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Allegations of torture, in line with the al-Qaeda playbook. But he says the worst part was when they took his diary. "Top terror suspect denies association with Osama bin Laden," from AFP:
WASHINGTON: Top terror suspect Abu Zubaydah told a US military tribunal he was tortured while in CIA custody, and now suffers seizures that affect his ability to speak and write, according to a transcript released on Monday.
In a lengthy hearing before the tribunal at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba on March 27, Zubaydah denied associating with Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, despite having told interrogators that he had.
"Mr President and members of the tribunal, I would have liked to have spoken to you today on my own, but I have been having seizures lately, which have temporarily affected my ability to speak and write without difficulty," he said in a written statement that was read by a military officer assigned to represent him.
Besides the seizures, Zubaydah told the tribunal he had problems with his left thigh and foot, according to a transcript released on Monday.
Ironic:
"Uh, I don't like to admit I'm a sick person," he said. "I try to be a good Muslim person but the truth is almost half of my body is not good."
The Pentagon released a censored transcript of the proceeding, and references to what appeared to be details of his treatment at secret CIA detention facilities overseas were deleted.
But in a question-and-answer session, the tribunal's presiding officer noted that Zubaydah "mentioned months of torture" in his written statement.
Zubaydah, who was wounded in a March 28, 2003 raid that ended in his capture, said most of the information related to what he was accused of having done had been extracted from him when he was half dead, "plus what they do torture me (sic)."
He said he had falsely told interrogators he was a partner of Osama bin Laden and of Ahmed Ressam, an Algerian captured entering the United States in December 1999 planning to bomb Millennium 2000 celebrations in the United States.
"So they write but they want what's after, more information about more operations, so I can't (sic)," he said. "They keep torturing me."
Zubaydah said his greatest torment was the confiscation of a diary that he had kept, likening it to the loss of a child.
"For me, it is bigger than what CIA for me," he said. "What they do on my body I will forget it, plus now taking the paper, my paper."
Abu Zubaydah acknowledged facilitating the training of jihadists in Afghanistan to fight invaders of Muslim lands, but said his group only came under Osama bin Laden's control in 2000 under pressure from the Taliban.
"Our doctrine has always been to go after enemy targets, and by that I mean military targets, which include the military members or civilians who work for or directly support the military," Zubaydah said in a written statement.
"I disagreed with the Al-Qaeda philosophy of targeting innocent civilians like those in the World Trade Center," he said.
Zubaydah is a Saudi-born Palestinian whose real name is Zayn Al Abidin Muhammad Husayn. The main evidence presented against him came from Ressam, the captured bomber.
Ressam said Zubayhdah knew about the millennium operation, although not specifically the date or the exact target of the bombing, the government alleged.
The government also alleged that entries in Zybaydah's diary described plans to burn cities and farms in the United States, instigate race wars, attack gas stations and fuel trucks, and start timed fires.
Later in the article, Zubaydah claims he was only interested in "defensive jihad."
Ressam allegedly told US investigators that in 1998 Zubaydah asked the Algerian to obtain five Canadian passports for a team of five other individuals to enter the United States to bomb several cities.
Zubaydah admitted to sending Ressam for training at the Khalden and Deronta camps in Afghanistan, but disputed other charges and instead portrayed his group as at odds ideologically with Al-Qaeda and competing with them for recruits.
"The statement that I was an associate of Osama bin Laden is false. I only met him in the year 2000. I'm not his partner and I'm not a member of Al-Qaeda," Zubaydah said.
"Osama bin Laden wanted Al-Qaeda to have control of Khalden, but we refused since we had different ideas," he said.
Zubaydah said his group's aim was to train Muslims for "defensive jihad" in places like Bosnia and Chechnya that had been invaded by non Muslims.
"Our doctrine was not the same as what Osama bin Laden and Al-Qaeda were promoting, which was and is a doctrine of offensive jihad," he said.
Zubaydah said he distinguished fundamentalist Muslims from fanatics.
"I was always very selective about not working with the fanatical Muslims that wanted training, such as the Algerians of the Armed Jamaat Islamia," he said. "In fact, the Armed Jamaat Islamia threatened my life because I refused to work with them."
In 2000 the Taliban closed the two training camps after Osama bin Laden pressed to have all recruits come through his camps, he said.
Zubaydah said he visited Osama bin Laden to ask for help in keeping the camps open, but was rebuffed.
After the September 11, 2001 attacks on the United States, Zubaydah said some big jihadist groups were angry that they had been given no warning. But they decided to close ranks with Al-Qaeda in anticipation of a counter-attack, he said.
Posted by Marisol at April 17, 2007 12:18 AM
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Translation:
Abu Zubaydah suffers from wounds he received trying to murder Americans and can not figure it out that is what is causing "his illness" and not the torture according to Teddy Kennedy that Muslims are deprived of imported Middle East food.
Abu Zubaydah is just a little terrorist like a woman is only a little pregnant.
Pit him Tribunal as a terrorist he was threatened by terrorists and rebuffed by bin Laden for wanting to run his own terrorist camp and not just be a patsy to the big turban himself.
Apparently Abu Zubaydah has been reading al Qaeda's favorite writers in Robert Fisk and Seymour Hersh with supplements by Newsweek toilet flushing Koran lies and the new favorite, Rosie "Terrorists are parents too" O'Donnell.
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at April 17, 2007 12:48 AM
"Zubaydah said his greatest torment was the confiscation of a diary that he had kept, likening it to the loss of a child."
Oh the horror!
Posted by: alexon at April 17, 2007 1:07 AM
"The government also alleged that entries in Zybaydah's diary described plans to burn cities and farms in the United States, instigate race wars, attack gas stations and fuel trucks, and start timed fires."
-- from the article above
When the trial is over, and verdict reached, one hopes those diary entries will be widely published for their pedagogic value.
Posted by: Hugh at April 17, 2007 1:07 AM
According to this boyo-loss of his Diary causes him more distress than alleged 'Torture.' Astonishing I think : ask those who have been TORTURED. Of course being a Muslim,it must have
been 'Torture'not having Halal meals delivered by Hijabbed Muslimahs, toilet paper instead of stones to wipe his ass & not being sure which direction to prostrate himself to his Demon Allah. Add to this no Beheading Videos to entertain him...
Would very much like to see transcript of the Diary-hope it will be read in Court & get this dude in jail for a very long time.Shooting would
be cheaper but Western Dhimmi lawyers keep
screeching about his 'Human Rights.
at April 17, 2007 2:15 AM
his "torture", translated:
He got his @$$ kicked by guards weary of him flinging his fecal matter at them...without warming, and no viable reason.
He got deprived of his ability to rape, rob, murder.
He got deprived of open and live TV coverage.
(source: a close friend & former interrogator at Gitmo and career CIA)
Oh, yeah...forgot the most important points...and in order of priority:
Taqqiyah
Taqqiyah
Taqqiyah
at April 17, 2007 3:13 AM
Sounds like they stole his novel or screenplay.
Posted by: KAOSKTRL at April 17, 2007 4:56 AM
"I disagreed with the Al-Qaeda philosophy of targeting innocent civilians like those in the World Trade Center," he said.
I would like to see his reasoning for suggesting anyone other than a muslim is innocent?
Posted by: KAOSKTRL at April 17, 2007 4:58 AM
""Uh, I don't like to admit I'm a sick person,"
...then quit reading the Qur'an.....
Posted by: exsgtbrown at April 17, 2007 6:06 AM
What is the difference between a true islamic believer and a liar ?
Perhaps one should post an award for an answer.
Maybe the ultimate in a defence is that "he is an islamic follower and thus has been given a license to lie."
Turn him over, he's done.
Posted by: dgene at April 17, 2007 6:23 AM
Habib rubs it: ‘Australians detained me’-
* Mamduh Habib, ex-jihad freak who was picked up in Pakistan after 9/11,- claimed he ‘was looking for a good Muslim school for his kids’- and is now trying to (screw) sue the Australian government for some compensation:
http://sheikyermami.com/2007/04/17/habib-rubs-it-australians-detained-me/
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at April 17, 2007 6:44 AM
"The government also alleged that entries in Zybaydah's diary described plans to burn cities and farms in the United States, instigate race wars, attack gas stations and fuel trucks, and start timed fires"
...we have seen raging woodland fires in California, Nevada, and Arizona.
...we have seen a few reports of terrorists planning to hijack fuel trucks..probably to arm with explosives, then driven to a sensitive area...a major rail connection, a major highway intersection, an area crowded with shoppers, a school, a major bridge, a tunnel, or a sporting event.
...we have seen people like Louis Farrakhan, Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton step up the pace of blaming Whites for every arrest of a black man, every chase involving a fleeing felon as a race issue, every complaint of foul language on Music videos and CDs as a race issue...the race baiting is accelerating....those victories won by the likes of Martin King, Rosie Parks and others are slowly being reversed by Farrakhan, Jackson, Sharpton, and others who insist on continuing to be race baiters.You see the Black leaders joining hands with the likes of CAIR and other Islamic organizations and leaders.
....we have seen suspicious fires and explosions at oil refinery plants, abandoned buildings, and churches...
....we have discovered some Muslim connection with the illegal drug trade..The drugs hitting Americas streets is increasing....and young Americans are dying because of it...The drug pushers will sell to anyone, but particularily target the innercity black culture....which increases crimes committed by blacks, which causes more blacks to be imprisoned for murder,assault, robbery, rape, or arson, which in turn results in the black community blaming the whites for the number of blacks in prison...
The drug pushers seem to be pushing Meth on the young whites, (just watch a couple of episode of COPS or other such show..)look at the people they arrest for Meth, the drug users are brain dead morons of little use for a productive society....the drugs destroy their health, their brain, and their desire to participate as a productive member of society....many end up in prison...others are killed...few ever recover to become productive citizens...
...it is a cycle of events that is ever spinning faster.
....Islam is also creeping into our schools....one by one the professors are teaching ideas that are very different than our founding fathers ever envisioned for their country...They would be shattered by todays America....
....As the would keeps conceeding to every Islamic demand under the sun..it slips closer to becoming a 7th century Islamic world....
....It is sad we seem to have few leaders who know what to do...It is sadder yet, that those who do know what to do cannot garner the support of the people who refuse to fight...
...Islam does indeed have plans....but they do not include you....
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Posted by: exsgtbrown at April 17, 2007 7:25 AM
baydah said his greatest torment was the confiscation of a diary that he had kept, likening it to the loss of a child.
you should ask Pearle what his greatest torment was. oh right he was beheaded, cannot talk now. these SOB's should not ever see the daylight, and l dont care if they get dumped over shark infested waters.
Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at April 17, 2007 7:32 AM
"you should ask Pearle what his greatest torment was. oh right he was beheaded,.....
Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess"
....do not forget about Nicholas Berg, Jack Hensley or Eugent Armstrong, a few Catholic nuns, many Christians, several tourists, some Muslim teachers and students, a few Jews, many Muslim captives, many blacks in Darfur, Nigeria and some in Yemen, and the many others in other nations around the world......all in the name of Islam....
Posted by: exsgtbrown at April 17, 2007 8:29 AM
This transcript sure seems to confirm Zubaydah being an Enemy Combatant.
No doubt his Diary is a great loss to him. It's going to send him up the River.
Let us cry Rivers of Tears for his dismay at the US coming to wreck their play ground.
For some reason he seems to think we make some distinction between Fundamentalist and Fanatics. At a time where the Swallow of Moderate is getting more difficult to get down by the day.
Posted by: flowerknife_us at April 17, 2007 8:45 AM
"Top terror suspect Abu Zubaydah told a US military tribunal he was tortured while in CIA custody,"
...yeah, he was given clean clothes, a clean room, good food, and a bar of soap....
Posted by: exsgtbrown at April 17, 2007 8:51 AM
Anyone wanna do a shot of taqiya?
Posted by: americanmadestrat at April 17, 2007 9:41 AM
shoot him.
Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at April 17, 2007 12:19 PM
Zubaydah said
I try to be a good Muslim person but the truth is almost half of my body is not good.
Oh, you are a good Muslim person, that is why all of your body is not good, it is all evil. I second APoBH's motion.
Posted by: special_guest at April 17, 2007 1:23 PM
Abu Zubaydah, by Allah I believe you. I ask Allah to give you something better in return for what the unbelievers have taken away from you and judge them accordingly on the day when there will be no shade except Allah's, the day none shall speak except with the most gracious' permission.
Posted by: Abdullah at April 17, 2007 1:59 PM
"the day none shall speak except with the most gracious' permission.
Posted by: Abdullah "
.....SLAVES always get the masters permission before speaking....
at April 17, 2007 3:05 PM
exsgtbrown said
.....SLAVES always get the masters permission before speaking....
FWIW, Muslims openly refer to themselves as "Allah's slaves". "Islam" means "submission", or "surrender", not "peace" as taqiyyah masters claim.
Bukhari Volume 8, Book 80, Number 717: Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, 'Beware of suspicion, for it is the worst of false tales and don't look for the other's faults and don't spy and don't hate each other, and don't desert (cut your relations with) one another O Allah's slaves, be brothers!"
Posted by: special_guest at April 17, 2007 5:22 PM
Here is an entire page of Islamic explanation of Allah's slavemaster relationship with his slaves. A short quote:
Allah only wants mankind to worship Him alone and ascribe no partners with Him in worship, and truly be His slaves. He wants them to surrender to His willPosted by: special_guest
at April 17, 2007 5:31 PM
Jesus is a shepherd leading his sheep. Allah is a slaveowner demanding complete submission.
But all religions are the same, they all teach the same values.
Posted by: special_guest at April 17, 2007 5:34 PM
"instigate race wars,"?
Isn't that what Charlie Manson wanted to do? I guess his hippie death cult and Islam aren't that different.
Posted by: JadeDragoness at April 17, 2007 7:42 PM
"instigate race wars,"?
Isn't that what Charlie Manson wanted to do? I guess his hippie death cult and Islam aren't that different.
Posted by: JadeDragoness "
......Charlies plan was to anger the blacks by taking the white women away from black men...this would anger the black men and cause them to become violent against whites....then the racist whites would fight the non racist whites over the course of action to take regarding the marauding black men...Manson deduced that after the violent white on white struggle, the Black Muslims would come in to finish off the remaining whites....Manson concluded that the Black Muslims would not be able to run anything, so he (manson) would emerge to become the real leader....
....just wild visions by a career criminal with serious drug habits....
....Muslims have wild visions by criminals with many big guns and armies of demented minions....
....the only common thread is that both are demented killers of innocent people....
and Manson much like Ahmadinejad had visions of grandeur...
at April 18, 2007 8:36 AM
...by the way, Muslims would love to have Americans involved in a race war.....
Posted by: exsgtbrown at April 18, 2007 8:39 AM
....and the likes of Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and Louis Farrakhan are doing their best to start one....
Posted by: exsgtbrown at April 18, 2007 8:41 AM
...finally...for all his illusions of grandeur, Manson, had about three goofy white women follow him, failed to anger even one black man, ended up in prison where he remains justifiably so, today, the Black Muslims currently are not attacking anyone, no one cares about him , and America moves on.....with more sense than Mansion envisioned......
Posted by: exsgtbrown at April 18, 2007 8:47 AM
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