The Murder Cult strikes again....and again...and again...and again.

Murder is their business and business is good???

Posted by: SoteriA at April 18, 2007 10:14 AM

....yet another Muslim attack on a Non Muslim entity that has anything to do with other religions...

......Islam is on a Crusade to rid the world of Non Muslim religions....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at April 18, 2007 10:15 AM

The attackers may have been trying to derail turkey's application to join the EU. Still I don't see the need for publishing the fraudulant Injeel given to Isa when the lastest messenger confirmed his message in the lattest testament (The Holy Quran)

Ban The Bible, Don't behead future potential Muslims

Posted by: Abdullah at April 18, 2007 10:18 AM

Our Christian president Bush is making progress one Iraqi at a time. Today 135 innocent Iraqis died in car bombings. This is proof the surge is working.

Posted by: crusadertothecore at April 18, 2007 10:19 AM

"Muslims are commanded to fight unbelievers until they are either dead, converted to Islam, or in a permanent state of subjugation under Muslim domination. Allowing people of other faiths to live and worship independently of Islamic rule is not an option."

Posted by: exsgtbrown at April 18, 2007 10:23 AM

"Today 135 innocent Iraqis died in car bombings."

...once again, Muslims killing unarmed Muslims....Islam is a thrill kill machine...Islam want to come to your neighborhood...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at April 18, 2007 10:24 AM

During the Cold War, Bibles in Russian were printed on onion-skin paper, in a pocket format, and distributed to Soviet tourists abroad or smuggled into Russia otherwise. They were published in Belgium, or at least the operation I know about was centered on Belgium. And while the Soviet authorities during the 1930s sentenced stubborn and brave Believers, including Starovery, to labor camps, it is hard to imagine since the death of Stalin of any such punishment being meted out, much less the committing of murders on those who distributed (or published) Bibles. But in the Muslim lands, including Turkey (Bernard Lewis's Great Secular Muslim Hope) after more than 80 years of enforced, Ataturk-generated constraints on Islam, murder of those producing Bibles takes place, and the only surprise for some is not that such murders take place all ove the Muslim lands. Just look at what happens to Christian churches, and to Christians, in Indonesia, or in northern Nigeria, or in Pakistan, or in Egypt, or Lebanon, or Iraq now that the conditions are right, and to the handful of expatriate Christians in Saudi Arabia who are foolhardy or bold enough, behind closed doors, to read the Bible, or even sing a Christmas carol -- or two.

Posted by: Hugh at April 18, 2007 10:28 AM

If you refuse to turn off your brain they insist on cutting off your head.

(I guess the "there is no compulsion in religion" clause is now officially voided?)

EU, get ready.

No borders, no passports, no future.

Posted by: profitsbeard at April 18, 2007 10:31 AM

If the EU gives Turkey membership, they are dumber than I've given them credit for.

I can't imagine it even being a question open for debate. It should be a "not only NO, but HELL NO".

Europe has enough muslims without having open borders witha muslim country.

Posted by: walterc at April 18, 2007 10:39 AM

Turkey was once a great onclave of Christianity, but today there is hardly 1 pct Christains left there. Turkey is the country that brought us Saint Nicholas in the 3RD Century AD and the Christian World celebrates Saint Nicholas as Santa Claus in English. But sadly the remains of this revered saint had to be moved from his birth place of Myra, Turkey on the shore of the Mediteranean in the 10th Century because of invading Muslims. St.Nicholas remains have rested in Bari,Italy ever since. There are some 2,000 Christian Churches throughout Christiandom named after Saint Nicholas. And yet Turkey wants us to forget the Genocde directed at the Christian Armenians. Turkey now is at risk of slowly losing its secular government with the possibility of an Erdogan Presidency who believes in a government more strongly influenced by Islam.

And they are considering this country to join the EU.

Posted by: Mackie at April 18, 2007 10:50 AM

If Marx was correct when stating that "religion is the opiate of the masses," then we are equally correct in observing that Islam is the crack cocaine of the masses.

Posted by: desertdawg29palms at April 18, 2007 11:02 AM

One more comment: Are your readers aware that, during WW2, Turkey imposed a ruinous 95% tax on the property of ALL non-Muslims? This is ONE factor that encouraged most Turkish Jews to emmigrate to the newly formed state of Israel.

Posted by: desertdawg29palms at April 18, 2007 11:04 AM

I am sending this story to congress as well as various media outlets. We must wake people up! As for admitting Turkey to the EU, does it really matter? Might speed up decay of Europe (or the violence and change which may save it), but the end result will be the same.

Posted by: RecoveringHog at April 18, 2007 11:06 AM

So attacking Christians because they're Christians in a 99% Muslim but secular country is now an act of "nationalism." I guess I'll just take your word for it, Mr. MSM.

Posted by: Jesus Christ Supercop at April 18, 2007 11:17 AM

The battleground is NOT Iraq. For the Muslim Brotherhood the prize is EUROPE. Turkey which even buys arms from Israel (!) is vastly underrated as a military power and once the descularization of Turkey (whch is proceeding with stunning speed) is complete Phase II will go into effect - what is the next phase? Terror attacks of a level horrific enough to cripple the West. Watch Turkey and Pakistan slip from 'our' grasp.

Posted by: poetcomic1 at April 18, 2007 11:32 AM

Europe has enough muslims without having open borders witha muslim country.

Posted by: walterc

I hope the Ameicans will STOP pushing Europe to let this Trojan horse into the EU.

This is NO way to weaken an economic competitor.

Just look at the result of trying to weaken Russia in Afghanistan!

And Serbia?!

PLEASE no more meddling in our affairs!

Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 18, 2007 11:36 AM

On December 12, 1997, at a public meeting in southeastern Turkey, Mr. Erdogan read a passage by renowned Turkish poet Ziya Gokalp: “The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets, and the faithful our soldiers.” As the BBC reported, “his pro-Islamist sympathies earned him a conviction in 1998 for inciting religious hatred.”

And this is from the **BBC**

He also said that "democracy is but a train which we board until we have arrived at our goal"

One of the victims of this murder in Turkey is German.

This Erdogan is visiting Germany soon. He is making timetable demands to get Turkey into the EU.

?OTE people ?OTE!!! And let them know you don't want Turkey!!

Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 18, 2007 11:51 AM

And they are considering this country to join the EU.

Posted by: Mackie

And Bush keeps promising the Turks they'll get in. We're the carrot in some "global strategy" game.

Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 18, 2007 11:56 AM

Imagine there's a war and nobody shows up. Should read: Imagine there's a war and only one side shows up.

Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 18, 2007 12:06 PM

To me, the most telling thing is that the AP kept calling them nationalists, instead of Muslims or Islamists. I suppose it's to make us think Turkish nationalism is the reason and Islam has nothing to do with it.

It goes back to the problem the President and so many in politics and the media have telling us who the real enemy is. To keep calling this a war on terror, instead of what it really is, a war for the survival of non-Muslims against Muslim Imperialism, is stupity of the highest order.

Posted by: Proud Infidel at April 18, 2007 12:38 PM

"One more comment: Are your readers aware that, during WW2, Turkey imposed a ruinous 95% tax on the property of ALL non-Muslims? This is ONE factor that encouraged most Turkish Jews to emmigrate to the newly formed state of Israel.

Posted by: desertdawg29palms"

...I did not know Turks were dhimmicrats!....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at April 18, 2007 1:24 PM

And yet I still get the occasional Turk that drops by the Anvil and insists that there is no danger to Turkish government from Islamists and that Christians and Jews live in peace within the borders of Turkey.

Posted by: Foehammer at April 18, 2007 1:46 PM

@crusadertothecore: Keep up your trend of anti-Christian, anti-Jewish, anti-American hate rhetoric and I'm going to come down on you here like a 2-ton brick.

Fair warning.

Posted by: Foehammer at April 18, 2007 1:54 PM

There have been various articles on the web about how to engage a mohammedan in debate and/or how to reply to appologists' arguements about islam. Can someone help me find a link. Thank you. the poetess

Posted by: the poetess at April 18, 2007 1:58 PM

The ancesors of France, Austria, Germany fought and died to keep the islamic horde out of Europe, unfortunately, the present day residents of Europe have little backbone.

Turkey is an oppressive society. Christians are arrested for preaching christianity because it is UnTurkish. Their history of genocide against armenians as well as kurds is true.

This persecution of Christians is nothing new. Turkey should not be allowed to enter the EU. The future of Europe depends on it.

Posted by: callmeinfidel at April 18, 2007 2:50 PM

The Bible does say those who follow Jesus because like him people will be walking in his shoes and will be persecuted in his name because of truth. In a way it's an honour for these Christians, and guess what they never even blew them selves up. Poor Muslims being harassed by the police in the UK and all that air port business about discrimination and yet nothing is said or stated about how friendly their Religion is towards non-Muslims.

Hence the big black spot or shall I say dessert on the map of the Earth in the Middle East where on the outskirts the world has established Christian or other communist boarders that are non Islamic countries and not one nation in between fly’s the flag for a different system of rule within that chain of Islamic countries because it has driven out it's enemies who ever opposed it. I guess Iraq could be the change that knows yet. Each connecting boarder to a middle eastern country is a pattern of conquest and Europe during the Crusades managed to push back this system as India did too in between it's battles and separation from Pakistan over history.

Posted by: jesusisthelamb at April 18, 2007 3:09 PM

Islam's need to silence Christians with murder demonstrates a great deal to the world on who holds the truth. These Christians are martyrs and have followed faithfully Christ himself.

Posted by: Beauty is manifest at April 18, 2007 3:24 PM

Do not think that secularism is better for Christian minorities in Turkey.Ottoman Empire accepted Christians as dhimmis while secular nationalists wanted to expel them all.
It may seem strange but when there was still a sizeable Greek minority in Turkey that is before 1955 they voted always against the Kemalist party and prefered the more pro-Islamic party as less dangerous.
For Turkish nationalism Christianity is considered a national threat.

Posted by: athenian at April 18, 2007 3:36 PM

"crusadertothecore"'s style of comments in each thread is about the same as our suddenly missing friend, "idn batutta"'s. Hmmmm...

Posted by: staff_of_magius at April 18, 2007 4:29 PM

So Bush and Blair want Turkey in the EU.

Do these two idiots realise that allowing 70 million Muslims into Europe will sound the death knell of Europe. Not just 70 million but the entire ME will be allowed to come into the EU, as Turkey will grant quick citizenship to any Muslim in Turkey.

Never in history has a group of nations, with Britain and Sweden leading the pack, been so keen to committ suicide. No that is wrong - it is our idiot politicians who are - ones who are ignorant of history and of the huge sacrifice made by past generations to keep the Islamic invasion of Europe at bay. These idiots are now handing over our nations to Islam even though the populace is totally hostile to the idea.

What happens now, when it is clear that our representatives no longer represent us?

Posted by: DP111 at April 18, 2007 4:37 PM

I am not surprised by this: Islam has always been at pains to prevent its victims at all costs from ever encountering the Torah and Gospels 'in a language understanded of the people', because - despite all the Islamic brainwashing from birth - a surprising number of Muslims, if they encounter those texts, LEAVE Islam. Just like that, and despite the clear and present danger of death at the hands of their former co-religionists.

One way to honour the memory of these Turkish martyrs (and the martyr from Kashmir whose story is told in this same batch of news items) would be to make a suitable donation in their memory, either to the Barnabas Fund or to the Bible Society in Turkey or the Bible Society in India. Or, if that is something you don't feel comfortable doing, make an extra donation for the upkeep of Jihad Watch, or buy an extra copy of Fallaci, or some other suitable book, and donate it to your local library. The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam and the Crusades would be a good choice for a high school library.

Anyone reading here who is a priest or pastor or Elder within a church, might consider the following: toll the passing bell, and explain to your church's neighbours why you are doing it. Or hold a small memorial service once a month, suitably publicised, honouring the latest batch of non-Islamic victims of particularly nasty Islamic 'tolerance' murders; and invite your local politician. Rabbis of synagogues, and the heads of Buddhist monasteries and priests of Hindu or Sikh temples in Western countries, might consider taking similar action.

Or copy these news items - the bombing of the Bible Society in Palestine, the murder of these Turkish Christians, the murder of the Kashmiri Christian, or, for that matter, all those hideous news pieces about Muslim persecution of Hindus and Chinese in Malaysia and Muslim killings of Buddhist monks in Thailand - and send them to your local 'Interfaith' group, which normally comprises reform Jews, naive liberal Christians, and smiling taqiyya Muslims. Keep sending, with little 'please explain' notes attached.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at April 18, 2007 4:41 PM

"Are your readers aware that, during WW2, Turkey imposed a ruinous 95% tax on the property of ALL non-Muslims?"
-- from a posting above

That World War II-era tax on non-Muslims, the Varlik Vergesi, a kind of Jizayh, has been mentioned in several articles and postings here.

One of them is an article put up last year. The Varlik Vergesi tax is mentioned in the second paragraph:

"The E. U. will not, and should not, permit Turkey’s admission. Too many, during the Cold War, were willing to believe that Turkey was permanently on the road to ever more secularism, ever more Kemalism. Too many thought that the Cult of Ataturk -- and not everyone recognized that it was merely a replacement for the only conceivable alternative, the Cult of Muhammad -- was itself permanent.

It was not to be. The beneficiaries of Kemalism may now be about one-quarter of the population. But they were never sufficiently grateful to him to continue his practice of pushing Islam to the side of Turkish life. They never realized, for example, that instead of forever pretending that the Armenian genocide did not take place, they should have worked to have the question forthrightly studied, and once studied recognized -- but recognized not as some fault inherent in "the Turks" but rather, as the result of Islamic teachings. Those teachings also explain the massacres of the Greeks in Smyrna, the anti-Greek violence in Istanbul in 1955 (in which 4,000 Infidel-owned businesses were destroyed), and the World-War-II era legislation, the Varlik Vergesi, that was in effect a kind of Jizyah imposed on non-Muslims (and on this, see the conclusions of a study by Faik Okte, who had been put in charge of collecting the tax).

The Turks, both Ottomans and Kemalists, have seen to an ever-diminishing population of non-Muslims in their midst. They have accomplished this through genocide, as with the Armenians; and through massacres, riots, forced conversions and exiles, as with the less numerous Greeks. Those Greeks now, in a population of 70 million, amount to just a few thousand. Now non-Muslims live in Turkey in a dangerously threatening environment, as is the case with the Jews there -- whose supposed benign treatment in the Ottoman Empire has been a staple of Turkish self-preening and self-justification, and has proven in the past to be useful with quite a number of people influential in Washington. One staple of Turkish self-aggrandizement has been the invocation of the refuge found, and given, within the Ottoman Empire to Jews expelled from Spain: "look at how we gave them refuge in Salonika when they were hounded out by Christians in Spain" is a statement one hears endlessly.
But what one waits for, and does not hear, is mention of several other relevant facts. First, Jews may have been forced to leave Spain, but they were welcome elsewhere in Christian Europe, in Amsterdam, also part of Western Christendom. There their presence, and influence in Dutch society at its very best, can be observed visually in the paintings of Rembrandt (not that paintings should be studied as sociological artifacts), and in the fact of Spinoza -- and in the beginnings, in Holland, of the Enlightenment. Second, the Ottomans who settled Jews in Salonika were replacing one Jewish community -- which had been forcibly removed prior to this -- with another. Third, the Ottoman Muslims never regarded the Jews as a threat. They were too small, and too weak, and their talents as traders, interpreters, dragomans, or as court physicians were too much needed: a plaque alluding to the tradition of Jewish physicians for successive padishahin can be found in the Topkapi complex itself. And though Jews were allowed to live as Jews in the Ottoman lands, it was as Jews, or as non-Muslims, that they also suffered from the usual disabilities that dhimmis could expect. In the European territories of the Ottomans, this in places included being subject to the devshirme. For more on the unvarnished history of the treatment of Jews, see Joseph Hacker's essay (the best one) in the Braude and Lewis collection.

During the Cold War American governments saw Turkey as a provider of stalwart troops. And so they were. They were stalwart because they were fighting their historic enemy, Russia, in its embodiment of that time, the Soviet Union. Some, besotted by the ideology of progressivism, saw Turkey as permanently on the path to Westernization, the logical end result of the systematic constraints placed on Islam as a political and social force. John Foster Dulles was pleased to consider Islam as "a bulwark against Communism." Turks fought bravely and stolidly in Korea (they also left behind what has now become tens of thousands of Korean converts to Islam).

The Cold War is over. Those once-valuable listening posts, those bases, are not quite so necessary. And in any case, they are not quite so useful -- we were not allowed to use such a base for that famous fourth division that never arrived in Anbar Province from the north, because Turkey "surprised" the Pentagon by not permitting it. Not the last of the surprises. In the past Richard Perle and Douglas Feith have both been registered agents for Turkey. The Turkey they saw consisted largely of those wine-and-dining Turkish generals in Ankara. This was in the pre-Erdogan days. But now Kemalism has been shown to be transient, subject to constant wearing-down, and Islam turns out to be permanent.

Wherever a country has been Muslim, there will always be far more adherents of the primitive consolations of a Total Regulation of Life and Complete Explanation of the Universe that Islam can at least theoretically provide, and always far fewer prepared to jettison it completely, so that at least in one's own family-line there is much less danger of it reoccurring, a symptom of mental disarray, in one's children or grandchildren. Unless one takes steps to distance oneself permanently from it, it remains -- an emotional and quasi-intellectual temptation. Imagine the horror of educated Iranian exiles living in, say, Los Angeles, upon discovering that their shy and awkward son has turned forcefully to Islam, the very thing which they fled, but still insisted, out of some kind of misplaced piety, to identify with -- they still called themselves "Muslims" because they felt they had to call themselves something and, besides, they kept dreaming that Khomeini was an aberration, and that the benign Islam of their imaginings would some day come into being. In much the same way, those Turkish beneficiaries of secularism were insufficiently energetic and vigilant, while the party of Islam never let up, and is recovering ground, cunningly and surely.

The West cannot ignore all the telltale signs. It cannot ignore the power of Erdogan, or the attacks on this or that secular university rector. It cannot ignore the fact that the Turkish movie doing boffo box office depicts American soldiers in Iraq (the same ones who got rid of the Saddam Hussein regime, and then stayed only to rebuild schools and hospitals, and hand out candy and soccer balls, and to get a rudimentary democracy going, and -- absurdly -- to prevent civil war) as "worse than Nazis." It also shows a "Jewish doctor" who traffics in organs taken from prisoners put to death, according to the movie, in Abu Ghraib. And if that same Turkey has at the top of the best-seller lists Mein Kampf, and if it furthermore has all kinds of politicians making the most absurd anti-American, anti-Israel, and now, added to them, anti-European remarks, then one would be a fool to ignore all this.

Well, perhaps it is fitting after all. By what Joyce with his Anna Livia Plurabelle would call a commodius vicus, the attempt by Turks to undo the rights of the Enlightenment takes us back to the Amsterdam of Rembrandt and Spinoza. Spinoza, the man who helped give Enlightenment ideas their earliest formulation -- an Enlightenment which led, inexorably some might think, to the rights of the individuals, including the right of free speech. That right is only to be limited in this country when it is used to incite imminent and lawless violence. In Europe, for quite obvious and justifiable reasons, it is also off limits in a few places (e.g., Germany and Austria) to deny that the mass murder of Jews (the "Holocaust") took place. This is a reasonable limitation, and does not alter the central importance of freedom of speech to Western societies.

Yet now Abdullah Gul, representing and expressing a primitive and permanently menacing view of the universe -- menacing to free and skeptical inquiry -- dares, when one might think Turkey would we walking on eggs, to demand a change in the rights protected by European countries, and by the European Community.

The request is absurd. Even daring to make the request is disgusting, and telling."

[Posted by Hugh at March 14, 2006]

Posted by: Hugh at April 18, 2007 5:09 PM

Islam = Murder

This is the only Ideology/generously called a Religion , that Revels in death and destruction so. look at the Muslim world and you WILL only find pain and suffering and hate. The Islamic world is centuries behind the west and proves it everyday.

Posted by: MoBlows at April 18, 2007 5:22 PM

terfaith' group, which normally comprises reform Jews, naive liberal Christians, and smiling taqiyya Muslims. Keep sending, with little 'please explain' notes attached.
Posted by: dumbledoresarmy

the liberal elites just blurb out a "tiny minority hijacked islam". but ordinary people who have to live near or work near muslims instincly know they bow down to the devilish cult and need to be taken out.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at April 18, 2007 5:44 PM

The Armenian Genocide never ended.

In Taner Akcam's "A Shameful Act" one learns that Muslim (Turkish) brutality towards Christians began centuries ago.
The German allies of the Ottomans watched and advised the slaughter of Armenians, Assyrians and Greeks with interest. From this I have come to believe that there is no such thing as Christian solidarity.

My advice to non-Muslims in Turkey: save yourselves, get out now, you will never be veiwed as anything but non-believers.
You do not want to be a non-believer in any Muslim country especially Turkey.

As for EU membership, that ship is sinking fast. Too bad in a way, because I'd like to see Germany inundated with Turks.

Posted by: Charlie at April 18, 2007 8:03 PM

Charlie, today's Turkish Christians are not so much Armenians, Greeks, and Syriacs, but descendants of the Ghazis who imposed Islam. This is one of the things that makes Turkey's "re-appearing" Christians so disturbing to the Islamicists. These Christians in Turkey (and Kashmir) are simply proof that once a fair comparison between Islam and something else is allowed (as in the diaspora in the West), Islam loses.

And I don't think these new Turkish Christians are quitters. They've got in them all the stubborness of the warriors who marched out of Central Asia, faced the Russians, and now have added to it the determined stubborness of Christ, who set his face like flint to go to Jerusalem to give his lie as a ransom for many.
It is my prayer the God opens more and more Turkish eyes to the grace and truth that is in Jesus Christ.

To the Turkish and Kashmiri brothers, welcome to the Forever Family, and we draw strength from your martyrs.

Posted by: Kepha at April 19, 2007 7:26 AM

....when was the last time you recall seeing a news headline..."3 killed in an attack at publishing company that prints Qur'ans"... or something similiar?..

Posted by: exsgtbrown at April 19, 2007 9:01 AM

charlie posted

In Taner Akcam's "A Shameful Act" one learns that Muslim (Turkish) brutality towards Christians began centuries ago.
The German allies of the Ottomans watched and advised the slaughter of Armenians, Assyrians and Greeks with interest. From this I have come to believe that there is no such thing as Christian solidarity

i totally agree there is no such thing as christian solidarity when greeks and armenians and assyrians where being massacred by turks the germans supported it and the french and italians let it happen to and did nothing i dont care what happens now

Posted by: Greek Gurl at April 20, 2007 7:26 PM