It's getting to the point where, whether or not these are actual practice runs for terrorist attacks, passengers are going to have to take matters into their own hands and beat these idiots into comas. If they are terrorists, they deserve to be killed. If they're just fooling around, it's about as funny as shouting "Fire" in a crowded theater and a beating is the minimum they deserve.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at April 19, 2007 11:23 AM

It looks like the policy of "catch and release" is not limited to illegal immigrants. Very troubling . . .

Posted by: JSobieski at April 19, 2007 11:46 AM

ISLAMSFORLOSERS,

It's getting to the point where, whether or not these are actual practice runs for terrorist attacks, passengers are going to have to take matters into their own hands [...]

The whole world is getting to the point where an individual either takes matter to his hands or is dead. Higher authorities (states, international bodies) can be less depended upon to do the right thing with each passing day.

Posted by: ZionistYoungster at April 19, 2007 12:00 PM

ISLAMFORLOSERS,

Oh God, I hope passengers don't feel THAT insecure that they will get riled up by the mob mentality. Because anyone who looks Muslim, be it a Sikh (they've suffered the most after 9/11) or Jewish rabbi or anyone with a beard, could be victims. That's why this lawsuit filed by the flying Imams with the help of CAIR (I fart in their general direction) is dangerous. It will cause anarchy.

Posted by: wrathofasma at April 19, 2007 12:05 PM

This is the second article I read this morning that has made me not only sick but p*ssed.

It really makes you wonder.....does our government want another 9/11?

Posted by: gaelen at April 19, 2007 12:07 PM

If the government allows these lawsuits against the "John Does" to continue in the name of the dieties of political correctness. The government may find it has more problems then just terrorist. The general populace it's self will doubt in the unspoken social contract that the government is to protect them from enemies foreign and domestic. That would mean the contract (Constitution) has been broken asunder. The result could be "Ungood".

Posted by: senor doeboy at April 19, 2007 12:08 PM

I can't believe that more people on the flight didn't notice it and react.

Posted by: IAmFree at April 19, 2007 12:08 PM

Did you read the comments? The first one talks about the infiltration of the FBI.
I wrote a letter to the editor of my local paper discussing the prayer before the opening of the Senate in the state of Texas, guess what...they didn't print it. They will not print anything critical of islam. Sleep, sleep, sleep....

Posted by: interestinconundrum at April 19, 2007 12:22 PM

It looks like the policy of "catch and release" is not limited to illegal immigrants. Very troubling . . .
Posted by: JSobieski

I was listening to John Gibson's radio show the other day and he said we now have anarchy in the US. The rule of law means one thing for one race and nothing to others. Example? One illegal has been cited for DUI 3 or 4 times with no threat of deportation, he is still driving without a license, he never bothers with a drivers license, you see, he doesn't bother with our laws.(He recently killed 2 young girls while DUI) Don't you try that though, you will be under the jail.
The adherents of islam enjoy a protected status too.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at April 19, 2007 12:32 PM

wrathofasma-

I see your point. Since most people who fly are only interested in getting from point A to point B there's no reason for violence. On the other hand, when people act like the "gentlemen" in this article did, we obviously can't expect the government to do much, so if people become alarmed
and were to administer a little "correction" it might prevent worse things from happening. It might also send a little message to the government: "Do something"!

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at April 19, 2007 12:39 PM

Re CAIR horse's ass

Excellent "Joe Friday" style article by Annie Jacobsen. Re the flying phonies: My hunch is that that flight had several well-armed Air-Marshals aboard and that every word, every concern expressed by the passengers is well documented in film and audio.

Posted by: Frank at April 19, 2007 12:43 PM

The problems is this is comparing Muslim Brotherhood types like Keith Ellison and CAIR to "burners" who get their kicks out of being Muslim and drawing attention to themselves scaring "bad old white Americans" and the real problem of terrorists operatives gauging operational response.

The Flying Imams were part of a cooridinated terroristic effort to use the court and Congress to attack American rights to self protection. This is a Muslim Brotherhood political operation. It is a legal agenda where no one gets physically hurt.

There are burners though who like to burn the system in a game they play of acting odd to get attention, but not odd enough to get attention. They get great thrills in vengeance doing this and tying up people's lives.
Consider them like an online hacker or virus spreader for Windows. It gives them power screwing up people's lives.

The third are the terrorists or their out sphere operatives gathering information. The problem with these people is they are not calling attention to themselves. They get school plans and the next thing we know is US soldiers find them in Iraq as part of staging operations against American schools.
These people are in nuclear fields, biological fields, intelligence fields and political fields.

They are all terrorists, but some are legal terrorism, some are burn terrorism in screwing up your day and some are literal terrorism gauging effects for WMD dispersion.

Posted by: Lame Cherry at April 19, 2007 12:54 PM

this only proves that you cannot depend on the government to save you. it will be the regular john does to come and save the country.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at April 19, 2007 1:17 PM

Zena, I'm afraid that you are correct. The "authorities" will whow up just in time to write a report.

Posted by: MP at April 19, 2007 1:37 PM

show up

Posted by: MP at April 19, 2007 1:50 PM

"The reason the review is being withheld from the public eye is because its contents embarrasses the Transportation Security Administration (TSA)."

If this was the real reason for classfying this incident-- Frankly who gives a "blank" if it embarrasses the TSA. The defense attornies; if the John Doe case comes to trial should be able to use this case as evidence without question. --Push for the use of the Freedom of information act on this incident. They can sue me if they want, but if Iever see anything suspicious on trains,planes,ships, or just plain anywhere; I will report it.

Posted by: Mackie at April 19, 2007 1:52 PM

"The whole world is getting to the point where an individual either takes matter to his hands or is dead."

Yes, it's clearer now, that we're on on own.

For the sake of staying in power, The Powers-That-Be have linked hands with the islamics.

There really isn't anything in that religion that can be salvaged.

Away with the distraction of cell phones and shopping malls!

Posted by: allat at April 19, 2007 1:52 PM

So why did the FLYING IMANS hire a Muslim Attorney? Why didn't they just hire Smith and Jones in Minneapolis?

Posted by: Mackie at April 19, 2007 1:55 PM

"It will cause anarchy."

That's what ALL goverments are afraid of. That the "great unwashased" will starting thinking for themselves.

Now, people, that a good look at the real meaning of "Anarchy" :

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/anarchy

And read Patricia Neill:

What Is That Word Our Rulers Hate
http://www.billstclair.com/lodge/N_Anarchism.shtml

Patty, count me in.

Posted by: allat at April 19, 2007 2:04 PM

I was very upset by the Cho massacre because I thought for sure in a post 9/11 hijacking world that everyone would think the way I do, and that is you just rush the perpetrator and hope that everyone else will help take him down. Because these days you have to expect that hostage takers will kill you and not use you as a bargaining chip anyhow. So, I was saddened to see that Cho got away with so much murder and was not stopped sooner. And for the record, I am most certainly not blaming those who died at his hands as being weak.

While the complete story has not been told yet, I do know about the Engineering professor who shielded his students with his body. I guess what I'm rhetorically ruminating about is those of us who want to survive have to stop giving the benefit of the doubt to perpetrators of violence and at all times be vigilant and do we can together to take them down before they can hatch their mad schemes in these kinds of scenarios.

Think back to how people grabbed Richard Reid after 9/11.

Posted by: GreatShaitan at April 19, 2007 2:14 PM

GreatShaitan said

While the complete story has not been told yet, I do know about the Engineering professor who shielded his students with his body.

I heard an interview with one of the students in the room where Cho killed many. She said she lay quietly on the floor, imagining what the bullet would feel like when it hit her. Cho finished firing, then spent time reloading the clip, then started firing again. It's not a criticism of her to say that we need to have a different mindset. It's not just "heroics" what the people on Flight 93 did. It's not just "heroics" what the Auschwitz survivor/professor did. It wouldn't have been just "heroics" for someone to jump on Cho when his gun was empty. It's also logical, and coldly rational. When the enemy is purposely striking unarmed civilians going about their daily business, we cannot rely on "the authorities" to protect us, especially when "the authorities" are too busy telling us there is no danger. That's not a call for vigiliantism, just a reminder that we have to protect ourselves.

Posted by: special_guest at April 19, 2007 2:25 PM

I train 3 days a week 5 hours a day at self defence been doing it for about 10 years now. It is every Americans duty to be able to defend themselves weapon or not in this day and age. Everytime I fly I hope one of these bastards trys something, because I'll break thier frakin neck before they know what hit them ... and this is no boast. Everytime I fly I consider myself an unarmed civilian marshal. Everyone is scrutinized evaluated catalogued and watched.

Posted by: Ameriki at April 19, 2007 2:27 PM

Snopes.com writes that this concern displayed by Anne Jacobsen is for the most part FALSE. This was based on US Air Marshalls that were actually on the flight with the Anne Jacobsen Family'

READ THE SNOPES.COM story on this here:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/skyterror.asp

Posted by: Mackie at April 19, 2007 2:27 PM

Contrary to all reason and common sense, the western democracies have allowed Islam to enter and be practiced in their territories. As mentioned many times by myself and others on this website, Islam teaches first degree murder of the 'unbelievers' on a virtually unlimited unlimited scale. This teaching is non-negotiable in Islam by the way. In thesame way that the outlawing of murder is non-negotiable in civilized nations.

Millions in the western democracies still can't believe that their governments permitted such a betrayal of human life in admitting Islam to their societies. Others still can't get over the sheer ignorance and stupidity of their elected officials in allowing this.

Whatever the case. When millions who believe in committing first degree murder of 'unbelievers' in the name of their deity in a society where these 'unbelievers' are the majority, it stands to reason that incidents like the one reported by Annie Jacobsen are going to happen. A lot.

The only positive aspect of this article is that it may help us to get Islam outlawed in our nation as it all too obviously should never have been permitted to come here in the first place.

Posted by: pythagoras at April 19, 2007 2:33 PM

Well maybe then its high time for national mandator military service. Some kind of awareness training that young folks could get from a stint in the military would go a long way to helping people better react in these situations we will all be facing more and more.

By the way, I had the pleasure of reading ZionistYoungsers article linked above and it says much the same, making my comments 'ex post facto.'
=)

Posted by: GreatShaitan at April 19, 2007 2:34 PM

Let me enlighten everyone to the biggest security flaw in airport security - it is run by the government and I do believe they brought in the Unions now.

yep - I still haven't flown since TWA flight 800 blew up over the ocean and it has so much 'hush-hush' around and about it. And then when that happened, I dug around a little bit and found out that Gore, the bore, shelved the findings of how lacking air security was in 1994 and the air industry was so thankful - they gave to the DNC.

So much for Sandy Berger to fill in his pants during the Clinton years, but I still don't know why everyone doesn't bring this fact to light. Also the Murrah building, the rush to execute McVeigh, and the facts of the whole thing - sort of - lost by the FBI (Janet Reno's FBI). But, I digress (a lot of newer stuff about this on the internet - it seems to be taking on a life of its own these days) - air security is a joke. And for anyone to take up the case in those imams' defense just shows me that the left in our society is on the side of the muslim jihadists. We should be reading that CAIR is being sued because of their harassment of our citizens because our citizens were behaving bravely and not allowing muslim jihadists to scope out all the security flaws.

Posted by: R_not at April 19, 2007 2:48 PM

Everyone should be prepared to protect themselves. The government is ill-prepared to do so, and demonstrates it every chance they get. And police are for solving crimes, not preventing them. Our system is set up to prevent a constant police/surveillance presence (or used to be), so we don't even know how to go about it.

Posted by: Greg McClellan at April 19, 2007 3:01 PM

Did someone say, "islam teaches high style murder?"

And their preferred weapon is a kitchen knife. So then gun bans, won't have any effect on stopping jihadists?

Posted by: allat at April 19, 2007 3:41 PM

Everytime I fly I consider myself an unarmed civilian marshal. Everyone is scrutinized evaluated catalogued and watched.

that is called survival, l do that where ever l go in public areas, the government can try to stop profiling, but that does not stop John Does from profiling.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at April 19, 2007 3:52 PM

Hooray for Canada.

It gave 10 million bucks to its Syrian muslim Arar (and accepted the resignation of the head of its national police force, the R.C.M.P.).

Surely this national stupidity will hasten the West's demise.

The citizenry need brains and guns, in that order.

Posted by: dgene at April 19, 2007 4:01 PM

The reason why the government will allow these lawsuits to go forward, is because the government is run by patriots who care about their country.

After all, any John Doe's can have access to any and all information they need for their defense as a matter of pre-trial discovery.

But the review can't be used in John Doe's defense because the government classified its findings.

That's why we have nothing whatsoever to fear, our government’s interests are purely the welfare of the average John and Jane Doe.

The reason the review is being withheld from the public eye is because its contents embarrasses the Transportation Security Administration (TSA).

Furthermore, members of the TSA have the best and the brightest patriotic Americans working day and night to ensure the safety and security of the flying public.

The report contains information that ties at least two of the Syrians from the dry run on Flight 327 to an earlier dry run on different airlines -- Frontier Airlines Flight 577.

So the bottom line is that we can relax and be absolutely sure that the Syrians on these flights and the Saudis that boarded the school bus were merely guest workers in our country taking low paid jobs that Americans don't want, and were probably confused about our customs.

That the TSA missed connecting these dots and instead allowed the Syrians to go free without answering some serious questions reveals a great flaw in the aviation security net.

Yes, we live in the land of the free and the home of the brave thanks to the watchful eye of our elected leaders and those that lead our security forces.

We should be grateful for our security and mail them all a postcard.
So relax, and enjoy the peaceful friendly skies in America.

Hodas politely declined to add further details of the Syrians' suspicious activity on Flight 577 citing "safety and security concerns."

Posted by: witness at April 19, 2007 4:24 PM

There's a good point to this...
Depending on government-sponsored "dial-a-prayer-hope-we-come", it would have been much cheaper, more efficient and effective to do it ourselves.

Instead of screening for potential weapons going on the planes, allow every single passenger the "right to carry" on board, and let the ground crews screen for potential combinations that could be used for explosives (dogs work better than human detection, too).

I'd trust an entire plane load of John Does with guns than I trust this massive makework mickey mouse politically correct BULLS**T we have in place now, which is grossly inefficient, slow, politically infested with PC, and couldn't find genitalia in a whorehouse if the chips are down, because they won't use common sense, and won't PROFILE (you'd think they'd take a clue from those that practice it 100% effectively: El Al)

But...no, we're going to have to do it thart hard way, because some racketeer doesn't want to lose out on the pig trough of the tax dole.
That's reason #1 through 10 why another 9/11 is inevitable...it's only a matter of time.

Time to wise up.

Posted by: jcom972 at April 19, 2007 4:37 PM

just a question.

but if the passengers had reacted with force to "demobilise" whose terrorists, would they have been credited with saving the plane or arrested for murder?

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at April 19, 2007 4:50 PM

Very good! I'll keep the above 2 posts in mind. What's the number for "Dial-a-prayer" ?

Posted by: allat at April 19, 2007 5:19 PM

"Think back to how people grabbed Richard Reid after 9/11."

The Flight 93 passengers probably would not have been charged with murder if they had miraculously managed to land that plane safely. However the Richard Reid response is one we should aspire to if found in a similar situation.

We don't have to kill the would-be attacker. Like the professor who gave his life to give his students a chance to reach safety, a few of us might give our fellow citizens a similar chance and, if we are lucky, come out alive.

We have all been taught to just keep calm, don't antagonize your attacker, let the situation play itself out and wait for the big boys (government) to arrive and fix things. That may no longer be possible. As the Europeans say (with derision), we are back in the wild west. We can't wait for the sheriff and we shouldn't be afraid to take action. But that's easier said than done.

Posted by: PMK at April 19, 2007 5:31 PM

John Doe Defence

I

Behaviors I witnessed were outside the norms one should expect to find in today's Air Travel Environment. Had these Gentleman behaved as the other Passengers, I would have not given them a second look. Unfortunately, I was attracted to their activities and what I saw gave me concerns. Of which I acted upon by informing (???????)

I feel neither Guilt no Shame for making my concerns known. I knew full well that just reporting them held the possibility of delaying my own flight home. Not to mention that Many other Passengers would surely be upset as well.

I did what I believe was in the best interest of all on board that Flight. I am perfectly comfortable with what I did and would do so again if circumstances required it.

It is a sad day when fulfilling a request by the President to watch and defend your Country gets you dragged into Court for doing your Duty.

Posted by: flowerknife_us at April 19, 2007 5:35 PM

allat:

The number for dial-a-prayer-hope-we-come is otherwise known as 9-1-1 in the US.

leon:
that depends on who does the investigating, the common sense folks who'd credit them with a job well done...or the politically correct who'd make sure they faced murder charges for being culturally insensitive. :-)

PMK:
nice idea...problem was, the passengers on 9/11 also adopted that "dont piss them off" play, and look where it got them. I get your point on the old way of facing hijackings-"Luck" isn't something you want to bet your life on. I trust my gun and my wits-when it doubt blast away. the myth of exploding planes has long been debunked on the TV show "mythbusters", and those that fly have enough common sense to know when to, and when not to, use it.

Either way, we can start off by purging the #1 problem in this country: political correctness.
It's killing us from within.

Posted by: jcom972 at April 19, 2007 6:21 PM

I think we made it quite safe for imams to fly piss pray and prelude.

Posted by: MZ at April 19, 2007 7:40 PM

This woman is a real hero in my book. While plenty of folks stand by and enable evil by doing nothing, or hide behind chains of command to distance themselves from accountability, there are a few who do the right thing, be they grunts or common folk.

Of course I am including Robert in this group of people who "blow the whistle" or simply point out the naked emperor.

I sincerely doubt that the president or any of his cronies would sit with this person in court or show any integrity by talking the talk, or walking the walk. It was obvious to me from the WMD bungling and the numerous bungles since then. It's far easy to give lip service.

Posted by: amana39 at April 19, 2007 8:05 PM

Mackie (02:27 PM), I'd rely on Robert and crew rather than Snopes for updates about jihad related material.

According to snopes

"The men she observed on her flight were exactly what authorities told her they were: a group of Syrian musicians"

and

"'We followed up with the casino," Adams said. A supervisor verified they were playing a concert. A second federal law enforcement source said the concert itself was monitored by an agent.

"We also went to the hotel, determined they had checked into the hotel," Adams said. Each of the men were checked through a series of databases and watch-lists with negative results, he said.

Now following JW/DW recall:

Jihad Watch: Syrian music star sings praise of suicide bombers

The Syrian singer of a band that was detained by the FBI's Terrorism Task Force for suspicious activity during a recent flight to Los Angeles has written about the "glorification" of suicide bombers to liberate Palestine.

I doubt Snopes bothered to read beyond 'official' statements. Also note that Snopes uses an unidentified source for statements like:

"The lady was overreacting," said the source.

It would be interesting to learn the identity of this 'source' to determine if predisposed to any bias.

Generally, Snopes provides a good deal of useful information, but JW/DW is my preferred source for reliable up-to-date information about this topic.

Posted by: justamomof4 at April 19, 2007 8:20 PM

This woman is great for doing what she did! The Imans now want list of all passengers. By law they only get the one's who are making the complaint. My dad travels alot. He has seen alot of strange activity. There is no time in his life to report it and he knows the consequence! As I have seen strange activity but what the hay can I do? I'm in the middle of the store at night and three muslims walked up and are checking out chemicals. I cannot find no one. There was only a ring bell. I even did the code a 100 times! Blomp, blomp, blompblomp, blomp, blomp blomp! I swear everyone hiding! There should be a internet that we can download or sent text of weird happenings! This strip search stuff don't get it!

Posted by: MZ at April 19, 2007 9:39 PM

Mackie,

Yeah, it may well be the case that Ms. Jacobsen exaggerated things. But I bet in August 2001 the feds said the same thing about a certain Mr. James Woods. Well...

Personally, I don't know why these terrorists would be stupid enough to use planes again. Don't you think they might move on to another softer medium?

Posted by: wrathofasma at April 20, 2007 12:40 AM

Snopes also failed to mention that the Air Marshalls were instructed not to talk with Jacobsen and one who did was fired. The reason? They do not want the general public to know what is really going on with this. I listened to this lady tell her story. She reported that person after person began to come forward to talk to her privately about their fears as these dry runs were becoming more and more common. YEs, we must be vigilent.

Posted by: lightinshadows at April 20, 2007 12:41 AM

It really makes you wonder.....does our government want another 9/11?

Posted by: gaelen at April 19, 2007 12:07 PM

You bet they do! The next major catastrophe in the U.S. will officially herald the North American Union. You must understand that it's so much easier to control and maintain the security of three huge countries, USA, Mexico, and Canada, with a "common security perimeter" than it is to control our borders. They are anxiously awaiting the next 9-11, even predicting it. It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when, as our leaders have warned us. And it's a matter of when because they have refused to keep terrorist scum out of the USA. CAnada lets anyone in and is teeming with radical muslims, so I'll sure feel safer when they are able to "move freely" around the U.S. Seems like Dearborn would keep the feds busy enough, but commerce is more important than national security and sovereignty.

When Ted Kennedy duped his colleagues into voting for his hideous 1965 immigration fiasco, the muslim fifth column was the first to arrive and despite 9-11, muslim immigration is at an all-time high. "They" refers to our government at all levels but especially the internationalist State Department, DHS, Commerce Dept. and the White House. Congress is also complicit and if they thought they could get away with it, our borders would be entirely erased tomorrow.

But you'll have to excuse me, I'm just a racist, bigoted, xenophobe with a grudge against peace-loving muslims and invading hordes of illiterate Mexicans. These two groups share several commonalities, none of which are beneficial to America.

Posted by: Susanp at April 20, 2007 1:16 AM

"We have all been taught to just keep calm, don't antagonize your attacker, let the situation play itself out and wait for the big boys (government) to arrive and fix things."

That IS about what is being turned out today, I never really looked forward to being a nostalgic old poop, but, damn it, I wasn't raised that way and neither were my boys. If this isn't stopped our country is going to fall.

I have a feeling that this is going to cause bad things down the road. Bad, violent, and bloody things.

I hope the youth of today are prepared because it looks like they are going to have a choice between dhimmitude and total war. This is why I think we need to finish this now, I'm not very confident that the youtube generation will have the will to do it.

Looks like it might be nearing time to lock and load, folks. Trust no one, and stay vigilant at all times.

Posted by: Rowane at April 20, 2007 1:50 AM

Airlines should have "Muslim only" flights. Pilot and flight attendants would be Muslims, and normal security would be abandoned, allowing passengers to carry anything they want on the plane, providing hassle-free boarding.

Passengers can rely on Allah to get them safely to their destinations.

If anyone complains about the suspecious behavior of another passenger, call them a racist, and tell them to shut up and take their seat, or face prosecution for violating someone elses civil rights.

Posted by: rational at April 20, 2007 2:01 AM

Contrast the strange behavior of moslems on airplanes, ie. in *dangerous* circumstances witTHIS school boy prank:

http://www.boston.com/news/local/maine/articles/2007/04/19/police_investigate_ham_incident_at_school/?rss_id=Boston.com+--+Maine+news

We need a CIVIL RIGHTS investigation!!!

Those poor abused somalis!!

Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 20, 2007 2:22 AM

Near as I can tell there's scarcely a politician in power anywhere that does not see maintaining their own power as their primary mission. The things they get elected or appointed to do are strictly secondary issues.

What's worse, is that the US has by now a HUGE entrenched bureaucracy, far more populous than that small group of political operators vulnerable to the vote, that effectively forms a class of its own, with its own interest in ... acquiring and maintaining power.

(I recently read the shocking statistic that something on the order of 40% of the American public is somehow, directly or indirectly on the take from the gov't).

So no, protecting us is far from being their primary mission. They do it to the extent that they feel they have to to maintain their power.

We may indeed have instituted this gov't (or something sort of similar) some 200 odd years back to secure our rights. But that doesn't mean that the people who work there are necessarily concerned about that issue.

Besides, ultimately the gov't derives its guardian responsibility from our delegation of our inherent right to self defence.

Our right to self defence doesn't go into hibernation just because there's no cop around to act on it. In fact just the opposite, when there's no cop around it is our responsibility to act in our own self defence.

As Mr. Franklin told the lady, we've been bequeathed a republic if we can hold on to it.

This is a bottom up thing folks - always was, always will be and that's how it has to be and how it was meant to be. No other choices available!

It is precisely what the left despises us for, our "arrogant" "unilateralist" "cowboy" attitude -- or what used to be admired as rugged individualism, that will save us from the jihaddis. I.e. our own damn selves! No one else and nothing else will ever help.

And ultimately, that is what will get this namby pamby dumb ineffectual PC gov't turned around as well.

They are the way they are because they think, correctly, that they can get away with it. It's up to us to prove them wrong on that.

And finally, when you're a couple of miles up in the air, with no cop around, and someone is acting like they're about to kill you it's your move. Fight or die.

Posted by: joeblough at April 20, 2007 2:23 AM

Rational says "Airlines should have "Muslim only" flights. Pilot and flight attendants would be Muslims, and normal security would be abandoned, allowing passengers to carry anything they want on the plane, providing hassle-free boarding."

Its still no guarantee against a 911 style atrocity being carried out if 'sudden jihad syndrome' afflicts the pilot.

Remember that EgyptAir plane that was crashed into the sea a few years ago?

Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at April 20, 2007 7:24 AM

ameriki

By flying with your mentality, two steps in the process of survival have been eliminated and they are the most serious steps. You minimize the surprise element and you already have the ability, means and willingness to do something. We need more of you...I think.

Posted by: pismopal at April 20, 2007 3:01 PM

The ONLY answer to any of this is to get Islam outlawed on US soil ASAP! And there is actually a legal justification for this--Islam teaches first degree murder and other crimes under US statutes. Islamic doctrines often amount to conspiracy to commit multiple homicides (and often leading later to actual murders). Then there's a little thing in the US Constitution about "cruel and unusual punishment" (a description which Islamic beheadings,stonings, whippings et al fit perfectly). Islam therefore can be accurately seen as teaching criminal behavior under US law (which is sedition).

And such a 'religion' is practiced in the United States of America ?? Unbelievable! Simply unbelievable.

Both murder and conspiracy count as capital crimes under American laws. No one else here gets to commit such capital crimes. And neither should Muslims. Thus their 'religion' is teaching not only criminal behavior but also an apartheid system. "Separate but equal is inherently unequal." Well, whatever became of that?? Muslims get to make a sham of US laws under out very noses? Why????

I think we Americans CAN definitely get Islam outlawed and banished from our land for the above stated reasons. But only if we work very, very hard (and smart) at realizing this goal.

Let us all keep at it. Living without the threat of Islamic terrorismism is something worth fighting for. I fight for it every day of my life.

I think Americans really have an obligation to themselves and future generations to not merely fight Islam on US soil, but get it the hell out of America while we still have a nation to defend!

When Islam is gone from America, then and only then will such awful stories as the one reported by Annie Jacobsen fade intop memory as they rightly should.

ps-It's true I've been preaching here and I apologize for that as I realize that this may prove hard for many to stomach (with legitimate reason). But I am also trying to DO something beneficial concerning this dreadful story and the countless others like it involving Islam. Let's get this nightmare (Islam in America) over with! Call your politicians and tell them WHY Islam must be outlawed in the USA!

Posted by: pythagoras at April 20, 2007 3:06 PM

"The number for dial-a-prayer-hope-we-come is otherwise known as 9-1-1 in the US"

Well, as I live and learn. I'm on the East Coast - this is the first I've heard of it. TU.

Posted by: allat at April 20, 2007 10:37 PM

Former Philadelphia Mayor Frank Rizzo coined it in the 1980s.

It's ok, it's been a taboo term by the anti-self-defense crowd, aka, "gun control, inc"... so their politically correct allies in the press willfully comply with its censorship; It interferes with their unilateral disarmament campaign in progress since it calls a spade a spade, and that is strictly taboo to the 5th columnists.

Purge political correctness, and the rest will come easy.

Lan Astaslem!

Posted by: jcom972 at April 22, 2007 4:15 AM