't make sense. I suppose you've been "thinking" again?

Posted by: fedupinamerica at April 16, 2007 7:32 PM

"Robert Spencer and his cult followers are on their knees praying hard for the shooter at the campus to be Muslim."

Posted by: idn batutta at April 16, 2007 06:37 PM

"I'm guessing the shooter is a human being."

Posted by: idn batutta at April 16, 2007 06:52 PM

Well hakuna buttata, we can all see where you are coming from. Tell us Mr buttata-head, do you think it matters not-- that the Trolley Square Mall murderer was a lone muslim nut case kid acting on his own private role in jihad? (What else are the suicide bombers brainwashed from pre-school years on for in the real cult of death--aka islam?) The public doesn't need to know that right?

Posted by: BB at April 16, 2007 7:33 PM

idn batutta wrote:
"Robert Spencer and his cult followers are on their knees praying hard for the shooter at the campus to be Muslim."

That's absurd. The tragedy in and of itself is the real focus. If the shooter was a Muslim, then it further validates this site's existence. If no correlation is proven between the shooter and Islam, it still does not detract from what Robert is thankfully doing for us all.

I am not saying he was a Muslim, but there are peculiarities to this story so far, and we here in the US know that the MSM is pretty much full of shit in these regards. We will wait and see, like we should.

The only interesting by-line that will come with this story relative to the focus of this site is, if the shooter is discovered to be an Islamist, what is your reaction going to be Idn? Is it going to be anything more than another example of one misinterpreting true Islam, with your comrade 'An American' throwing in the qualifier that the fault lies in the fact that he didn't speak or read Arabic?

It may not come to fruition, but then again, it may...

Posted by: awake at April 16, 2007 7:35 PM

idn batutta said:

notice how the media is calling a massacre for the time being until the shooter is revealed to a muslim then it's terrorism

Actually, the media and law enforcement have repeatedly refused to call deadly incidents perpetrated by Muslims "terrorism," despite the Muslims in question sometimes explicitly asserting Quranic motives for what they did. There was the case, for example, of the Muslim college student last year who drove his car into a bunch of other college students -- I think it was at the University of North Carolina. The media refused to look at that as jihad terror, despite the Muslim student's explanation that his motives were Quranic and Islamic. And there have been quite a few other incidents that, despite clear evidence, the media and law enforcement have chosen to look at as merely loony, not jihad-loony or terror-loony (if I may use redundant expressions).

Posted by: traeh at April 16, 2007 7:36 PM

Interesting that the engineering school JUST HAD bomb threats (the first in years they said) only a week or so ago. It was in the local news.

Posted by: Han_Solo at April 16, 2007 7:36 PM

Sixty two! shot and hit! by man with only two pistols!?
yeah - just a disgruntled student (who apparently spent a lot of time at a firing range)

Posted by: TINBH at April 16, 2007 7:36 PM

Okay, I'll go out on a limb and say it was a muslim.

Michelle.. that limb is getting awfully crowded.

Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 16, 2007 7:37 PM

jesusisthelamb,

Here is my first post to you.

Sorry for you then. I carry a .32 in my sleeve and a .45 colts auto-loader in my big truck. I get into some places that are very dangerous and have had to use the Colts 1911 2 times, and both times to conk the prick on the head. My hide-away .32 I have used only once, and without using it I would not be here to tell the tale. I am from Arizona and it is not only legal to carry there, it is encouraged. And the same in Georgia, Missouri, Colorado and Utah. You say that I am a wimp for using a gun, but trust me, I am not. The point is 'dont go to a gun fight unarmed'. But perhaps you would like to join me on one of my trips to East St Louis, IL, or East L A, or Dallas or Cincinnati or Detroit to drop off a load late at night, you are more than welcome to come along, you can cover me.

In Arizona the legal age to carry a gun is 14. The legal age to carry a gun when it is concealed is 18. We do not have a rash of gun fights in Arizona, as you think. In fact we have a very low rate of gun violence there. And on the campus of Arizona State University (east) many of the students have a gun in their dorm or home, and we have never had an incident there on campus. Please dont believe the nonsense that some would tell you about guns, it is just not true.

Posted by: QuadoLama at April 16, 2007 7:39 PM

fedupinamerica said:

I suppose you've been "thinking" again?

Got me chuckling, that line. (No offense idn battuta.)

Posted by: traeh at April 16, 2007 7:40 PM

I'm guessing the shooter is a human being.

Posted by: idn batutta

In the "occupied territories" and in the rest of islaminazistan [you call it umma] world-wide this despicable coward is a hero.. a "shaheed".

Isn't that right Baty-bwai?

Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 16, 2007 7:41 PM

Also like to add, if growing gun crime is making people in their own homes feel feared and it starts becoming a massive problem and the government allows the law for ownership on a mass scale with gun shops being opened in every corner then be it. As a whole, society is doing well without them, if the problems spill to the point we have to defend against illegal arms then I agree. But as that problem gets solved I think little ones too will happen that won't get national attention, instead depressed fathers kill their families using a gun goes on a rise another problem to deal with.

Like I said these are just personal opinions and don't mind being wrong in your eyes or hearing peoples comments. But in a way I agree too and believe the UK and the world will wish they had some guns at home because some evil corrupt system will make you an enemy for just believing in freedoms and that’s when society will need to fight back. If a satanic world order or some threat to humanity happens we need a defence against it, if the Jews had guns in Europe in WW2 most would have escaped the genocide. But for now it's nice to live in a society that although has some gun problems I can trust my neighbour in case he becomes trigger-happy one day.

Posted by: jesusisthelamb at April 16, 2007 7:42 PM

Oh, a poster on politicallyincorrect.de had this link to offer regarding the shootings today.

http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/xp-25529

He suggests there might be a connection. At the very least it is something that the "authorities" ought to investigate.

When they're not busy with more important matters - like "sensitivity training".

Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 16, 2007 7:43 PM

I'm guessing the shooter is a human being.--Idn Batutta

The term human being is meaningless in Islamic terms - there are believers and non-believers and only the former have the right to be regarded as normal human beings. Non-believers are something slightly less rather in he same way as a non-Muslim is never an innocent person. Personally I think any speculation about the identity of the murderer is a little previous at the moment but Idi seems to be admitting, in his Muslim-speak way, that he thinks it was a co-religionist of his.

Posted by: wallyUK at April 16, 2007 7:47 PM

The story in the link above is two years old. It does not necessarily mean, however, that it is irrelevant.

Posted by: Hugh at April 16, 2007 7:50 PM

Robert Spencer and his cult followers are on their knees praying hard for the shooter at the campus to be Muslim.

Posted by: idn batutta

As another poster beat me to it already.. it is worth repeating:

We are PRAYING that either all you MoFoes pack up and LEAVE - or - that we be allowed to be of assistance should you have problems making up your mind which way to the sewers of meca.

Back to the bogs, y'all!

Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 16, 2007 7:52 PM

Heard on Michael Savage who presented a live feed from the chief-of-police and the latter had said that it was "domestic in nature".

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at April 16, 2007 7:52 PM

First, vague report of a possible ID from the Chicago Sun Times (via Drudge):

http://www.suntimes.com/news/343354,vatech041607.article

Authorities were investigating whether the gunman who killed 32 people on the Virginia Tech campus in the deadliest shooting rampage in U.S. history was a Chinese man who arrived in the United States last year on a student visa.

The 24-year-old man arrived in San Francisco on United Airlines on Aug. 7 on a visa issued in Shanghai, the source said. Investigators have not linked him to any terrorist groups, the source said.

Posted by: MarisolJW at April 16, 2007 7:55 PM

Heard on Michael Savage who presented a live feed from the chief-of-police and the latter had said that it was "domestic in nature".

Posted by: bigcatgirl1310

I heard this too. They might be calling it "domestic terrorism".

Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 16, 2007 7:55 PM

Calm down, y'all. This perp has not been named because he has not been identified. He had nothing on him to make a prelim ID. In the 7:40 pm news conference they admit they don't know who he is, er was.

They cannot positively state that it was the same gunman in the shootings in the two buildings. It will require empty cartridge analysis. At this point it will only show that the same firearms were used in both buildings.

They are looking for one of those "persons of interest" in the first shooting.

Posted by: Pelayo at April 16, 2007 7:57 PM

Now police are saying they have checked/ran the shooters fingerprints and they cant find a pmatch... illegal alien anyone?

Posted by: Han_Solo at April 16, 2007 7:58 PM

Indeed, everything is still speculative at the moment as to the identity of the perpetrator. But, one thing we can probably conclude -- it was not "a child" doing the shooting -- contrary to the CNN's Lou Dobbs' program...

Posted by: J.S. at April 16, 2007 8:05 PM

We can probably eliminate the disgruntled 10-year-olds who've spent too much time watching action-packed video games... contrary to the Dobbsian View.

Posted by: J.S. at April 16, 2007 8:07 PM

Okay, if it's Chinese, next question is whether he's Uygar or not. If yes, continue the probing; if no, let it go, or continue the probing on maoistwatch.com - assuming that exists.

I agree with Pelayo - no need to jump to conclusions. They would have done well to avoid saying Asian - which could mean anything from Japan to Yemen, or Indonesia to Mongolia (Damn, I just wish they'd end such meaningless continental references - after all, Egypt is recognized more as Middle East than Africa, Russia is recognized more as either Europe or its own continent rather than Eurasia, and the Islamic countries from Pakistan to Turkey have an identity very distinct from the rest of Asia.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at April 16, 2007 8:08 PM

fellow bloggers, do yourselves a favour and do not waste time on idn batutta (islamic propaganda) or jeezuz has a lamp (leftie)...
they're only here to incense the discussion with senseless rubbish and eventually trying to derail it...(we have heaps of these drongos on euro-blogs) I'm speaking from Europe, and oh boy, do I wish to have a gun (and many of my friends), just to help stopping short the enormous speed which is picking up concerning the islamisation of the old continent... however, it will be too late,-my wife is pushing me for us to emigrate - for the kids sakes...you cannot even imagine how deeply Europe is infiltrated by the islamic scum, and how well the system is controlled by the left who supports this move..
Take good care that satan is not getting into the White House...Foehammer is a very wise man, and so were your founding fathers...
Give the scum no chance, your government last sunday has decided to bring another 7ooo musel palestinians to the US (not even persecuted christians) - they are the worst, try to stop it..you got too many musels in the country already... greets, cA

Posted by: cosmicAvenger at April 16, 2007 8:12 PM

Are Muslims ‘afraid of the backlash?’- and did CAIR ‘condemn all acts of terrorism’ with the inevitable ‘but…’ already?

Did the police issue another statement that starts with ‘isolated incident’ that always ends with ‘mentally unstable man- no connection to terrorism..?’

Well, we could be wrong. We could blame Bushhitler. Anybody blame the Jooozzz yet?

http://sheikyermami.com/2007/04/16/31-dead-in-virginia-tech-shooting-shooter-was-asian/

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at April 16, 2007 8:12 PM

Pretty smart of the guy, blowing his face off so no one will be able to tell if he's a member of the religion of peace. Was there any kind of scraggly beard hanging off what was left of his chin? Or did he have a skin tone that might suggest that he wasn't born in Ireland or England? But honestly, how many irrate Buddhists have gone around shooting people in malls or college campuses lately?

We'll know soon enough who he was. In the meantime deductive reasoning and the disturbing pattern of events that has arisen since 9/11 and the fact that Muslims tell us it's their duty to make war on the infidels and convert us all to Islam, whether we like it or not, at least makes one suspicious, since we know the basic m.o. of this mindset.

Another soldier in the army (jihad) of one?

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at April 16, 2007 8:15 PM

idn batutta said:

notice how the media is calling a massacre for the time being until the shooter is revealed to a muslim then it's terrorism
Actually, the media and law enforcement have repeatedly refused to call deadly incidents perpetrated by Muslims "terrorism," despite the Muslims in question sometimes explicitly asserting Quranic motives for what they did.

Because if they do, they'll get sued by CAIR. For starters.

Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 16, 2007 8:18 PM

"Domestic in nature" my ass. This was premeditated murder done for some deeply rooted personal agenda, problem or ideology. When is the last time you've heard of a guy barricading himself into a building and murdering a bunch of innocent students?

That's right, when the "milkman" went postal on Amish schoolgirls:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/07/AR2006100700394.html

If someone tries to prove that this guy decided to kill 32 people to get back at a cheating ex-girlfriend, I'm going to cry foul very loudly.

Posted by: Foehammer at April 16, 2007 8:20 PM

from drudge
'LOVE-CRAZED KILLER: Jilted boyfriend went on rampage'...
Two 9mm handguns...

He was said to have quarreled in a dormitory with his girlfriend, whom he believed had been seeing another man. A student adviser was called to sort out the fight. But the killer produced a gun and shot dead both his girlfriend and the adviser....

If they know this why not tell his name?
Why are they working so hard to create an opinion prior to releasing the name ?
Wild ass guess. His Name is Abdul or Mohammad that's why.
And the Administration has to be able to say Their has been no terror attack on US Soil YAk YAk YAk.

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at April 16, 2007 8:25 PM

I have a daughter getting ready to enter university.
I don't know how I could endure losing her in a tragedy such as this. My heart aches for those parents who have lost their children today.

God help them somehow....comfort them in their grief...somehow.

Posted by: Cornelius at April 16, 2007 8:28 PM

fellow bloggers, do yourselves a favour and do not waste time on idn batutta (islamic propaganda) or jeezuz has a lamp (leftie)...
they're only here to incense the discussion with senseless rubbish and eventually trying to derail it.BY cosmicAvenger

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Maybe you missed something I said and I guess you are saying the same thing I did, did you not read my last post too busy typing?

I did say if things change in the UK or Europe then I agree guns are a good idea if that is what is required. At the moment in my community I don't feel we need to go that far how ever diverse it is. To need guns means you live in fear and be afraid of something, most of the UK does with out them including the police except air ports or parliament. If things change then I would like to defend my self but for now things are ok and it sounds like paranoia to have the need, once it reaches that level so be it, but being afraid of a Muslim take over is not something guns will be able to stop you need to make the laws to fight back as they do.

Because you pulled a trigger on Jesusisthelamb for
jeezuz has a lamp
I will say cosmicAvenger = comicAvangilist
But I think I am steeping low and it's not my style. I would not use phrases like this even against Naseem or Abdulla thank you.

Posted by: jesusisthelamb at April 16, 2007 8:33 PM

Posted by ZionistYoungster: Let's hope campus authorities are calculating their hypothetical response as well. I wouldn't bet on it, but no other bets are allowed. I hope so too.

No way the authorities, and specially not institutions of learning, schools, colleges or universities, can take preventitive measures against organised terrorist attacks. It simply cannot be done across the whole couintry without turning the country into a police state.

Posted by: DP111 at April 16, 2007 8:40 PM

Quadolama -- drop off a load of what? And why late at night? Sounds like you have a pretty dangerous job that keeps your wife and kids on their knees -- and your mother too.

Posted by: champ at April 16, 2007 8:47 PM

My recommendation is simple enough -- if you're a law abiding citizen on campus, consider carrying mace, a stun-gun or an ASP in your backpack, or a knife to "slice your apple at lunch". Civil disobedience just might save your life one day -- and possibly many others.

In some cases I'd even recommend carrying firearms, but those people already know who they are.

Posted by: Foehammer at April 16, 2007 8:47 PM