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Posted by: exsgtbrown at April 20, 2007 8:19 AM

What an islamophobe, this A-Zahar!

Posted by: Abu Allah at April 20, 2007 8:46 AM

Wait...what website was this "discussion" on? What Quranic verses did he cite? Actually, the article and the title are completely contradictory. He said nothing about the Quran (Israel radio is really good at this...putting words in peoples' mouths, including Israelis'). This article sounds exactly like it was written by Spencer(although it wasn't, I know that I have to spell everything out for you, even sarcastic comments), take something somebody says, and then add words to make it sound like you want it to. Sorry Spencer, but before someone can actually have a flawed Quranic exegesis, they must actually HAVE an exegesis. Actually, if you read their manifesto, they believe that Jews and Muslims could live very peacefully side-by-side, albeit under a representative government not based upon the supremacy of Western European Jews (Middle Eastern and other forms of Jews are interestingly enough right next to Arab Muslims at the bottom of the Israeli chain, as reported by Israelis).

Just doing some thinking...
(Commence commenting on my tag...it means you don't have to read the comment!)

Posted by: An American at April 20, 2007 9:02 AM

If the Palestinians refuse to recognize Israel, then Oslo/Taba/RoadMap/[insert Israeli-Palestinian negotiation here] were all complete wastes of time and resources. If, as he claims, the Palestians cannot recognize the Jewish state, then there's point in Israel (or America) negotiating for a peace agreement.

Then again, the Palestinians could renounce the Koran.

Posted by: aunursa at April 20, 2007 11:04 AM

the article reports that he said this. why wouldn't he have said this?

am not sure that this low-level warfare can continue for another decade. national review's derb (what's the name, derbyshire?) has suggested that what will happen is a catastrophic terrorist attack on israel, followed by mass destruction conducted by the israelis -- the victims of these 100 years of jihad -- after which there would be 100 years of peace.

not a good scenario; and the 100 years of peace is unlikely. but imagine the deportation of the arab fifth column in israel, and the response in europe. horror! rage! and a few years later, calls for deporting the arab fifth column in europe.

Posted by: StillBreathing at April 20, 2007 11:07 AM

http://middleeastfacts.com/koran.php

Posted by: Kim Hartveld at April 20, 2007 11:20 AM

Robert, this one really nails it - what is wrong with the whole "middle east policy".

Everyone in Foggy Bottom and the congress and the exec should read and discuss this central truth until they either understand it or take a contrary position and keep persisting in proceeding with the same mantra of stupidities and actions.

Posted by: dgene at April 20, 2007 11:20 AM

Islam recognizes no "states" but only the grand Ummah.

(A Caliphate would be nice, but that shall come with time.)

Islam will not tolerate any infidels ruling, anywhere.

The Koran sanctions the domination of all infidels and either their conversion, submission or extermination.

There can be no "Jewish" state, as there can be no "non-Islamic states", ultimately.

Islam must dominate and not be dominated.

How much clearer do infidels need it to be?

Posted by: profitsbeard at April 20, 2007 11:21 AM

"Now is the time for all good Muslim moderates to step up and point out the Qur'an quotes that allow for Muslims to live peacefully side-by-side with Jews without extending Islamic rule over them"

.....I have been looking and must report I cannot find any Qur'an quotes that allow for Muslims to live peacefully side-by-side with Jews without extending Islamic rule over them.

...I do find some references indicating Islam must dominate....

such as:

Muslim (19:4294) - There are many places in the hadith where Muhammad tells his followers to demand the jizya of non-believers. Here he lays down the rule that it is to be extorted by force: "If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them".

Posted by: exsgtbrown at April 20, 2007 11:27 AM

Kim Hartveld:

That list of Qur'an verses regarding Israel is, unfortunately, incomplete, and consequently misleading. Because of passages such as Qur'an 2:61 and 9:30, mainstream Islam considers the Jews to be accursed, and since Muslims are the true Jews (Abraham was a Muslim -- Qur'an 3:67), the promises regarding Israel apply only to them.

Cordially
Robert Spencer

Posted by: jihadwatch at April 20, 2007 11:35 AM

'Let there not be 2 religions in the Arab peninsula'- didn't Mohammed say that on his deadbed? And for Arabs or Muslims Israel is still within the Arab peninsula.

I doubt very much that the Koran sura's from Kim Hartvelds link above are known to more than a few muslims, most live in ignorance and denial. indoctrination, bigottry and hatred are what drives Muhammedan madness, we are not dealing with rational people.

There are some, like this one here:
http://sheikyermami.com/2007/03/18/even-the-koran-affirms-jews-rights-to-jerusalem/

but that is rare as hens teeth, and I don't think the guy would last longer than a few hours in Ramallah.

Here is a particularly awful example of how Karin Laub from AP twists and turns facts into fiction in order to misinform from Pali-land:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070410/ap_on_re_mi_ea/palestinians_hamas__riddle_1

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at April 20, 2007 11:52 AM

"Wait...what website was this "discussion" on?..."

Posted by: An American

...I suspect the website was the Official Hamas website, which , if I am not mistaken, is a password secure one...meaning you cannot get in without an authorized password...my second guess would be the AL-Jezeera website.....or I suppose you could contact the Jeruselam Post who printed the article and make your inquires.......

...do you believe Mahmoud A-zahar did not say these things?...He certainly has not denied saying these things...

"Former PA foreign minister Mahmoud A-Zahar of Hamas said Friday that recognizing Israel contradicts the Koran, Israel Radio reported.

...I believe he did say it...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at April 20, 2007 11:58 AM

"recognizing Israel contradicts the Koran"
-from article

So? The freakin' KORAN contradicts the Koran. Which actually means that recognizing Israel is in ACCORDANCE with the Koran.

But only if you cherry-pick and take certain verses out of context, of course.

Posted by: Professor PyroSkank at April 20, 2007 12:03 PM

Ther ya go...it will never happen in a million years! The Quran should be banned!
How would your mind be if you thought like these people!? damn! Even as a child we played cowboys and Indians! Never would I think we would be living in the times of such barbarity! And elute to illfounded illogical thinking. It is illicit in our country! Deceit is their religion. So much deception! If the lefties do their homework! I learned what I have all within a year! It is alot to absorb and there is alot more! The first book I read was PIG of Islam and the Crusades. How could someone be so hateful? How can you walk this earth and think that alot of humans are pigs and monkey's?! Cut their heads off?! Burn the churches! Turn the Quran into what they need to do barbaric things! I want them to all leave and get pushed back to a little corner! They have no scholars to come forth and say what the Quran really means! Because they can't Ia-tolaya does that! He is so full of hate his vains almost burst! I think he'd have a heart attack by now! They are like out of a bad movie the Night of the Livng Dead! Blood thirst,can't talk to them!
PA Foreign Minister to do this now! Why didn't they say this back when Clinton had Arafat in the White House? They just stall and make up as they go along. They are such liers! I have never believed the Palestinians! They have never done once what they said they would do!! Palestine almost had over 90% and they refused then! What they want is Israel gone!!!!!!!!!!!They want to be God's choosen People! It will never happen! The end of the world will happen first! God is the Best on His Promise!

Posted by: MZ at April 20, 2007 12:15 PM

Qur'an = 1% peaceful, 99% violent

Posted by: champ at April 20, 2007 12:22 PM

All the way to Perez! What a loving man! So much blood and more chances and more blood and the Palestinians keep getting more and more and more. Even Hamas in government to represent them! Illogical does not compute! Bad behavior does pay off! It has taught us that here! They are shooting into Israel right now! We should hold their feet to the fire! Last straw and people quit giving money here for the Palestinians when they are ill willed!!!

Posted by: MZ at April 20, 2007 12:27 PM

That 1% is the first page it is blank.

Posted by: MZ at April 20, 2007 12:31 PM

The Koran is a psycheldic book it seems. I am waiting for the time that toilet paper is declared infidel as infidels created it.

These Muslims make things up to fit any square hole they manufacture.

Posted by: Lame Cherry at April 20, 2007 12:46 PM

"Qur'an is a psychedelic book"

No kidding! Lets add: manual for murder/lusts gone wild//hate manifesto/comic book/recipe for disaster.

What did I leave out?

Posted by: champ at April 20, 2007 12:52 PM

"Former PA foreign minister Mahmoud A-Zahar of Hamas said Friday that recognizing Israel contradicts the Koran, Israel Radio reported."

Hell, guys, even the Koran contradicts the Koran.
What don't contradict it?

Posted by: TheOmegaMan at April 20, 2007 1:43 PM

how can the koran make any sense when it was made by a child rapist, thief and killer of innocents. muhummad the false prophet got his lines when in a cave, excactly where OBL and his 2nd in command are in caves. no more money to any muslims in any country, let their rich oil brothers feed and clothe them.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at April 20, 2007 2:22 PM

"Qur'an forbids recognizing Israel"

I FORBID recognizing the Qur'an!

The book should be banned given the deadly/destructive impact it's having on our world.

Posted by: champ at April 20, 2007 5:35 PM

I like reading the posts by "An American". They seem to be a good example of what Robert means when he complains about critics launching ad-hominem attecks on him and really not refuting the substance of his arguments.

Posted by: jewdog at April 20, 2007 5:38 PM

Here is a banquran petition site:

http://www.petitiononline.com/banquran/petition.html

Posted by: MusHuntCowboy at April 20, 2007 6:51 PM

KOOL-AID ALERT!
lol

Since when does a book, written 1,000 years ago (it sure as hell wasn't written even close to the timeframe ubu'l kassim, aka "muhammed", did) say it forbids recognition of a nation that was not in existence at the time???

After thousands of propaganda sound bites by such militant nutcases, this one is by far, outrageously over the top on kook-fringedom.

Does he realize what a total lying hypocrite of the Nth degree he just made of himself?

Absolutely classic! LOL

Posted by: jcom972 at April 20, 2007 8:47 PM